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Existential
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2107 Posts
October 25 2012 10:02 GMT
#381
Good luck to his LoL career in the future. Not surprised he's switching at all.
Jaedong <3 | BW - The first game I ever loved
elKaDor
Profile Joined April 2009
Sweden376 Posts
October 25 2012 10:22 GMT
#382
On October 25 2012 09:47 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 09:46 Swish 41 wrote:
On October 25 2012 09:44 Malpractice.248 wrote:
On October 25 2012 09:39 dArkko wrote:
On October 24 2012 18:11 Noruxas wrote:
Call up Nestea, we need to go back in time and make sure LoL never existed.


xD

Fuck ! so much korean switching to this noob game : /

And its noob because...?


I hope you are kidding. League of Casuals has the same Skill-Ceiling as "The Sims" ...


bw makes sc2 look like the sims. See what i did there?


ROFL u say that LoL has the same skill-ceiling as the sims?

U know, that SC2 is a really noobfriendly game yes? Things that took YEARS in BW to be good at they made Auto in SC2.

i understand all these transitions cuz SC2 aint even close to a good game
dragonsuper
Profile Joined October 2010
Liechtenstein222 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-25 10:54:33
October 25 2012 10:31 GMT
#383
Actually the difficulty in LOL is the sinergy of the team, not certainly the mechanics.

The problem here is the money goes where spectators are... and SC2 is boring so no spectators there anymore.

They could have supported BW more instead of forcing kespa to come to sc2.

Players cannot save a game that is boring by design.

Designers of Colossi ,ball of death ,clumping, anti micro spells , superdamage units, are really the sole responsible of this crysis.

lol
Krogan
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden375 Posts
October 25 2012 11:09 GMT
#384
Don't really see this as a big problem, it is nice that pro gamers now have an option to play a different kind of game as pro's. Maybe Sc was never that suited for starcraft. Do people really think that a few has-been mid level sc2 pro's switch games?
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
October 25 2012 11:45 GMT
#385
On October 25 2012 10:26 markrevival wrote:

as Artosis said, never before has all of the world's RTS talent been playing one single game.

e-e-e-except what about BW?
The heart's eternal vow
expellist
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore7 Posts
October 25 2012 12:19 GMT
#386
sC is born to play SC man. Who else does? Lol.
Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-25 12:32:18
October 25 2012 12:31 GMT
#387
On October 25 2012 19:31 dragonsuper wrote:
Actually the difficulty in LOL is the sinergy of the team, not certainly the mechanics.

The problem here is the money goes where spectators are... and SC2 is boring so no spectators there anymore.

They could have supported BW more instead of forcing kespa to come to sc2.

Players cannot save a game that is boring by design.

Designers of Colossi ,ball of death ,clumping, anti micro spells , superdamage units, are really the sole responsible of this crysis.



The only viewers LoL gets are the people that play the game. I am sure a ton of people watch sc2 even tough they don't play it.

I still have to meet the first non-LoL player that actually likes the game. I gave it a chance, a ton of my friends gave it a chance, and guess what? It's so damn boring. The teamplay can be nice to watch, but the individual skill is just not special.

Let me explain why I think that fps games like counterstrike are much more suited to be an esportsgame: in counterstrike there are 2 things that can make you excited: 1) the teamplay (LoL has this, good), 2) the individual skill (aim, reaction time, movement, clutches) (LoL doesn't have this at all imo).

When I watch sc2 I can be really amazed by a player's speed, genius moves and builds, insane unit control, sick macro, etc. When I watch counterstrike I can be really amazed by a player's aim and movement, and by teamplay. I don't have that feeling with LoL, and I am not alone.

You talk about spectators leaving sc2? I don't agree at all. Look at recent tournament views, it's still insane. LoL has bigger viewers, I agree, but LoL is also a much more casual game. Isn't it logical that more people prefer casual games over the hard games? What do you want when you come home from a whole day of work? A game that requires sick speed, thinking and dedication or a game that requires only 10% of that? Look around you try to find someone with a competitive soul. You will notice that 80% of the people are 1) not competitive at all, 2) unable to take losses. Conclusion: LoL has more viewers because it has more players because it is much more casual and easier. Does this mean that sc2 is boring and dead?

Crysis? Because a few players are leaving sc2? What about 100+ kespa players moving to sc2? What about flash already providing us sick games, only after a few months of playing?
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
October 25 2012 12:42 GMT
#388
Well I am sure some people that don't play LoL watch it. But I kinda have to admit that I can't get into watching LoL, while I did watch counterstrike when it was sheduled before or after warcraft 3.
Games can coexist, especially if they are so different. And if it is poker or LoL, both means you failed and you will move on to make more money.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
October 25 2012 12:44 GMT
#389
On October 25 2012 20:45 PVJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 10:26 markrevival wrote:

as Artosis said, never before has all of the world's RTS talent been playing one single game.

e-e-e-except what about BW?



age of empires 2 was quite big at that time.
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3007 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-25 12:47:32
October 25 2012 12:45 GMT
#390
People can talk about LoL's difficulty or casualness all they want. Having only played Dota/Dota2 when it comes to MOBA, LoL doesn't interest me one bit. But you cannot deny that the amount of people that play/watch LoL is enormous and they do, for whatever reason, find that game entertaining.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
niilzon
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium105 Posts
October 25 2012 12:48 GMT
#391
This is really worrying. No other word available for me.
Rorra
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1066 Posts
October 25 2012 12:51 GMT
#392
and the dominoes keep falling, sad times.

Guess you cant blame sC for switching, just look at the opportunity for pros in LoL. doesn't mean i have to like it
HeroHenry
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1723 Posts
October 25 2012 12:53 GMT
#393
On October 25 2012 21:31 Snowbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 19:31 dragonsuper wrote:
Actually the difficulty in LOL is the sinergy of the team, not certainly the mechanics.

The problem here is the money goes where spectators are... and SC2 is boring so no spectators there anymore.

They could have supported BW more instead of forcing kespa to come to sc2.

Players cannot save a game that is boring by design.

Designers of Colossi ,ball of death ,clumping, anti micro spells , superdamage units, are really the sole responsible of this crysis.



The only viewers LoL gets are the people that play the game. I am sure a ton of people watch sc2 even tough they don't play it.

I still have to meet the first non-LoL player that actually likes the game. I gave it a chance, a ton of my friends gave it a chance, and guess what? It's so damn boring. The teamplay can be nice to watch, but the individual skill is just not special.

Let me explain why I think that fps games like counterstrike are much more suited to be an esportsgame: in counterstrike there are 2 things that can make you excited: 1) the teamplay (LoL has this, good), 2) the individual skill (aim, reaction time, movement, clutches) (LoL doesn't have this at all imo).

When I watch sc2 I can be really amazed by a player's speed, genius moves and builds, insane unit control, sick macro, etc. When I watch counterstrike I can be really amazed by a player's aim and movement, and by teamplay. I don't have that feeling with LoL, and I am not alone.

You talk about spectators leaving sc2? I don't agree at all. Look at recent tournament views, it's still insane. LoL has bigger viewers, I agree, but LoL is also a much more casual game. Isn't it logical that more people prefer casual games over the hard games? What do you want when you come home from a whole day of work? A game that requires sick speed, thinking and dedication or a game that requires only 10% of that? Look around you try to find someone with a competitive soul. You will notice that 80% of the people are 1) not competitive at all, 2) unable to take losses. Conclusion: LoL has more viewers because it has more players because it is much more casual and easier. Does this mean that sc2 is boring and dead?

Crysis? Because a few players are leaving sc2? What about 100+ kespa players moving to sc2? What about flash already providing us sick games, only after a few months of playing?

A lot of people don't play, but they watch doesn't really seem like all that. Starcraft 2 can't even break 50k veiwers...
Stye
Profile Joined September 2012
Poland40 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-25 12:57:29
October 25 2012 12:56 GMT
#394
On October 25 2012 19:31 dragonsuper wrote:
and SC2 is boring so no spectators there anymore.


This is the stupidest and most ignorant thing I've heard in a while. It's not even worth pointing out on how many levels you're wrong. It's even more stupid than mindless Jessica bashing COMBINED with writing to sponsors with any minor offence you supposedly had. People are lowering the bar of ignorance (or raising?) on ever increasing speed ever since we've got MOBA people waging a holy war of how their game is the best in the world.

James Cameron, save SC2.
dragonsuper
Profile Joined October 2010
Liechtenstein222 Posts
October 25 2012 13:05 GMT
#395
On October 25 2012 21:56 Stye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 19:31 dragonsuper wrote:
and SC2 is boring so no spectators there anymore.


This is the stupidest and most ignorant thing I've heard in a while. It's not even worth pointing out on how many levels you're wrong. It's even more stupid than mindless Jessica bashing COMBINED with writing to sponsors with any minor offence you supposedly had. People are lowering the bar of ignorance (or raising?) on ever increasing speed ever since we've got MOBA people waging a holy war of how their game is the best in the world.

James Cameron, save SC2.


You really don't want to understand after 2 years of WOL.

No problem, we'll see after Heart of Boredom will come out, eventually even YOU will agree with what's already happening from some time.
lol
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
October 25 2012 13:07 GMT
#396
On October 25 2012 21:53 HeroHenry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 21:31 Snowbear wrote:
On October 25 2012 19:31 dragonsuper wrote:
Actually the difficulty in LOL is the sinergy of the team, not certainly the mechanics.

The problem here is the money goes where spectators are... and SC2 is boring so no spectators there anymore.

They could have supported BW more instead of forcing kespa to come to sc2.

Players cannot save a game that is boring by design.

Designers of Colossi ,ball of death ,clumping, anti micro spells , superdamage units, are really the sole responsible of this crysis.



The only viewers LoL gets are the people that play the game. I am sure a ton of people watch sc2 even tough they don't play it.

I still have to meet the first non-LoL player that actually likes the game. I gave it a chance, a ton of my friends gave it a chance, and guess what? It's so damn boring. The teamplay can be nice to watch, but the individual skill is just not special.

Let me explain why I think that fps games like counterstrike are much more suited to be an esportsgame: in counterstrike there are 2 things that can make you excited: 1) the teamplay (LoL has this, good), 2) the individual skill (aim, reaction time, movement, clutches) (LoL doesn't have this at all imo).

When I watch sc2 I can be really amazed by a player's speed, genius moves and builds, insane unit control, sick macro, etc. When I watch counterstrike I can be really amazed by a player's aim and movement, and by teamplay. I don't have that feeling with LoL, and I am not alone.

You talk about spectators leaving sc2? I don't agree at all. Look at recent tournament views, it's still insane. LoL has bigger viewers, I agree, but LoL is also a much more casual game. Isn't it logical that more people prefer casual games over the hard games? What do you want when you come home from a whole day of work? A game that requires sick speed, thinking and dedication or a game that requires only 10% of that? Look around you try to find someone with a competitive soul. You will notice that 80% of the people are 1) not competitive at all, 2) unable to take losses. Conclusion: LoL has more viewers because it has more players because it is much more casual and easier. Does this mean that sc2 is boring and dead?

Crysis? Because a few players are leaving sc2? What about 100+ kespa players moving to sc2? What about flash already providing us sick games, only after a few months of playing?

A lot of people don't play, but they watch doesn't really seem like all that. Starcraft 2 can't even break 50k veiwers...

Even Dreamhack Bucharest (a rather minor event with close to no big names in attendance) broke 50k. We had WCS Europe a while ago, exceeding 120k. So maybe, just maybe, don't talk out of your ass? Why is it that there are so many sore, depressed ex-BWfanbois-turned-LoLfanbois here spouting nonsense all week? It's getting annoying.
Get off my lawn, young punks
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-25 13:15:08
October 25 2012 13:14 GMT
#397
On October 25 2012 13:58 Tal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 11:41 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 25 2012 10:03 Malpractice.248 wrote:
On October 25 2012 09:46 Swish 41 wrote:
On October 25 2012 09:44 Malpractice.248 wrote:
On October 25 2012 09:39 dArkko wrote:
On October 24 2012 18:11 Noruxas wrote:
Call up Nestea, we need to go back in time and make sure LoL never existed.


xD

Fuck ! so much korean switching to this noob game : /

And its noob because...?


I hope you are kidding. League of Casuals has the same Skill-Ceiling as "The Sims" ...

Im sorry, but until you reach top 100 in LoL, GTFO.

Tired of everyone just fucking bashing league of legends because theyre sour that league has, what, 10x the viewers?
32 MILLION monthly players? Xbox live has 40 million. Sc2 gears shows that SC2 has 500k over the last few months.

10x the prize money?

Really. Its fucking ridiculous this community lately. Sc1 begins to fall, and everyone in sc2 bashes it -- and everyone in sc1 bashing sc2 saying its "EZ MODE OMGZ" and its quite disheartening.

Every game requires skill. If you think league is super ez, go get 3k elo. And i play both games. Both have different TYPES of skill. teamwork, metagame, synergy, timings, countering.... theres a lot of "strategy" to league, tbh.

Let people do as they want. Just gets old seeing a great community start to turn into a damn mob lately, flaming and bashing and pitchforking everything.

/endrant.

EDIT: ALSO. dont even start by saying the game is free. I have at least 10 RL friends that have switched from SC2 to LoL over the last year or two. And i know another 20-30 from my univ that plays league. Theyve all spent over 60$ on skins this year already. Theres a reason riot is making huge bank.


I'm sorry, this isn't a bash LoL post.

HOWEVER, when RIOT says IN THEIR GAME that LOL IS AN EASIER VERSION OF DOTA, what do you expect people to say?

It's not a question of different skill sets. They are very similar games with a number of key differences. It just happens that these differences were all aimed at making LoL EASIER and more casual friendly than DOTA. Does that mean it is skilless? No. QUANTITATIVELY is it easier than DOTA? Yes.

Are you gonna argue that Algebra 1 isn't easier than Algebra 2 because they require different skill sets? No, that would be silly.


It is mechanically easier, and the items/abilities are more straightforward. That means the game is easier to start playing, but doesn't mean it's easier at a high level - as players can improve in non-mechanical ways. Less focus on mechanics means more focus on decision making/tactics/strategy/timing etc.

Every tournament shows the huge room for improvement - even the winning team of LOL's season 2 championships could do a lot to improve their team fights.


You do realize that lots of the LoL pros are players that failed miserably at going pro in HON/DOTA right? Chu was a great HON player but never could compete with the top of DOTA, in a month he became the best LoL player. Mechanically easier = easier. BW is harder than SC2. DOTA is harder the LoL. Stop all this different game, different skills BS; that's the biggest and most laughable cop out. I've played DOTA, HON, DOTA2 and LoL. LoL is objectively the easiest of them all.
bokeevboke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Singapore1674 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-25 13:14:58
October 25 2012 13:14 GMT
#398
On October 25 2012 21:31 Snowbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 19:31 dragonsuper wrote:
Actually the difficulty in LOL is the sinergy of the team, not certainly the mechanics.

The problem here is the money goes where spectators are... and SC2 is boring so no spectators there anymore.

They could have supported BW more instead of forcing kespa to come to sc2.

Players cannot save a game that is boring by design.

Designers of Colossi ,ball of death ,clumping, anti micro spells , superdamage units, are really the sole responsible of this crysis.



The only viewers LoL gets are the people that play the game. I am sure a ton of people watch sc2 even tough they don't play it.

I still have to meet the first non-LoL player that actually likes the game. I gave it a chance, a ton of my friends gave it a chance, and guess what? It's so damn boring. The teamplay can be nice to watch, but the individual skill is just not special.

Let me explain why I think that fps games like counterstrike are much more suited to be an esportsgame: in counterstrike there are 2 things that can make you excited: 1) the teamplay (LoL has this, good), 2) the individual skill (aim, reaction time, movement, clutches) (LoL doesn't have this at all imo).

When I watch sc2 I can be really amazed by a player's speed, genius moves and builds, insane unit control, sick macro, etc. When I watch counterstrike I can be really amazed by a player's aim and movement, and by teamplay. I don't have that feeling with LoL, and I am not alone.

You talk about spectators leaving sc2? I don't agree at all. Look at recent tournament views, it's still insane. LoL has bigger viewers, I agree, but LoL is also a much more casual game. Isn't it logical that more people prefer casual games over the hard games? What do you want when you come home from a whole day of work? A game that requires sick speed, thinking and dedication or a game that requires only 10% of that? Look around you try to find someone with a competitive soul. You will notice that 80% of the people are 1) not competitive at all, 2) unable to take losses. Conclusion: LoL has more viewers because it has more players because it is much more casual and easier. Does this mean that sc2 is boring and dead?

Crysis? Because a few players are leaving sc2? What about 100+ kespa players moving to sc2? What about flash already providing us sick games, only after a few months of playing?


SC2 is tons tons better than LoL for spectators. No doubt of that. Thats why I play LoL but watch exclusively starcraft. But that doesn't mean your theory works.

Here is why:
LoL viewership has a potential to grow. New players come and some of them will watch tournaments.

SC2 viewership has little to no potential to grow. No matter how awesome it is. Because people can't just stumble on it, they really need to experience it themselves. I for instance tried to follow American football and Baseball cause they're so famous but in-existent in our country. I couldn't. I learned some rules but it didn't help. So is sc2, a person can't just start watching unless he played it.

Therefore casual gaming is very important for modern games to sustain their success.
Most of current SC2 spectators came from brood war, and just follow SC2 cause they got no alternative. And we're stuck here. But due to aging, most of gonna be leaving and SC2 community will start dwindling. Which is basically death of the game.
Its grack
Antyee
Profile Joined May 2011
Hungary1011 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-25 13:26:35
October 25 2012 13:17 GMT
#399
On October 25 2012 22:07 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 21:53 HeroHenry wrote:
On October 25 2012 21:31 Snowbear wrote:
On October 25 2012 19:31 dragonsuper wrote:
Actually the difficulty in LOL is the sinergy of the team, not certainly the mechanics.

The problem here is the money goes where spectators are... and SC2 is boring so no spectators there anymore.

They could have supported BW more instead of forcing kespa to come to sc2.

Players cannot save a game that is boring by design.

Designers of Colossi ,ball of death ,clumping, anti micro spells , superdamage units, are really the sole responsible of this crysis.



The only viewers LoL gets are the people that play the game. I am sure a ton of people watch sc2 even tough they don't play it.

I still have to meet the first non-LoL player that actually likes the game. I gave it a chance, a ton of my friends gave it a chance, and guess what? It's so damn boring. The teamplay can be nice to watch, but the individual skill is just not special.

Let me explain why I think that fps games like counterstrike are much more suited to be an esportsgame: in counterstrike there are 2 things that can make you excited: 1) the teamplay (LoL has this, good), 2) the individual skill (aim, reaction time, movement, clutches) (LoL doesn't have this at all imo).

When I watch sc2 I can be really amazed by a player's speed, genius moves and builds, insane unit control, sick macro, etc. When I watch counterstrike I can be really amazed by a player's aim and movement, and by teamplay. I don't have that feeling with LoL, and I am not alone.

You talk about spectators leaving sc2? I don't agree at all. Look at recent tournament views, it's still insane. LoL has bigger viewers, I agree, but LoL is also a much more casual game. Isn't it logical that more people prefer casual games over the hard games? What do you want when you come home from a whole day of work? A game that requires sick speed, thinking and dedication or a game that requires only 10% of that? Look around you try to find someone with a competitive soul. You will notice that 80% of the people are 1) not competitive at all, 2) unable to take losses. Conclusion: LoL has more viewers because it has more players because it is much more casual and easier. Does this mean that sc2 is boring and dead?

Crysis? Because a few players are leaving sc2? What about 100+ kespa players moving to sc2? What about flash already providing us sick games, only after a few months of playing?

A lot of people don't play, but they watch doesn't really seem like all that. Starcraft 2 can't even break 50k veiwers...

Even Dreamhack Bucharest (a rather minor event with close to no big names in attendance) broke 50k. We had WCS Europe a while ago, exceeding 120k. So maybe, just maybe, don't talk out of your ass? Why is it that there are so many sore, depressed ex-BWfanbois-turned-LoLfanbois here spouting nonsense all week? It's getting annoying.

You should check these threads, and actually read the comments.
Most of the comments are retarded MOBA-haters writing nonsense or bragging about how much more skill SC requires.
And DH Bucharest didn't break 50k. At least people were posting a lot about how DH had less viewers than a single LoL player (Oddone with 20-25k).



On October 25 2012 22:14 SupLilSon wrote:
You do realize that lots of the LoL pros are players that failed miserably at going pro in HON/DOTA right? Chu was a great HON player but never could compete with the top of DOTA, in a month he became the best LoL player.

Shame non of this is true.
Chu hasn't done anything in LoL apart from grinding soloQ and failing in real competition with his team.
"My spoon is too big."
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
October 25 2012 13:27 GMT
#400
Guys! Stop arguing about LoL and SC2. That solves nothing. Instead, focus your power on asking Blizzard to better the game. E.g. redesign protoss to be less boring. Redesign spine crawlers (infestor/broodlord/spines scenarion in PvZ), etc. Ask Blizzard to make the game more enjoyable!
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