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On October 23 2012 13:54 storywriter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 13:50 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On October 23 2012 13:41 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 13:32 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On October 23 2012 13:27 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 13:23 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On October 23 2012 13:20 TotalBiscuit wrote:On October 23 2012 13:18 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
3. LOL found his passion again? Oh look, jesus cured him of his neck injury and he found his passion again. Don't be naive. Try being serious for once, it's really quite refreshing. CranK just had to pull out of MLG MvP, a tournament he was WINNING, because of his neck injury. What do you want, doctors notes? Medical records? This neck problem is real and on record ever since his time at SKT1, the fact is established. And that's what I'm saying. It's been an on-going problem and he admits it. Yet he couldn't even let management know about cancelling his game days in advance? If the medical condition was enough to kill his passion for the game in the first place, what makes you think it isn't money that brought him back? I apologize if the jesus joke was crude but in all honesty, somebody who quits the game because of medical reasons, wouldn't and shouldn't come back to the game while still suffering. How much do you think Crank is being paid at the moment? I could probably earn three times what he's making by tutoring high school kids part time. Being a progamer, even on a foreign team, is not glamorous. Then again, progaming is all Crank and other progamers in his situation know so what choice did he have? I'm not defending Crank. He could have done many things differently. All I'm saying is please stop saying Crank screwed people over for money. There is hardly any money in progaming. What else could he have done? He's 23 who served 2 yrs of military. Which probably means he hasn't completed university. And in this economy, and with very little job experience what else can he really do? He's injured and can't do manual labour work as well. I'm not belittling him, but if somebody is willing to pay him to do what he does best, I think he'd take it. I don't think you're belittling him at all. In fact, I think you have a pretty good idea of Crank's situation. However, I don't think it's up to you to decide whether Crank should quit progaming or even whether he's passionate about it. Hell, according to your logic, MVP should have quit a year ago and everyday I see progamers massaging their wrists looking like they're in pain. I may be wrong but I think the difference between you and I is simply that I admire Crank's decision to stay in it despite the injury while you are more critical of this. Thank god it wasn't up to me, if it was up to me, I'd wipe off half the pros on the scene already. Jokes aside, the difference is MVP has an established career, maybe not as much as Boxer. Crank got injured before he even really took off. I honestly feel bad for the guy and I can understand his decision to leave slayers but it's the way he left. He told Cella not to tell Jessica that he's planning on leaving. That screws up management itself. Then he cancels his match without advance notice. And most of all, he criticizes management instead of apologizing for not being precise on his wants and needs. Now those are some fine double standards. If you are good at it, you can keep doing it even if you get injured. If you're not, get out please. I stand by my words that no one should tell Crank to leave the scene because of his injury or any other reason. No he didn't tell Cella to hide the fact he was leaving. Seems like everyone knew about this well in advance. In stead, Crank told Cella to hide the fact that he wasn't attending GSTL. This is what Crank did wrong. I don't know why he did this but I'm guessing it's because he found it too difficult to talk to Jessica. Not an excuse at all. As for not being precise on his wants and needs, I don't know about you but it seems clear to me what he wanted and he also talked to management several times it seems.
I don't think it's a double standard because order matters in this case. Getting injured before you start and getting injured before you finish are two very different things. I'm not trying to argue CranK should retire or not, I'm trying to say he didn't leave Slayers for medical reason, otherwise his on-going condition would've kept him off Axiom.
Anyway I guess a lot of it is still conjecture without more "proof" from Jessica (and sadly more drama attached) but I think one thing we can both agree on is that both party is at fault.
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On October 23 2012 14:03 jworld wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 13:57 Shinta) wrote:On October 23 2012 13:48 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 23 2012 13:46 Jaaaaasper wrote:On October 23 2012 13:43 Canucklehead wrote:On October 23 2012 13:41 pdd wrote:
Why do both sides need to blame each other just to determine who was at fault for what is essentially a disbanded team? Because Jessica always needs to get in the last word because she is never wrong or at fault and the world is out to get her. Because Jessica people need to get in the last word because she they is are never wrong and the world is out to get her them. Your correction isn't true in the fact that everyone that has come forward and spoken has apologized about their part in the whole mess EXCEPT Jessica. Hell, MC was dragged into it and he eventually apologized and left it at that. Jessica sees people doing stuff wrong and points them out, so they have to apologize. That's both to save face and to exploit people's idiocy. MC talking like that will not work well for him in Korea, or anywhere really... People leaving the team due to injury then immediately searching for a new team get bad reputations because their actions are sneaky and shorthanded. Jessica has done stuff wrong, but most of it has been mere word slip-ups where solid evidence can back her up so that she's not in the wrong in the end. She's protected herself, most, her team after that, and she's gone at other's necks the least (of those 3, though she has done it). Not going to say Jessica is the bestest person in the whole world, but eSports has too many kids, and not enough people like Jessica, so there is no balance. There is no professionalism, just a bunch of kids running around doing whatever they want. Although I don't fully support Jessica, it's more people like Jessica that are needed to make the Korean eSports scene a little more like the old BW scene (better, although it did have it's problems, it at least was legitimate for the most part). More people that have zero business and management experience? More people that can't take responsibility for their own shortcomings and take no blame and instead put it on everyone else? What this scene needs is people that know how to run a successful business organisation that won't get sick of all the nonsense that goes on and get the hell out.
Or ...
adults who actually READ contracts and OPENLY communicate their intentions rather than ask coaches to keep secrets from team owners?
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On October 23 2012 13:53 Canucklehead wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 13:51 TBXII wrote:
Chill, everybody! Doesn't matter Jessica was agruing with boxer, that he didn't use the strategy SHE wanted and drove him finally into quitting playing at all - she got MMA 20 % off at beauty parlor!
Agreed, the community is at fault. She used strategies proposed by forum users and boxer didn't approve because they were probably all balance whining posts instead of real strategies! 
this doesn't matter anyway, all that matters is - 20% at dermatologist! That must be a huge sum! At least 50 $! *rolleyes*
(p.s. - sarcasm isn't for everybody, so if you are one of the stupid ones - i'm trying to be sarcastic)
but honestly - f***, everybody would survive if MMA played another game wit a pimple, why trying to instruct boxer on the strategies, Yoko Ono?
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On October 23 2012 14:00 pooMonger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 13:45 Shival wrote:
Edit: And that's also the last of what I'll say about this matter. It's just idiotic behavior, and responding to it only makes myself look worse. I hope that the majority atleast sees there's an underlying reason for solely belittling a person. I like how you acknowledge that it makes you look worse, but then you are fucking at the ready to take the bait. Seriously, breathe, and step away from the thread. You have the right to remain silent. Exercise it.
Simply because it utterly misrepresented what I said. To my knowledge I wasn't adding anything to the discussion.
If you think I took the bait, I'm afraid that I'll have to live with that fallacy of mine then.
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Oh, you definitely took the bait.
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So what's the ETA to EG.MMA.RC
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On October 23 2012 14:08 pooMonger wrote:
Oh, you definitely took the bait.
Could we just stop that pointless discussion?
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On October 23 2012 14:08 pooMonger wrote:
Oh, you definitely took the bait.
Fine. Can we get back on track then?
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On October 23 2012 14:04 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 14:03 jworld wrote:On October 23 2012 13:57 Shinta) wrote:On October 23 2012 13:48 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 23 2012 13:46 Jaaaaasper wrote:On October 23 2012 13:43 Canucklehead wrote:On October 23 2012 13:41 pdd wrote:
Why do both sides need to blame each other just to determine who was at fault for what is essentially a disbanded team? Because Jessica always needs to get in the last word because she is never wrong or at fault and the world is out to get her. Because Jessica people need to get in the last word because she they is are never wrong and the world is out to get her them. Your correction isn't true in the fact that everyone that has come forward and spoken has apologized about their part in the whole mess EXCEPT Jessica. Hell, MC was dragged into it and he eventually apologized and left it at that. Jessica sees people doing stuff wrong and points them out, so they have to apologize. That's both to save face and to exploit people's idiocy. MC talking like that will not work well for him in Korea, or anywhere really... People leaving the team due to injury then immediately searching for a new team get bad reputations because their actions are sneaky and shorthanded. Jessica has done stuff wrong, but most of it has been mere word slip-ups where solid evidence can back her up so that she's not in the wrong in the end. She's protected herself, most, her team after that, and she's gone at other's necks the least (of those 3, though she has done it). Not going to say Jessica is the bestest person in the whole world, but eSports has too many kids, and not enough people like Jessica, so there is no balance. There is no professionalism, just a bunch of kids running around doing whatever they want. Although I don't fully support Jessica, it's more people like Jessica that are needed to make the Korean eSports scene a little more like the old BW scene (better, although it did have it's problems, it at least was legitimate for the most part). More people that have zero business and management experience? More people that can't take responsibility for their own shortcomings and take no blame and instead put it on everyone else? What this scene needs is people that know how to run a successful business organisation that won't get sick of all the nonsense that goes on and get the hell out. Or ... adults who actually READ contracts and OPENLY communicate their intentions rather than ask coaches to keep secrets from team owners?
Your talking about young adults that play starcraft full time. They have very little education and no life experiences. They sit in front of a computer all day playing games. They shouldn't be expected to act in as professional manner as management.
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On October 23 2012 14:08 AhOhitzXray wrote:
So what's the ETA to EG.MMA.RC
I give this troll a 3 out of 10.
On a serious note this drama is killin' me.
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I'm still on track, baby: Increase Shival's post count in this thread relative to his overall post count.  Welcome to the game, bro.
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[/QUOTE]but honestly - f***, everybody would survive if MMA played another game wit a pimple, why trying to instruct boxer on the strategies, Yoko Ono?[/QUOTE]
WTF did I just read?
Also, sounds like a bunch of pointless drama that could have been dealt with by effectively communicating... one good successful team meeting... bam... get it all out there, deal with the issues, and get back to focusing on the games at hand... but no... maybe it's cultural differences, maybe it's the fact that they're young, I dunno, but little if any of that giant wall of text in the OP seemed professional.
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On October 23 2012 14:08 pooMonger wrote:
Oh, you definitely took the bait.
Give it a rest already. You two are getting way off topic. Take that shiznit to personal messages so the rest of us don't have to wade through it.
Back on topic - I find it really strange that Jessica told Boxer to rest in the team house and see what was going on, and then Boxer comes back to her saying he didn't see any problems. Were they both that blind to the unrest that was festering in Slayers?
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I just came back and noticed Shival has been upgraded to a marine.
Congrats, bro!
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All thanks to this thread, too! Congratulations, Shival; You earned it, bro!
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Back on topic - I find it really strange that Jessica told Boxer to rest in the team house and see what was going on, and then Boxer comes back to her saying he didn't see any problems. Were they both that blind to the unrest that was festering in Slayers?
To be fair, if you have something like, uhm, a.. "conspiracy" (for the lack of better wording on my side, its not really accurate) going on, and they don't want you to find out, you won't find it out then in a couple of days.
I dont know for how long he stayed in the teamhouse though.
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On October 23 2012 14:13 babylon wrote:I just came back and noticed Shival has been upgraded to a marine. Congrats, bro!
ya man Congrats, you worked hard for it lol.
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On October 23 2012 14:03 eScaper-tsunami wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 13:54 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 13:50 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On October 23 2012 13:41 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 13:32 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On October 23 2012 13:27 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 13:23 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On October 23 2012 13:20 TotalBiscuit wrote:On October 23 2012 13:18 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
3. LOL found his passion again? Oh look, jesus cured him of his neck injury and he found his passion again. Don't be naive. Try being serious for once, it's really quite refreshing. CranK just had to pull out of MLG MvP, a tournament he was WINNING, because of his neck injury. What do you want, doctors notes? Medical records? This neck problem is real and on record ever since his time at SKT1, the fact is established. And that's what I'm saying. It's been an on-going problem and he admits it. Yet he couldn't even let management know about cancelling his game days in advance? If the medical condition was enough to kill his passion for the game in the first place, what makes you think it isn't money that brought him back? I apologize if the jesus joke was crude but in all honesty, somebody who quits the game because of medical reasons, wouldn't and shouldn't come back to the game while still suffering. How much do you think Crank is being paid at the moment? I could probably earn three times what he's making by tutoring high school kids part time. Being a progamer, even on a foreign team, is not glamorous. Then again, progaming is all Crank and other progamers in his situation know so what choice did he have? I'm not defending Crank. He could have done many things differently. All I'm saying is please stop saying Crank screwed people over for money. There is hardly any money in progaming. What else could he have done? He's 23 who served 2 yrs of military. Which probably means he hasn't completed university. And in this economy, and with very little job experience what else can he really do? He's injured and can't do manual labour work as well. I'm not belittling him, but if somebody is willing to pay him to do what he does best, I think he'd take it. I don't think you're belittling him at all. In fact, I think you have a pretty good idea of Crank's situation. However, I don't think it's up to you to decide whether Crank should quit progaming or even whether he's passionate about it. Hell, according to your logic, MVP should have quit a year ago and everyday I see progamers massaging their wrists looking like they're in pain. I may be wrong but I think the difference between you and I is simply that I admire Crank's decision to stay in it despite the injury while you are more critical of this. Thank god it wasn't up to me, if it was up to me, I'd wipe off half the pros on the scene already. Jokes aside, the difference is MVP has an established career, maybe not as much as Boxer. Crank got injured before he even really took off. I honestly feel bad for the guy and I can understand his decision to leave slayers but it's the way he left. He told Cella not to tell Jessica that he's planning on leaving. That screws up management itself. Then he cancels his match without advance notice. And most of all, he criticizes management instead of apologizing for not being precise on his wants and needs. Now those are some fine double standards. If you are good at it, you can keep doing it even if you get injured. If you're not, get out please. I stand by my words that no one should tell Crank to leave the scene because of his injury or any other reason. No he didn't tell Cella to hide the fact he was leaving. Seems like everyone knew about this well in advance. In stead, Crank told Cella to hide the fact that he wasn't attending GSTL. This is what Crank did wrong. I don't know why he did this but I'm guessing it's because he found it too difficult to talk to Jessica. Not an excuse at all. As for not being precise on his wants and needs, I don't know about you but it seems clear to me what he wanted and he also talked to management several times it seems. I don't think it's a double standard because order matters in this case. Getting injured before you start and getting injured before you finish are two very different things. I'm not trying to argue CranK should retire or not, I'm trying to say he didn't leave Slayers for medical reason, otherwise his on-going condition would've kept him off Axiom. Anyway I guess a lot of it is still conjecture without more "proof" from Jessica (and sadly more drama attached) but I think one thing we can both agree on is that both party is at fault.
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Oh wait, you guys would never let it die because you want to debate who's to blame and basically butt your nose in others' business. I honestly can only laugh at the people who have read through the mountain of back and forth accusations in this and then formed opinions and debated who's to blame. Nothing is accomplished by this debate another than perpetuating a drama thread. At least you all know that you can't complain about the community's penchant for drama, because you yourselves have contributed to it directly.
And before you saying I'm a hypocrite for posting in here - someone had to say it .
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Really exciting. Would read again.
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^^ Hear hear, Doodsmack.
I'm only here to troll the ones who are taking it upon themselves to try and turn this into something bigger than it actually is.
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