On October 23 2012 13:18 eScaper-tsunami wrote: 3. LOL found his passion again? Oh look, jesus cured him of his neck injury and he found his passion again. Don't be naive.
Try being serious for once, it's really quite refreshing. CranK just had to pull out of MLG MvP, a tournament he was WINNING, because of his neck injury. What do you want, doctors notes? Medical records? This neck problem is real and on record ever since his time at SKT1, the fact is established.
And that's what I'm saying. It's been an on-going problem and he admits it. Yet he couldn't even let management know about cancelling his game days in advance? If the medical condition was enough to kill his passion for the game in the first place, what makes you think it isn't money that brought him back? I apologize if the jesus joke was crude but in all honesty, somebody who quits the game because of medical reasons, wouldn't and shouldn't come back to the game while still suffering.
How much do you think Crank is being paid at the moment? I could probably earn three times what he's making by tutoring high school kids part time. Being a progamer, even on a foreign team, is not glamorous. Then again, progaming is all Crank and other progamers in his situation know so what choice did he have? I'm not defending Crank. He could have done many things differently. All I'm saying is please stop saying Crank screwed people over for money. There is hardly any money in progaming.
What else could he have done? He's 23 who served 2 yrs of military. Which probably means he hasn't completed university. And in this economy, and with very little job experience what else can he really do? He's injured and can't do manual labour work as well. I'm not belittling him, but if somebody is willing to pay him to do what he does best, I think he'd take it.
I don't think you're belittling him at all. In fact, I think you have a pretty good idea of Crank's situation. However, I don't think it's up to you to decide whether Crank should quit progaming or even whether he's passionate about it. Hell, according to your logic, MVP should have quit a year ago and everyday I see progamers massaging their wrists looking like they're in pain. I may be wrong but I think the difference between you and I is simply that I admire Crank's decision to stay in it despite the injury while you are more critical of this.
Thank god it wasn't up to me, if it was up to me, I'd wipe off half the pros on the scene already. Jokes aside, the difference is MVP has an established career, maybe not as much as Boxer. Crank got injured before he even really took off. I honestly feel bad for the guy and I can understand his decision to leave slayers but it's the way he left. He told Cella not to tell Jessica that he's planning on leaving. That screws up management itself. Then he cancels his match without advance notice. And most of all, he criticizes management instead of apologizing for not being precise on his wants and needs.
Now those are some fine double standards. If you are good at it, you can keep doing it even if you get injured. If you're not, get out please. I stand by my words that no one should tell Crank to leave the scene because of his injury or any other reason.
No he didn't tell Cella to hide the fact he was leaving. Seems like everyone knew about this well in advance. In stead, Crank told Cella to hide the fact that he wasn't attending GSTL. This is what Crank did wrong. I don't know why he did this but I'm guessing it's because he found it too difficult to talk to Jessica. Not an excuse at all. As for not being precise on his wants and needs, I don't know about you but it seems clear to me what he wanted and he also talked to management several times it seems.
I don't think it's a double standard because order matters in this case. Getting injured before you start and getting injured before you finish are two very different things. I'm not trying to argue CranK should retire or not, I'm trying to say he didn't leave Slayers for medical reason, otherwise his on-going condition would've kept him off Axiom.
Anyway I guess a lot of it is still conjecture without more "proof" from Jessica (and sadly more drama attached) but I think one thing we can both agree on is that both party is at fault.
/thread
Oh wait, you guys would never let it die because you want to debate who's to blame and basically butt your nose in others' business. I honestly can only laugh at the people who have read through the mountain of back and forth accusations in this and then formed opinions and debated who's to blame. Nothing is accomplished by this debate another than perpetuating a drama thread. At least you all know that you can't complain about the community's penchant for drama, because you yourselves have contributed to it directly.
And before you saying I'm a hypocrite for posting in here - someone had to say it .
There's nothing wrong with debates though. Storywriter and I are just having an open (quite civilized) discussion of the issue at hand. It's like discussing daily news with a co-worker. You're welcome to join if you want .
On October 23 2012 13:20 TotalBiscuit wrote: [quote]
Try being serious for once, it's really quite refreshing. CranK just had to pull out of MLG MvP, a tournament he was WINNING, because of his neck injury. What do you want, doctors notes? Medical records? This neck problem is real and on record ever since his time at SKT1, the fact is established.
And that's what I'm saying. It's been an on-going problem and he admits it. Yet he couldn't even let management know about cancelling his game days in advance? If the medical condition was enough to kill his passion for the game in the first place, what makes you think it isn't money that brought him back? I apologize if the jesus joke was crude but in all honesty, somebody who quits the game because of medical reasons, wouldn't and shouldn't come back to the game while still suffering.
How much do you think Crank is being paid at the moment? I could probably earn three times what he's making by tutoring high school kids part time. Being a progamer, even on a foreign team, is not glamorous. Then again, progaming is all Crank and other progamers in his situation know so what choice did he have? I'm not defending Crank. He could have done many things differently. All I'm saying is please stop saying Crank screwed people over for money. There is hardly any money in progaming.
What else could he have done? He's 23 who served 2 yrs of military. Which probably means he hasn't completed university. And in this economy, and with very little job experience what else can he really do? He's injured and can't do manual labour work as well. I'm not belittling him, but if somebody is willing to pay him to do what he does best, I think he'd take it.
I don't think you're belittling him at all. In fact, I think you have a pretty good idea of Crank's situation. However, I don't think it's up to you to decide whether Crank should quit progaming or even whether he's passionate about it. Hell, according to your logic, MVP should have quit a year ago and everyday I see progamers massaging their wrists looking like they're in pain. I may be wrong but I think the difference between you and I is simply that I admire Crank's decision to stay in it despite the injury while you are more critical of this.
Thank god it wasn't up to me, if it was up to me, I'd wipe off half the pros on the scene already. Jokes aside, the difference is MVP has an established career, maybe not as much as Boxer. Crank got injured before he even really took off. I honestly feel bad for the guy and I can understand his decision to leave slayers but it's the way he left. He told Cella not to tell Jessica that he's planning on leaving. That screws up management itself. Then he cancels his match without advance notice. And most of all, he criticizes management instead of apologizing for not being precise on his wants and needs.
Now those are some fine double standards. If you are good at it, you can keep doing it even if you get injured. If you're not, get out please. I stand by my words that no one should tell Crank to leave the scene because of his injury or any other reason.
No he didn't tell Cella to hide the fact he was leaving. Seems like everyone knew about this well in advance. In stead, Crank told Cella to hide the fact that he wasn't attending GSTL. This is what Crank did wrong. I don't know why he did this but I'm guessing it's because he found it too difficult to talk to Jessica. Not an excuse at all. As for not being precise on his wants and needs, I don't know about you but it seems clear to me what he wanted and he also talked to management several times it seems.
I don't think it's a double standard because order matters in this case. Getting injured before you start and getting injured before you finish are two very different things. I'm not trying to argue CranK should retire or not, I'm trying to say he didn't leave Slayers for medical reason, otherwise his on-going condition would've kept him off Axiom.
Anyway I guess a lot of it is still conjecture without more "proof" from Jessica (and sadly more drama attached) but I think one thing we can both agree on is that both party is at fault.
/thread
Oh wait, you guys would never let it die because you want to debate who's to blame and basically butt your nose in others' business. I honestly can only laugh at the people who have read through the mountain of back and forth accusations in this and then formed opinions and debated who's to blame. Nothing is accomplished by this debate another than perpetuating a drama thread. At least you all know that you can't complain about the community's penchant for drama, because you yourselves have contributed to it directly.
And before you saying I'm a hypocrite for posting in here - someone had to say it .
There's nothing wrong with debates though. Storywriter and I are just having an open (quite civilized) discussion of the issue at hand. It's like discussing daily news with a co-worker. You're welcome to join if you want .
Exactly this. I don't understand people complaining about it, just leave and read another thread then?
Makes you glad you don't work for a Korean owned team eh?
On October 23 2012 14:19 EG.lectR wrote: Really exciting. Would read again.
Makes you glad you don't work for a Korean owned team eh?
Nah, I don't really care about anything related to this topic. I'm more stunned at how this could generate 62 pages of people arguing!
Only 30 or so pages are actually arguing. The rest is trolling, flaming and beating dead horses. But still better than anything thats going on in television to be honest.
Oh wait, you guys would never let it die because you want to debate who's to blame and basically butt your nose in others' business. I honestly can only laugh at the people who have read through the mountain of back and forth accusations in this and then formed opinions and debated who's to blame. Nothing is accomplished by this debate another than perpetuating a drama thread. At least you all know that you can't complain about the community's penchant for drama, because you yourselves have contributed to it directly.
And before you saying I'm a hypocrite for posting in here - someone had to say it .
There's always these guys. And they always think they are original. I think today's XKCD comic explains your kind best:
No, it can't actually be that some of us were HUGE Slayers fans... HUGE Boxer fans... HUGE MMA or Crank fans... and we're in these threads trying to figure out what happened to our favourite team? Especially since most of the press releases and information has been released in Korean which we don't speak nor read?
No it can't actually be that we're in this thread waiting to come across nuggets of English translations to get a better picture of what's going on, right?
On October 23 2012 13:20 TotalBiscuit wrote: [quote]
Try being serious for once, it's really quite refreshing. CranK just had to pull out of MLG MvP, a tournament he was WINNING, because of his neck injury. What do you want, doctors notes? Medical records? This neck problem is real and on record ever since his time at SKT1, the fact is established.
And that's what I'm saying. It's been an on-going problem and he admits it. Yet he couldn't even let management know about cancelling his game days in advance? If the medical condition was enough to kill his passion for the game in the first place, what makes you think it isn't money that brought him back? I apologize if the jesus joke was crude but in all honesty, somebody who quits the game because of medical reasons, wouldn't and shouldn't come back to the game while still suffering.
How much do you think Crank is being paid at the moment? I could probably earn three times what he's making by tutoring high school kids part time. Being a progamer, even on a foreign team, is not glamorous. Then again, progaming is all Crank and other progamers in his situation know so what choice did he have? I'm not defending Crank. He could have done many things differently. All I'm saying is please stop saying Crank screwed people over for money. There is hardly any money in progaming.
What else could he have done? He's 23 who served 2 yrs of military. Which probably means he hasn't completed university. And in this economy, and with very little job experience what else can he really do? He's injured and can't do manual labour work as well. I'm not belittling him, but if somebody is willing to pay him to do what he does best, I think he'd take it.
I don't think you're belittling him at all. In fact, I think you have a pretty good idea of Crank's situation. However, I don't think it's up to you to decide whether Crank should quit progaming or even whether he's passionate about it. Hell, according to your logic, MVP should have quit a year ago and everyday I see progamers massaging their wrists looking like they're in pain. I may be wrong but I think the difference between you and I is simply that I admire Crank's decision to stay in it despite the injury while you are more critical of this.
Thank god it wasn't up to me, if it was up to me, I'd wipe off half the pros on the scene already. Jokes aside, the difference is MVP has an established career, maybe not as much as Boxer. Crank got injured before he even really took off. I honestly feel bad for the guy and I can understand his decision to leave slayers but it's the way he left. He told Cella not to tell Jessica that he's planning on leaving. That screws up management itself. Then he cancels his match without advance notice. And most of all, he criticizes management instead of apologizing for not being precise on his wants and needs.
Now those are some fine double standards. If you are good at it, you can keep doing it even if you get injured. If you're not, get out please. I stand by my words that no one should tell Crank to leave the scene because of his injury or any other reason.
No he didn't tell Cella to hide the fact he was leaving. Seems like everyone knew about this well in advance. In stead, Crank told Cella to hide the fact that he wasn't attending GSTL. This is what Crank did wrong. I don't know why he did this but I'm guessing it's because he found it too difficult to talk to Jessica. Not an excuse at all. As for not being precise on his wants and needs, I don't know about you but it seems clear to me what he wanted and he also talked to management several times it seems.
I don't think it's a double standard because order matters in this case. Getting injured before you start and getting injured before you finish are two very different things. I'm not trying to argue CranK should retire or not, I'm trying to say he didn't leave Slayers for medical reason, otherwise his on-going condition would've kept him off Axiom.
Anyway I guess a lot of it is still conjecture without more "proof" from Jessica (and sadly more drama attached) but I think one thing we can both agree on is that both party is at fault.
/thread
Oh wait, you guys would never let it die because you want to debate who's to blame and basically butt your nose in others' business. I honestly can only laugh at the people who have read through the mountain of back and forth accusations in this and then formed opinions and debated who's to blame. Nothing is accomplished by this debate another than perpetuating a drama thread. At least you all know that you can't complain about the community's penchant for drama, because you yourselves have contributed to it directly.
And before you saying I'm a hypocrite for posting in here - someone had to say it .
There's nothing wrong with debates though. Storywriter and I are just having an open (quite civilized) discussion of the issue at hand. It's like discussing daily news with a co-worker. You're welcome to join if you want .
@Doodsmack yes, I have a penchant for drama and I'm going to express my opinion whenever I want. If you have a problem, you can... oh wait, there's nothing you can do about it.
@tscaper-tsunami yeah I totally agree both are at fault. However, Jessica fired the first shot and is making it seem like the fall of Slayers was mostly Crank's fault. I don't really care who has the moral high ground, I just don't get why Jessica has it in for Crank so badly.
For some reason i would love a public skype-conversation between Crank, MMA, Boxer, Jessica and Cella. Two things could happen, either the drama stops more or less immediately, because the misunderstanding can be solved, or the drama will unfold tenfold by just accusations and disrespect on all sides.
Sad thing is, i don't know anymore which one is more possible.
On October 23 2012 13:23 eScaper-tsunami wrote: [quote]
And that's what I'm saying. It's been an on-going problem and he admits it. Yet he couldn't even let management know about cancelling his game days in advance? If the medical condition was enough to kill his passion for the game in the first place, what makes you think it isn't money that brought him back? I apologize if the jesus joke was crude but in all honesty, somebody who quits the game because of medical reasons, wouldn't and shouldn't come back to the game while still suffering.
How much do you think Crank is being paid at the moment? I could probably earn three times what he's making by tutoring high school kids part time. Being a progamer, even on a foreign team, is not glamorous. Then again, progaming is all Crank and other progamers in his situation know so what choice did he have? I'm not defending Crank. He could have done many things differently. All I'm saying is please stop saying Crank screwed people over for money. There is hardly any money in progaming.
What else could he have done? He's 23 who served 2 yrs of military. Which probably means he hasn't completed university. And in this economy, and with very little job experience what else can he really do? He's injured and can't do manual labour work as well. I'm not belittling him, but if somebody is willing to pay him to do what he does best, I think he'd take it.
I don't think you're belittling him at all. In fact, I think you have a pretty good idea of Crank's situation. However, I don't think it's up to you to decide whether Crank should quit progaming or even whether he's passionate about it. Hell, according to your logic, MVP should have quit a year ago and everyday I see progamers massaging their wrists looking like they're in pain. I may be wrong but I think the difference between you and I is simply that I admire Crank's decision to stay in it despite the injury while you are more critical of this.
Thank god it wasn't up to me, if it was up to me, I'd wipe off half the pros on the scene already. Jokes aside, the difference is MVP has an established career, maybe not as much as Boxer. Crank got injured before he even really took off. I honestly feel bad for the guy and I can understand his decision to leave slayers but it's the way he left. He told Cella not to tell Jessica that he's planning on leaving. That screws up management itself. Then he cancels his match without advance notice. And most of all, he criticizes management instead of apologizing for not being precise on his wants and needs.
Now those are some fine double standards. If you are good at it, you can keep doing it even if you get injured. If you're not, get out please. I stand by my words that no one should tell Crank to leave the scene because of his injury or any other reason.
No he didn't tell Cella to hide the fact he was leaving. Seems like everyone knew about this well in advance. In stead, Crank told Cella to hide the fact that he wasn't attending GSTL. This is what Crank did wrong. I don't know why he did this but I'm guessing it's because he found it too difficult to talk to Jessica. Not an excuse at all. As for not being precise on his wants and needs, I don't know about you but it seems clear to me what he wanted and he also talked to management several times it seems.
I don't think it's a double standard because order matters in this case. Getting injured before you start and getting injured before you finish are two very different things. I'm not trying to argue CranK should retire or not, I'm trying to say he didn't leave Slayers for medical reason, otherwise his on-going condition would've kept him off Axiom.
Anyway I guess a lot of it is still conjecture without more "proof" from Jessica (and sadly more drama attached) but I think one thing we can both agree on is that both party is at fault.
/thread
Oh wait, you guys would never let it die because you want to debate who's to blame and basically butt your nose in others' business. I honestly can only laugh at the people who have read through the mountain of back and forth accusations in this and then formed opinions and debated who's to blame. Nothing is accomplished by this debate another than perpetuating a drama thread. At least you all know that you can't complain about the community's penchant for drama, because you yourselves have contributed to it directly.
And before you saying I'm a hypocrite for posting in here - someone had to say it .
There's nothing wrong with debates though. Storywriter and I are just having an open (quite civilized) discussion of the issue at hand. It's like discussing daily news with a co-worker. You're welcome to join if you want .
@Doodsmack yes, I have a penchant for drama and I'm going to express my opinion whenever I want. If you have a problem, you can... oh wait, there's nothing you can do about it.
@tscaper-tsunami yeah I totally agree both are at fault. However, Jessica fired the first shot and is making it seem like the fall of Slayers was mostly Crank's fault. I don't really care who has the moral high ground, I just don't get why Jessica has it in for Crank so badly.
So much debate and argument over the past few days There must be like what, 400 pages of all this SlayerS drama if you add all the existing threads together? And that's not including the multiple "sc2 is dying, how to fix" or destiny's thread, or stephano's thread. That's just a little sad but also hilarious at the same time
On October 23 2012 14:33 Whatson wrote: So much debate and argument over the past few days There must be like what, 400 pages of all this SlayerS drama if you add all the existing threads together? And that's not including the multiple "sc2 is dying, how to fix" or destiny's thread, or stephano's thread. That's just a little sad but also hilarious at the same time
Please don't compare Stephanos thread to this topic. While i agree, that there is alot of unnecessary drama here, in the end, a fan-favourite team disbanded, whereas in Stephanos thread people are going apeshit over an oh so inappropriate joke.
On October 23 2012 13:23 eScaper-tsunami wrote: [quote]
And that's what I'm saying. It's been an on-going problem and he admits it. Yet he couldn't even let management know about cancelling his game days in advance? If the medical condition was enough to kill his passion for the game in the first place, what makes you think it isn't money that brought him back? I apologize if the jesus joke was crude but in all honesty, somebody who quits the game because of medical reasons, wouldn't and shouldn't come back to the game while still suffering.
How much do you think Crank is being paid at the moment? I could probably earn three times what he's making by tutoring high school kids part time. Being a progamer, even on a foreign team, is not glamorous. Then again, progaming is all Crank and other progamers in his situation know so what choice did he have? I'm not defending Crank. He could have done many things differently. All I'm saying is please stop saying Crank screwed people over for money. There is hardly any money in progaming.
What else could he have done? He's 23 who served 2 yrs of military. Which probably means he hasn't completed university. And in this economy, and with very little job experience what else can he really do? He's injured and can't do manual labour work as well. I'm not belittling him, but if somebody is willing to pay him to do what he does best, I think he'd take it.
I don't think you're belittling him at all. In fact, I think you have a pretty good idea of Crank's situation. However, I don't think it's up to you to decide whether Crank should quit progaming or even whether he's passionate about it. Hell, according to your logic, MVP should have quit a year ago and everyday I see progamers massaging their wrists looking like they're in pain. I may be wrong but I think the difference between you and I is simply that I admire Crank's decision to stay in it despite the injury while you are more critical of this.
Thank god it wasn't up to me, if it was up to me, I'd wipe off half the pros on the scene already. Jokes aside, the difference is MVP has an established career, maybe not as much as Boxer. Crank got injured before he even really took off. I honestly feel bad for the guy and I can understand his decision to leave slayers but it's the way he left. He told Cella not to tell Jessica that he's planning on leaving. That screws up management itself. Then he cancels his match without advance notice. And most of all, he criticizes management instead of apologizing for not being precise on his wants and needs.
Now those are some fine double standards. If you are good at it, you can keep doing it even if you get injured. If you're not, get out please. I stand by my words that no one should tell Crank to leave the scene because of his injury or any other reason.
No he didn't tell Cella to hide the fact he was leaving. Seems like everyone knew about this well in advance. In stead, Crank told Cella to hide the fact that he wasn't attending GSTL. This is what Crank did wrong. I don't know why he did this but I'm guessing it's because he found it too difficult to talk to Jessica. Not an excuse at all. As for not being precise on his wants and needs, I don't know about you but it seems clear to me what he wanted and he also talked to management several times it seems.
I don't think it's a double standard because order matters in this case. Getting injured before you start and getting injured before you finish are two very different things. I'm not trying to argue CranK should retire or not, I'm trying to say he didn't leave Slayers for medical reason, otherwise his on-going condition would've kept him off Axiom.
Anyway I guess a lot of it is still conjecture without more "proof" from Jessica (and sadly more drama attached) but I think one thing we can both agree on is that both party is at fault.
/thread
Oh wait, you guys would never let it die because you want to debate who's to blame and basically butt your nose in others' business. I honestly can only laugh at the people who have read through the mountain of back and forth accusations in this and then formed opinions and debated who's to blame. Nothing is accomplished by this debate another than perpetuating a drama thread. At least you all know that you can't complain about the community's penchant for drama, because you yourselves have contributed to it directly.
And before you saying I'm a hypocrite for posting in here - someone had to say it .
There's nothing wrong with debates though. Storywriter and I are just having an open (quite civilized) discussion of the issue at hand. It's like discussing daily news with a co-worker. You're welcome to join if you want .
@Doodsmack yes, I have a penchant for drama and I'm going to express my opinion whenever I want. If you have a problem, you can... oh wait, there's nothing you can do about it.
@tscaper-tsunami yeah I totally agree both are at fault. However, Jessica fired the first shot and is making it seem like the fall of Slayers was mostly Crank's fault. I don't really care who has the moral high ground, I just don't get why Jessica has it in for Crank so badly.
Well Jessica does get pissed off easily. You're welcome to correct me, but I believe CranK insulted Jessica's (and Slayers) management in an interview which is bad for Jessica's face. Therefore Jessica is submitting evidence as a form of retaliation. Inevitably somebody is gonna have to lose face and possibly have their career jeopardize. As to who fired the first shot, I think Jessica published almost everything about Slayer's difficulties and CranK was just one of the many problems. Honestly, CranK could've just said "sorry" when Jessica published her article.
On October 23 2012 14:33 Whatson wrote: So much debate and argument over the past few days There must be like what, 400 pages of all this SlayerS drama if you add all the existing threads together? And that's not including the multiple "sc2 is dying, how to fix" or destiny's thread, or stephano's thread. That's just a little sad but also hilarious at the same time
Please don't compare Stephanos thread to this topic. While i agree, that there is alot of unnecessary drama here, in the end, a fan-favourite team disbanded, whereas in Stephanos thread people are going apeshit over an oh so inappropriate joke.
That is an extremely big deal here. Didn't you know?
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