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monk: Just talked to Dustin and did an interview. There's a mistake in this translation. He said in the test map, Psionic units will be unaffected by Fungal, not Neural. Also, they're looking into a lot of changes for the infestor, including removing Neural entirely in HotS.
Jetaap
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France4814 Posts
November 17 2012 13:14 GMT
#41
On November 17 2012 22:00 Jumbled wrote:
I don't like it. I'd rather a change that gets away from relying on the mothership in lategame PvZ. This change to neural just makes it more important.


Yeah that's what blizzard has been doing for the past year, bandaid fix instead of design fixes. That's how we ended with the current metagame.
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
November 17 2012 13:15 GMT
#42
NICE
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
November 17 2012 13:15 GMT
#43
On November 17 2012 22:14 Jetaap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 22:00 Jumbled wrote:
I don't like it. I'd rather a change that gets away from relying on the mothership in lategame PvZ. This change to neural just makes it more important.


Yeah that's what blizzard has been doing for the past year, bandaid fix instead of design fixes. That's how we ended with the current metagame.


Isn't that what Tempests are for?
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
November 17 2012 13:16 GMT
#44
i dont like this change about the infestor, its the root that is boring and destroys gameplay, take balance out of the picture for a second.

The infestor is a boring unit for starcraft2, adding projectile MIGHT work if they make it SLOW.
The fungal removes so much strategies for everyrace, even zerg. Iam quite dissapointed, even so PvZ lategame is utterly boring also, i cant even think of why they have these supercombos of each race. That is not skill, that is memoryplay
kinsky
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany368 Posts
November 17 2012 13:17 GMT
#45
On November 17 2012 22:07 Blacktion wrote:
All the problems T is having right now in both matchups and hes talking about 250mm cannons? Really?



Summs it up quite well. just lol.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
November 17 2012 13:19 GMT
#46
On November 17 2012 22:12 Wildmoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 22:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I don't actually think projectile is gonna change anything in PvZ at all... maybe TvZ. Not sure though.


if it's projectile then Blink stalker will be 2x times more stronger and important? You could actually bait a fungal then blink away.


Doesn't really matter when zerg has exclusively BL/infestor. Zerg laughs at one fungal being wasted lategame. It WILL however make phoenix and warp prism harass stronger throughout the game. Other than that nothing really springs to mind. Not like you could actually micro void rays/carriers against fungal now, they're still too slow to escape.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 13:20:32
November 17 2012 13:19 GMT
#47
On November 17 2012 22:15 Wildmoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 22:14 Jetaap wrote:
On November 17 2012 22:00 Jumbled wrote:
I don't like it. I'd rather a change that gets away from relying on the mothership in lategame PvZ. This change to neural just makes it more important.


Yeah that's what blizzard has been doing for the past year, bandaid fix instead of design fixes. That's how we ended with the current metagame.


Isn't that what Tempests are for?


Honestly I think that to really accomplish that they need to look at the unit that everyone completely ignores when talking about "Infestor/Brood Lord", which is the Corruptor. Vortex is still the only appropriate response to a Zerg absolutely swarming you with Corruptors if you to commit to air. That unit may be plain but it's insanely good at what it does.

Maybe the redesigned Void Ray will help.
Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
November 17 2012 13:21 GMT
#48
hmm good thing there are still some LoL champions i want to unlock, because blizzard really wants to make sure i dont ladder again anytime soon.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
November 17 2012 13:21 GMT
#49
On November 17 2012 22:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 22:12 Wildmoon wrote:
On November 17 2012 22:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I don't actually think projectile is gonna change anything in PvZ at all... maybe TvZ. Not sure though.


if it's projectile then Blink stalker will be 2x times more stronger and important? You could actually bait a fungal then blink away.


Doesn't really matter when zerg has exclusively BL/infestor. Zerg laughs at one fungal being wasted lategame. It WILL however make phoenix and warp prism harass stronger throughout the game. Other than that nothing really springs to mind. Not like you could actually micro void rays/carriers against fungal now, they're still too slow to escape.


How does BL prevent blink stalker from dodging projectile?
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 13:23:07
November 17 2012 13:22 GMT
#50
On November 17 2012 22:19 Exarl25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 22:15 Wildmoon wrote:
On November 17 2012 22:14 Jetaap wrote:
On November 17 2012 22:00 Jumbled wrote:
I don't like it. I'd rather a change that gets away from relying on the mothership in lategame PvZ. This change to neural just makes it more important.


Yeah that's what blizzard has been doing for the past year, bandaid fix instead of design fixes. That's how we ended with the current metagame.


Isn't that what Tempests are for?


Honestly I think that to really accomplish that they need to look at the unit that everyone completely ignores when talking about "Infestor/Brood Lord", which is the Corruptor. Vortex is still the only appropriate response to a Zerg absolutely swarming you with Corruptors if you to commit to air. That unit may be plain but it's insanely good at what it does.

Maybe the redesigned Void Ray will help.


Well, HotS is still in beta. They will tune it until Tempest can deal with BL. I don't have beta so I don't really know how well it deal with BL right now.
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
November 17 2012 13:23 GMT
#51
On November 17 2012 22:21 Naphal wrote:
hmm good thing there are still some LoL champions i want to unlock, because blizzard really wants to make sure i dont ladder again anytime soon.


What exactly is preventing you from laddering?
ErAsc2
Profile Joined May 2012
Sweden256 Posts
November 17 2012 13:23 GMT
#52
On November 17 2012 21:44 MuATaran wrote:
I think I would prefer you just give MS frenzy or whatever it is called that ultras have, with it not affecting Psionic those weird Archon all ins might come back and those were just silly. The reason they give for the change is pretty funny though, MC used to complain about this but now that he doesn't any more they are gonna fix it?

LOL. Zealot/Archon all ins aren't stopped by Neural parasite, they never were They're stopped by fungal + mass roach.
Swedish GM Protoss http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2336142/1/MilkEA/
ErAsc2
Profile Joined May 2012
Sweden256 Posts
November 17 2012 13:24 GMT
#53
On November 17 2012 22:23 Exarl25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 22:21 Naphal wrote:
hmm good thing there are still some LoL champions i want to unlock, because blizzard really wants to make sure i dont ladder again anytime soon.


What exactly is preventing you from laddering?

It just isn't fun to be forced to outplay your opponent when you can have lost all your eco and win by 1 neural parasite. So he simply decided to go back to LoL, a game that both I and him thinks fits him better
Swedish GM Protoss http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2336142/1/MilkEA/
Nausea
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden807 Posts
November 17 2012 13:24 GMT
#54
At long last we will see archon toilet every game again, yay so fun to watch! Much better than BL/Infestor, perfect change. I don´t understand what people are complaining about, this is great, now I will win most of my 3v3 games with my vortex.
Set it ablaze!
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
November 17 2012 13:26 GMT
#55
Why is it still 2 supply? So it's still massable, just less effective fungals. But Infested Terrans still as massable for only 2 supply.
Broodwar and Stork forever! List of BW players with most Ro16, Ro8: http://tinyurl.com/BWRo16-Ro8
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
November 17 2012 13:29 GMT
#56
On November 17 2012 22:21 Wildmoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 22:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On November 17 2012 22:12 Wildmoon wrote:
On November 17 2012 22:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I don't actually think projectile is gonna change anything in PvZ at all... maybe TvZ. Not sure though.


if it's projectile then Blink stalker will be 2x times more stronger and important? You could actually bait a fungal then blink away.


Doesn't really matter when zerg has exclusively BL/infestor. Zerg laughs at one fungal being wasted lategame. It WILL however make phoenix and warp prism harass stronger throughout the game. Other than that nothing really springs to mind. Not like you could actually micro void rays/carriers against fungal now, they're still too slow to escape.


How does BL prevent blink stalker from dodging projectile?


I don't think you're getting the point I'm trying to make. You still can't engage BL/infestor if you bait one or two fungals. Stalkers have to blink under the brood lords to avoid being blocked by broodlings. Which means there's no way to avoid fungal once you decide to engage. ==> it's exactly how it works now.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
November 17 2012 13:29 GMT
#57
On November 17 2012 22:24 ErAsc2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 22:23 Exarl25 wrote:
On November 17 2012 22:21 Naphal wrote:
hmm good thing there are still some LoL champions i want to unlock, because blizzard really wants to make sure i dont ladder again anytime soon.


What exactly is preventing you from laddering?

It just isn't fun to be forced to outplay your opponent when you can have lost all your eco and win by 1 neural parasite. So he simply decided to go back to LoL, a game that both I and him thinks fits him better


i play terran, so i am really tired of protoss and zerg arguing who is more imba, but please, do continue.
ErAsc2
Profile Joined May 2012
Sweden256 Posts
November 17 2012 13:33 GMT
#58
On November 17 2012 22:29 Naphal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 22:24 ErAsc2 wrote:
On November 17 2012 22:23 Exarl25 wrote:
On November 17 2012 22:21 Naphal wrote:
hmm good thing there are still some LoL champions i want to unlock, because blizzard really wants to make sure i dont ladder again anytime soon.


What exactly is preventing you from laddering?

It just isn't fun to be forced to outplay your opponent when you can have lost all your eco and win by 1 neural parasite. So he simply decided to go back to LoL, a game that both I and him thinks fits him better


i play terran, so i am really tired of protoss and zerg arguing who is more imba, but please, do continue.

..."ok". So you spend your days playing LoL because you're angry at zergs beating up protosses in tournaments... even tho you don't play either race... nice
Swedish GM Protoss http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2336142/1/MilkEA/
Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
November 17 2012 13:36 GMT
#59
On November 17 2012 22:33 ErAsc2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 22:29 Naphal wrote:
On November 17 2012 22:24 ErAsc2 wrote:
On November 17 2012 22:23 Exarl25 wrote:
On November 17 2012 22:21 Naphal wrote:
hmm good thing there are still some LoL champions i want to unlock, because blizzard really wants to make sure i dont ladder again anytime soon.


What exactly is preventing you from laddering?

It just isn't fun to be forced to outplay your opponent when you can have lost all your eco and win by 1 neural parasite. So he simply decided to go back to LoL, a game that both I and him thinks fits him better


i play terran, so i am really tired of protoss and zerg arguing who is more imba, but please, do continue.

..."ok". So you spend your days playing LoL because you're angry at zergs beating up protosses in tournaments... even tho you don't play either race... nice


you might want to read what i wrote and what others wrote, because i did not write anything about ZvP or PvZ o.o
i am thinking you originally meant another poster maybe?
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
November 17 2012 13:37 GMT
#60
So 250mm cannon and NP are blizzard's priorities
Terran & Potato Salad.
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