I am really curious as to why an issue is still being made here.
Can't they all just agree that it was a big misunderstanding due to mistakes on both parties, and it was best to move on on their own (which they are doing now)?
Why do both sides need to blame each other just to determine who was at fault for what is essentially a disbanded team?
On October 23 2012 13:21 Shival wrote: Already have, maybe you should try some simple calculation and see how those numbers add up to "half of the posts in this thread". Nor do I see the value of stating post numbers, care to try conversations with sane arguments?
Also, please answer the previous questions if you feel up to it.
Then you haven't thought about it long and hard enough. The value in stating your number of posts in this thread shows that you are far too invested in something you are not remotely related to. Even if you were some Slayers superfanboy, the time and effort you have put into being so disputatious, could it seriously be worth it?.
Don't get caught up on semantics when it's actually a quarter of your total posts, instead of half. That is still substantial and honestly you just need to step away from this thread and let the drama pass. Don't wear your heart on your sleeve for something that you are not involved with; it's unbecoming.
How judgmental of you. So hes wrong because he cares "too much" about something? This is getting ridiculous
Nowhere in my post does it say he was wrong. I simply said it was unbecoming, because it really is. Objectively, he comes off as an entitled prick who is demanding answers. Does anybody from this debacle owe Shival an answer? The answer is no, plain and simple.
I, myself, don't get all this fucking ruckus over this nonsense. This storm will pass, so why are we getting our panties in such a disgusting twisted mess?
On October 23 2012 13:18 eScaper-tsunami wrote: 3. LOL found his passion again? Oh look, jesus cured him of his neck injury and he found his passion again. Don't be naive.
Try being serious for once, it's really quite refreshing. CranK just had to pull out of MLG MvP, a tournament he was WINNING, because of his neck injury. What do you want, doctors notes? Medical records? This neck problem is real and on record ever since his time at SKT1, the fact is established.
And that's what I'm saying. It's been an on-going problem and he admits it. Yet he couldn't even let management know about cancelling his game days in advance? If the medical condition was enough to kill his passion for the game in the first place, what makes you think it isn't money that brought him back? I apologize if the jesus joke was crude but in all honesty, somebody who quits the game because of medical reasons, wouldn't and shouldn't come back to the game while still suffering.
How much do you think Crank is being paid at the moment? I could probably earn three times what he's making by tutoring high school kids part time. Being a progamer, even on a foreign team, is not glamorous. Then again, progaming is all Crank and other progamers in his situation know so what choice did he have? I'm not defending Crank. He could have done many things differently. All I'm saying is please stop saying Crank screwed people over for money. There is hardly any money in progaming.
What else could he have done? He's 23 who served 2 yrs of military. Which probably means he hasn't completed university. And in this economy, and with very little job experience what else can he really do? He's injured and can't do manual labour work as well. I'm not belittling him, but if somebody is willing to pay him to do what he does best, I think he'd take it.
In Crank's interview he mentions that he had no plans of being a progamer when he joined SlayerS. Don't think he would think that without a plan B, otherwise he's just not very long-sighted.
On October 23 2012 13:32 Supamang wrote: I think its telling how arguments against Shival have devolved into belittling im about how many posts hes made in this thread. All I want is real, objective explanation as to why Jessica is primarily to blame here. I am not familiar to what her past crimes were or what her personality is like with controversies, but from what I've read it seems like she's more correct. And yet people continue to shit on her and people who support her. Can someone please explain??
There's not alot of logic to explain in people completely belittling other people, just for the sake of belittling.
On October 23 2012 13:21 Shival wrote: Already have, maybe you should try some simple calculation and see how those numbers add up to "half of the posts in this thread". Nor do I see the value of stating post numbers, care to try conversations with sane arguments?
Also, please answer the previous questions if you feel up to it.
Then you haven't thought about it long and hard enough. The value in stating your number of posts in this thread shows that you are far too invested in something you are not remotely related to. Even if you were some Slayers superfanboy, the time and effort you have put into being so disputatious, could it seriously be worth it?.
Don't get caught up on semantics when it's actually a quarter of your total posts, instead of half. That is still substantial and honestly you just need to step away from this thread and let the drama pass. Don't wear your heart on your sleeve for something that you are not involved with; it's unbecoming.
I'm not higher on my post numbers in this thread than a couple of other posters actually. Maybe by a slim margin. I may be invested in it, but that doesn't change any of the comments I make, thus it seems to me irrelevant. One can only imagine who I am and why I am so invested.
I am not caught up on semantics, my posts in this thread are not even 1% of the total posts. He said that half of the posts in this thread are mine. If you want to call that semantics that's fine, but it's also very belittling and shows poor character on TotalBisquits part.
I can do what I very much want myself, thank you very much for your consideration though.
On October 23 2012 13:31 supernovamaniac wrote: People are stating that Boxer can't be touched because of 'idol' status. Yet, Koreans are really quick to jump on these idols and bring them down if they did something wrong.
After reading the phonecall record, all I got was that CranK was rather acting inappropriate to his elders; something that is seen as 'uneducated' and 'immature' to Korean culture. Unless the elder screwed up completely (and in this case it wasn't because it seems there were huge misunderstandings left and right), you shouldn't raise your voice against elders (even if they did, it is still deemed 'not right' in most cases). CranK just disrespected someone who's older than him by only thinking about his own situation and raising his voice while talking with Jessica and crying while talking with Boxer. In addition, CranK seemed like he was not interested in meeting up with Jessica and Boxer in person to talk things out (except at the end), when Boxer was asking Crank numerous times 'let's meet up and settle it' and CranK just kept talking, ignoring Boxer's request till the very end.
I'm not saying Crank nor Boxer is right in this case. Rather, Crank's attitude has been an issue in that phone conversation, in my opinion. This only gives bad image of Crank and how Koreans view him (someone should translate those comments, they're really talking down on Crank, saying that he's really immature even after coming back from military).
Thanks for explaining the Korean view point on this. Also boxer is being really classy in this, if he started jumping on crank and co in public it would go much worse for them no matter how good his argument was.
Hold on now. Crank said that after they said they would meet up to talk in person, Boxer and Jessica ceased contact with him and despite Crank's efforts, the meeting was never arranged.
I'm pointing out Crank's attitude during the phone call (didn't know it was going to be this extreme), not what actually happened between them. I'm also trying to explain why people are furious at Crank for what happened.
And if it was any other elder, I could see them also exploding during the phone conversation and cutting the line right away.
On October 23 2012 13:21 Shival wrote: Already have, maybe you should try some simple calculation and see how those numbers add up to "half of the posts in this thread". Nor do I see the value of stating post numbers, care to try conversations with sane arguments?
Also, please answer the previous questions if you feel up to it.
Then you haven't thought about it long and hard enough. The value in stating your number of posts in this thread shows that you are far too invested in something you are not remotely related to. Even if you were some Slayers superfanboy, the time and effort you have put into being so disputatious, could it seriously be worth it?.
Don't get caught up on semantics when it's actually a quarter of your total posts, instead of half. That is still substantial and honestly you just need to step away from this thread and let the drama pass. Don't wear your heart on your sleeve for something that you are not involved with; it's unbecoming.
How judgmental of you. So hes wrong because he cares "too much" about something? This is getting ridiculous
Nowhere in my post does it say he was wrong. I simply said it was unbecoming, because it really is. Objectively, he comes off as an entitled prick who is demanding answers. Does anybody from this debacle owe Shival an answer? The answer is no, plain and simple.
I, myself, don't get all this fucking ruckus over this nonsense. This storm will pass, so why are we getting our panties in such a disgusting twisted mess?
Entitled prick for demanding answers? While the very person who I ask questions to because he belittled me is comming off clean here? I think that's at the very least not objective of you, but also insulting for calling it objectively.
I do believe someone owns an answer if they insult you. If not you're just a complete ass. Pardon my language.
Edit: And that's also the last of what I'll say about this matter. It's just idiotic behavior, and responding to it only makes myself look worse. I hope that the majority atleast sees there's an underlying reason for solely belittling a person.
All I see is people blinded by the fact that they love SC2 pros. Jessica is not a player, she doesn't directly provide the entertainment so people dont really relate to her. They say "Koreans are only siding with her because shes a celebrity" but someone else brought up that Koreans are just as quick to turn on celebrities (personal experience, I knew this guy called Jay Park who said he was a singer in Korea but came back to the US because of one thing he said about Korea on his MySpace. Apparently the general populace wouldn't forgive him).
Why do both sides need to blame each other just to determine who was at fault for what is essentially a disbanded team?
Because Jessica always needs to get in the last word because she is never wrong or at fault and the world is out to get her.
More like that's what happens all the time... Not because it's Jessica. Nortel came crashing down and they're still playing the blame game. I'm taking Internal Auditing this semester in Univeristy and some of the examples and cases my professor has given us is just mind blowingly dumb.
allright well, apparently while i was out, somebody drove slayers into the ground. now... gotta go look at the suspects.
suspect #1. was it you slayers players? let me see your faces... did you do this? did you? i don't think you did.
number 2. what? did you do this? slayers management, did you do this? slayers management was this you? slayers management... you won't look at me. did you? what? slayers management... did you do this? look at me. come here. let me see. let me see your faces, oh my goodness, you didn't... you... you did this? you're responsible for slayers disbanding while i was gone? ah... i can't believe it. are you sorry about it?
ok... you know the routine, now i dislike you. very disappointed, you're in the penalty box.
slayers players, you let it happen. i hope you're happy too.
Why do both sides need to blame each other just to determine who was at fault for what is essentially a disbanded team?
Because Jessica always needs to get in the last word because she is never wrong or at fault and the world is out to get her.
Because Jessica people need to get in the last word because she they is are never wrong and the world is out to get her them.
Your correction isn't true in the fact that everyone that has come forward and spoken has apologized about their part in the whole mess EXCEPT Jessica.
Hell, MC was dragged into it and he eventually apologized and left it at that.
Why do both sides need to blame each other just to determine who was at fault for what is essentially a disbanded team?
Because Jessica always needs to get in the last word because she is never wrong or at fault and the world is out to get her.
More like that's what happens all the time... Not because it's Jessica. Nortel came crashing down and they're still playing the blame game. I'm taking Internal Auditing this semester in Univeristy and some of the examples and cases my professor has given us is just mind blowingly dumb.
How many interviews has jessica done? How many have crank and mma done? The answer is they both gave 1 each.
Why do both sides need to blame each other just to determine who was at fault for what is essentially a disbanded team?
Because Jessica always needs to get in the last word because she is never wrong or at fault and the world is out to get her.
Because Jessica people need to get in the last word because she they is are never wrong and the world is out to get her them.
Your correction isn't true in the fact that everyone that has come forward and spoken has apologized about their part in the whole mess EXCEPT Jessica.
Hell, MC was dragged into it and he eventually apologized and left it at that.
Pretty sure he also means the crazies arguing in this thread
I'm not higher on my post numbers in this thread than a couple of other posters actually. Maybe by a slim margin. I may be invested in it, but that doesn't change any of the comments I make, thus it seems to me irrelevant. One can only imagine who I am and why I am so invested.
I am not caught up on semantics, my posts in this thread are not even 1% of the total posts. He said that half of the posts in this thread are mine. If you want to call that semantics that's fine, but it's also very belittling and shows poor character on TotalBisquits part.
I can do what I very much want myself, thank you very much for your consideration though.
^^This post is 80% strawman, brought to you by Strawman Industries.
And no, I disagree that you think it's 'belittling and shows poor character.' You are taking it as a personal offense instead of an objective fact to be considered.