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Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
October 25 2012 04:51 GMT
#341
So LoL is the new SC2 and SC2 is the new BW

I'm fine with this
Everyday Girl's Day~!
Tal
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
United Kingdom1018 Posts
October 25 2012 04:58 GMT
#342
On October 25 2012 11:41 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 10:03 Malpractice.248 wrote:
On October 25 2012 09:46 Swish 41 wrote:
On October 25 2012 09:44 Malpractice.248 wrote:
On October 25 2012 09:39 dArkko wrote:
On October 24 2012 18:11 Noruxas wrote:
Call up Nestea, we need to go back in time and make sure LoL never existed.


xD

Fuck ! so much korean switching to this noob game : /

And its noob because...?


I hope you are kidding. League of Casuals has the same Skill-Ceiling as "The Sims" ...

Im sorry, but until you reach top 100 in LoL, GTFO.

Tired of everyone just fucking bashing league of legends because theyre sour that league has, what, 10x the viewers?
32 MILLION monthly players? Xbox live has 40 million. Sc2 gears shows that SC2 has 500k over the last few months.

10x the prize money?

Really. Its fucking ridiculous this community lately. Sc1 begins to fall, and everyone in sc2 bashes it -- and everyone in sc1 bashing sc2 saying its "EZ MODE OMGZ" and its quite disheartening.

Every game requires skill. If you think league is super ez, go get 3k elo. And i play both games. Both have different TYPES of skill. teamwork, metagame, synergy, timings, countering.... theres a lot of "strategy" to league, tbh.

Let people do as they want. Just gets old seeing a great community start to turn into a damn mob lately, flaming and bashing and pitchforking everything.

/endrant.

EDIT: ALSO. dont even start by saying the game is free. I have at least 10 RL friends that have switched from SC2 to LoL over the last year or two. And i know another 20-30 from my univ that plays league. Theyve all spent over 60$ on skins this year already. Theres a reason riot is making huge bank.


I'm sorry, this isn't a bash LoL post.

HOWEVER, when RIOT says IN THEIR GAME that LOL IS AN EASIER VERSION OF DOTA, what do you expect people to say?

It's not a question of different skill sets. They are very similar games with a number of key differences. It just happens that these differences were all aimed at making LoL EASIER and more casual friendly than DOTA. Does that mean it is skilless? No. QUANTITATIVELY is it easier than DOTA? Yes.

Are you gonna argue that Algebra 1 isn't easier than Algebra 2 because they require different skill sets? No, that would be silly.


It is mechanically easier, and the items/abilities are more straightforward. That means the game is easier to start playing, but doesn't mean it's easier at a high level - as players can improve in non-mechanical ways. Less focus on mechanics means more focus on decision making/tactics/strategy/timing etc.

Every tournament shows the huge room for improvement - even the winning team of LOL's season 2 championships could do a lot to improve their team fights.
It is what you read when you don't have to that determines what you will be when you can't help it.
E.H Eager
Profile Joined August 2011
United States227 Posts
October 25 2012 05:04 GMT
#343
On October 25 2012 13:51 Kergy wrote:
So LoL is the new SC2 and SC2 is the new BW

I'm fine with this


Interesting way to see it. Kinda true though.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
October 25 2012 05:06 GMT
#344
On October 25 2012 13:37 strength wrote:
I dont know why some of you are surprised.. LoL has bigger tournaments and more money and MORE VIEWERSHIP. Dont expect Sc2 to live much longer (next 1-2 years).

SC is making virtually nothing out of SC2 these days so no I'm not surprised. It's hardly a death knell for the scene seeing some has-been quit. Nestea and more of the old guard will follow the easy money soon enough or go into coaching. If anything I think players like Select and SC quitting are a testament to how much tougher the competition is getting.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
CiCeRoSC2
Profile Joined October 2012
United States83 Posts
October 25 2012 05:10 GMT
#345
We also did just recently get dozens of Kespa pros, who seem to already be at least competitive with your mainstream GSLer like sC. With the arrival of those guys and their inevitable rise, opportunities in SC2 are much slimmer than they were before they arived. I'm not surprised to see a few of these guys leave.
SeAK
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada69 Posts
October 25 2012 05:12 GMT
#346
I wonder if his lung ever did collapse. considering all the "injured" excuses teams were coming up with when a player decided to spend more time playing LoL the Sc .
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
October 25 2012 05:14 GMT
#347
MLG did LoL today and only had 18,000 viewers. The VOD's for IPL5 Korean qualifiers have less views than the GSL in Korea and foreigners.

LoL has huge highs, but is actually pretty similar to Dota2 and SC2 when it comes to non-super hyped tournaments. A majority of fans don't go out of there way to find tournaments it seems.

Again, I agree LoL is a bigger e-sport and has a higher ceiling, but that doesn't mean everything LoL-related is instantly at least 100,000+ viewers and consistent.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
October 25 2012 05:14 GMT
#348
On October 25 2012 14:12 SeAK wrote:
I wonder if his lung ever did collapse. considering all the "injured" excuses teams were coming up with when a player decided to spend more time playing LoL the Sc .


sC looked like he was actually going to keel over and die one night during the Up/Downs. Pretty sure he wasn't pulling a Puzzle.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Newbistic
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
China2912 Posts
October 25 2012 05:29 GMT
#349
What does sC stand for if not StarCraft. Nobody is going to know his real name.
Logic is Overrated
A3mercury
Profile Joined June 2012
United States26 Posts
October 25 2012 05:32 GMT
#350
At this point its difficult because the best thing for these guys to succeed is to move on but no one wants them to go. I literally just got into starcraft this summer and loooove watching the pro scenes and of course.. Just like halo, it is getting smaller. raaaageee.
"Obsession is a word the lazy say to describe the dedicated."
Gheed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States972 Posts
October 25 2012 05:34 GMT
#351
On October 25 2012 14:14 Fionn wrote:
MLG did LoL today and only had 18,000 viewers. The VOD's for IPL5 Korean qualifiers have less views than the GSL in Korea and foreigners.

LoL has huge highs, but is actually pretty similar to Dota2 and SC2 when it comes to non-super hyped tournaments. A majority of fans don't go out of there way to find tournaments it seems.

Again, I agree LoL is a bigger e-sport and has a higher ceiling, but that doesn't mean everything LoL-related is instantly at least 100,000+ viewers and consistent.


MLG today was just a random showmatch between 2 NA teams. One of the problems with the LoL scene is that everything is terribly advertised outside of the Riot organized tournaments. LoL doesn't have a big website like TL that is accepted as "the" website for the community, so if people just hang around reddit they may or may not see the "in 8 hours, there will be a tournament" thread. To find LoL stuff you have to go and specifically read an event calendar, because there isn't a sidebar like on TL that say "hey, this stuff is happening NOW" on a place where everyone would congregate anyway.
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
October 25 2012 05:36 GMT
#352
Why... Honestly LoL is such a horrible competitive game...
CT Legacy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States57 Posts
October 25 2012 05:39 GMT
#353
On October 25 2012 14:14 Fionn wrote:
MLG did LoL today and only had 18,000 viewers. The VOD's for IPL5 Korean qualifiers have less views than the GSL in Korea and foreigners.

LoL has huge highs, but is actually pretty similar to Dota2 and SC2 when it comes to non-super hyped tournaments. A majority of fans don't go out of there way to find tournaments it seems.

Again, I agree LoL is a bigger e-sport and has a higher ceiling, but that doesn't mean everything LoL-related is instantly at least 100,000+ viewers and consistent.


b/c MLG is terrible tbh. look at the stream numbers for Dyrus, Chaox.. 10's of thousands.. combined with the biggest tournaments drawing over 400k concurrent viewers it's so surprise. Yes it's a simple game to learn but hard to master and hard to master effectively as a team of 5 at the highest levels. If it's so simple why isn't everyone at 2400 elo?

Guess Destiny was right. Here's a well accomplished SC2 player switching to LoL and I guarantee it's not the last. We will see more and more SC2 players switching to LoL
Twitter @CT_Legacy
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
October 25 2012 05:41 GMT
#354
On October 25 2012 14:39 CT Legacy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 14:14 Fionn wrote:
MLG did LoL today and only had 18,000 viewers. The VOD's for IPL5 Korean qualifiers have less views than the GSL in Korea and foreigners.

LoL has huge highs, but is actually pretty similar to Dota2 and SC2 when it comes to non-super hyped tournaments. A majority of fans don't go out of there way to find tournaments it seems.

Again, I agree LoL is a bigger e-sport and has a higher ceiling, but that doesn't mean everything LoL-related is instantly at least 100,000+ viewers and consistent.


b/c MLG is terrible tbh. look at the stream numbers for Dyrus, Chaox.. 10's of thousands.. combined with the biggest tournaments drawing over 400k concurrent viewers it's so surprise. Yes it's a simple game to learn but hard to master and hard to master effectively as a team of 5 at the highest levels. If it's so simple why isn't everyone at 2400 elo?

Guess Destiny was right. Here's a well accomplished SC2 player switching to LoL and I guarantee it's not the last. We will see more and more SC2 players switching to LoL


sC was an accomplished player.

sC's high point was May 2011. Since then, he was known for three things: collapsing lungs, having Genius do a ceremony on him, and being the first player Jaedong beat in the GOM studios.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
CT Legacy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States57 Posts
October 25 2012 05:41 GMT
#355
On October 25 2012 14:34 Gheed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 14:14 Fionn wrote:

Again, I agree LoL is a bigger e-sport and has a higher ceiling, but that doesn't mean everything LoL-related is instantly at least 100,000+ viewers and consistent.


LoL doesn't have a big website like TL that is accepted as "the" website for the community

False...
SoloMid.net
Twitter @CT_Legacy
VanGarde
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden755 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-25 05:46:21
October 25 2012 05:42 GMT
#356
Just saw this news before I went to work today, realized that when I got home it would be page after page of all of the sky is falling idiots being in a panicked frenzy over this. Human psychology is amazing though, the way in which when you are too obsessed with something (in this case the belief that sc2 is struggling) you will interpret everything in such a way as to conform with that obsession. People have retired from sc2 since it came out, it's a natural process that some players leave and some transition to other things. Now again like many times before a mid range pro decides to move on to something else but because of the last days of unjustified hysteria suddenly this is the kiss of death for a competitive game that is doing fine, growing and is about to have an expansion out soon. How easily rationality and logical thinking is overruled by gut feeling and fear.

Jinro left sc2 to play poker, people took the rational stance and did not assume that he switched because poker is becoming superior to starcraft and is killing the scene. Likewise if this news had come two weeks ago, before Destiny started his online marketing campaign for his LoL stream, no one would had given a second thought to sc switching games. People would had made the rational conclusions that he has been struggling for a long time, he has had health problems and not practiced enough and he is choosing to switch to a game that is in an expansive phase where the competition is not so stacked yet and overall skill cap is lower.
War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
Gheed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States972 Posts
October 25 2012 05:43 GMT
#357
On October 25 2012 14:41 CT Legacy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 14:34 Gheed wrote:
On October 25 2012 14:14 Fionn wrote:

Again, I agree LoL is a bigger e-sport and has a higher ceiling, but that doesn't mean everything LoL-related is instantly at least 100,000+ viewers and consistent.


LoL doesn't have a big website like TL that is accepted as "the" website for the community

False...
SoloMid.net


http://www.solomid.net/forums/index.php?/forum/12-lol-general-discussion/

Compare those view numbers to the numbers for threads on our SC2 general forum.
VanGarde
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden755 Posts
October 25 2012 05:46 GMT
#358
On October 25 2012 14:43 Gheed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 14:41 CT Legacy wrote:
On October 25 2012 14:34 Gheed wrote:
On October 25 2012 14:14 Fionn wrote:

Again, I agree LoL is a bigger e-sport and has a higher ceiling, but that doesn't mean everything LoL-related is instantly at least 100,000+ viewers and consistent.


LoL doesn't have a big website like TL that is accepted as "the" website for the community

False...
SoloMid.net


http://www.solomid.net/forums/index.php?/forum/12-lol-general-discussion/

Compare those view numbers to the numbers for threads on our SC2 general forum.

So you are saying... that League of Legends is dying?
War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
Gheed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States972 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-25 05:51:37
October 25 2012 05:50 GMT
#359
On October 25 2012 14:46 VanGarde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 14:43 Gheed wrote:
On October 25 2012 14:41 CT Legacy wrote:
On October 25 2012 14:34 Gheed wrote:
On October 25 2012 14:14 Fionn wrote:

Again, I agree LoL is a bigger e-sport and has a higher ceiling, but that doesn't mean everything LoL-related is instantly at least 100,000+ viewers and consistent.


LoL doesn't have a big website like TL that is accepted as "the" website for the community

False...
SoloMid.net


http://www.solomid.net/forums/index.php?/forum/12-lol-general-discussion/

Compare those view numbers to the numbers for threads on our SC2 general forum.

So you are saying... that League of Legends is dying?


No, I'm saying that the league community is more scattered around different sites than the SC2 community is, which is one issue contributing to the fact that smaller, independently organized LoL tournaments don't get the high views that one would expect them to.

I'm assuming you're being sarcastic, but you never know.
VanGarde
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden755 Posts
October 25 2012 05:52 GMT
#360
On October 25 2012 14:50 Gheed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 14:46 VanGarde wrote:
On October 25 2012 14:43 Gheed wrote:
On October 25 2012 14:41 CT Legacy wrote:
On October 25 2012 14:34 Gheed wrote:
On October 25 2012 14:14 Fionn wrote:

Again, I agree LoL is a bigger e-sport and has a higher ceiling, but that doesn't mean everything LoL-related is instantly at least 100,000+ viewers and consistent.


LoL doesn't have a big website like TL that is accepted as "the" website for the community

False...
SoloMid.net


http://www.solomid.net/forums/index.php?/forum/12-lol-general-discussion/

Compare those view numbers to the numbers for threads on our SC2 general forum.

So you are saying... that League of Legends is dying?


No, I'm saying that the league community is more scattered around different sites than the SC2 community is, which is one issue that smaller, independently organized LoL tournaments don't get the high views that one would expect them to.

I'm assuming you're being sarcastic, but you never know.

Yeah, I was. Just trying doing what I can to point out the flaws in how people overreact to statistics, considering overreacting to statistics is why people are having these discussions in the first place.
War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
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