EPTAll members when joining a community know the CoC and the rules, if they dont, they're dropped. Either way if someone BM's they themselves show their personal attitude/personality. Like any fanatics, there are people who wear tags and act inappropriate but in the end it goes to them, as they're the ones making themselves look bad. Not the team. That is where the staff comes in and quells a situation before it escalates. The FXO staff are fully aware of this situation and deal with it properly and swiftly. So that when Sponsors do look at the team and the community, nothing bad if something does happen, wont be substantial.
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bullseyel
United States52 Posts
All members when joining a community know the CoC and the rules, if they dont, they're dropped. Either way if someone BM's they themselves show their personal attitude/personality. Like any fanatics, there are people who wear tags and act inappropriate but in the end it goes to them, as they're the ones making themselves look bad. Not the team. That is where the staff comes in and quells a situation before it escalates. The FXO staff are fully aware of this situation and deal with it properly and swiftly. So that when Sponsors do look at the team and the community, nothing bad if something does happen, wont be substantial. | ||
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KiF1rE
United States964 Posts
On October 31 2012 07:10 bullseyel wrote: Cost is nothing if the community is willing. The community itself donates, from what The Legion Gaming Community has done for most previous tournaments that include prizes. Members donated money or prizes such as steam games or visa cards etc for prizes. War eagle is right, its all about the commitment of the players/staff and community. To feel part of it in some way. Thats why we do so much for the academy and the community because we want people to feel involved and appreciated. We want them to be committed, so with them donating prizes, or money it proves their commitment. All members when joining a community know the CoC and the rules, if they dont, they're dropped. Either way if someone BM's they themselves show their personal attitude/personality. Like any fanatics, there are people who wear tags and act inappropriate but in the end it goes to them, as they're the ones making themselves look bad. Not the team. That is where the staff comes in and quells a situation before it escalates. The FXO staff are fully aware of this situation and deal with it properly and swiftly. So that when Sponsors do look at the team and the community, nothing bad if something does happen, wont be substantial. seems like you guys truly have most of it figured out then. Just wish other teams would follow suit and open up open signup academy type environments. | ||
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Zennith
United States795 Posts
On October 31 2012 07:32 KiF1rE wrote: seems like you guys truly have most of it figured out then. Just wish other teams would follow suit and open up open signup academy type environments. Agreed. There's also the question of - how do mid-level teams make the step up? How do they increase their brand and awareness? Is it solely based on results? | ||
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bullseyel
United States52 Posts
Like i said before, if MLG or ESEA or GSL or NASL had a league JUST FOR academies or amatuer teams, there would be so many people wanting to join because of their own personal ego, being able to be recognized and possibly be noticed by the pro teams. | ||
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Zennith
United States795 Posts
On October 31 2012 08:14 bullseyel wrote: thats where teamleagues come in. Thats also where sponsors and esports must come in to play. Like i said before, if MLG or ESEA or GSL or NASL had a league JUST FOR academies or amatuer teams, there would be so many people wanting to join because of their own personal ego, being able to be recognized and possibly be noticed by the pro teams. True statment. Which is why I have so much respect for IPL and the way they run their tournament. Hell, my team got cast by their main casters, and that was pretty awesome. I hope more leagues follow that model. | ||
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Bourne
United Kingdom152 Posts
On October 31 2012 05:43 SniXSniPe wrote: lolwut As far as I'm aware there are no academies offering something like that, unless you get promoted to the main team. Yes, sorry your correct. | ||
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WarEagle
United States130 Posts
On October 31 2012 07:49 Zennith wrote: Agreed. There's also the question of - how do mid-level teams make the step up? How do they increase their brand and awareness? Is it solely based on results? That question is truly dependent upon the team owner. If the owner wants to take their team to the next level, they are going to need some sort of capital investment, and even then it will be a big gamble. The only other way would be to somehow create a one in a million team/community that has 'something' that no one else does and is so unique it takes off from the ground up. But those don't happen very often. I know that may sound ironic coming from me (for those of who don't know I ran SC2Clans.org and really tried to promote independent teams and help them break into the scene), but the one thing I learned from that experience is that it's really hard. And if a situation like the one we have been discussing came to be, it would be even harder for those mid-level teams to grow without a very serious and committed (mentally and financially) owner willing to try to make it work, because let's face it, what great up and coming player wouldn't just join a professional academy if they thought they had a shot of going pro? On October 31 2012 08:14 bullseyel wrote: thats where teamleagues come in. Thats also where sponsors and esports must come in to play. Like i said before, if MLG or ESEA or GSL or NASL had a league JUST FOR academies or amatuer teams, there would be so many people wanting to join because of their own personal ego, being able to be recognized and possibly be noticed by the pro teams. This, this would be the only shot a mid-level team would have of breaking into the scene. Honestly I have no idea why more well known leagues haven't created a space for the amateur level (w/ the exception of ESEA and IPL, but those still are aimed at rather high level talent). And you can argue that the money isn't there and no one would care or pay attention and therefore it would make no money, but I don't buy it. There is no need to have a major production (or any) for amateur leagues, it just needs a structure and to be held by a major brand. Just look at sites like z33k.com and Playhem. They work because there are tournaments there every day for everyone. It's simple, fair and fun and it thrives. Let the community itself worry about setting up casters and streams everything else on their own accord. MLG has the infrastructure in place w/ SC2 Battles but it is LARGELY unused. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but if MLG setup an amateur tournament league spread across all the skill levels I don't see how it couldn't become hugely popular and actually be successful in bringing in more users to the site. I mean isn't that what they want? Who knows? It probably all boils down to the old adage 'what came first the chicken or the egg?' It all sounds great to everyone but no one wants to be the first to take the leap. Which is why I'm saying it starts with the brand name teams. Just create a forum section on your websites and let your fans build it, overseeing it along the way of course, and see where it goes. I think people would be surprised. | ||
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BabyToss!
Czech Republic588 Posts
The Academy team leagues would be awesome. But for that, we actually need some more Academy teams. That is something, which needs to come first, before anything else. If it's worth the time investment; well, I would say it is. It's a growth of this game and this community. Do we have people willing to do this? Well, that's an entirelly different question.  | ||
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robzgod
78 Posts
Formal Sponsorship Guidelines: http://www.vvv-gaming.com/ei/sponsorships Aspire (Academy): http://www.vvv-gaming.com/forum/topic/57069-vvv-gaming-announces-aspire-the-starcraft-learning-consortium/ SC2 Community Application: http://www.vvv-gaming.com/forum/forum/743-starcraft-2-community-applications/ Community Members List: http://www.vvv-gaming.com/forum/topic/47940-vvv-members-list/ | ||
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bullseyel
United States52 Posts
On October 31 2012 11:23 robzgod wrote: vVv Gaming is exactly this. We just don't get much attention because of an unknown misconception that people have about us within the greater eSports community. Formal Sponsorship Guidelines: http://www.vvv-gaming.com/ei/sponsorships Aspire (Academy): http://www.vvv-gaming.com/forum/topic/57069-vvv-gaming-announces-aspire-the-starcraft-learning-consortium/ SC2 Community Application: http://www.vvv-gaming.com/forum/forum/743-starcraft-2-community-applications/ Community Members List: http://www.vvv-gaming.com/forum/topic/47940-vvv-members-list/ I think it all comes down to the teams/academies coming together, either forming their own teamleagues... Like having a P2P system for teams that = the prize or donations from said teams/supports/communities.and or Esports, supporting the amateur teams into having leagues of their own. Since there are others, there might not be many but they're there. | ||
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Zennith
United States795 Posts
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bullseyel
United States52 Posts
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robzgod
78 Posts
On October 31 2012 11:51 bullseyel wrote: I think it all comes down to the teams/academies coming together, either forming their own teamleagues... Like having a P2P system for teams that = the prize or donations from said teams/supports/communities.and or Esports, supporting the amateur teams into having leagues of their own. Since there are others, there might not be many but they're there. We're completely open to any type of collaboration with other aspiring players and teams, it's just about finding a structure that fits all of the organizations models. I like this idea though, it would definitely help with some of the challenges that aspirational organizations tend to face. | ||
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robzgod
78 Posts
On October 31 2012 12:06 bullseyel wrote: What kind of investment? Time, money? thats the only factors I can think of. Time, The academies are already committed into doing something like this. If they werent, the academies wouldnt exist. Money, like i said, the communites/Academies/Teams do it themselves. If were lucky, MLG, ESEA, etc put for the prize. From the hints that I've seen from Sundance and Adam around next Season (ESFI/Forbes Interviews and Twitter), MLG is considering a North American only team league. Definitely not out of the question. | ||
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bullseyel
United States52 Posts
On October 31 2012 12:07 robzgod wrote: From the hints that I've seen from Sundance and Adam around next Season (ESFI/Forbes Interviews and Twitter), MLG is considering a North American only team league. Definitely not out of the question. But then there comes the question of, are the pro teams going to take over, like they do with ESEA Open team leagues. Or are they going to have two separate team leagues for the pro and amateur? | ||
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robzgod
78 Posts
On October 31 2012 12:19 bullseyel wrote: But then there comes the question of, are the pro teams going to take over, like they do with ESEA Open team leagues. Or are they going to have two separate team leagues for the pro and amateur? I doubt they'd separate it, but it would be a step in the right direction. Creates more opportunities for amateurs to have break outs. | ||
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Zennith
United States795 Posts
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KiF1rE
United States964 Posts
On October 31 2012 12:19 bullseyel wrote: But then there comes the question of, are the pro teams going to take over, like they do with ESEA Open team leagues. Or are they going to have two separate team leagues for the pro and amateur? and what would be a NA only team league, Quantic fielding theSTC, light fielding SSON, and everyother NA team fielding the massive list of koreans. and the question is what is amateur? I know IPL tries to define that with their stuff, $1k in live SC2 events... Unfortunately I'm classified as pro lol... So that doesnt help me much when it comes to trying to get my career off the ground in SC2. Ive always laughed at how many notable sc2 pros are considered amateurs by that definition as well, while I'm just like uhhh really? But even with team leagues, that means I have to find a dedicated decent team as well to actually play with that just plain doesnt get rofl stomped against unknowns or stops showing up =/ But most amateur leagues no one cares... Even playhem dailies have a massive negative stigma around them... Such as everyone seeming to believe that playhem dailies are so easy if your good as there isnt any talent playing them at all... such a big misconception, you have players like tails, crank,terious, mvp, revival, sting, crane, and several other koreans, not to mention the notable foreigners that frequent that... Even going on the side of my prize money winnings that gets me classified as pro by IPL, All those tournaments, and yet 0 exposure lol. The only people that know me are the people that have dealt with me directly. Sure some teams will comment on a lan win on twitter, or some people will be like gj, But no one really tunes into my stream or offers a spot on even an amateur team, unless I go way out of my way =/ but big teams will sure be happy to take my former teammates lol... | ||
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Zennith
United States795 Posts
On October 31 2012 13:47 KiF1rE wrote: and what would be a NA only team league, Quantic fielding theSTC, light fielding SSON, and everyother NA team fielding the massive list of koreans. and the question is what is amateur? I know IPL tries to define that with their stuff, $1k in live SC2 events... Unfortunately I'm classified as pro lol... So that doesnt help me much when it comes to trying to get my career off the ground in SC2. Ive always laughed at how many notable sc2 pros are considered amateurs by that definition as well, while I'm just like uhhh really? But even with team leagues, that means I have to find a dedicated decent team as well to actually play with that just plain doesnt get rofl stomped against unknowns or stops showing up =/ But most amateur leagues no one cares... Even playhem dailies have a massive negative stigma around them... Such as everyone seeming to believe that playhem dailies are so easy if your good as there isnt any talent playing them at all... such a big misconception, you have players like tails, crank,terious, mvp, revival, sting, crane, and several other koreans, not to mention the notable foreigners that frequent that... Maybe I'm a bad guy, but hell, I run team that's lasted for over a year, making several playoffs and playing in every team league possible. Teams are out there. They just need exposure. Hell, I've played you on ladder a number of times!  | ||
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Sanobot
Germany35 Posts
I would love the idea of people (like myself) competing for a spot in the TL-noobsquad or participate in clan war games and so on. Just something to like close the gap between the teams we all follow and love competing in the tourneys and well us noobs on the other end of the skill-scale | ||
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