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monk: Just talked to Dustin and did an interview. There's a mistake in this translation. He said in the test map, Psionic units will be unaffected by Fungal, not Neural. Also, they're looking into a lot of changes for the infestor, including removing Neural entirely in HotS. |
On November 17 2012 22:00 Jumbled wrote: I don't like it. I'd rather a change that gets away from relying on the mothership in lategame PvZ. This change to neural just makes it more important.
Yeah that's what blizzard has been doing for the past year, bandaid fix instead of design fixes. That's how we ended with the current metagame.
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On November 17 2012 22:14 Jetaap wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 22:00 Jumbled wrote: I don't like it. I'd rather a change that gets away from relying on the mothership in lategame PvZ. This change to neural just makes it more important. Yeah that's what blizzard has been doing for the past year, bandaid fix instead of design fixes. That's how we ended with the current metagame.
Isn't that what Tempests are for?
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i dont like this change about the infestor, its the root that is boring and destroys gameplay, take balance out of the picture for a second.
The infestor is a boring unit for starcraft2, adding projectile MIGHT work if they make it SLOW. The fungal removes so much strategies for everyrace, even zerg. Iam quite dissapointed, even so PvZ lategame is utterly boring also, i cant even think of why they have these supercombos of each race. That is not skill, that is memoryplay
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On November 17 2012 22:07 Blacktion wrote: All the problems T is having right now in both matchups and hes talking about 250mm cannons? Really?
Summs it up quite well. just lol.
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On November 17 2012 22:12 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 22:10 DarkLordOlli wrote: I don't actually think projectile is gonna change anything in PvZ at all... maybe TvZ. Not sure though. if it's projectile then Blink stalker will be 2x times more stronger and important? You could actually bait a fungal then blink away.
Doesn't really matter when zerg has exclusively BL/infestor. Zerg laughs at one fungal being wasted lategame. It WILL however make phoenix and warp prism harass stronger throughout the game. Other than that nothing really springs to mind. Not like you could actually micro void rays/carriers against fungal now, they're still too slow to escape.
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On November 17 2012 22:15 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 22:14 Jetaap wrote:On November 17 2012 22:00 Jumbled wrote: I don't like it. I'd rather a change that gets away from relying on the mothership in lategame PvZ. This change to neural just makes it more important. Yeah that's what blizzard has been doing for the past year, bandaid fix instead of design fixes. That's how we ended with the current metagame. Isn't that what Tempests are for?
Honestly I think that to really accomplish that they need to look at the unit that everyone completely ignores when talking about "Infestor/Brood Lord", which is the Corruptor. Vortex is still the only appropriate response to a Zerg absolutely swarming you with Corruptors if you to commit to air. That unit may be plain but it's insanely good at what it does.
Maybe the redesigned Void Ray will help.
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hmm good thing there are still some LoL champions i want to unlock, because blizzard really wants to make sure i dont ladder again anytime soon.
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On November 17 2012 22:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 22:12 Wildmoon wrote:On November 17 2012 22:10 DarkLordOlli wrote: I don't actually think projectile is gonna change anything in PvZ at all... maybe TvZ. Not sure though. if it's projectile then Blink stalker will be 2x times more stronger and important? You could actually bait a fungal then blink away. Doesn't really matter when zerg has exclusively BL/infestor. Zerg laughs at one fungal being wasted lategame. It WILL however make phoenix and warp prism harass stronger throughout the game. Other than that nothing really springs to mind. Not like you could actually micro void rays/carriers against fungal now, they're still too slow to escape.
How does BL prevent blink stalker from dodging projectile?
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On November 17 2012 22:19 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 22:15 Wildmoon wrote:On November 17 2012 22:14 Jetaap wrote:On November 17 2012 22:00 Jumbled wrote: I don't like it. I'd rather a change that gets away from relying on the mothership in lategame PvZ. This change to neural just makes it more important. Yeah that's what blizzard has been doing for the past year, bandaid fix instead of design fixes. That's how we ended with the current metagame. Isn't that what Tempests are for? Honestly I think that to really accomplish that they need to look at the unit that everyone completely ignores when talking about "Infestor/Brood Lord", which is the Corruptor. Vortex is still the only appropriate response to a Zerg absolutely swarming you with Corruptors if you to commit to air. That unit may be plain but it's insanely good at what it does. Maybe the redesigned Void Ray will help.
Well, HotS is still in beta. They will tune it until Tempest can deal with BL. I don't have beta so I don't really know how well it deal with BL right now.
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On November 17 2012 22:21 Naphal wrote: hmm good thing there are still some LoL champions i want to unlock, because blizzard really wants to make sure i dont ladder again anytime soon.
What exactly is preventing you from laddering?
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On November 17 2012 21:44 MuATaran wrote: I think I would prefer you just give MS frenzy or whatever it is called that ultras have, with it not affecting Psionic those weird Archon all ins might come back and those were just silly. The reason they give for the change is pretty funny though, MC used to complain about this but now that he doesn't any more they are gonna fix it? LOL. Zealot/Archon all ins aren't stopped by Neural parasite, they never were They're stopped by fungal + mass roach.
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On November 17 2012 22:23 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 22:21 Naphal wrote: hmm good thing there are still some LoL champions i want to unlock, because blizzard really wants to make sure i dont ladder again anytime soon. What exactly is preventing you from laddering? It just isn't fun to be forced to outplay your opponent when you can have lost all your eco and win by 1 neural parasite. So he simply decided to go back to LoL, a game that both I and him thinks fits him better
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At long last we will see archon toilet every game again, yay so fun to watch! Much better than BL/Infestor, perfect change. I don´t understand what people are complaining about, this is great, now I will win most of my 3v3 games with my vortex.
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Why is it still 2 supply? So it's still massable, just less effective fungals. But Infested Terrans still as massable for only 2 supply.
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On November 17 2012 22:21 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 22:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 17 2012 22:12 Wildmoon wrote:On November 17 2012 22:10 DarkLordOlli wrote: I don't actually think projectile is gonna change anything in PvZ at all... maybe TvZ. Not sure though. if it's projectile then Blink stalker will be 2x times more stronger and important? You could actually bait a fungal then blink away. Doesn't really matter when zerg has exclusively BL/infestor. Zerg laughs at one fungal being wasted lategame. It WILL however make phoenix and warp prism harass stronger throughout the game. Other than that nothing really springs to mind. Not like you could actually micro void rays/carriers against fungal now, they're still too slow to escape. How does BL prevent blink stalker from dodging projectile?
I don't think you're getting the point I'm trying to make. You still can't engage BL/infestor if you bait one or two fungals. Stalkers have to blink under the brood lords to avoid being blocked by broodlings. Which means there's no way to avoid fungal once you decide to engage. ==> it's exactly how it works now.
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On November 17 2012 22:24 ErAsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 22:23 Exarl25 wrote:On November 17 2012 22:21 Naphal wrote: hmm good thing there are still some LoL champions i want to unlock, because blizzard really wants to make sure i dont ladder again anytime soon. What exactly is preventing you from laddering? It just isn't fun to be forced to outplay your opponent when you can have lost all your eco and win by 1 neural parasite. So he simply decided to go back to LoL, a game that both I and him thinks fits him better
i play terran, so i am really tired of protoss and zerg arguing who is more imba, but please, do continue.
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On November 17 2012 22:29 Naphal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 22:24 ErAsc2 wrote:On November 17 2012 22:23 Exarl25 wrote:On November 17 2012 22:21 Naphal wrote: hmm good thing there are still some LoL champions i want to unlock, because blizzard really wants to make sure i dont ladder again anytime soon. What exactly is preventing you from laddering? It just isn't fun to be forced to outplay your opponent when you can have lost all your eco and win by 1 neural parasite. So he simply decided to go back to LoL, a game that both I and him thinks fits him better i play terran, so i am really tired of protoss and zerg arguing who is more imba, but please, do continue. ..."ok". So you spend your days playing LoL because you're angry at zergs beating up protosses in tournaments... even tho you don't play either race... nice
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On November 17 2012 22:33 ErAsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 22:29 Naphal wrote:On November 17 2012 22:24 ErAsc2 wrote:On November 17 2012 22:23 Exarl25 wrote:On November 17 2012 22:21 Naphal wrote: hmm good thing there are still some LoL champions i want to unlock, because blizzard really wants to make sure i dont ladder again anytime soon. What exactly is preventing you from laddering? It just isn't fun to be forced to outplay your opponent when you can have lost all your eco and win by 1 neural parasite. So he simply decided to go back to LoL, a game that both I and him thinks fits him better i play terran, so i am really tired of protoss and zerg arguing who is more imba, but please, do continue. ..."ok". So you spend your days playing LoL because you're angry at zergs beating up protosses in tournaments... even tho you don't play either race... nice
you might want to read what i wrote and what others wrote, because i did not write anything about ZvP or PvZ o.o i am thinking you originally meant another poster maybe?
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So 250mm cannon and NP are blizzard's priorities
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