UPDATES on 27 November. Ok. Some new updates, but not able to translate the full thing since it's originally from fomos (Edit: Not that I translate straight from fomos anyway I guess haha. I go by what the Chinese translation says.). There'll be a press conference on 4 December about the new season of Proleague.
- According to reports, it's confirmed that there will be a foreign team, to be official revealed at the conference - SK Planet will be sponsoring one more year - SPL to have English broadcasts - New season to revert to a 1 year schedule, with 6 rounds, 4 matchdays and 8 matches a week - 2nd round and 5th round to be SWL played with a KOF format - Regular season to be Bo7, with an Ace - Format reverted to that of a pre-announced team style, instead of revealing the team on the spot
On November 25 2012 19:10 FXOBoSs wrote: Its not FXO, and fnatic doesnt have enough players.. so I wonder who it must be.... *rolls eyes*
TLDR Version: - Proleague starts 8 December, no Airforce Ace, rumour that a foreign team will be the replacement, foreign team rumoured to be possibly FXO, Fnatic, or EG - Probably same schedule as previous season - Introduction of new broadcaster SPOTV. OGN to take weekend matches, SPOTV to take weekday matches
SPL Proleague, the team league organised by Kespa, is preparing to usher in a new season.
From its creation in 2003, Proleague is about to go into its tenth year on this journey. The new season of Proleague will completely switch over from Starcraft 1 to Starcraft 2. The version of the game used will still be Wings of Liberty, and when Heart of the Swarm is released in March, changes to the game version used will be decided based on the situation then. Because it is an expansion to the same game, the change should not have too much of an effect on the league.
Regarding the Participating Teams The new season has basically been confirmed to be starting on 8 December, and at the moment, it is estimated that the Kespa teams have all already started on their preparations for this upcoming season. Previously, it had already been confirmed by many parties that Airforce Ace will not be taking part in the upcoming season, and the chances of a foreign team replacing it and taking part in the league is quite high.
Airforce Ace had already announced in the previous season that they won't be taking in new members. Due to the way it is linked to the military, the members of the team are chosen from the players from each team who voluntarily serve in the army and applied for the Airforce. Even though the team is usually able to snipe some strong teams, they are unable to escape the fate of sitting at the bottom at the end of each season.
Airforce Ace has already expressed that they will not be taking part in Proleague anymore, and as a result, the number of teams in the league has been reduced to 7, and this has severely affected the scheduling of the league. As a result, Kespa has been trying to invite a famous foreign team to fill the gap, and according to a reliable source, a lot of progress has already been made regarding this matter.
As of now, there is no confirmation about which foreign team it is. A fee has to be paid in order to take part in SPL, and there is only a small handful of big teams which would be able to pay that fee. Therefore, it is probably safe to say that the possibilities of which team it could be can be reduced to just a few. At the moment, most of the attention in the discussion amongst the fans is focused on teams like EG, Fnatic, and FXO - Teams with good financial backing, teams with enough players, teams which probably do not have any hindrances should they choose to take part in Proleague.
The rest of the teams taking part are SKT, Eighth Team, CJ, Samsung, Woongjin, STX, and KT.
Regarding the Schedule of the Tournament The schedule of the new season of Proleague has been a matter of interest to many. In the previous season, there were 4 days of games each week - Saturday, Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday. There is a good chance that the new season will continue on the pattern of having 4 days of games each week.
But there are many practical problems which have to be considered as well. OGN, the cable TV channel which independently produced and broadcasted the league in the previous season, also has to broadcast the LoL league this season. Because of that, they are unable to find enough time for the broadcast. As a result, a new IPTV channel called SPOTV has announced that it will also independently produce and broadcast the Proleague tournament. The games played over the weekend will still be broadcasted by OGN, but the games on the 2 weekday match days will be passed on to be broadcasted by SPOTV.
OGN has already updated their December timetable, and from the table, it seems like there will be live HD broadcasts of Proleague on the Saturdays and Sundays of December.
Regarding the Tournament Location The new tournament season will be broadcasted by both OGN and SPOTV. As the creator of Proleague, OGN has tons of experience in organising and broadcasting tournaments, and this season shouldn't pose any problems for them. On the other hand, as a newer channel, SPOTV does not have any experience in organising and broadcasting tournaments. Even though they did do the broadcast of the MvP Invitational, that was afterall a purely online tournament, and the scale of production cannot be compared to that of Proleague.
The introduction of SPOTV for the broadcasting also implies that there will be a new place for the games to take place. Within Seoul, the places which have held eSports tournaments include COEX mall (WCG Korea Preliminaries, Finals of previous SPL season) and the Shin-Do-Rim TechnoMart Intel eStadium (GSL Preliminaries). Both are potential locations which could possibly be used for the tournament.
What is SPOTV SPOTV is a Korean IPTV channel, and mainly broadcasts sporting tournaments. The previous broadcasting of the MvP Invitiational that they did was their first foray into the eSports scene. At that time, they even found two casters from Gomtv to help them out.
The company that SPOTV belongs to is actually under the flag of IEG. In the year 2007, IEG was once responsible for the sales of the broadcasting rights of SPL. They also created team eSTRO (Which gave us players like Action, Flying, hyvaa, killer, and even Parting supposedly was once a trainee there), and joined Kespa. Even now, IEG is still helping to manage the broadcasting rights of Proleague, and plays an important role in the partnership of Kespa and MLG.
ThisIsGame article about how SPL needs to consider the foreign Starcraft 2 scene to progress
When the new season of Proleague was revealed to be starting on the 8th of next month, another very meaningful piece of information was heard. This information is that there is a high possibility of a foreign team taking part in the tournament. If this rumour proves to be true, this will be a really major occasion in the history of Proleague.
As everyone probably already knows, the new season of Proleague will officially switch to Starcraft 2, and there are many more Starcraft 2 fans outside of Korea than in Korea. If they manage to get a foreign team to take part in the tournament, it'll be able to attract attention from around the world. This point can be seen from the attention that the GSL games with foreigners playing in them get.
Actually, foreign teams taking part in a Korean league is not a really new issue. In the GSTL organised by GomTV, we have foreign teams like TL, FXO, and Fnatic taking part. But to have a foreign team appear in the Kespa organised Proleague is actually something that is new and refreshing.
One thing that is different between Kespa and GSL is that the Kespa teams are anchored on major corporations, and it's not just a simple and innocent sponsorship style of working. This causes many practical problems to arise.
Due to the economic downturn, many major corporations have taken out their investments one by one, and the teams under Kespa that are owned by corporations has been reduced to only 6. Also, Team 8, which is made up of the top players from 3 disbanded teams, still hasn't been able to find an owner, and this causes fans to feel unsettled. Under such circumstances, Kespa can only start looking for foreign teams to take part. The way this is going, it really makes people look forward to Proleague becoming an open league like GSTL.
Up to now, in Starcraft 2, only Korea has a professional team league. The Korean side also realises that they cannot just purely do stuff within themselves, and further and better development for the leagues can only be achieved by developing the foreign market. Regarding this point, Proleague is still very much lacking when compared to GSL and GSTL. As such, this move to invite a foreign team is an amazing one which can help to make up for this particular shortcoming.
Even though we can't be certain for now which team it is that will take part, but from reliable sources from various parties, FXO and Fnatic, which already have a foot in Korea, have the support of many fans. Also, there is still the possibility that a big team like EG would set up in Korea and take part in Proleague and step into the Korean market using the opportunity.
This reporter personally thinks that the introduction of EG would be really attractive. EG already has the experience of playing in Korea through the partnership with Slayers. and they also recruited former Fnatic manager Hwanni. Furthermore, there are many popular foreign players which the Korean fans know about under the EG flag, such as Stephano, and also Korean players such as JYP and Puma.
This reporter has been to almost all the major tournaments after the release of Wings of Liberty for the purpose of doing interviews. He/she doesn't just follow foreign teams closely, but also knows quite a bit of information and has personal networks.
We understand that if the Starcraft 2 leagues were to have good development, the reactions of foreign fans is very important. We think that Proleague really needs to shake off its rigid format, and go through some changes. Therefore, if a foreign team really were to appear on the 8th of December at Proleage, that will be a really exciting and exhilarating news.
Ugh, OGN cutting Proleague televised days down to 2 in favor of LoL. Good to see a foreign team competing in Proleague though, I'd imagine either TL, EG, or Fnatic. The article suggests FXO but I believe they're part of the eSF so I doubt it's them.
OGN, as much as I fucking love you guys please convince the rest of the board memebers at KeSPA to work with GOM and the eSF teams, I mean I love Foreign teams to be in proleague but seriously just work with gom
How many players is EG fielding in Korea right now? In the past, I feel like they haven't been too big on having their foreign superstars staying overseas.
Fnatic doesn't seem to have a big enough roster to me.
FXO it is then, by all indications. Unless Nazgul can pull off something crazy.
On November 25 2012 17:07 Kiyo. wrote: Ugh, OGN cutting Proleague televised days down to 2 in favor of LoL. Good to see a foreign team competing in Proleague though, I'd imagine either TL, EG, or Fnatic. The article suggests FXO but I believe they're part of the eSF so I doubt it's them.
Its all according to OGN's plan.
should SC2 not gain success they can dump the game on GOM and SPOTV and switch to LoL full time
On November 25 2012 17:07 Kiyo. wrote: Ugh, OGN cutting Proleague televised days down to 2 in favor of LoL. Good to see a foreign team competing in Proleague though, I'd imagine either TL, EG, or Fnatic. The article suggests FXO but I believe they're part of the eSF so I doubt it's them.
To be fair, the Hybrid Proleague got pretty abysmal attendance on weekdays while LoL still draws in a lot of numbers. The weekend games sometimes got decent attendance, however.
My heart hopes that EG and Fnatic form an ultimate partnership and smash their way through the Proleague. Bisu crushes Idra and causes entire rabid fanbases to clash in epic internet forum warfare.
Finally , it seems like it has been an entire year without Proleague . While i would rather have GOM and OGN working together on Proleague a new channel joining in can't be bad .
Jeez, just hurry up and fucking merge already, KeSPA. It makes too much sense not to just fuse GSTL/Proleague in 2013.
Only can do weekends on OGN? Hey, the other two nights can be on GOM. Only have seven teams? GSTL has enough to make it an actual Proleague and not a dwindling amount of teams every single season.
Proleague is not going to do anything but continue to dissolve until ESF/KeSPA come together and make a real Proleague. I'm not saying LG-IM vs. KT is going to start the new SC2 boom period in Korea, but it would be a good start. Sadly, with talks of fees and ESF teams other than FXO, LG-IM and possibly Startale with enough money to pay it, we'll probably never see KeSPA letting minnows like HoSeo play on OGN.
So, how about that english stream? :D Something that OGN has been promising us ever since the inception of the hybrid proleague has yet come into fruition. Hopefully this gets sorts out, but with doa the only caster working for OGN in korea, this seems highly unlikely. I do find it interesting that despite having a foreign team in their league, OGN still cannot create an English/Foreign stream. It also seems that many people around OGN and in Korea think that developing a foreign audience and involvement is crucial, but still no stream. -_-
If there really is no stream, it's not all that bad, we can always just watch Sayle get trolled about sounding like orb, or any other shenanigans that are bound to occur. Hopefully Sayle can take us on another magical ride and cast proleague.
Shoutout to oooooophidian as well, he always has a very good livestream for proleague as well.
On November 25 2012 17:38 Fionn wrote: Jeez, just hurry up and fucking merge already, KeSPA. It makes too much sense not to just fuse GSTL/Proleague in 2013.
Only can do weekends on OGN? Hey, the other two nights can be on GOM. Only have seven teams? GSTL has enough to make it an actual Proleague and not a dwindling amount of teams every single season.
Proleague is not going to do anything but continue to dissolve until ESF/KeSPA come together and make a real Proleague. I'm not saying LG-IM vs. KT is going to start the new SC2 boom period in Korea, but it would be a good start. Sadly, with talks of fees and ESF teams other than FXO, LG-IM and possibly Startale with enough money to pay it, we'll probably never see KeSPA letting minnows like HoSeo play on OGN.
I'm mostly in agreement with this. GOM even said that they'd love to have a combined team league.
I honestly think KeSPA just doesn't care, and is more than happy to toss SC2 and go full LoL (and other games). It makes sense.
It must be FXO, the foreign funded Korean team - KeSPA may want a long-term partner, of which EG/Fnatic will not meet. They might just play 1,2 seasons and take off like every foreign team in Korea before. FXO satisfies this requirement (and of course that fee payment) - KeSPA may want a really strong team. FXO >>>>> [insert foreign team]. They are actually GSTL reigning champ.
Whats left is how they resolving the situation with eSF. Otherwise, I really dont want to see EG/Fnatic competing for the sake of Proleague's quality & prestige.
On November 25 2012 18:02 OnFiRe888 wrote: So, how about that english stream? :D Something that OGN has been promising us ever since the inception of the hybrid proleague has yet come into fruition. Hopefully this gets sorts out, but with doa the only caster working for OGN in korea, this seems highly unlikely. I do find it interesting that despite having a foreign team in their league, OGN still cannot create an English/Foreign stream. It also seems that many people around OGN and in Korea think that developing a foreign audience and involvement is crucial, but still no stream. -_-
If there really is no stream, it's not all that bad, we can always just watch Sayle get trolled about sounding like orb, or any other shenanigans that are bound to occur. Hopefully Sayle can take us on another magical ride and cast proleague.
Shoutout to oooooophidian as well, he always has a very good livestream for proleague as well.
On November 25 2012 18:02 OnFiRe888 wrote: So, how about that english stream? :D Something that OGN has been promising us ever since the inception of the hybrid proleague has yet come into fruition. Hopefully this gets sorts out, but with doa the only caster working for OGN in korea, this seems highly unlikely. I do find it interesting that despite having a foreign team in their league, OGN still cannot create an English/Foreign stream. It also seems that many people around OGN and in Korea think that developing a foreign audience and involvement is crucial, but still no stream. -_-
If there really is no stream, it's not all that bad, we can always just watch Sayle get trolled about sounding like orb, or any other shenanigans that are bound to occur. Hopefully Sayle can take us on another magical ride and cast proleague.
Shoutout to oooooophidian as well, he always has a very good livestream for proleague as well.
you mean DOA and montecristo, they're casting..
Is it confirmed that montecristo and doa will be casting SPL? Or just speculation?
On November 25 2012 19:10 FXOBoSs wrote: Its not FXO, and fnatic doesnt have enough players.. so I wonder who it must be.... *rolls eyes*
Well that kind of narrows it down. EG, really? Over FXO? Was this your decision?
The article only states 3 names. Today (this isn't a final decision) ESF teams won't be in proleague, ESF will talk about it with the public eventually. But as far as I know, we were never offered to be in proleague. If we had been offered, of course I would play in it. Its proleague. To think I would make a decision not to play in proleague isn't very nice.
only 2 days a week on television? i wonder what that does to the players moral... i miss the days when we had 14 teams in pl too... this is like when a country is in recession and devalues its own currency to make it easier to export stuff. still, it would be cool to see a foreign team get smashed in pl.
On November 25 2012 19:34 udgnim wrote: Acer signs MMA and Cella and they have Nerchio and Scarlett
that's 3 Zergs
no idea if they have other players on their team, but they can sign someone to fill up 5 roster spots
3 Zerg team comp too strong
Surely you troll right?
That or you have absolutely no clue about the foreign scene. Acer.Bly has been crushing online tournaments for a looooooong time now and took 2nd at DreamHack Bucharest. And then there's ParanOid and DarkHydra who could possibly pull an unexpected win or two if need be. So Acer's looking pretty good... but I really really doubt it's them.
So which players does EG have in Korea? I mean, if they'd move their team house (and all the non-Korean players) to Korea, then they'd have enough, but I kinda don't see that happening.
On November 25 2012 19:34 udgnim wrote: Acer signs MMA and Cella and they have Nerchio and Scarlett
that's 3 Zergs
no idea if they have other players on their team, but they can sign someone to fill up 5 roster spots
3 Zerg team comp too strong
Surely you troll right?
That or you have absolutely no clue about the foreign scene. Acer.Bly has been crushing online tournaments for a looooooong time now and took 2nd at DreamHack Bucharest. And then there's ParanOid and DarkHydra who could possibly pull an unexpected win or two if need be. So Acer's looking pretty good... but I really really doubt it's them.
Well, I doubt Nerchio and Scarlett would move to Korea for the 3-4 months needed for a Proleague season.
They have Byul (probably) , JYP, Puma, HuK and Thorzain will go to Korea soon (after or during IPL5 I think). Plus Hwanni the manager/coach/badass/whatever he is.
On November 25 2012 17:38 Fionn wrote: Jeez, just hurry up and fucking merge already, KeSPA. It makes too much sense not to just fuse GSTL/Proleague in 2013.
Only can do weekends on OGN? Hey, the other two nights can be on GOM. Only have seven teams? GSTL has enough to make it an actual Proleague and not a dwindling amount of teams every single season.
Proleague is not going to do anything but continue to dissolve until ESF/KeSPA come together and make a real Proleague. I'm not saying LG-IM vs. KT is going to start the new SC2 boom period in Korea, but it would be a good start. Sadly, with talks of fees and ESF teams other than FXO, LG-IM and possibly Startale with enough money to pay it, we'll probably never see KeSPA letting minnows like HoSeo play on OGN.
The lack of stability of eSF teams is worrisome and could also be one of the reasons when KeSPA does not want to include them. When you're trying to run a full-league style tournament like pro-league. Especially because pro-league has multiples rounds in one season.
Although I definitely think more stable teams like LG-IM, ST, FXO should definitely be included, there could also be an issue that LG-IM, ST, FXO don't want to "betray" the other eSF teams and go into pro league by themselves.
I wonder who the foreign team is though with TLO leaving Korea TL is down to HerO, TaeJa, and Zenio. EG currently has Huk, PuMa, and JYP but I guess they could potentially send more players (IdrA, Stephano, etc.) over relatively easily. The PL scheduling has to be a nightmare for eSF teams and Foreign teams alike though if their players are trying to attend foreign events. Maybe a foreign union team TL+EG? That could work? I don't think FXO can be considered a foreign team considering they're a part of eSF and we're talking about the Korean roster.
I don't think EG will ever have 6 players (the minimum for SPL) in Korea, unless they merge with Fnatic. So a foreign team as the 8th participant seems highly unlikely.
A foreign team shouldn't join Proleague just for the hell of it. They should only join if they think they have what it takes to have a respectable season.
Also having only 6 players is a terrible idea for Proleague, because it makes everyone so much easier to snipe given map orders.
Sigh, I really home Kespa and eSF join forces one day
On November 25 2012 19:58 quannguyen wrote: I don't think EG will ever have 6 players (the minimum for SPL) in Korea, unless they merge with Fnatic. So a foreign team as the 8th participant seems highly unlikely.
Byul, Puma, Huk, JYP, Thorzain, and Stephano would make 6. Plus they may have others they may be getting.
On November 25 2012 20:02 lichter wrote: A foreign team shouldn't join Proleague just for the hell of it. They should only join if they think they have what it takes to have a respectable season.
Well, considering they're replacing Air Force Ace.........
Haha just kidding. Probably won't reflect very nicely on the foreign scene if that really happens.
Given the recent showmatch between STX vs SKT, I think that Guillotine, transistor and desert flower will be in the map pool. I don't know for the other maps.
It's gotta be Fnatic. They're already made up of many Koreans based in Korea and their presence in the GSTL is almost superficial. Playing in SPL would at least give them regular exposure and playing time, as opposed to the GSTL where they play a few matches and then get knocked out.
On November 25 2012 20:32 red4ce wrote: It's gotta be Fnatic. They're already made up of many Koreans based in Korea and their presence in the GSTL is almost superficial. Playing in SPL would at least give them regular exposure and playing time, as opposed to the GSTL where they play a few matches and then get knocked out.
On November 25 2012 20:32 red4ce wrote: It's gotta be Fnatic. They're already made up of many Koreans based in Korea and their presence in the GSTL is almost superficial. Playing in SPL would at least give them regular exposure and playing time, as opposed to the GSTL where they play a few matches and then get knocked out.
On November 25 2012 19:58 quannguyen wrote: I don't think EG will ever have 6 players (the minimum for SPL) in Korea, unless they merge with Fnatic. So a foreign team as the 8th participant seems highly unlikely.
Byul, Puma, Huk, JYP, Thorzain, and Stephano would make 6. Plus they may have others they may be getting.
Is Byul already acquired by EG? O.O. I didn't see any news about that.
This is terrible news. fucking idiots on both sides of ESF and Kespa... why not make it a good 12+ team League with both sides? That would have been what SC2 needed in Korea and internationally.
On November 25 2012 19:51 PixelNite wrote: They have Byul (probably) , JYP, Puma, HuK and Thorzain will go to Korea soon (after or during IPL5 I think). Plus Hwanni the manager/coach/badass/whatever he is.
that team is very weak imo. it's more likely to be FXO
On November 25 2012 19:51 PixelNite wrote: They have Byul (probably) , JYP, Puma, HuK and Thorzain will go to Korea soon (after or during IPL5 I think). Plus Hwanni the manager/coach/badass/whatever he is.
that team is very weak imo. it's more likely to be FXO
but Boss already confirmed that it wouldn't be FXO.
On November 25 2012 19:10 FXOBoSs wrote: Its not FXO, and fnatic doesnt have enough players.. so I wonder who it must be.... *rolls eyes*
On November 25 2012 19:58 quannguyen wrote: I don't think EG will ever have 6 players (the minimum for SPL) in Korea, unless they merge with Fnatic. So a foreign team as the 8th participant seems highly unlikely.
Byul, Puma, Huk, JYP, Thorzain, and Stephano would make 6. Plus they may have others they may be getting.
Is Byul already acquired by EG? O.O. I didn't see any news about that.
In the list of players that were playing the next day in the gsl, byul was listed as EG_Byul_RC
No confirmation since then, but it's not really likely gom would do a weird mistake like that if it wasnt true
EG surely... some of the lesser players will probably benefit from playing in Korea for a season as well! Just the fact it will limit them playing in foreign tournaments..
On November 25 2012 17:07 Kiyo. wrote: Ugh, OGN cutting Proleague televised days down to 2 in favor of LoL. Good to see a foreign team competing in Proleague though, I'd imagine either TL, EG, or Fnatic. The article suggests FXO but I believe they're part of the eSF so I doubt it's them.
Its very likely EG. Demuslim said on his stream the other day that he was going to Korea before too long, but that he couldn't say much else. Incontrol also said that EG has some big announcements coming up.
no one in korea cares about that PL nor the game anymore....it wouldnt be a surprise for me if this will be one of the last few proleague seasons at all for sc..
On November 25 2012 17:07 Kiyo. wrote: Ugh, OGN cutting Proleague televised days down to 2 in favor of LoL. Good to see a foreign team competing in Proleague though, I'd imagine either TL, EG, or Fnatic. The article suggests FXO but I believe they're part of the eSF so I doubt it's them.
LoL is helping ESPORTS!!!!!!111
EG...
Puma Stephano Thorzain JYP Demuslim Idra
Poor guys...
TL
Hero Taeja Zenio TLO Sea Ret
more likely. Still has severe weakpoints.
TL-EG
Hero Taeja Zenio Puma JYP Sea
makes sense.
It is not like proleague teams have a really solid lineup top to bottom either. Remember, this is SC2
CJ - Bbyong, Effort, hero[join] KT - Flash Khan - Roro, Jangbi, Reality SKT T1 - Rain, SoO, Fantasy STX - Bogus, Last, mini, Trap, hyvaa (probably most 'solid' lineup) Woongjin - Soulkey, Shy, Flying Team 8 - JD, Baby
On November 25 2012 17:07 Kiyo. wrote: Ugh, OGN cutting Proleague televised days down to 2 in favor of LoL. Good to see a foreign team competing in Proleague though, I'd imagine either TL, EG, or Fnatic. The article suggests FXO but I believe they're part of the eSF so I doubt it's them.
LoL is helping ESPORTS!!!!!!111
EG...
Puma Stephano Thorzain JYP Demuslim Idra
Poor guys...
TL
Hero Taeja Zenio TLO Sea Ret
more likely. Still has severe weakpoints.
TL-EG
Hero Taeja Zenio Puma JYP Sea
makes sense.
It is not like proleague teams have a really solid lineup top to bottom either. Remember, this is SC2
CJ - Bbyong, Effort, hero[join] KT - Flash Khan - Roro, Jangbi, Reality SKT T1 - Rain, SoO, Fantasy STX - Bogus, Last, mini, Trap, hyvaa (probably most 'solid' lineup) Woongjin - Soulkey, Shy, Flying Team 8 - JD, Baby
here we go again, lets underestimate KT's players because of individual league performances....
On November 25 2012 21:53 Too_MuchZerg wrote: But does EG or EG/TL have $100k to pay license to enter proleague? (amount I remember long time ago that each team pays yearly)
Can't have the Kespa teams face real competition ofc, better invite a foreigner team. Maintaining the division between esf/kespa is stupid in the first place, just make a league with solid qualifiers open to everyone.
On November 25 2012 17:07 Kiyo. wrote: Ugh, OGN cutting Proleague televised days down to 2 in favor of LoL. Good to see a foreign team competing in Proleague though, I'd imagine either TL, EG, or Fnatic. The article suggests FXO but I believe they're part of the eSF so I doubt it's them.
LoL is helping ESPORTS!!!!!!111
EG...
Puma Stephano Thorzain JYP Demuslim Idra
Poor guys...
TL
Hero Taeja Zenio TLO Sea Ret
more likely. Still has severe weakpoints.
TL-EG
Hero Taeja Zenio Puma JYP Sea
makes sense.
It is not like proleague teams have a really solid lineup top to bottom either. Remember, this is SC2
CJ - Bbyong, Effort, hero[join] KT - Flash Khan - Roro, Jangbi, Reality SKT T1 - Rain, SoO, Fantasy STX - Bogus, Last, mini, Trap, hyvaa (probably most 'solid' lineup) Woongjin - Soulkey, Shy, Flying Team 8 - JD, Baby
here we go again, lets underestimate KT's players because of individual league performances....
well, how else are we supposed to estimate their strength? haven't exactly seen much of these guys lately
On November 25 2012 21:53 Too_MuchZerg wrote: But does EG or EG/TL have $100k to pay license to enter proleague? (amount I remember long time ago that each team pays yearly)
On November 25 2012 17:07 Kiyo. wrote: Ugh, OGN cutting Proleague televised days down to 2 in favor of LoL. Good to see a foreign team competing in Proleague though, I'd imagine either TL, EG, or Fnatic. The article suggests FXO but I believe they're part of the eSF so I doubt it's them.
LoL is helping ESPORTS!!!!!!111
EG...
Puma Stephano Thorzain JYP Demuslim Idra
Poor guys...
TL
Hero Taeja Zenio TLO Sea Ret
more likely. Still has severe weakpoints.
TL-EG
Hero Taeja Zenio Puma JYP Sea
makes sense.
It is not like proleague teams have a really solid lineup top to bottom either. Remember, this is SC2
CJ - Bbyong, Effort, hero[join] KT - Flash Khan - Roro, Jangbi, Reality SKT T1 - Rain, SoO, Fantasy STX - Bogus, Last, mini, Trap, hyvaa (probably most 'solid' lineup) Woongjin - Soulkey, Shy, Flying Team 8 - JD, Baby
here we go again, lets underestimate KT's players because of individual league performances....
On November 25 2012 17:07 Kiyo. wrote: Ugh, OGN cutting Proleague televised days down to 2 in favor of LoL. Good to see a foreign team competing in Proleague though, I'd imagine either TL, EG, or Fnatic. The article suggests FXO but I believe they're part of the eSF so I doubt it's them.
LoL is helping ESPORTS!!!!!!111
EG...
Puma Stephano Thorzain JYP Demuslim Idra
Poor guys...
TL
Hero Taeja Zenio TLO Sea Ret
more likely. Still has severe weakpoints.
TL-EG
Hero Taeja Zenio Puma JYP Sea
makes sense.
It is not like proleague teams have a really solid lineup top to bottom either. Remember, this is SC2
CJ - Bbyong, Effort, hero[join] KT - Flash Khan - Roro, Jangbi, Reality SKT T1 - Rain, SoO, Fantasy STX - Bogus, Last, mini, Trap, hyvaa (probably most 'solid' lineup) Woongjin - Soulkey, Shy, Flying Team 8 - JD, Baby
here we go again, lets underestimate KT's players because of individual league performances....
well, how else are we supposed to estimate their strength? haven't exactly seen much of these guys lately
ahh so much to learn....to be new at this again, what I wouldn't have given for it to be 2008 again.
On November 25 2012 21:39 itsdaniel wrote: no one in korea cares about that PL nor the game anymore....it wouldnt be a surprise for me if this will be one of the last few proleague seasons at all for sc..
If it has to be one of the last PL what can we do ? Nothing. Lets just enjoy the show !
On November 25 2012 21:39 itsdaniel wrote: no one in korea cares about that PL nor the game anymore....it wouldnt be a surprise for me if this will be one of the last few proleague seasons at all for sc..
On November 25 2012 21:53 Too_MuchZerg wrote: But does EG or EG/TL have $100k to pay license to enter proleague? (amount I remember long time ago that each team pays yearly)
On November 25 2012 21:53 Too_MuchZerg wrote: But does EG or EG/TL have $100k to pay license to enter proleague? (amount I remember long time ago that each team pays yearly)
Given what Incontrol said in his recent blog, I'm thinking EG, a Fnatic/EG or TL/EG fusion. I'm unsure if EG could stand on their own in proleague without an all-kill format, but with some added support from Taeja/Hero(and co.) or Alive/Oz, it could work. We'll have to wait and see though, but I'm hyped.
It's not FXO or Fnatic....The only teams with multiple above-the-Grubby-line players would be....
Liquid - only 3 Koreans, and the foreigners have generally not wanted to live in Korea full-time. On the other hand, Liquid'Sea. EG - Little Korean presence. It'd be weird for them to have their whole team in Korea Acer - I could actually see this. Scarlett left Eclypsia because they have no Korea plans, implying Acer does. They just made a big pick-up and got a coach (Cella), which is a strange thing to do if you don't plan to have a team house. Most proleague teams still have one really good guy and a bunch of BW players who aren't getting SC2 at all (Bisu ;_;), so Acer could do surprisingly well in a proleague format. Having a female player who can beat top Koreans (albeit not consistently) is also a huge ratings draw.
So my guess would actually be Acer, but it could be, like, Quantic or something or some team no one's heard of to be the whipping boy of Proleague.
incontrol did say in his blog that EG had big plans for Korea coming up. This could be what he was referring to. But with their current line-up, they would get smashed. The only 2 players that would be able to take games off of the Kespa players would be JYP and Stephano (if he goes). Idra has been slumping, HuK is in a slump, Puma seems to have disappeared, Demuslim? is incredibly inconsistent. Idk EG seems rather weak to join the proleague.
Even though I do not like TL, I would they go take part in it because they would have a much much stronger line-up than EG.
Pretty hard to find a foreign team which is more suitable for proleague than EG. They got the money and management, they can put their players in Korea for a long time, and lineup is decent. They've been in the scene for many years. KeSPA will believe in EG's strong management.
Team combination, like liquid-EG, won't work in KeSPA's eyes, too unstable.
On November 25 2012 23:37 ZerglingTwins wrote: Pretty hard to find a foreign team which is more suitable for proleague than EG. They got the money and management, they can put their players in Korea for a long time, and lineup is decent. They've been in the scene for many years. KeSPA will believe in EG's strong management.
Team combination, like liquid-EG, won't work in KeSPA's eyes, too unstable.
Hopefully. All those GSTL partnerships were horrible(SK-IM is kinda ok).
Considering the states of the teams right now, I think there are only 3 reasonable choices here:
Liquid: 4 Koreans, along with TLO, Ret, Sheth and Nony. Sadly besides TLO, the other 3 foreigners are on a slump, otherwise this would be a very sick lineup
EG: Stephano, Puma, JYP, Thorzain, Demuslim, Idra, Huk and (possibly) Byul is also a very sick lineup if it was 1 year ago. With their performances in recent tourneys, except for JYP, Stephano and Byul, they'll not stand much of a chance.
Quantic: This team has more than enough players to play in Proleague, but the players' level are very low compare to other teams.
Overall if EG really acquired Byul, then they are the most likely candidate for a Proleague spot, since they have the strongest financial backing.
On November 26 2012 00:02 Pros wrote: i don't think SPL format suits liquid very well at this moment, but i still hope they're in it if not this season then eventually :D
Well with in EG MCSL they are doing just fine, I think the main problem is scheduling. Players on foreign team are so often at some foreign tournament that an offline match every week would be hard to pull off.
On November 26 2012 00:02 Pros wrote: i don't think SPL format suits liquid very well at this moment, but i still hope they're in it if not this season then eventually :D
Well with in EG MCSL they are doing just fine, I think the main problem is scheduling. Players on foreign team are so often at some foreign tournament that an offline match every week would be hard to pull off.
They wouldnt lose a single match with the proleague format.
Ignorance is a bliss.
They really wouldnt lose a single match. Each KeSPA team seems to have one ace who can play with the code S players but that would do better with a GSTL format. In a proleague format even if you can count on that one guy to win his match you still have the rest of your team going up against Code S level players when they themselves are mid code A at best at the moment.
Tbh I only put MMA and DRG for the memories of their GSTL performances of the past
And I couldn't think of another Terran who does well in team leagues :o
But yeah Leenock over DRG for current skill. But HyuN over Symbol right now I think
for a Terran replacement I think you could argue MKP outside of the ace position (idk why you would ever put him there gg Prime) or ByuN. there aren't a ton of terrans that are consistent from week to week in GSTL, though . You can have random break out performances from people like Bomber, aLive, or Sculp occasionally. Fuck it. dreamertt defeated TSL in IPTL. put him on the team!
Tbh I only put MMA and DRG for the memories of their GSTL performances of the past
And I couldn't think of another Terran who does well in team leagues :o
But yeah Leenock over DRG for current skill. But HyuN over Symbol right now I think
for a Terran replacement I think you could argue MKP outside of the ace position (idk why you would ever put him there gg Prime) or ByuN. there aren't a ton of terrans that are consistent from week to week in GSTL, though . You can have random break out performances from people like Bomber, aLive, or Sculp occasionally. Fuck it. dreamertt defeated TSL in IPTL. put him on the team!
On second thought the All Star Team is probably YongHwa, Taeja, Leenock, TAiLS, Sniper, HyuN, Gumiho, MKP and Creator.
They wouldnt lose a single match with the proleague format.
Ignorance is a bliss.
They really wouldnt lose a single match. Each KeSPA team seems to have one ace who can play with the code S players but that would do better with a GSTL format. In a proleague format even if you can count on that one guy to win his match you still have the rest of your team going up against Code S level players when they themselves are mid code A at best at the moment.
proleague is a totally different nature. Starcraft 2 doesn't have such regularly scheduled team leagues (by which I mean on a weekly basis). the finalists for gstl season 3 are going have played a total of 5 matches (with the finals included). The gstls are bo9 while proleague is recently bo5, yet a halfyear of proleague has more games than 1.5 gstls (3 gstls a year, and recently proleague had 2 half-year seasons for sk planet season 1 and season 2).
kespa teams will make a player be a specialist for 1-2 maps only and can do that for weeks, match after match (unless a round or two is back to winners league format).
gstl teams don't train for such a dedicated teamleague atmosphere. everyone is focused on gsl and overall skill across many maps.
anyways, not surprised to see OnLoLnet recognising LoL is their future.
They wouldnt lose a single match with the proleague format.
Ignorance is a bliss.
They really wouldnt lose a single match. Each KeSPA team seems to have one ace who can play with the code S players but that would do better with a GSTL format. In a proleague format even if you can count on that one guy to win his match you still have the rest of your team going up against Code S level players when they themselves are mid code A at best at the moment.
proleague is a totally different nature. Starcraft 2 doesn't have such regularly scheduled team leagues (by which I mean on a weekly basis). the finalists for gstl season 3 are going have played a total of 5 matches (with the finals included). The gstls are bo9 while proleague is recently bo5, yet a halfyear of proleague has more games than 1.5 gstls (3 gstls a year, and recently proleague had 2 half-year seasons for sk planet season 1 and season 2).
kespa teams will make a player be a specialist for 1-2 maps only and can do that for weeks, match after match (unless a round or two is back to winners league format).
gstl teams don't train for such a dedicated teamleague atmosphere. everyone is focused on gsl and overall skill across many maps.
anyways, not surprised to see OnLoLnet recognising LoL is their future.
well, lets face it riot > blizzard. they've already been fucked over once, it would be stupid of them to risk it happening again by dedicating themselves too much to sc2. besides, sc2 isnt very popular korea.
On November 25 2012 23:55 quannguyen wrote:EG: Stephano, Puma, JYP, Thorzain, Demuslim, Idra, Huk and (possibly) Byul is also a very sick lineup if it was 1 year ago. With their performances in recent tourneys, except for JYP, Stephano and Byul, they'll not stand much of a chance.
Most recently, Idra won his group at WCS, beating Stephano and Roro without dropping a map. ThorZain beat Naniwa and ForGG pretty convincingly, and put up a hell of a fight against Taeja at DreamHack Winter. I don't think they can be counted out completely. Neither is gonna be your ace or starting player, but there's no reason Idra wouldn't be a credible ZvZ/ZvT player.
On November 25 2012 23:55 quannguyen wrote:EG: Stephano, Puma, JYP, Thorzain, Demuslim, Idra, Huk and (possibly) Byul is also a very sick lineup if it was 1 year ago. With their performances in recent tourneys, except for JYP, Stephano and Byul, they'll not stand much of a chance.
Most recently, Idra won his group at WCS, beating Stephano and Roro without dropping a map. ThorZain beat Naniwa and ForGG pretty convincingly, and put up a hell of a fight against Taeja at DreamHack Winter. I don't think they can be counted out completely. Neither is gonna be your ace or starting player, but there's no reason Idra wouldn't be a credible ZvZ/ZvT player.
Yeah they can. Good days are good days, but that doesn't matter because they'll have more Koreeeeans soon.
EG would probably do very well, or at least produce interesting games if they do end up going. Assuming they play at their best (Chinese IdrA, pre-slump Stephano, NASL Puma, 2011 Korean Huk, SlayerS_JYP, Suppy!, and Thorzain).
On November 26 2012 02:02 Xpace wrote: EG would probably do very well, or at least produce interesting games if they do end up going. Assuming they play at their best (Chinese IdrA, pre-slump Stephano, NASL Puma, 2011 Korean Huk, SlayerS_JYP, Suppy!, and Thorzain).
Now we get to watch EG get crushed in proleague. To bad it we don't get to see one of the stronger gom teams like Startale or MVP, that would be something awesome to watch. SPL isn't going to get more viewers by having a "foreign team" in the lineup, the time difference is the biggest factor by far. In fact, most people probably don't watch it because it comes on way to late.
On November 26 2012 02:02 Xpace wrote: EG would probably do very well, or at least produce interesting games if they do end up going. Assuming they play at their best (Chinese IdrA, pre-slump Stephano, NASL Puma, 2011 Korean Huk, SlayerS_JYP, Suppy!, and Thorzain).
On November 26 2012 02:02 Xpace wrote: EG would probably do very well, or at least produce interesting games if they do end up going. Assuming they play at their best (Chinese IdrA, pre-slump Stephano, NASL Puma, 2011 Korean Huk, SlayerS_JYP, Suppy!, and Thorzain).
SlayerS_JYP?
From when SlayerS+EG were partnered, and JYP was beastie
On November 26 2012 02:02 Xpace wrote: EG would probably do very well, or at least produce interesting games if they do end up going. Assuming they play at their best (Chinese IdrA, pre-slump Stephano, NASL Puma, 2011 Korean Huk, SlayerS_JYP, Suppy!, and Thorzain).
SlayerS_JYP?
either he meant TSL or he was talking about when JYP helped Slayers dominate during GSTL (As Slayers-EG)
Sigh. Seeing all the LoL esport news on Korean websites everyday and on the hand almost no SC2 esport news at all is truly sad for me. When someone said going SPOTV is getting SC2 bigger, it's just so wrong. Although I'm not very sure about the status of SC2 in Korea right now, from my observations and data it's declining pretty badly in Korea. With the HOTS comes out, there will be like 3 months of hype and then if Kespa-ESF are not going to a merge then it will be the same old decline again.
On November 25 2012 23:55 quannguyen wrote:EG: Stephano, Puma, JYP, Thorzain, Demuslim, Idra, Huk and (possibly) Byul is also a very sick lineup if it was 1 year ago. With their performances in recent tourneys, except for JYP, Stephano and Byul, they'll not stand much of a chance.
Most recently, Idra won his group at WCS, beating Stephano and Roro without dropping a map. ThorZain beat Naniwa and ForGG pretty convincingly, and put up a hell of a fight against Taeja at DreamHack Winter. I don't think they can be counted out completely. Neither is gonna be your ace or starting player, but there's no reason Idra wouldn't be a credible ZvZ/ZvT player.
Winnig 4 maps doesn't make you a viable PL-player. Everyone can have good days, just look at Haypro back at MLG Providence. It's about consistency and I highly doubt any foreigner would but up a fight against the Kespa teams. Sure, they can take of games or even series here and there at weekend tournaments, but Proleague is something different - probably even harder for foreigners than GSL. The only teams in the world I could imagine in PL are IM, MVP, Startale and TSL, maybe Prime, but they lack Zergs and FXO relies too much on streaky players like Gumibear.
They wouldnt lose a single match with the proleague format.
Ignorance is a bliss.
They really wouldnt lose a single match. Each KeSPA team seems to have one ace who can play with the code S players but that would do better with a GSTL format. In a proleague format even if you can count on that one guy to win his match you still have the rest of your team going up against Code S level players when they themselves are mid code A at best at the moment.
Of course they will lose matches , i think they will also struggle to maintain the top spots . First of all MMA , DRG , TAiLS and jjakji have had poor performance recently . The other players while good and consistant aren't unbeatable . Proleague format is very different from GSTL and the Kespa teams have had a lot of experience on it . Also just because you see a select number of Kespa players doing well , doesn't meen that the other players are somehow way below their level . Thought it's impossible to tell where anyone ranks right now , it's safe to assume that the Kespa players are practising as hard as anyone to maintain their jobs and salaries in the future .
On November 25 2012 23:55 quannguyen wrote:EG: Stephano, Puma, JYP, Thorzain, Demuslim, Idra, Huk and (possibly) Byul is also a very sick lineup if it was 1 year ago. With their performances in recent tourneys, except for JYP, Stephano and Byul, they'll not stand much of a chance.
Most recently, Idra won his group at WCS, beating Stephano and Roro without dropping a map. ThorZain beat Naniwa and ForGG pretty convincingly, and put up a hell of a fight against Taeja at DreamHack Winter. I don't think they can be counted out completely. Neither is gonna be your ace or starting player, but there's no reason Idra wouldn't be a credible ZvZ/ZvT player.
Winnig 4 maps doesn't make you a viable PL-player. Everyone can have good days, just look at Haypro back at MLG Providence. It's about consistency and I highly doubt any foreigner would but up a fight against the Kespa teams. Sure, they can take of games or even series here and there at weekend tournaments, but Proleague is something different - probably even harder for foreigners than GSL. The only teams in the world I could imagine in PL are IM, MVP, Startale and TSL, maybe Prime, but they lack Zergs and FXO relies too much on streaky players like Gumibear.
On November 26 2012 01:09 Luepert wrote: Hmm, why not some EFS teams, IM/MVP/Startale would be worthy adversaries for the Kespa teams.
The problem is ESF functions as one unit now , much like Kespa and if you want one you'll probably have to take them all . This is the best thing that could happen , but it would take a lot of diplomatic action from both sides .
The MvP tournament didn't show anything. Online play, cross-server, riddled with dropouts and forfeits. It was less than meaningless competitively.
In my book online play and cross - server should have helped the foreigners more . I don't imagine them doing better at lan settings , where they have to play for the whole year ( they started forfeiting a month long tournament when they were behind , can they be professional enough to take a year's long tournament even if they are losing at the start ? ) . Kespa teams had a decade of experience in proleague .
To do good in proleague you need to have depth and a lot of motivation . Sadly i don't see a foreign team who has those . I will still be rooting and be proud of them if they can last a whole season , even if they end up last much like AirForce ACE was in the old days .
On November 25 2012 17:11 sevia wrote: How many players is EG fielding in Korea right now? In the past, I feel like they haven't been too big on having their foreign superstars staying overseas.
Fnatic doesn't seem to have a big enough roster to me.
FXO it is then, by all indications. Unless Nazgul can pull off something crazy.
Puma, JYP, Huk and possibly Byul if he joins.
There's talk of sending Idra, Demuslim, Thorzain and Stephano over again next year from what I understand. That looks like a pretty threatening roster to me.
Though I think it'll most likely be FXO due to their locality.
Edit - though if Boss says it isn't FXO then I don't know. It'd be awesome if it was EG. Though EG's players are starting to practise HotS full time now so if they have to go back to WoL for it I don't imagine it'd go well. It'd be cool to see Liquid involved, though they could do with adding another player or they'd be stuck with just 5 players in Korea - though Taeja and Hero are like 3 players each anyway.
Hmm from the 3 possible choices I think FXO would be the best. They have a strong enough line up to compete. Though I do think GSTL and PL should just merge into one big team league with split broadcasting I twould be so sick to follow a league like that.
As much as I want the rumor to be true and the team be EG, I think Fnatic would be better. The thing is though, if it were FXO/Fnatic, then they can't use their Korean roster because the ESF teams would have to be part of the SPL...
On November 25 2012 21:53 Too_MuchZerg wrote: But does EG or EG/TL have $100k to pay license to enter proleague? (amount I remember long time ago that each team pays yearly)
;D Seriously though, EG is pretty likely by now, not sure if they'll be successful as a team looking at their recent performances in team leagues and individual events. But I guess it might spark some more interest in OGN broadcasts in the foreign scene which they dearly need. Hopefully the production is up to par.
No offense but any foregner team in Proleague would be an absolute slaughter. We are talking about a format where not 1-3 people can carry your team like in other team leagues and i simply don't see any team up for the task.
On November 25 2012 21:53 Too_MuchZerg wrote: But does EG or EG/TL have $100k to pay license to enter proleague? (amount I remember long time ago that each team pays yearly)
;D Seriously though, EG is pretty likely by now, not sure if they'll be successful as a team looking at their recent performances in team leagues and individual events. But I guess it might spark some more interest in OGN broadcasts in the foreign scene which they dearly need. Hopefully the production is up to par.
They have the money to enter. The thing is they need more talent and I'm sure Hwanni is working on those lines.
The MvP tournament didn't show anything. Online play, cross-server, riddled with dropouts and forfeits. It was less than meaningless competitively.
In my book online play and cross - server should have helped the foreigners more . I don't imagine them doing better at lan settings , where they have to play for the whole year ( they started forfeiting a month long tournament when they were behind , can they be professional enough to take a year's long tournament even if they are losing at the start ? ) . Kespa teams had a decade of experience in proleague .
There were a lot of reasons for the forfeits. Players were disgruntled by the prizepool, which was extremely topheavy. Players from big teams especially were upset at the relative lack of publicifty for their teams and sponsors; MLG, especially in the early weeks, seemed to take the lions' share of credit for the players without acknowledging the teams in any way. The PPV aspect was another issue. Scheduling was tough for players who had multiple tournament commitments, including travel. All these issues were compounded by the short and sometimes nonexistant notice MLG gave to the players of these problems. Some of them pulled out because they didn't want to support a PPV tournament; I think Stephano was one. Others dropped out because the tournament wasn't providing the value to their teams they expected. And others saw the entire thing as an excuse to give KeSPA players some seeds into Dallas. For the most part, though, it wasn't results-based.
On November 25 2012 21:53 Too_MuchZerg wrote: But does EG or EG/TL have $100k to pay license to enter proleague? (amount I remember long time ago that each team pays yearly)
;D Seriously though, EG is pretty likely by now, not sure if they'll be successful as a team looking at their recent performances in team leagues and individual events. But I guess it might spark some more interest in OGN broadcasts in the foreign scene which they dearly need. Hopefully the production is up to par.
I think people are underestimating EG. They only haven't really performed in the MCSL recently. They did well in IPTL, and ESEA with their "backup" roster.
Individually JYP's performed well in GSL, Demuslim's been crushing in NASL, Idra's coming back to form with a great performance at BWC after a good show at MLG, Stephano is Stephano, Thorzain played well at Dreamhack only narrowly losing to Taeja... Only Puma and Huk are really having difficulty and both are still more than capable of taking games as we can see in NASL.
Even LzGamer and Incontrol were just a few games away from getting into groups at MLG, LzGamer lost to Rain and I think InControl lost to Binski, not sure. Their roster is far from being weak. With all of them, plus maybe Byul, training together in Korea there's a lot that could happen.
Holy... Quality of games will be way better this season without hybrid proleague, and can't wait for eg :D . However, this means they will stay in Korea? At least they can train properly if that happens
On November 25 2012 21:53 Too_MuchZerg wrote: But does EG or EG/TL have $100k to pay license to enter proleague? (amount I remember long time ago that each team pays yearly)
;D Seriously though, EG is pretty likely by now, not sure if they'll be successful as a team looking at their recent performances in team leagues and individual events. But I guess it might spark some more interest in OGN broadcasts in the foreign scene which they dearly need. Hopefully the production is up to par.
I think people are underestimating EG. They only haven't really performed in the MCSL recently. They did well in IPTL, and ESEA with their "backup" roster.
Individually JYP's performed well in GSL, Demuslim's been crushing in NASL, Idra's coming back to form with a great performance at BWC after a good show at MLG, Stephano is Stephano, Thorzain played well at Dreamhack only narrowly losing to Taeja... Only Puma and Huk are really having difficulty and both are still more than capable of taking games as we can see in NASL.
Even LzGamer and Incontrol were just a few games away from getting into groups at MLG, LzGamer lost to Rain and I think InControl lost to Binski, not sure. Their roster is far from being weak. With all of them, plus maybe Byul, training together in Korea there's a lot that could happen.
Reading this post, Machine shed a single tear. :-(
On November 25 2012 21:53 Too_MuchZerg wrote: But does EG or EG/TL have $100k to pay license to enter proleague? (amount I remember long time ago that each team pays yearly)
;D Seriously though, EG is pretty likely by now, not sure if they'll be successful as a team looking at their recent performances in team leagues and individual events. But I guess it might spark some more interest in OGN broadcasts in the foreign scene which they dearly need. Hopefully the production is up to par.
That rumour doesn't have any like sources. Also is it really 100k to join proleague? wtf I don't see a foreign team doing that if they have to pay that much just to enter a league... I doubt it's that high that would be rediculous as the prize for winning isn't 100k is it?
Maybe by the time we hit HotS ESF and Kespa will just come together.
I think they'd see their major issue being who gets the views for the premier team league unless they figured out how to run two simultaneously. Proleague definitely already has the cred in the long run, but GSTL I imagine is still a notable event for gom.
I don't think it's the teams, but their respective loyalty to a team league. I wonder what a solution would be?
On November 25 2012 21:53 Too_MuchZerg wrote: But does EG or EG/TL have $100k to pay license to enter proleague? (amount I remember long time ago that each team pays yearly)
;D Seriously though, EG is pretty likely by now, not sure if they'll be successful as a team looking at their recent performances in team leagues and individual events. But I guess it might spark some more interest in OGN broadcasts in the foreign scene which they dearly need. Hopefully the production is up to par.
That rumour doesn't have any like sources. Also is it really 100k to join proleague? wtf I don't see a foreign team doing that if they have to pay that much just to enter a league... I doubt it's that high that would be rediculous as the prize for winning isn't 100k is it?
They split commercial revenues from the league just like other professional sports, except they don't have tickets sales. I don't think prize money is the income for teams.
On November 25 2012 21:53 Too_MuchZerg wrote: But does EG or EG/TL have $100k to pay license to enter proleague? (amount I remember long time ago that each team pays yearly)
;D Seriously though, EG is pretty likely by now, not sure if they'll be successful as a team looking at their recent performances in team leagues and individual events. But I guess it might spark some more interest in OGN broadcasts in the foreign scene which they dearly need. Hopefully the production is up to par.
That rumour doesn't have any like sources. Also is it really 100k to join proleague? wtf I don't see a foreign team doing that if they have to pay that much just to enter a league... I doubt it's that high that would be rediculous as the prize for winning isn't 100k is it?
They split commercial revenues from the league just like other professional sports, except they don't have tickets sales. I don't think prize money is the income for teams.
Yeah that makes since, but 100k to join? Just dunno I don't see EG or any foreign team doing that xD. Maybe they will give them a less pricy one. I am very curious what is going to happen though and we should be finding out soon since proleague starts again december 8'th :D
Somehow I expect that EG could get the entry money from there sponsors if thats what they knew it was being used for. How could there sponsors turn down an opportunity like that?
On November 26 2012 08:56 OpTiKDream wrote: why airforce no longer doing proleague
Because they're ceasing to exist when the last player leaves the Air Force sometime in 2014. They aren't accepting any new people, so by the end of the Proleague season, they probably wouldn't even have a full enough roster to play.
So who is going to play for EG if it is them? If they commit to Proleague the players will have to be in Korea for 4-5 months depending on the length of the season.
Puma JYP Byul?? HuK Maybe ThorzaIn? ( hopefully, thorzain. shit that would be awesome ) who else?
On November 26 2012 09:14 Dodgin wrote: So who is going to play for EG if it is them? If they commit to Proleague the players will have to be in Korea for 4-5 months depending on the length of the season.
Puma JYP Byul?? HuK Maybe ThorzaIn? ( hopefully, thorzain. shit that would be awesome ) who else?
I don't see how EG could think this would be a good idea. They ship their players all over the world every week, and proleague means they have to be in korea once a week.
On November 26 2012 09:14 Dodgin wrote: So who is going to play for EG if it is them? If they commit to Proleague the players will have to be in Korea for 4-5 months depending on the length of the season.
Puma JYP Byul?? HuK Maybe ThorzaIn? ( hopefully, thorzain. shit that would be awesome ) who else?
Demuslim?
I didn't know Demuslim ever went to KR for an extended period of time, that would be a first I think? Not saying It's out of the question.
Maybe a Chinese team? They have some money, and culture and travel differences are much smaller, not much homesick issue. They don't fly around the globe all year. And it is a very good chance to attract big money in Chinese market for OGN and KeSPA. And they have previous cooperation with Chinese on OSL Shanghai Finals.
Hard part is that right now they don't have very good players to put up a real fight.
On November 26 2012 09:14 Dodgin wrote: So who is going to play for EG if it is them? If they commit to Proleague the players will have to be in Korea for 4-5 months depending on the length of the season.
Puma JYP Byul?? HuK Maybe ThorzaIn? ( hopefully, thorzain. shit that would be awesome ) who else?
Demuslim?
I didn't know Demuslim ever went to KR for an extended period of time, that would be a first I think? Not saying It's out of the question.
Yeah, but didn't he want to go some time ago (no clue when, really) and then it fell through somehow? Anyway, it'd be for fucking Proleague, anyone who would have at least a small chance at playing time (aka everyone but Incontrol, Machine and LZ) should be pumped and ready to go, except for Stephano, he probably wouldn't give a fuck and only go to Korea if EG ordered him to or for training reasons with a few bothersome Proleague games in between.
I don't know if IdrA would really want to go, but for everyone who loved BW, playing in Proleague once should be a dream come true, so I could imagine him going there, too, for at least the first couple of matches, especially if EG wants to put all their marketing and star power behind the move.
On November 26 2012 09:54 ZerglingTwins wrote: Maybe a Chinese team? They have some money, and culture and travel differences are much smaller, not much homesick issue. They don't fly around the globe all year. And it is a very good chance to attract big money in Chinese market for OGN and KeSPA. And they have previous cooperation with Chinese on OSL Shanghai Finals.
Hard part is that right now they don't have very good players to put up a real fight.
was thinking this too. 10/11 spl finals was in china.
On November 26 2012 09:14 Dodgin wrote: So who is going to play for EG if it is them? If they commit to Proleague the players will have to be in Korea for 4-5 months depending on the length of the season.
Puma JYP Byul?? HuK Maybe ThorzaIn? ( hopefully, thorzain. shit that would be awesome ) who else?
Demuslim?
I didn't know Demuslim ever went to KR for an extended period of time, that would be a first I think? Not saying It's out of the question.
He said on his stream a few days ago that he was most likely going to Korea soon
any of these foreign teams would be the new ACE lol, there's nothing that can beat a KeSPA team in terms of preparation. Also, I hope SC2 PL doesn't go the same way SF2 PL did, but I'm not optimistic at all.
On November 26 2012 11:09 ArvickHero wrote: any of these foreign teams would be the new ACE lol, there's nothing that can beat a KeSPA team in terms of preparation. Also, I hope SC2 PL doesn't go the same way SF2 PL did, but I'm not optimistic at all.
FXO would dominate Proleague.
EG/Fnatic would probably be Ace-level. EG could probably do pretty decently if they all moved to Korea and were there for four months straight, but seeing as everyone on EG is always traveling to foreign events, they'd probably get smashed.
On November 26 2012 11:09 ArvickHero wrote: any of these foreign teams would be the new ACE lol, there's nothing that can beat a KeSPA team in terms of preparation. Also, I hope SC2 PL doesn't go the same way SF2 PL did, but I'm not optimistic at all.
FXO would dominate Proleague.
EG/Fnatic would probably be Ace-level. EG could probably do pretty decently if they all moved to Korea and were there for four months straight, but seeing as everyone on EG is always traveling to foreign events, they'd probably get smashed.
Agreed. If EG committed themselves there then I can see them honestly competing. Most likely people will be in and out and what not so maybe not =S
I think it would be cool if EG decided to dedicate four months to having ALL of there players in Korea and only sending 1 player to each big foreign event. EX: HuK to MLG, Puma to NASL, etc etc etc how ever they want to split it up.
On November 26 2012 11:09 ArvickHero wrote: any of these foreign teams would be the new ACE lol, there's nothing that can beat a KeSPA team in terms of preparation. Also, I hope SC2 PL doesn't go the same way SF2 PL did, but I'm not optimistic at all.
FXO would dominate Proleague.
EG/Fnatic would probably be Ace-level. EG could probably do pretty decently if they all moved to Korea and were there for four months straight, but seeing as everyone on EG is always traveling to foreign events, they'd probably get smashed.
I have extreme doubts about that assessment, but I can't say for certain I guess. As far as I can tell, GSTL has only been All-Kill format, eSF Teams are much more geared towards individual leagues, and KeSPA teams are completely dedicated to preparing for PL (multiple coaches, limited individual league participation, totally new maps). With all of these factors, and now that KeSPA players are caught up in terms of average skill, I can't imagine any newcomer team doing particularly well.
On November 26 2012 08:38 Proseat wrote: "Liquid Geniuses" / "Evil Liquid" would make a lot more sense roster-wise. But I guess it will never happen because of conflicting sponsors.
It would be like a marvel/DC crossover comic :D.
Superman with Thor's Hammer and Captain America's Shield...!
damn i hope there will be a fantasy league for this. hopefully proleague will do decent in korea, could be the deciding factor for the future of sc2 in korea :/
On November 26 2012 11:09 ArvickHero wrote: any of these foreign teams would be the new ACE lol, there's nothing that can beat a KeSPA team in terms of preparation. Also, I hope SC2 PL doesn't go the same way SF2 PL did, but I'm not optimistic at all.
FXO would dominate Proleague.
EG/Fnatic would probably be Ace-level. EG could probably do pretty decently if they all moved to Korea and were there for four months straight, but seeing as everyone on EG is always traveling to foreign events, they'd probably get smashed.
well good thing this next proleague will be during the down time of most events. DH is done for awhile, MLG is done for awhile, NASL will be done for awhile shortly. IPL the same. No more WCS. Only thing really going on is IEM. Sure there will be HSC and some other smaller things, but I'd imagine most of them would be good with going to korea for a few months. Thorzain said awhile back he was going to Korea after DH Winter.
Sometimes I feel like EG will run out of money. I know they won't because their management seem to be incredibly good business men, but holy shit they do spend a lot of money. Sometimes I think EG should get rid of their WoW and QL division, focus on SC2, Dota 2, get a good League team, and FGC.
On November 26 2012 11:59 GTR wrote: EG will do okay, but they won't be as good as they can be simply because they lack a good coaching staff that the corporate teams have.
they do have Hwanni though, but he's definitely not a strategy coach lol.
On November 26 2012 11:59 GTR wrote: EG will do okay, but they won't be as good as they can be simply because they lack a good coaching staff that the corporate teams have.
they do have Hwanni though, but he's definitely not a strategy coach lol.
I never understood this...is Hwanni the manager of the team or the coach, and if not strategy then what does he do? Because I thought that the manager was InControl.
On November 26 2012 08:38 Proseat wrote: "Liquid Geniuses" / "Evil Liquid" would make a lot more sense roster-wise. But I guess it will never happen because of conflicting sponsors.
It would be like a marvel/DC crossover comic :D.
Superman with Thor's Hammer and Captain America's Shield...!
Batman in an Iron Man suit
Btw, the EsportsTV Youtube channel has Korean vods of the Mvp invitational, but it seems that they can't be viewed in the US so I can't watch it. I wonder how the production value for it is.
On November 26 2012 11:59 GTR wrote: EG will do okay, but they won't be as good as they can be simply because they lack a good coaching staff that the corporate teams have.
they do have Hwanni though, but he's definitely not a strategy coach lol.
I never understood this...is Hwanni the manager of the team or the coach, and if not strategy then what does he do? Because I thought that the manager was InControl.
incontrol is the team captain, the way hwanni talks about it in inteviews, he sounds like he is a coach, but he doesn't necessarily advise players on strategies or tactics.
i think he probably advises on mentality, sets up practice schedules, chooses the roster orders, etc but won't tell his players which build orders to do in matches.
Even better would be a combined GSTL/ProLeague situation, but it doesn't seem likely... I think LG-IM, MVP, FXO, and StarTale should be given positions in ProLeague because they have stability...
Edit: Looks like it's EG after all. I was really hoping for FXO
On November 26 2012 11:59 GTR wrote: EG will do okay, but they won't be as good as they can be simply because they lack a good coaching staff that the corporate teams have.
It's more than that, they don't even do good in foreign team leagues.
On November 26 2012 11:59 GTR wrote: EG will do okay, but they won't be as good as they can be simply because they lack a good coaching staff that the corporate teams have.
It's more than that, they don't even do good in foreign team leagues.
That's not true. They did bad in their EGMC league, but they did good in IPTL and Esea.
On November 26 2012 11:59 GTR wrote: EG will do okay, but they won't be as good as they can be simply because they lack a good coaching staff that the corporate teams have.
It's more than that, they don't even do good in foreign team leagues.
On November 26 2012 11:59 GTR wrote: EG will do okay, but they won't be as good as they can be simply because they lack a good coaching staff that the corporate teams have.
they do have Hwanni though, but he's definitely not a strategy coach lol.
I never understood this...is Hwanni the manager of the team or the coach, and if not strategy then what does he do? Because I thought that the manager was InControl.
iNcontroL is a player/captain/caster. Hwanni is a manager, mainly focusing on their operations in Korea which we will know more about soon.
I really hope the next season of Proleague goes back to a Bo7 format. Bo5 meant that B-teamers never got a chance to play.
And only one round of winners' league, if any. Watching Jaedong and Bisu rack up multiple all-kills is fun, but the top level of competition really needs to expose more players.
Because people seem to have the wrong impression of what IPTV is or are not familiar with the TV landscape in Korea. In comparison to the U.S., where AT&T U-verse is the only large IPTV service that I'm aware of and still relatively tiny compare to traditional cable companies, IPTV is not a small market. It is also definitely not an "online streaming service" like some people seem to think.
The three largest IPTV networks in Korea are U+TV (LG), Olleh (KT), and B TV (SK). SPOTV and SPOTV2 (they have two channels) are carried on all three just like OGN. There are few "cable channels" that aren't also IPTV channels and that number is matched or exceeded by channels that are IPTV-only.
Personally, SPOTV feels like a step down from OGN, but how could it not? With its roots in Tooniverse, OGN is the mecca of broadcast eSports for most of us. But times change and at least it's not a complete abandonment of StarCraft.
Trying to look on the bright side, SPOTV does have a cleaner stream than OGN (I haven't seen, nor do I even know if they have, a web stream, so I mean on television). Not just in-game but the channel as a whole. Their broadcast of the MvP tournament wasn't as exciting as OGN or GOM, but it was a replay-casted tournament, and they did a good job with it and used a professional sports-like format which OGN used again during their broadcast of BWC in Shanghai.
Basically, it's a shitty situation but less doom-and-gloom please.
On November 26 2012 12:43 andrea20 wrote: I really hope the next season of Proleague goes back to a Bo7 format. Bo5 meant that B-teamers never got a chance to play.
And only one round of winners' league, if any. Watching Jaedong and Bisu rack up multiple all-kills is fun, but the top level of competition really needs to expose more players.
Agreed. I dislike all kill all the time. It's why I love the kespa/EGMC format, 4 1v1's with possible ace (or if it's bo7 then 6 1v1's with possible ace).
I really wish more leagues did this format or at least switched off, best format is one season of normal then next one can be all kill. I like that style the best like kespa did with proleague in bw ^_^.
On November 26 2012 12:43 andrea20 wrote: I really hope the next season of Proleague goes back to a Bo7 format. Bo5 meant that B-teamers never got a chance to play.
And only one round of winners' league, if any. Watching Jaedong and Bisu rack up multiple all-kills is fun, but the top level of competition really needs to expose more players.
Agreed. I dislike all kill all the time. It's why I love the kespa/EGMC format, 4 1v1's with possible ace (or if it's bo7 then 6 1v1's with possible ace).
I really wish more leagues did this format or at least switched off, best format is one season of normal then next one can be all kill. I like that style the best like kespa did with proleague in bw ^_^.
Indeed, at least its put the team in teamleague. All-kills are fun and at all but they don't feel very teamlike and more just 1 player carrying.
If FXOBoss is right and it's not Fanatic or FXO then I guess it must be EG. But I don't get why would they do this. Even if they sign-up Byul and ship Thorzain to Korea they will barely have a basic roster. They have very little exposure to gain. It's not like proleague foreign viewership was astounding. Moreover if proleague doesn't change the format it will be stuck as a mirror-matchup tournament. That can't be good for attracting audience.
At first I thought EG wouldn't make sense because I don't see players like stephano staying in KR for that long due to missing out on tourneys. Then I realized pro league starts Dec 8th and foreign tournaments are basically done by dec and it's sort of like the off season. MLG doesn't start up again till like March, same with IPL. I forget when euro tourneys start but I don't think they start in january either.
I remember Idra went to KR last december to train until like february. A bunch of EG players could do the same and not really miss out any foreign tourneys either with most not starting up again till march. Of course I base this on the leagues prior schedules, so who knows if MLG will start again in march next year.
My guess is that whichever teams have houses in Korea are the ones that'll have the easiest time adjusting. But I mean, lots of foreign teams have strong players. Acer, TL (obviously), EG, just to name a few.
I don't see any foreigner team alone having a roster that can play proleague throughout the season. Considering all the events people will be flying to etc next year.
Having 5 players alone is not good enough if 3 of them are going to an mlg on a match weekend
To be honest, and this is just my dirty opinion and no one probably cares. But a foreign team in a KESPA tournament to me reaks of market testing. If it fails, I think we could expect proleague to disappear.
This opinion is enough to support it regardless of who is playing in it.
On November 26 2012 13:37 Canucklehead wrote: At first I thought EG wouldn't make sense because I don't see players like stephano staying in KR for that long due to missing out on tourneys. Then I realized pro league starts Dec 8th and foreign tournaments are basically done by dec and it's sort of like the off season. MLG doesn't start up again till like March, same with IPL. I forget when euro tourneys start but I don't think they start in january either.
I remember Idra went to KR last december to train until like february. A bunch of EG players could do the same and not really miss out any foreign tourneys either with most not starting up again till march. Of course I base this on the leagues prior schedules, so who knows if MLG will start again in march next year.
There is HSC, Asus RoG, Iron Squid, MLG Arena, IEM in Jan/Feb, IEM WC, MLG in March. A proleague season is like 4 months so all these tournaments would have to be skipped (especially if the team barely has enough players to begin with).
On November 26 2012 18:37 FXOBoSs wrote: To be honest, and this is just my dirty opinion and no one probably cares. But a foreign team in a KESPA tournament to me reaks of market testing. If it fails, I think we could expect proleague to disappear.
This opinion is enough to support it regardless of who is playing in it.
If what fails? EG is paying for its participation...
Proleague wins the second the funds are deposited, the only way it fails is if Idra starts raging, destroys the booths and murders someone.
People are all jumping to the conclusion that by "foreigner team" they mean one of the bigger western teams like EG and the like but if you consider the amount of foreigner tournaments those players would have to sacrifice in order to play in proleague for 4 months for little to no gain whatsoever i seriously doubt that that's the case. I'm putting my money on one of the chinese/taiwanese teams joining proleague.
On November 26 2012 18:54 Fragile51 wrote: People are all jumping to the conclusion that by "foreigner team" they mean one of the bigger western teams like EG and the like but if you consider the amount of foreigner tournaments those players would have to sacrifice in order to play in proleague for 4 months for little to no gain whatsoever i seriously doubt that that's the case. I'm putting my money on one of the chinese/taiwanese teams joining proleague.
No offense to the Chinese/Taiwanese teams, but if this occurred, they'd more than likely go 0-38 and get bounced out of the league faster than ace. Even Sen's team would probably get their ass kicked due to the non all-kill format.
It's more than likely EG. While they would probably be projected to be a bottom of the table team, they could still be competitive if Byul/Stephano/JYP/Puma are there weekly.
On November 26 2012 18:54 Fragile51 wrote: People are all jumping to the conclusion that by "foreigner team" they mean one of the bigger western teams like EG and the like but if you consider the amount of foreigner tournaments those players would have to sacrifice in order to play in proleague for 4 months for little to no gain whatsoever i seriously doubt that that's the case. I'm putting my money on one of the chinese/taiwanese teams joining proleague.
Which would make A LOT of sense. China market is the most important market right now (and has been). Proleague finals were supposed to be in china last year, WCS finals were in China, etc.
On November 26 2012 18:54 Fragile51 wrote: People are all jumping to the conclusion that by "foreigner team" they mean one of the bigger western teams like EG and the like but if you consider the amount of foreigner tournaments those players would have to sacrifice in order to play in proleague for 4 months for little to no gain whatsoever i seriously doubt that that's the case. I'm putting my money on one of the chinese/taiwanese teams joining proleague.
No offense to the Chinese/Taiwanese teams, but if this occurred, they'd more than likely go 0-38 and get bounced out of the league faster than ace. Even Sen's team would probably get their ass kicked due to the non all-kill format.
It's more than likely EG. While they would probably be projected to be a bottom of the table team, they could still be competitive if Byul/Stephano/JYP/Puma are there weekly.
Well they were looking for a replacement for ACE, so replacing them with another team that isn't expected to win anything makes a whole lotta sense, don't you think? :p
I just don't see teams like EG participating because that would put them in a very awkward position in terms of foreign tournaments. GSL participation they could probably deal with aside from SPL, but foreign tournaments always happen in the weekend, which is also when SPL matches are played. I don't think EG are going to keep their players in korea for a tournament that limits itself only to korea instead of being able to spread their brand in international events with way more international coverage. Then again i could be completely wrong, and it would make for a pretty interesting situation for sure.
On November 26 2012 18:37 FXOBoSs wrote: To be honest, and this is just my dirty opinion and no one probably cares. But a foreign team in a KESPA tournament to me reaks of market testing. If it fails, I think we could expect proleague to disappear.
This opinion is enough to support it regardless of who is playing in it.
If what fails? EG is paying for its participation...
Proleague wins the second the funds are deposited, the only way it fails is if Idra starts raging, destroys the booths and murders someone.
Can you show me the receipt of payment from EG to proleague? Or the statement that says they are paying to participate.. For some reason I don't think anyone will be paying to play in the first sc2 proleague.
What fails? Gaining enough audience to make it economically viable. If it gets the current ogn numbers for sc2, I would question its viability.
If anything you would think Kespa would be paying EG to participate, not the other way around. They want the foreign viewers, why else would they do something like this?
I don't see how EG gains much from this, I guess they get some exposure in the KR market but is that market even important to them anyway?
Paying a lot to participate, limiting their players in the events they can go to because of the long season. That doesn't make sense to me.
Did you really have to pay to participate in Proleague? That sounds kind of ridiculous, but given the monopoly kespa had, they could pull it off. But now, with so many leagues and much less affluent teams, it doesn´t make sense at all. No one would pay that even if Proleague was the greatest league ever to grace SC2. Times have changed, kespa has no monopoly on SC anymore and their league is leagues (haha) behind Gom´s in production and viewership. I mean, what do they have to offer for that kind of money?
Guys, It is not "paying". It is a "fiancé". They give you back the money after the tournament ends.
It is logical, If the team that participate leaves the tournament in the first month, the next 2 o 3 months of proleague are screwed. So a fiance that force the team to continue all season is logical.
On November 26 2012 19:17 Daswollvieh wrote: Did you really have to pay to participate in Proleague? That sounds kind of ridiculous, but given the monopoly kespa had, they could pull it off. But now, with so many leagues and much less affluent teams, it doesn´t make sense at all. No one would pay that even if Proleague was the greatest league ever to grace SC2. Times have changed, kespa has no monopoly on SC anymore and their league is leagues (haha) behind Gom´s in production and viewership. I mean, what do they have to offer for that kind of money?
Good LoL transition :D
If Korea will take LoL as seriously as they took BW, they may become a powerhouse, so EG making a mark in Korea Proleague and working among team-monsters (Entus, RolSKTers etc. + OGN) is maybe a first step?
The thing is Korea is a funny place right now, from theory side.
Starcraft became a "global" esport, which means Finals are in either US or in China, yet there is only 1 good training facility : Korea.
Honestly i doubt that Kespa holders will put up much longer with how terribly advertised they will become if SC2 interests stay as it is after HotS release, but for team like EG its killing 2 birds with 1 stone. Their LoL team and brand can get advertised in Korea "who is becoming the place to be in" and their SC2 team after training in Korea which will become the backbone of their "Global" interest.
Maybe its all bullshit. Dont read that much into it.
Clearly, they already got a team to participate, and also sponsors for proleague. Why do they have to keep it a secret? It is now only 2 weeks from the starting time. It is only logical to announce the foreign team early, then you can hype around that fact through ads to increase viewership.
On November 26 2012 22:53 ZerglingTwins wrote: Clearly, they already got a team to participate, and also sponsors for proleague. Why do they have to keep it a secret? It is now only 2 weeks from the starting time. It is only logical to announce the foreign team early, then you can hype around that fact through ads to increase viewership.
Well that would imply them actually giving a damn, which they obviously don't ;_;
On November 26 2012 19:14 Dodgin wrote: If anything you would think Kespa would be paying EG to participate, not the other way around. They want the foreign viewers, why else would they do something like this?
I don't see how EG gains much from this, I guess they get some exposure in the KR market but is that market even important to them anyway?
Paying a lot to participate, limiting their players in the events they can go to because of the long season. That doesn't make sense to me.
this, no one has yet convincingly showed why stephano/idra/thorzain etc would play in proleague at all.
On November 26 2012 19:14 Dodgin wrote: If anything you would think Kespa would be paying EG to participate, not the other way around. They want the foreign viewers, why else would they do something like this?
I don't see how EG gains much from this, I guess they get some exposure in the KR market but is that market even important to them anyway?
Paying a lot to participate, limiting their players in the events they can go to because of the long season. That doesn't make sense to me.
this, no one has yet convincingly showed why stephano/idra/thorzain etc would play in proleague at all.
currently i only see huk/puma/jyp willing to play
Well, I don't really see the benefit for EG either, but I think if they decide to commit to playing in Proleague, they should fully commit and focus all their power on it. If TL in GSTL has shown one thing, it's that a foreign team in a Korean team league completely fails if you do it half-assed.
If EG sends a mediocre lineup with no depth where every player sent is not even remotely a surprise but obvious because they don't have anyone else, they'll fail horribly and get laughed at and ridiculed to no end here and anywhere else, especially since a lot of people are happy to cheer at EG's losses and with the whole curse storyline.
It's even worse in Proleague format since JYP can't get more than one win and EG is kinda reliant on JYP and because there'd be few of the popular EG players who would make people want to follow the matches of their idols. If EG plays JYP/Puma/whoever and maybe Byul if there was some truth to the rumours, it'd be no different to FNATIC playing in GSTL now, you recognize the team name, but a lot of the foreign audience doesn't particularly identify with the players on it.
In my opinion, the only way to make something useful for EG out of this is if they go full force, bring a lot of players, bring some video people, follow the players around and document the whole process of EG being and living in Korea and the first foreign team ever to play in Proleague to keep the community and sponsors happy and informed about all the crap they do without as much tournament exposure as they usually get.
I don't think it'd benefit EG, the cost would probably outweigh the benefits by a lot, but since they try to sell themselves as pioneers and the number one team out there, they might want to go for a stint in Proleague just because.
I would like EG to do it, but I think it would be too much of a task. How many people can they have actively stay in Korea for this season of proleague anyway?
JYP, Puma, possibly Huk. Then at least a few others rotating in and out, Stephano, Thorzain, Idra, I figure might be receptive to returning to Korea. Then you have others like DeMuslim, Suppy, LzGamer, and Machine. Maybe Incontrol would take the figure as sort of the coach/manager just to be seen on TV for EG if they were the team to be there.
I do hope EG get to do it and get the coveted 8th team spot in SPL. But honestly I don't think they would get far. Unless they really buckled down and embraced some hardcore Korean training and made a massive effort of it to take the title, even then, no guarantee they would succeed or even do decent in SPL.
I hope they go for something like what Starve suggested, I would watch the 'EG goes Korea'-reality show! ^^
Foreign players in Proleague would no doubt spark more interest for the Proleague. For us non-BW types it's not quite clear why we should care about it. If EG wants a permanent Korean presence (and I hope they do, the team that pays the best salaries and gives the foreign players something to work towards should also provide their players with the best practice-environment) this would be a pretty great way to do it.
On November 27 2012 00:45 yoshi245 wrote: Most likely FXO will fill the spot as the team to replace Airforce ACE if I were to guess.
In the OP, FXOBoSs says it's not FXO. So it's probably not FXO.
Yeah, I refreshed the page and missed that. But I really wish it was FXO, out of the 3 suggested teams, I think they have the most viability and strength to do well in proleague.
I wonder if the Korean audience is as clueless as us, or if we're just missing all the Korean announcements for Proleague to start in less than two weeks. I wish OGN/KeSPA took a page out of GOM's book and had someone official who speaks decent English come to TL.net and post some more information for the potential foreign audience they allegedly so crave.
On November 27 2012 06:47 Proseat wrote: I wonder if the Korean audience is as clueless as us, or if we're just missing all the Korean announcements for Proleague to start in less than two weeks. I wish OGN/KeSPA took a page out of GOM's book and had someone official who speaks decent English come to TL.net and post some more information for the potential foreign audience they allegedly so crave.
Kespa should just merge with the GSTL teams at this point, let them be a SC2 version of the NL and AL leagues in american baseball.
also, if it is EG, I hope Boxer will greet Idra in the studio with a 'hi grack'. Also, if true Idra will finally get to play in the proleague after years of toiling with entus's b team
bit far-fetched, but i think maybe EG has been setting up a training house in Korea. i'm not entirely sure why, but i've been feeling like that might be happening for a while now. if i'm right, they could move all/most of the team to korea (i think a lot of their players would be fine with going to korea. Thorzain, Idra, Huk, Stephano... and then of course they have 3 koreans), train there and play in proleague, produce extensive documentary footage of the whole experience etc. and still send players to some foreign tournaments, as well as potentially participate in GSL/GSTL.
On November 27 2012 17:12 mcmartini wrote: I would absolutely die if SPL was on while I was in Korea In january :D Would do disgusting things to see a game live!
On November 27 2012 17:12 mcmartini wrote: I would absolutely die if SPL was on while I was in Korea In january :D Would do disgusting things to see a game live!
You´ve only been there, if you brought cheefuls.
I'd bring cheerfuls, the Mrs her brother and a whole lot of cheering. Only in Seoul for 5 days on a stopover though
On November 27 2012 17:12 mcmartini wrote: I would absolutely die if SPL was on while I was in Korea In january :D Would do disgusting things to see a game live!
You´ve only been there, if you brought cheefuls.
I'd bring cheerfuls, the Mrs her brother and a whole lot of cheering. Only in Seoul for 5 days on a stopover though
I imagine SPL will be going on in january if it starts on the 8'th of december :D
On November 27 2012 17:12 mcmartini wrote: I would absolutely die if SPL was on while I was in Korea In january :D Would do disgusting things to see a game live!
You´ve only been there, if you brought cheefuls.
I'd bring cheerfuls, the Mrs her brother and a whole lot of cheering. Only in Seoul for 5 days on a stopover though
I imagine SPL will be going on in january if it starts on the 8'th of december :D
I am there from Jan 5th - Jan 10th (leaving on the 10th) so here is hoping.
On November 27 2012 07:03 amazingoopah wrote: Kespa should just merge with the GSTL teams at this point, let them be a SC2 version of the NL and AL leagues in american baseball.
also, if it is EG, I hope Boxer will greet Idra in the studio with a 'hi grack'. Also, if true Idra will finally get to play in the proleague after years of toiling with entus's b team
AL NL version idea is kind of cool actually
have GSTL and Proleague finish around the same time then pit the KESPA winner against the ESF winner for the real championship team series
just look sc2earnings.com guys. only 14yo~~~& Thor got more than 20k $ in 2012. 20K$ for 11 month ,less than washing dishes in America. i mean the others of EG nothing to lose,in fact they can get more than that by play in PL.THE ONLY FOREIGN TEAM IN PL,isn't it enough?
Ok. Some new updates, but not able to translate the full thing since it's originally from fomos (Edit: Not that I translate straight from fomos anyway I guess haha. I go by what the Chinese translation says.). There'll be a press conference on 4 December about the new season of Proleague.
- According to reports, it's confirmed that there will be a foreign team, to be official revealed at the conference - SK Planet will be sponsoring one more year - SPL to have English broadcasts - New season to revert to a 1 year schedule, with 6 rounds, 4 matchdays and 8 matches a week - 2nd round and 5th round to be SWL played with a KOF format - Regular season to be Bo7, with an Ace - Format reverted to that of a pre-announced team style, instead of revealing the team on the spot
On November 27 2012 19:53 Weirdkid wrote: Ok. Some new updates, but not able to translate the full thing since it's originally from fomos (Edit: Not that I translate straight from fomos anyway I guess haha. I go by what the Chinese translation says.). There'll be a press conference on 4 December about the new season of Proleague.
- According to reports, it's confirmed that there will be a foreign team, to be official revealed at the conference - SK Planet will be sponsoring one more year - SPL to have English broadcasts - New season to revert to a 1 year schedule, with 6 rounds, 4 matchdays and 8 matches a week - 2nd round and 5th round to be SWL played with a KOF format - Regular season to be Bo7, with an Ace - Format reverted to that of a pre-announced team style, instead of revealing the team on the spot
Like this very much, pretty much every thing I wanted about the format.
On November 27 2012 20:07 GolemMadness wrote: What is KOF format? Winner's league?
Yes I think so. Chinese translation says "SWL" and I have no idea what that means haha
Edit: Actually I still don't know what SWL means. KOF format is like the all-kill format
WL is Winner's League, which was the portion of Proleague that had the all-kill format.
The "S" might mean Shinhan Bank or something, which was the old sponsor for Proleague for a few years, back when they had the all-kill portion each year.
The Brood War Liquipedia has an article about this. I assume that the "Shinhan Bank Winner's League" got shortened to "SWL," which I guess has become synonymous with the all-kill format.
On November 27 2012 20:07 GolemMadness wrote: What is KOF format? Winner's league?
Yes I think so. Chinese translation says "SWL" and I have no idea what that means haha
Edit: Actually I still don't know what SWL means. KOF format is like the all-kill format
WL is Winner's League, which was the portion of Proleague that had the all-kill format.
The "S" might mean Shinhan Bank or something, which was the old sponsor for Proleague for a few years, back when they had the all-kill portion each year.
The Brood War Liquipedia has an article about this. I assume that the "Shinhan Bank Winner's League" got shortened to "SWL," which I guess has become synonymous with the all-kill format.
Ah okk thanks Maybe SKPlanet Winners' League (?), since they're sponsoring
- Format reverted to that of a pre-announced team style, instead of revealing the team on the spot
what?
why, the change was made to fucking prevent shit like the scandal to happen again.
Hmm. I'm not sure if it was in the fomos article, but the reasoning is kind of explained in the Chinese one.
They mentioned that previous format was stopped because of the scandal, and even though the current format has its own merits and attractiveness, it's hard for the players to prepare. The main reason to take the risk to switch back is to make for better viewing to stir up the Korean Starcraft 2 market. It lets the player prepare properly, and also allows fans to choose which matches they want to watch. Kespa said they'll take precautions, like getting teams to regulate more, having that out-of-game training thing that they already have (Not sure what it's called, but you probably know what it is if you follow Kespa teams), and also allowing other organisations to supervise and investigate.
- Format reverted to that of a pre-announced team style, instead of revealing the team on the spot
what?
why, the change was made to fucking prevent shit like the scandal to happen again.
otherwise I'm glad it will be a full season and not one split into two like last year.
Well if the format is winners league doesn't that just mean that the first players will be revealed? I don't see too much harm in that. Too bad though, i preferred proleagues old format to the winners league format. All kill situations can be fun but they can also be a biiit boring at times.. Then again i could just be misinterpreting it completely.
- Format reverted to that of a pre-announced team style, instead of revealing the team on the spot
what?
why, the change was made to fucking prevent shit like the scandal to happen again.
otherwise I'm glad it will be a full season and not one split into two like last year.
Well if the format is winners league doesn't that just mean that the first players will be revealed? I don't see too much harm in that. Too bad though, i preferred proleagues old format to the winners league format. All kill situations can be fun but they can also be a biiit boring at times.. Then again i could just be misinterpreting it completely.
only Round 2 and 5 are winners league...which also doesn't make sense.
On November 27 2012 20:07 GolemMadness wrote: What is KOF format? Winner's league?
Yes I think so. Chinese translation says "SWL" and I have no idea what that means haha
Edit: Actually I still don't know what SWL means. KOF format is like the all-kill format
WL is Winner's League, which was the portion of Proleague that had the all-kill format.
The "S" might mean Shinhan Bank or something, which was the old sponsor for Proleague for a few years, back when they had the all-kill portion each year.
The Brood War Liquipedia has an article about this. I assume that the "Shinhan Bank Winner's League" got shortened to "SWL," which I guess has become synonymous with the all-kill format.
Ah okk thanks Maybe SKPlanet Winners' League (?), since they're sponsoring
Probably. Both the SK Planet Proleague of this past year and the Shinhan Bank Proleagues were often abbreviated to SPL, so I assume that the SWL abbreviation can still hold up this coming year with the SC2 Proleague and accompanying Winner's League.
- Format reverted to that of a pre-announced team style, instead of revealing the team on the spot
what?
why, the change was made to fucking prevent shit like the scandal to happen again.
otherwise I'm glad it will be a full season and not one split into two like last year.
I guess no one would dare to pull that shit again Anyway, 2013 Proleague shapes up to be really great. 4 proleagues, 2 winnerleagues, like 5 whole "new" maps, one-year long race, preannounced lineups for better quality. Cant wait!
- Format reverted to that of a pre-announced team style, instead of revealing the team on the spot
what?
why, the change was made to fucking prevent shit like the scandal to happen again.
otherwise I'm glad it will be a full season and not one split into two like last year.
I guess no one would dare to pull that shit again Anyway, 2013 Proleague shapes up to be really great. 4 proleagues, 2 winnerleagues, like 5 whole "new" maps, one-year long race, preannounced lineups for better quality. Cant wait!
its not 4 proleagues and 2 winnersleagues, the whole thing adds up to the same playoffs, they are rounds.
you don't have to be TL staff to know an FPL season is coming.
- Format reverted to that of a pre-announced team style, instead of revealing the team on the spot
what?
why, the change was made to fucking prevent shit like the scandal to happen again.
otherwise I'm glad it will be a full season and not one split into two like last year.
Well if the format is winners league doesn't that just mean that the first players will be revealed? I don't see too much harm in that. Too bad though, i preferred proleagues old format to the winners league format. All kill situations can be fun but they can also be a biiit boring at times.. Then again i could just be misinterpreting it completely.
only Round 2 and 5 are winners league...which also doesn't make sense.
Myeah you're right, i guess for variety's sake? Weird shit SPL x_x
Oh well i'll be watching it anyways, so doesn't matter to me all that much. Wonder if the korean broadcast will also be aired to foreignerland, i always liked watching those.
- Format reverted to that of a pre-announced team style, instead of revealing the team on the spot
what?
why, the change was made to fucking prevent shit like the scandal to happen again.
otherwise I'm glad it will be a full season and not one split into two like last year.
I guess no one would dare to pull that shit again Anyway, 2013 Proleague shapes up to be really great. 4 proleagues, 2 winnerleagues, like 5 whole "new" maps, one-year long race, preannounced lineups for better quality. Cant wait!
its not 4 proleagues and 2 winnersleagues, the whole thing adds up to the same playoffs, they are rounds.
you don't have to be TL staff to know an FPL season is coming.
I know. just too lazy to write the word "rounds" in time to put faith of anti-team in free & rorO again :p
On November 27 2012 20:07 GolemMadness wrote: What is KOF format? Winner's league?
Yes I think so. Chinese translation says "SWL" and I have no idea what that means haha
Edit: Actually I still don't know what SWL means. KOF format is like the all-kill format
WL is Winner's League, which was the portion of Proleague that had the all-kill format.
The "S" might mean Shinhan Bank or something, which was the old sponsor for Proleague for a few years, back when they had the all-kill portion each year.
The Brood War Liquipedia has an article about this. I assume that the "Shinhan Bank Winner's League" got shortened to "SWL," which I guess has become synonymous with the all-kill format.
- Format reverted to that of a pre-announced team style, instead of revealing the team on the spot
what?
why, the change was made to fucking prevent shit like the scandal to happen again.
otherwise I'm glad it will be a full season and not one split into two like last year.
Well if the format is winners league doesn't that just mean that the first players will be revealed? I don't see too much harm in that. Too bad though, i preferred proleagues old format to the winners league format. All kill situations can be fun but they can also be a biiit boring at times.. Then again i could just be misinterpreting it completely.
only Round 2 and 5 are winners league...which also doesn't make sense.
EPT
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