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Existential
Australia2107 Posts
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elKaDor
Sweden376 Posts
On October 25 2012 09:47 rysecake wrote: bw makes sc2 look like the sims. See what i did there? ROFL u say that LoL has the same skill-ceiling as the sims? U know, that SC2 is a really noobfriendly game yes? Things that took YEARS in BW to be good at they made Auto in SC2. i understand all these transitions cuz SC2 aint even close to a good game | ||
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dragonsuper
Liechtenstein222 Posts
The problem here is the money goes where spectators are... and SC2 is boring so no spectators there anymore. They could have supported BW more instead of forcing kespa to come to sc2. Players cannot save a game that is boring by design. Designers of Colossi ,ball of death ,clumping, anti micro spells , superdamage units, are really the sole responsible of this crysis. | ||
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Krogan
Sweden375 Posts
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
On October 25 2012 10:26 markrevival wrote: as Artosis said, never before has all of the world's RTS talent been playing one single game. e-e-e-except what about BW? | ||
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expellist
Singapore7 Posts
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
On October 25 2012 19:31 dragonsuper wrote: Actually the difficulty in LOL is the sinergy of the team, not certainly the mechanics. The problem here is the money goes where spectators are... and SC2 is boring so no spectators there anymore. They could have supported BW more instead of forcing kespa to come to sc2. Players cannot save a game that is boring by design. Designers of Colossi ,ball of death ,clumping, anti micro spells , superdamage units, are really the sole responsible of this crysis. The only viewers LoL gets are the people that play the game. I am sure a ton of people watch sc2 even tough they don't play it. I still have to meet the first non-LoL player that actually likes the game. I gave it a chance, a ton of my friends gave it a chance, and guess what? It's so damn boring. The teamplay can be nice to watch, but the individual skill is just not special. Let me explain why I think that fps games like counterstrike are much more suited to be an esportsgame: in counterstrike there are 2 things that can make you excited: 1) the teamplay (LoL has this, good), 2) the individual skill (aim, reaction time, movement, clutches) (LoL doesn't have this at all imo). When I watch sc2 I can be really amazed by a player's speed, genius moves and builds, insane unit control, sick macro, etc. When I watch counterstrike I can be really amazed by a player's aim and movement, and by teamplay. I don't have that feeling with LoL, and I am not alone. You talk about spectators leaving sc2? I don't agree at all. Look at recent tournament views, it's still insane. LoL has bigger viewers, I agree, but LoL is also a much more casual game. Isn't it logical that more people prefer casual games over the hard games? What do you want when you come home from a whole day of work? A game that requires sick speed, thinking and dedication or a game that requires only 10% of that? Look around you try to find someone with a competitive soul. You will notice that 80% of the people are 1) not competitive at all, 2) unable to take losses. Conclusion: LoL has more viewers because it has more players because it is much more casual and easier. Does this mean that sc2 is boring and dead? Crysis? Because a few players are leaving sc2? What about 100+ kespa players moving to sc2? What about flash already providing us sick games, only after a few months of playing? | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Games can coexist, especially if they are so different. And if it is poker or LoL, both means you failed and you will move on to make more money. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
age of empires 2 was quite big at that time. | ||
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don_kyuhote
3006 Posts
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niilzon
Belgium105 Posts
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Rorra
Australia1066 Posts
Guess you cant blame sC for switching, just look at the opportunity for pros in LoL. doesn't mean i have to like it  | ||
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HeroHenry
United States1723 Posts
On October 25 2012 21:31 Snowbear wrote: The only viewers LoL gets are the people that play the game. I am sure a ton of people watch sc2 even tough they don't play it. I still have to meet the first non-LoL player that actually likes the game. I gave it a chance, a ton of my friends gave it a chance, and guess what? It's so damn boring. The teamplay can be nice to watch, but the individual skill is just not special. Let me explain why I think that fps games like counterstrike are much more suited to be an esportsgame: in counterstrike there are 2 things that can make you excited: 1) the teamplay (LoL has this, good), 2) the individual skill (aim, reaction time, movement, clutches) (LoL doesn't have this at all imo). When I watch sc2 I can be really amazed by a player's speed, genius moves and builds, insane unit control, sick macro, etc. When I watch counterstrike I can be really amazed by a player's aim and movement, and by teamplay. I don't have that feeling with LoL, and I am not alone. You talk about spectators leaving sc2? I don't agree at all. Look at recent tournament views, it's still insane. LoL has bigger viewers, I agree, but LoL is also a much more casual game. Isn't it logical that more people prefer casual games over the hard games? What do you want when you come home from a whole day of work? A game that requires sick speed, thinking and dedication or a game that requires only 10% of that? Look around you try to find someone with a competitive soul. You will notice that 80% of the people are 1) not competitive at all, 2) unable to take losses. Conclusion: LoL has more viewers because it has more players because it is much more casual and easier. Does this mean that sc2 is boring and dead? Crysis? Because a few players are leaving sc2? What about 100+ kespa players moving to sc2? What about flash already providing us sick games, only after a few months of playing? A lot of people don't play, but they watch doesn't really seem like all that. Starcraft 2 can't even break 50k veiwers... | ||
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Stye
Poland40 Posts
On October 25 2012 19:31 dragonsuper wrote: and SC2 is boring so no spectators there anymore. This is the stupidest and most ignorant thing I've heard in a while. It's not even worth pointing out on how many levels you're wrong. It's even more stupid than mindless Jessica bashing COMBINED with writing to sponsors with any minor offence you supposedly had. People are lowering the bar of ignorance (or raising?) on ever increasing speed ever since we've got MOBA people waging a holy war of how their game is the best in the world. James Cameron, save SC2. | ||
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dragonsuper
Liechtenstein222 Posts
On October 25 2012 21:56 Stye wrote: This is the stupidest and most ignorant thing I've heard in a while. It's not even worth pointing out on how many levels you're wrong. It's even more stupid than mindless Jessica bashing COMBINED with writing to sponsors with any minor offence you supposedly had. People are lowering the bar of ignorance (or raising?) on ever increasing speed ever since we've got MOBA people waging a holy war of how their game is the best in the world. James Cameron, save SC2. You really don't want to understand after 2 years of WOL. No problem, we'll see after Heart of Boredom will come out, eventually even YOU will agree with what's already happening from some time. | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On October 25 2012 21:53 HeroHenry wrote: A lot of people don't play, but they watch doesn't really seem like all that. Starcraft 2 can't even break 50k veiwers... Even Dreamhack Bucharest (a rather minor event with close to no big names in attendance) broke 50k. We had WCS Europe a while ago, exceeding 120k. So maybe, just maybe, don't talk out of your ass? Why is it that there are so many sore, depressed ex-BWfanbois-turned-LoLfanbois here spouting nonsense all week? It's getting annoying. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On October 25 2012 13:58 Tal wrote: It is mechanically easier, and the items/abilities are more straightforward. That means the game is easier to start playing, but doesn't mean it's easier at a high level - as players can improve in non-mechanical ways. Less focus on mechanics means more focus on decision making/tactics/strategy/timing etc. Every tournament shows the huge room for improvement - even the winning team of LOL's season 2 championships could do a lot to improve their team fights. You do realize that lots of the LoL pros are players that failed miserably at going pro in HON/DOTA right? Chu was a great HON player but never could compete with the top of DOTA, in a month he became the best LoL player. Mechanically easier = easier. BW is harder than SC2. DOTA is harder the LoL. Stop all this different game, different skills BS; that's the biggest and most laughable cop out. I've played DOTA, HON, DOTA2 and LoL. LoL is objectively the easiest of them all. | ||
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
On October 25 2012 21:31 Snowbear wrote: The only viewers LoL gets are the people that play the game. I am sure a ton of people watch sc2 even tough they don't play it. I still have to meet the first non-LoL player that actually likes the game. I gave it a chance, a ton of my friends gave it a chance, and guess what? It's so damn boring. The teamplay can be nice to watch, but the individual skill is just not special. Let me explain why I think that fps games like counterstrike are much more suited to be an esportsgame: in counterstrike there are 2 things that can make you excited: 1) the teamplay (LoL has this, good), 2) the individual skill (aim, reaction time, movement, clutches) (LoL doesn't have this at all imo). When I watch sc2 I can be really amazed by a player's speed, genius moves and builds, insane unit control, sick macro, etc. When I watch counterstrike I can be really amazed by a player's aim and movement, and by teamplay. I don't have that feeling with LoL, and I am not alone. You talk about spectators leaving sc2? I don't agree at all. Look at recent tournament views, it's still insane. LoL has bigger viewers, I agree, but LoL is also a much more casual game. Isn't it logical that more people prefer casual games over the hard games? What do you want when you come home from a whole day of work? A game that requires sick speed, thinking and dedication or a game that requires only 10% of that? Look around you try to find someone with a competitive soul. You will notice that 80% of the people are 1) not competitive at all, 2) unable to take losses. Conclusion: LoL has more viewers because it has more players because it is much more casual and easier. Does this mean that sc2 is boring and dead? Crysis? Because a few players are leaving sc2? What about 100+ kespa players moving to sc2? What about flash already providing us sick games, only after a few months of playing? SC2 is tons tons better than LoL for spectators. No doubt of that. Thats why I play LoL but watch exclusively starcraft. But that doesn't mean your theory works. Here is why: LoL viewership has a potential to grow. New players come and some of them will watch tournaments. SC2 viewership has little to no potential to grow. No matter how awesome it is. Because people can't just stumble on it, they really need to experience it themselves. I for instance tried to follow American football and Baseball cause they're so famous but in-existent in our country. I couldn't. I learned some rules but it didn't help. So is sc2, a person can't just start watching unless he played it. Therefore casual gaming is very important for modern games to sustain their success. Most of current SC2 spectators came from brood war, and just follow SC2 cause they got no alternative. And we're stuck here. But due to aging, most of gonna be leaving and SC2 community will start dwindling. Which is basically death of the game. | ||
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Antyee
Hungary1011 Posts
On October 25 2012 22:07 ACrow wrote: Even Dreamhack Bucharest (a rather minor event with close to no big names in attendance) broke 50k. We had WCS Europe a while ago, exceeding 120k. So maybe, just maybe, don't talk out of your ass? Why is it that there are so many sore, depressed ex-BWfanbois-turned-LoLfanbois here spouting nonsense all week? It's getting annoying. You should check these threads, and actually read the comments. Most of the comments are retarded MOBA-haters writing nonsense or bragging about how much more skill SC requires. And DH Bucharest didn't break 50k. At least people were posting a lot about how DH had less viewers than a single LoL player (Oddone with 20-25k). On October 25 2012 22:14 SupLilSon wrote: You do realize that lots of the LoL pros are players that failed miserably at going pro in HON/DOTA right? Chu was a great HON player but never could compete with the top of DOTA, in a month he became the best LoL player. Shame non of this is true. Chu hasn't done anything in LoL apart from grinding soloQ and failing in real competition with his team. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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