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Goody quits EPS since ESL isnt paying prize money - Page 9
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bioboyAT
Austria1762 Posts
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kinglemon
Germany199 Posts
On October 31 2012 09:49 DarKFoRcE wrote: The thing is, the players are the ones that can do the least. They kinda have to pay their employees, but players there is enough replacement  but it's very bad marketing for them and it is backfiring. they should treat the players like kings, because they spread the word and not the employers. | ||
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methematics
United States392 Posts
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Uni1987
Netherlands642 Posts
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On October 31 2012 16:57 smokeyhoodoo wrote: Sounds like they're broke. don´t think so. It´s a part of their business plan to keep and work with the prize money as long as possible. | ||
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Eisregen
Germany967 Posts
On October 31 2012 17:42 kinglemon wrote: but it's very bad marketing for them and it is backfiring. they should treat the players like kings, because they spread the word and not the employers. Nothing like this will happen. Bad marketing...and backfiring? lolz... There are/where so many tournies out there with late or no payments at all and in fact nothing happened and nothing will happen to them. Theywill just keep on running their tournaments | ||
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yoshi7319
76 Posts
if esl ever wants to cut down expenses and save money I suggest they get rid of those terrible "hosts" they have whenever they´re casting offline deciders/cupfinals from their own studio like last weekend. i get the idea of "production value" and putting on stuff inbetween games, but these two (the woman especially, sorry)...quite awkward, little knowledge. | ||
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Gr33d
Germany423 Posts
The german EPS is pretty low priority nowadays, so maybe the teams should start their own league. Just look at ESC, Alternate or Mouz. They have pretty much all the big names in the german scene under contract, like Socke,Hasu,Darkforce,Goody or Cloud. Sponsor a own league, boycott the EPS, provide money that gets paid much faster and the other known players will follow. Now that TaKe is independant they can even hire him for the casting/production and their audience would not be smaller, as he provides the german casting for EPS anyway. With a much better (maybe even bigger?) tournament they would even have a improved way to show off their sponsors. The situation in germany because of the casting and "gaminghouse" provides by TaKe is so good (the players visit him often anyway) that its a shame its not used to its full potential in such circumstances. | ||
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RouaF
France4120 Posts
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SinCitta
Germany2127 Posts
On October 31 2012 20:13 yoshi7319 wrote: slightly offtopic: if esl ever wants to cut down expenses and save money I suggest they get rid of those terrible "hosts" they have whenever they´re casting offline deciders/cupfinals from their own studio like last weekend. i get the idea of "production value" and putting on stuff inbetween games, but these two (the woman especially, sorry)...quite awkward, little knowledge. They already cut every host except those two. And they have both a Counter-Strike background. ESLTV's SC2 department seems to be English only. The host's job is to get the players talking and the woman's job is to interact with the community, but nonetheless they really should get more insight into SC2 and its scene. Worst moment: "Erm... there will be a Zerg... patch... What does the community think? Will it make Zerg more... playable and stronger than how it is now?" - about the Heart of the Swarm expansion. | ||
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Nihilnovi
Sweden696 Posts
In Sweden, if a company owes you any amount of $, you can file a request with the bankruptcy bureau if they refuse to pay(only if you have solid grounds for demanding payment), and the government will force the company to pay, and if they don't they declare them bankrupt. Is there no such thing that can be done in regards to the ESL? These scammers shouldn't be allowed to operate. | ||
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cost2010
Germany46 Posts
On October 31 2012 09:37 SpikeStarcraft wrote: Well since there is a legal obligation in Germany to publish the annual statement of a company, you can look it up at www.bundesanzeiger.de if you search for Turtle Entertainment. Its only in german, dunno if a google translation would work. [...] Thats the newest information you can find on the web, no idea how it developed the past two years. the penalty for not publishing your annual statement in a timely manner is ultimately capped at 25,000€ - that's low enough that many companies don't publish their annual statements as a matter of policy (usually because they don't want to make information about their financial health, R&D expenses, ... available to competitors). | ||
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TurboMaN
Germany925 Posts
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havox_
Germany442 Posts
On October 31 2012 20:33 Nihilnovi wrote: I don't understand, doesn't Germany have any bankruptcy laws? In Sweden, if a company owes you any amount of $, you can file a request with the bankruptcy bureau if they refuse to pay(only if you have solid grounds for demanding payment), and the government will force the company to pay, and if they don't they declare them bankrupt. Is there no such thing that can be done in regards to the ESL? These scammers shouldn't be allowed to operate. of course there is such law. and if you would sue them they would probably pay these peanuts $xk, make more debts somewhere else and go on =) but as DF said, this is the case since forever with TE. Let's just wait until Intel stops shipping them IEM money and they'll finally go down. (and no, I don't think the world needs them anymore. they did good work in the past - like long long ago - but their events arent just that premier anymore, their website suxx big time and ...) | ||
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Atrimex
193 Posts
On October 31 2012 20:29 SinCitta wrote: They already cut every host except those two. And they have both a Counter-Strike background. ESLTV's SC2 department seems to be English only. The host's job is to get the players talking and the woman's job is to interact with the community, but nonetheless they really should get more insight into SC2 and its scene. Worst moment: "Erm... there will be a Zerg... patch... What does the community think? Will it make Zerg more... playable and stronger than how it is now?" - about the Heart of the Swarm expansion. My impression was the total opposite. They had a very high production value for a 5.000 viewer show. Maybe too high. | ||
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Atrimex
193 Posts
On October 31 2012 09:17 DarKFoRcE wrote: Yes. The german EPS is very good for us german players, without it i think we would be worse off. I actually think Goody will continue to play EPS, he was probably just angry. and he was not angry about the EPS. I think there is a bigger problem then not paid prizemoney. Its called zerg ;-) | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
On October 31 2012 20:33 Nihilnovi wrote: I don't understand, doesn't Germany have any bankruptcy laws? In Sweden, if a company owes you any amount of $, you can file a request with the bankruptcy bureau if they refuse to pay(only if you have solid grounds for demanding payment), and the government will force the company to pay, and if they don't they declare them bankrupt. Is there no such thing that can be done in regards to the ESL? These scammers shouldn't be allowed to operate. If you would go to a lawyer you will get your money inkstand. Thats how they all do it. Who serious complain get his money who dont have to wait even longer. Because many people are lazy and are afraid of sue someone it pays out. The question is if they make tournaments with prizemoney they dont have. If they indeed pay of old depts with money from new events, this is only against business law, its a crime you go into jail for. What i just dont get is why so many people let them do it. Call them out in their own shows all the time say you sue them after they dont pay one day over limit. It does not even cost you money because they have to pay your lawyer not you. You will see you are allays the first one who gets paid. | ||
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Sandermatt
Switzerland1365 Posts
On October 31 2012 21:27 skeldark wrote: If you would go to a lawyer you will get your money inkstand. Thats how they all do it. Who serious complain get his money who dont have to wait even longer. Because many people are lazy and are afraid of sue someone it pays out. The question is if they make tournaments with prizemoney they dont have. If they indeed pay of old depts with money from new events this is only against business rules its a crime you go into jail for. What i just dont get is why so many people let them do it. Call them out in their own shows all the time say you sue them after they dont pay one day over limit. It does not even cost you money because they have to pay your lawyer not you. You will see you are allays the first one who gets paid. I guess the problem is that the prizes are small enough, that suing them costs more than you might get from them. I guess they only need to pay the lawyer once you are sucesful, not? (and it might also take some time to do the paperwork) | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
On October 31 2012 21:30 Sandermatt wrote: I guess the problem is that the prizes are small enough, that suing them costs more than you might get from them. Especially if you involve a lawyer. Its not you who have to pay that. Its them. You never go to court with that. They know they have to pay court too in this case. So you let your lawyer write one letter and they send you the money next day and the money for the lawyer too. They just try and hope you dont complain. Most people dont so it pays out for them. | ||
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
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