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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 26 2012 10:14 GMT
#241
If anything you would think Kespa would be paying EG to participate, not the other way around. They want the foreign viewers, why else would they do something like this?

I don't see how EG gains much from this, I guess they get some exposure in the KR market but is that market even important to them anyway?

Paying a lot to participate, limiting their players in the events they can go to because of the long season. That doesn't make sense to me.
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
November 26 2012 10:17 GMT
#242
Did you really have to pay to participate in Proleague? That sounds kind of ridiculous, but given the monopoly kespa had, they could pull it off. But now, with so many leagues and much less affluent teams, it doesn´t make sense at all. No one would pay that even if Proleague was the greatest league ever to grace SC2. Times have changed, kespa has no monopoly on SC anymore and their league is leagues (haha) behind Gom´s in production and viewership. I mean, what do they have to offer for that kind of money?
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2726 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-26 10:43:09
November 26 2012 10:41 GMT
#243
Guys, It is not "paying". It is a "fiancé". They give you back the money after the tournament ends.

It is logical, If the team that participate leaves the tournament in the first month, the next 2 o 3 months of proleague are screwed. So a fiance that force the team to continue all season is logical.
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
November 26 2012 12:14 GMT
#244
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bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-26 12:57:02
November 26 2012 12:53 GMT
#245
On November 26 2012 19:17 Daswollvieh wrote:
Did you really have to pay to participate in Proleague? That sounds kind of ridiculous, but given the monopoly kespa had, they could pull it off. But now, with so many leagues and much less affluent teams, it doesn´t make sense at all. No one would pay that even if Proleague was the greatest league ever to grace SC2. Times have changed, kespa has no monopoly on SC anymore and their league is leagues (haha) behind Gom´s in production and viewership. I mean, what do they have to offer for that kind of money?

Good LoL transition :D

If Korea will take LoL as seriously as they took BW, they may become a powerhouse, so EG making a mark in Korea Proleague and working among team-monsters (Entus, RolSKTers etc. + OGN) is maybe a first step?

The thing is Korea is a funny place right now, from theory side.

Starcraft became a "global" esport, which means Finals are in either US or in China, yet there is only 1 good training facility : Korea.

Honestly i doubt that Kespa holders will put up much longer with how terribly advertised they will become if SC2 interests stay as it is after HotS release, but for team like EG its killing 2 birds with 1 stone. Their LoL team and brand can get advertised in Korea "who is becoming the place to be in" and their SC2 team after training in Korea which will become the backbone of their "Global" interest.

Maybe its all bullshit. Dont read that much into it.
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Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
November 26 2012 13:00 GMT
#246
Foreign team doesn't have to be EG, may very well be some Chinese team (they have some of them in LoL league) or maybe Taiwanese, Australian....
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ZerglingTwins
Profile Joined October 2012
United States850 Posts
November 26 2012 13:53 GMT
#247
Clearly, they already got a team to participate, and also sponsors for proleague. Why do they have to keep it a secret? It is now only 2 weeks from the starting time. It is only logical to announce the foreign team early, then you can hype around that fact through ads to increase viewership.
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heaveshade
Profile Joined March 2011
China330 Posts
November 26 2012 13:59 GMT
#248
I don't think any Chinese team could be the choice.


Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
November 26 2012 14:00 GMT
#249
On November 26 2012 22:53 ZerglingTwins wrote:
Clearly, they already got a team to participate, and also sponsors for proleague. Why do they have to keep it a secret? It is now only 2 weeks from the starting time. It is only logical to announce the foreign team early, then you can hype around that fact through ads to increase viewership.


Well that would imply them actually giving a damn, which they obviously don't ;_;
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
November 26 2012 14:14 GMT
#250
On November 26 2012 22:59 heaveshade wrote:
I don't think any Chinese team could be the choice.


It would make sense if you wanted a replacement for ACE´s role in proleague...
KvltMan
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Sweden1609 Posts
November 26 2012 14:15 GMT
#251
On November 26 2012 23:14 Daswollvieh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 22:59 heaveshade wrote:
I don't think any Chinese team could be the choice.


It would make sense if you wanted a replacement for ACE´s role in proleague...

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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 26 2012 14:17 GMT
#252
On November 26 2012 23:14 Daswollvieh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 22:59 heaveshade wrote:
I don't think any Chinese team could be the choice.


It would make sense if you wanted a replacement for ACE´s role in proleague...


Whoever takes over for ACE has to beat KT every time though. We gotta keep the tradition going.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
November 26 2012 14:31 GMT
#253
On November 26 2012 21:14 ne4aJIb wrote:
Rox.Kis ))))

Haha, that'd be amazing but I'm not sure whether any of the KeSPA guys even know they exist.
Fueled
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1610 Posts
November 26 2012 14:35 GMT
#254
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ThePlayer33
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia2378 Posts
November 26 2012 14:44 GMT
#255
On November 26 2012 19:14 Dodgin wrote:
If anything you would think Kespa would be paying EG to participate, not the other way around. They want the foreign viewers, why else would they do something like this?

I don't see how EG gains much from this, I guess they get some exposure in the KR market but is that market even important to them anyway?

Paying a lot to participate, limiting their players in the events they can go to because of the long season. That doesn't make sense to me.


this, no one has yet convincingly showed why stephano/idra/thorzain etc would play in proleague at all.

currently i only see huk/puma/jyp willing to play
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StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-26 15:39:27
November 26 2012 15:39 GMT
#256
On November 26 2012 23:44 ThePlayer33 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 19:14 Dodgin wrote:
If anything you would think Kespa would be paying EG to participate, not the other way around. They want the foreign viewers, why else would they do something like this?

I don't see how EG gains much from this, I guess they get some exposure in the KR market but is that market even important to them anyway?

Paying a lot to participate, limiting their players in the events they can go to because of the long season. That doesn't make sense to me.


this, no one has yet convincingly showed why stephano/idra/thorzain etc would play in proleague at all.

currently i only see huk/puma/jyp willing to play

Well, I don't really see the benefit for EG either, but I think if they decide to commit to playing in Proleague, they should fully commit and focus all their power on it. If TL in GSTL has shown one thing, it's that a foreign team in a Korean team league completely fails if you do it half-assed.

If EG sends a mediocre lineup with no depth where every player sent is not even remotely a surprise but obvious because they don't have anyone else, they'll fail horribly and get laughed at and ridiculed to no end here and anywhere else, especially since a lot of people are happy to cheer at EG's losses and with the whole curse storyline.

It's even worse in Proleague format since JYP can't get more than one win and EG is kinda reliant on JYP and because there'd be few of the popular EG players who would make people want to follow the matches of their idols. If EG plays JYP/Puma/whoever and maybe Byul if there was some truth to the rumours, it'd be no different to FNATIC playing in GSTL now, you recognize the team name, but a lot of the foreign audience doesn't particularly identify with the players on it.

In my opinion, the only way to make something useful for EG out of this is if they go full force, bring a lot of players, bring some video people, follow the players around and document the whole process of EG being and living in Korea and the first foreign team ever to play in Proleague to keep the community and sponsors happy and informed about all the crap they do without as much tournament exposure as they usually get.

I don't think it'd benefit EG, the cost would probably outweigh the benefits by a lot, but since they try to sell themselves as pioneers and the number one team out there, they might want to go for a stint in Proleague just because.
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2972 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-26 16:01:10
November 26 2012 15:45 GMT
#257
I would like EG to do it, but I think it would be too much of a task. How many people can they have actively stay in Korea for this season of proleague anyway?

JYP, Puma, possibly Huk. Then at least a few others rotating in and out, Stephano, Thorzain, Idra, I figure might be receptive to returning to Korea. Then you have others like DeMuslim, Suppy, LzGamer, and Machine. Maybe Incontrol would take the figure as sort of the coach/manager just to be seen on TV for EG if they were the team to be there.

I do hope EG get to do it and get the coveted 8th team spot in SPL. But honestly I don't think they would get far. Unless they really buckled down and embraced some hardcore Korean training and made a massive effort of it to take the title, even then, no guarantee they would succeed or even do decent in SPL.
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m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
November 26 2012 15:51 GMT
#258
I hope they go for something like what Starve suggested, I would watch the 'EG goes Korea'-reality show! ^^

Foreign players in Proleague would no doubt spark more interest for the Proleague. For us non-BW types it's not quite clear why we should care about it. If EG wants a permanent Korean presence (and I hope they do, the team that pays the best salaries and gives the foreign players something to work towards should also provide their players with the best practice-environment) this would be a pretty great way to do it.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
November 26 2012 15:59 GMT
#259
On November 27 2012 00:45 yoshi245 wrote:
Most likely FXO will fill the spot as the team to replace Airforce ACE if I were to guess.


In the OP, FXOBoSs says it's not FXO. So it's probably not FXO.
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yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2972 Posts
November 26 2012 16:00 GMT
#260
On November 27 2012 00:59 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 00:45 yoshi245 wrote:
Most likely FXO will fill the spot as the team to replace Airforce ACE if I were to guess.


In the OP, FXOBoSs says it's not FXO. So it's probably not FXO.


Yeah, I refreshed the page and missed that. But I really wish it was FXO, out of the 3 suggested teams, I think they have the most viability and strength to do well in proleague.
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