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Dakure
United States513 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:05 stormtemplar wrote: Your post may have started well, but it was derogatory and gave the impression that he was a negative influence. I disagree, and he seems to feel similarly. But that's exactly what happened with Milkis. There's really no other way around it. It may sound bad, but it's because it was bad. | ||
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las91
United States5080 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:28 Shival wrote: Thanks, I wish some certain other person would atleast be able to think of that. "Questions"? Why are you trying to keep belittling me, but avoid responding to my questions. Something must itch somewhere. If you've answered everything you're going to answer, may I ask you to please leave the thread because it adds nothing but personal attacks. Well isn't that a precious final statement. I sincerely hope Crank is doing ok, and I would love to hear more from Boxer about all this as he has been conspicuously absent from these proceedings. Here's to hoping this matter is resolved timely so we can get on with some new drama. | ||
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tMomiji
United States1115 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:28 Zeonick wrote: http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3rgqst/ My milk came out my nose...u-u;; | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3047 Posts
After reading the phonecall record, all I got was that CranK was rather acting inappropriate to his elders; something that is seen as 'uneducated' and 'immature' to Korean culture. Unless the elder screwed up completely (and in this case it wasn't because it seems there were huge misunderstandings left and right), you shouldn't raise your voice against elders (even if they did, it is still deemed 'not right' in most cases). CranK just disrespected someone who's older than him by only thinking about his own situation and raising his voice while talking with Jessica and crying while talking with Boxer. In addition, CranK seemed like he was not interested in meeting up with Jessica and Boxer in person to talk things out (except at the end), when Boxer was asking Crank numerous times 'let's meet up and settle it' and CranK just kept talking, ignoring Boxer's request till the very end. I'm not saying Crank nor Boxer is right in this case. Rather, Crank's attitude has been an issue in that phone conversation, in my opinion. This only gives bad image of Crank and how Koreans view him (someone should translate those comments, they're really talking down on Crank, saying that he's really immature even after coming back from military). | ||
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Shival
Netherlands643 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:25 geokilla wrote: I think you need to have your ears checked... IU is miles better than them. Though I haven't heard Taeyeon and Jessica sing solo so take that with a grain of salt if you'd like. I admit, I'm not die hard kpop fan and I can't tell who is who either. Man Shival must be having fun causing a storm here on TL.... Well, first of all, Taeyeon has a larger vocal range than IU, so well.. ah, nevermind ridiculous discussion to have over here. Anyway, I am actually enjoying myself or I wouldn't still be here, but it's not for the reasons you think. It's because I enjoy sane discussions with some of you, sadly there are also worse people out there. | ||
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
http://esfiworld.com/news/mma-i-do-not-want-people-misunderstand-me-through-distortion | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
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Gorlin
United States2753 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:17 storywriter wrote: People keep saying that Crank promised Jessica that he would not seek another team. Where are they getting this from? Crank's claim is simply that he did not leave the team 'specifically' to seek out a foreign team. Also I think that's a crazy promise to expect Crank to keep anyway. If a foreign team offers you a place in their team for a salary, of course he's going to accept it. I see you Storywriter. I agree, it's clear that the situation is that Jessica feels betrayed because Crank "lied" about why he left the team. However, I have yet to see where Crank said that he left to join a foreign team. He left to get away from that environment and rest, not to retire. In his interview, Crank seemed to stress the distinction between leaving Slayers in order to join a foreign team and get lots of money, and leaving Slayers followed by looking for even the smallest form of income in either streaming or a foreign team. Guy's gotta eat. While I would have put it differently, I think TB hit the nail on the head in that whether or not Jessica truly feels betrayed and offended by Crank's departure (which we all of us, including Crank, agree was handled poorly by him), it's clear that Crank could only have so much of an impact and he is being used as a scapegoat for managerial issues. Jessica constantly tries to deny her mistakes by talking about all she has done for the team (certainly a lot, which I'm sure the players are thankful for). But simply talking about what you did right does not nullify the damage from what you did wrong, which she refuses to address since she knows that Koreans will stand by Boxer (and her by extension). | ||
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eScaper-tsunami
Canada313 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:27 storywriter wrote: How much do you think Crank is being paid at the moment? I could probably earn three times what he's making by tutoring high school kids part time. Being a progamer, even on a foreign team, is not glamorous. Then again, progaming is all Crank and other progamers in his situation know so what choice did he have? I'm not defending Crank. He could have done many things differently. All I'm saying is please stop saying Crank screwed people over for money. There is hardly any money in progaming. What else could he have done? He's 23 who served 2 yrs of military. Which probably means he hasn't completed university. And in this economy, and with very little job experience what else can he really do? He's injured and can't do manual labour work as well. I'm not belittling him, but if somebody is willing to pay him to do what he does best, I think he'd take it. | ||
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Rubber
United States150 Posts
Are we really up in arms about whether or not he lied to get out of a shitty team environment? And somehow the ultimate fate of the team is supposed to hinge on this detail? I must be dreaming. | ||
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tMomiji
United States1115 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:31 Ansinjunger wrote: MMA's interview is now on esfiworld. There aren't many differences but it's worth a look, especially for that handsome shot in the black hoodie. His skin does look pretty good. http://esfiworld.com/news/mma-i-do-not-want-people-misunderstand-me-through-distortion Dayum he DOES look good there. | ||
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pooMonger
United States30 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:21 Shival wrote: Already have, maybe you should try some simple calculation and see how those numbers add up to "half of the posts in this thread". Nor do I see the value of stating post numbers, care to try conversations with sane arguments? Also, please answer the previous questions if you feel up to it. Then you haven't thought about it long and hard enough. The value in stating your number of posts in this thread shows that you are far too invested in something you are not remotely related to. Even if you were some Slayers superfanboy, the time and effort you have put into being so disputatious, could it seriously be worth it?. Don't get caught up on semantics when it's actually a quarter of your total posts, instead of half. That is still substantial and honestly you just need to step away from this thread and let the drama pass. Don't wear your heart on your sleeve for something that you are not involved with; it's unbecoming. | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:31 supernovamaniac wrote: People are stating that Boxer can't be touched because of 'idol' status. Yet, Koreans are really quick to jump on these idols and bring them down if they did something wrong. After reading the phonecall record, all I got was that CranK was rather acting inappropriate to his elders; something that is seen as 'uneducated' and 'immature' to Korean culture. Unless the elder screwed up completely (and in this case it wasn't because it seems there were huge misunderstandings left and right), you shouldn't raise your voice against elders (even if they did, it is still deemed 'not right' in most cases). CranK just disrespected someone who's older than him by only thinking about his own situation and raising his voice while talking with Jessica and crying while talking with Boxer. In addition, CranK seemed like he was not interested in meeting up with Jessica and Boxer in person to talk things out (except at the end), when Boxer was asking Crank numerous times 'let's meet up and settle it' and CranK just kept talking, ignoring Boxer's request till the very end. I'm not saying Crank nor Boxer is right in this case. Rather, Crank's attitude has been an issue in that phone conversation, in my opinion. This only gives bad image of Crank and how Koreans view him (someone should translate those comments, they're really talking down on Crank, saying that he's really immature even after coming back from military). Thanks for explaining the Korean view point on this. Also boxer is being really classy in this, if he started jumping on crank and co in public it would go much worse for them no matter how good his argument was. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:27 storywriter wrote: How much do you think Crank is being paid at the moment? I could probably earn three times what he's making by tutoring high school kids part time. Being a progamer, even on a foreign team, is not glamorous. Then again, progaming is all Crank and other progamers in his situation know so what choice did he have? I'm not defending Crank. He could have done many things differently. All I'm saying is please stop saying Crank screwed people over for money. There is hardly any money in progaming. EG got moniez | ||
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shockaslim
United States1105 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:28 Shival wrote: Thanks, I wish some certain other person would atleast be able to think of that. "Questions"? Why are you trying to keep belittling me, but avoid responding to my questions. Something must itch somewhere. If you've answered everything you're going to answer, may I ask you to please leave the thread because it adds nothing but personal attacks. YOU are the on instigating all of this garbage. Freaking grow up. Sure TotalBiscuit too a light jab, but it really means nothing. Holy Christ. On topic, something just doesn't sound right about all of this. Jessica is ALWAYS being the aggressor in these situations while trying to play innocent at the same time. EVERY time there is drama, and Slayers, she has acted like this. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:13 geokilla wrote: That's Korea for you. Why do you think so many idol groups pop up? How many idol groups are actually successful based on talent? Look at SNSD. I wouldn't say they have talent in terms of singing compared to IU. SNSD got the looks. That's it. Woah woah woah. I'm going to call offsides here! Don't drag poor SNSD into this drama! They're good..kk  | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:33 pooMonger wrote: Then you haven't thought about it long and hard enough. The value in stating your number of posts in this thread shows that you are far too invested in something you are not remotely related to. Even if you were some Slayers superfanboy, the time and effort you have put into being so disputatious, could it seriously be worth it?. Don't get caught up on semantics when it's actually a quarter of your total posts, instead of half. That is still substantial and honestly you just need to step away from this thread and let the drama pass. Don't wear your heart on your sleeve for something that you are not involved with; it's unbecoming. How judgmental of you. So hes wrong because he cares "too much" about something? This is getting ridiculous | ||
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Gorlin
United States2753 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:33 Jaaaaasper wrote: Thanks for explaining the Korean view point on this. Also boxer is being really classy in this, if he started jumping on crank and co in public it would go much worse for them no matter how good his argument was. Hold on now. Crank said that after they said they would meet up to talk in person, Boxer and Jessica ceased contact with him and despite Crank's efforts, the meeting was never arranged. | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On October 23 2012 12:59 boxturtle wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/11wn9f/jessica_leaks_private_phone_conversation_with/ This definitely makes it look like your representation of reality if a bit off. Also, look at this thread. Half of it is 2 people arguing with everyone else. Hmm, I checked and saw quite a bit of people siding with Jessica over CranK. I also side with Jessica over CranK. Jessica makes some mistakes, but CranK seems to have gotten tired and tried to take shortcuts. He made his decisions which are not acceptable, and so Jessica got angry. Not to say Jessica did everything right, but she's right to be angry with CranK. | ||
storywriter
Australia528 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:32 eScaper-tsunami wrote: What else could he have done? He's 23 who served 2 yrs of military. Which probably means he hasn't completed university. And in this economy, and with very little job experience what else can he really do? He's injured and can't do manual labour work as well. I'm not belittling him, but if somebody is willing to pay him to do what he does best, I think he'd take it. I don't think you're belittling him at all. In fact, I think you have a pretty good idea of Crank's situation. However, I don't think it's up to you to decide whether Crank should quit progaming or even whether he's passionate about it. Hell, according to your logic, MVP should have quit a year ago and everyday I see progamers massaging their wrists looking like they're in pain. I may be wrong but I think the difference between you and I is simply that I admire Crank's decision to stay in it despite the injury while you are more critical of this. | ||
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