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On October 23 2012 14:31 storywriter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 14:22 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On October 23 2012 14:15 Doodsmack wrote:On October 23 2012 14:03 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On October 23 2012 13:54 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 13:50 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On October 23 2012 13:41 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 13:32 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On October 23 2012 13:27 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 13:23 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
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And that's what I'm saying. It's been an on-going problem and he admits it. Yet he couldn't even let management know about cancelling his game days in advance? If the medical condition was enough to kill his passion for the game in the first place, what makes you think it isn't money that brought him back? I apologize if the jesus joke was crude but in all honesty, somebody who quits the game because of medical reasons, wouldn't and shouldn't come back to the game while still suffering. How much do you think Crank is being paid at the moment? I could probably earn three times what he's making by tutoring high school kids part time. Being a progamer, even on a foreign team, is not glamorous. Then again, progaming is all Crank and other progamers in his situation know so what choice did he have? I'm not defending Crank. He could have done many things differently. All I'm saying is please stop saying Crank screwed people over for money. There is hardly any money in progaming. What else could he have done? He's 23 who served 2 yrs of military. Which probably means he hasn't completed university. And in this economy, and with very little job experience what else can he really do? He's injured and can't do manual labour work as well. I'm not belittling him, but if somebody is willing to pay him to do what he does best, I think he'd take it. I don't think you're belittling him at all. In fact, I think you have a pretty good idea of Crank's situation. However, I don't think it's up to you to decide whether Crank should quit progaming or even whether he's passionate about it. Hell, according to your logic, MVP should have quit a year ago and everyday I see progamers massaging their wrists looking like they're in pain. I may be wrong but I think the difference between you and I is simply that I admire Crank's decision to stay in it despite the injury while you are more critical of this. Thank god it wasn't up to me, if it was up to me, I'd wipe off half the pros on the scene already. Jokes aside, the difference is MVP has an established career, maybe not as much as Boxer. Crank got injured before he even really took off. I honestly feel bad for the guy and I can understand his decision to leave slayers but it's the way he left. He told Cella not to tell Jessica that he's planning on leaving. That screws up management itself. Then he cancels his match without advance notice. And most of all, he criticizes management instead of apologizing for not being precise on his wants and needs. Now those are some fine double standards. If you are good at it, you can keep doing it even if you get injured. If you're not, get out please. I stand by my words that no one should tell Crank to leave the scene because of his injury or any other reason. No he didn't tell Cella to hide the fact he was leaving. Seems like everyone knew about this well in advance. In stead, Crank told Cella to hide the fact that he wasn't attending GSTL. This is what Crank did wrong. I don't know why he did this but I'm guessing it's because he found it too difficult to talk to Jessica. Not an excuse at all. As for not being precise on his wants and needs, I don't know about you but it seems clear to me what he wanted and he also talked to management several times it seems. I don't think it's a double standard because order matters in this case. Getting injured before you start and getting injured before you finish are two very different things. I'm not trying to argue CranK should retire or not, I'm trying to say he didn't leave Slayers for medical reason, otherwise his on-going condition would've kept him off Axiom. Anyway I guess a lot of it is still conjecture without more "proof" from Jessica (and sadly more drama attached) but I think one thing we can both agree on is that both party is at fault. /thread Oh wait, you guys would never let it die because you want to debate who's to blame and basically butt your nose in others' business. I honestly can only laugh at the people who have read through the mountain of back and forth accusations in this and then formed opinions and debated who's to blame. Nothing is accomplished by this debate another than perpetuating a drama thread. At least you all know that you can't complain about the community's penchant for drama, because you yourselves have contributed to it directly. And before you saying I'm a hypocrite for posting in here - someone had to say it  . There's nothing wrong with debates though. Storywriter and I are just having an open (quite civilized) discussion of the issue at hand. It's like discussing daily news with a co-worker. You're welcome to join if you want . @Doodsmack yes, I have a penchant for drama and I'm going to express my opinion whenever I want. If you have a problem, you can... oh wait, there's nothing you can do about it. @tscaper-tsunami yeah I totally agree both are at fault. However, Jessica fired the first shot and is making it seem like the fall of Slayers was mostly Crank's fault. I don't really care who has the moral high ground, I just don't get why Jessica has it in for Crank so badly.
It is simple. Although unprofessional, she has such a strong personality that she can't stand dishonesty and unfair treatment. This has been shown from the past "dramas". She will do whatever it cost to have the opposing party apologize. I can't really understand why Crank hasn't learn the lesson from Dragon. It is pretty much the same case all over again.
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This makes me think that Jessica has recorded a lot of telephone calls. She only releases the one in which Crank was being disrespectful. After jumping back and forth between sides, this time I'm with the players.
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On October 23 2012 14:31 storywriter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 14:22 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On October 23 2012 14:15 Doodsmack wrote:On October 23 2012 14:03 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On October 23 2012 13:54 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 13:50 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On October 23 2012 13:41 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 13:32 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On October 23 2012 13:27 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 13:23 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
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And that's what I'm saying. It's been an on-going problem and he admits it. Yet he couldn't even let management know about cancelling his game days in advance? If the medical condition was enough to kill his passion for the game in the first place, what makes you think it isn't money that brought him back? I apologize if the jesus joke was crude but in all honesty, somebody who quits the game because of medical reasons, wouldn't and shouldn't come back to the game while still suffering. How much do you think Crank is being paid at the moment? I could probably earn three times what he's making by tutoring high school kids part time. Being a progamer, even on a foreign team, is not glamorous. Then again, progaming is all Crank and other progamers in his situation know so what choice did he have? I'm not defending Crank. He could have done many things differently. All I'm saying is please stop saying Crank screwed people over for money. There is hardly any money in progaming. What else could he have done? He's 23 who served 2 yrs of military. Which probably means he hasn't completed university. And in this economy, and with very little job experience what else can he really do? He's injured and can't do manual labour work as well. I'm not belittling him, but if somebody is willing to pay him to do what he does best, I think he'd take it. I don't think you're belittling him at all. In fact, I think you have a pretty good idea of Crank's situation. However, I don't think it's up to you to decide whether Crank should quit progaming or even whether he's passionate about it. Hell, according to your logic, MVP should have quit a year ago and everyday I see progamers massaging their wrists looking like they're in pain. I may be wrong but I think the difference between you and I is simply that I admire Crank's decision to stay in it despite the injury while you are more critical of this. Thank god it wasn't up to me, if it was up to me, I'd wipe off half the pros on the scene already. Jokes aside, the difference is MVP has an established career, maybe not as much as Boxer. Crank got injured before he even really took off. I honestly feel bad for the guy and I can understand his decision to leave slayers but it's the way he left. He told Cella not to tell Jessica that he's planning on leaving. That screws up management itself. Then he cancels his match without advance notice. And most of all, he criticizes management instead of apologizing for not being precise on his wants and needs. Now those are some fine double standards. If you are good at it, you can keep doing it even if you get injured. If you're not, get out please. I stand by my words that no one should tell Crank to leave the scene because of his injury or any other reason. No he didn't tell Cella to hide the fact he was leaving. Seems like everyone knew about this well in advance. In stead, Crank told Cella to hide the fact that he wasn't attending GSTL. This is what Crank did wrong. I don't know why he did this but I'm guessing it's because he found it too difficult to talk to Jessica. Not an excuse at all. As for not being precise on his wants and needs, I don't know about you but it seems clear to me what he wanted and he also talked to management several times it seems. I don't think it's a double standard because order matters in this case. Getting injured before you start and getting injured before you finish are two very different things. I'm not trying to argue CranK should retire or not, I'm trying to say he didn't leave Slayers for medical reason, otherwise his on-going condition would've kept him off Axiom. Anyway I guess a lot of it is still conjecture without more "proof" from Jessica (and sadly more drama attached) but I think one thing we can both agree on is that both party is at fault. /thread Oh wait, you guys would never let it die because you want to debate who's to blame and basically butt your nose in others' business. I honestly can only laugh at the people who have read through the mountain of back and forth accusations in this and then formed opinions and debated who's to blame. Nothing is accomplished by this debate another than perpetuating a drama thread. At least you all know that you can't complain about the community's penchant for drama, because you yourselves have contributed to it directly. And before you saying I'm a hypocrite for posting in here - someone had to say it . There's nothing wrong with debates though. Storywriter and I are just having an open (quite civilized) discussion of the issue at hand. It's like discussing daily news with a co-worker. You're welcome to join if you want . @Doodsmack yes, I have a penchant for drama and I'm going to express my opinion whenever I want. If you have a problem, you can... oh wait, there's nothing you can do about it. @tscaper-tsunami yeah I totally agree both are at fault. However, Jessica fired the first shot and is making it seem like the fall of Slayers was mostly Crank's fault. I don't really care who has the moral high ground, I just don't get why Jessica has it in for Crank so badly.
Glad to see you admit that your arguments don't have any worth because they're just meant to egg on drama.
Not that newcomers to the thread/site needed any confirmation that the majority of things said in here shouldn't be taken seriously. It's just some posters' desire to assign blame, even though by now we can /thread it by saying "all parties are partly to blame." The story has run its course because it's now clear that further "revelations" will just further muddy the topic of who's to blame, thus not leading to any more clearly discernible truth. The bottom line/lesson to be learned was established early, as is the case with all drama threads. These threads getting perpetuated to this many pages and beyond is purely drama seekers engaging in meaningless discussion that is harmful to the community by virtue of the fact that it keeps the thread on the first page.
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On October 23 2012 14:37 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 14:33 Whatson wrote:
So much debate and argument over the past few days
There must be like what, 400 pages of all this SlayerS drama if you add all the existing threads together? And that's not including the multiple "sc2 is dying, how to fix" or destiny's thread, or stephano's thread. That's just a little sad but also hilarious at the same time Please don't compare Stephanos thread to this topic. While i agree, that there is alot of unnecessary drama here, in the end, a fan-favourite team disbanded, whereas in Stephanos thread people are going apeshit over an oh so inappropriate joke.
I agree, and the only comparison that I wanted to make is the incredible amount of arguing and/or flaming/trolling that's been going on in TL.
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On October 23 2012 14:41 Supamang wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 14:37 m4inbrain wrote:On October 23 2012 14:33 Whatson wrote:
So much debate and argument over the past few days
There must be like what, 400 pages of all this SlayerS drama if you add all the existing threads together? And that's not including the multiple "sc2 is dying, how to fix" or destiny's thread, or stephano's thread. That's just a little sad but also hilarious at the same time Please don't compare Stephanos thread to this topic. While i agree, that there is alot of unnecessary drama here, in the end, a fan-favourite team disbanded, whereas in Stephanos thread people are going apeshit over an oh so inappropriate joke. That is an extremely big deal here. Didn't you know?
Well, i do know, but refuse to take part in that thread. If they're going monkey over that joke, it's better they never find out what my friends and me joke about. *cough*
I agree, and the only comparison that I wanted to make is the incredible amount of arguing and/or flaming/trolling that's been going on in TL.
Don't worry mate, i did not actually think that you would really compare them, was just a little rant from my side. 
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On October 23 2012 14:47 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 14:37 m4inbrain wrote:On October 23 2012 14:33 Whatson wrote:
So much debate and argument over the past few days
There must be like what, 400 pages of all this SlayerS drama if you add all the existing threads together? And that's not including the multiple "sc2 is dying, how to fix" or destiny's thread, or stephano's thread. That's just a little sad but also hilarious at the same time Please don't compare Stephanos thread to this topic. While i agree, that there is alot of unnecessary drama here, in the end, a fan-favourite team disbanded, whereas in Stephanos thread people are going apeshit over an oh so inappropriate joke. I agree, and the only comparison that I wanted to make is the incredible amount of arguing and/or flaming/trolling that's been going on in TL.
Well, now, technically we had our own run of "MC SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID THAT!" 
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guys did you see mma nickname during his up/down GSL games?
his nickname was "mavengeance" in French ="myvengeance" in english its me or its weard?
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Jessica : I also cared for players benefits including 50% off in beauty salons like entertainers, free dentist care (used by Alicia 3 times) and 20% off on skin health care (used many times by MMA).
Sorry but I LOL'ed
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On October 23 2012 14:41 eScaper-tsunami wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 14:31 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 14:22 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On October 23 2012 14:15 Doodsmack wrote:On October 23 2012 14:03 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On October 23 2012 13:54 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 13:50 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On October 23 2012 13:41 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 13:32 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On October 23 2012 13:27 storywriter wrote:
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How much do you think Crank is being paid at the moment? I could probably earn three times what he's making by tutoring high school kids part time. Being a progamer, even on a foreign team, is not glamorous. Then again, progaming is all Crank and other progamers in his situation know so what choice did he have? I'm not defending Crank. He could have done many things differently. All I'm saying is please stop saying Crank screwed people over for money. There is hardly any money in progaming. What else could he have done? He's 23 who served 2 yrs of military. Which probably means he hasn't completed university. And in this economy, and with very little job experience what else can he really do? He's injured and can't do manual labour work as well. I'm not belittling him, but if somebody is willing to pay him to do what he does best, I think he'd take it. I don't think you're belittling him at all. In fact, I think you have a pretty good idea of Crank's situation. However, I don't think it's up to you to decide whether Crank should quit progaming or even whether he's passionate about it. Hell, according to your logic, MVP should have quit a year ago and everyday I see progamers massaging their wrists looking like they're in pain. I may be wrong but I think the difference between you and I is simply that I admire Crank's decision to stay in it despite the injury while you are more critical of this. Thank god it wasn't up to me, if it was up to me, I'd wipe off half the pros on the scene already. Jokes aside, the difference is MVP has an established career, maybe not as much as Boxer. Crank got injured before he even really took off. I honestly feel bad for the guy and I can understand his decision to leave slayers but it's the way he left. He told Cella not to tell Jessica that he's planning on leaving. That screws up management itself. Then he cancels his match without advance notice. And most of all, he criticizes management instead of apologizing for not being precise on his wants and needs. Now those are some fine double standards. If you are good at it, you can keep doing it even if you get injured. If you're not, get out please. I stand by my words that no one should tell Crank to leave the scene because of his injury or any other reason. No he didn't tell Cella to hide the fact he was leaving. Seems like everyone knew about this well in advance. In stead, Crank told Cella to hide the fact that he wasn't attending GSTL. This is what Crank did wrong. I don't know why he did this but I'm guessing it's because he found it too difficult to talk to Jessica. Not an excuse at all. As for not being precise on his wants and needs, I don't know about you but it seems clear to me what he wanted and he also talked to management several times it seems. I don't think it's a double standard because order matters in this case. Getting injured before you start and getting injured before you finish are two very different things. I'm not trying to argue CranK should retire or not, I'm trying to say he didn't leave Slayers for medical reason, otherwise his on-going condition would've kept him off Axiom. Anyway I guess a lot of it is still conjecture without more "proof" from Jessica (and sadly more drama attached) but I think one thing we can both agree on is that both party is at fault. /thread Oh wait, you guys would never let it die because you want to debate who's to blame and basically butt your nose in others' business. I honestly can only laugh at the people who have read through the mountain of back and forth accusations in this and then formed opinions and debated who's to blame. Nothing is accomplished by this debate another than perpetuating a drama thread. At least you all know that you can't complain about the community's penchant for drama, because you yourselves have contributed to it directly. And before you saying I'm a hypocrite for posting in here - someone had to say it . There's nothing wrong with debates though. Storywriter and I are just having an open (quite civilized) discussion of the issue at hand. It's like discussing daily news with a co-worker. You're welcome to join if you want . @Doodsmack yes, I have a penchant for drama and I'm going to express my opinion whenever I want. If you have a problem, you can... oh wait, there's nothing you can do about it. @tscaper-tsunami yeah I totally agree both are at fault. However, Jessica fired the first shot and is making it seem like the fall of Slayers was mostly Crank's fault. I don't really care who has the moral high ground, I just don't get why Jessica has it in for Crank so badly. Well Jessica does get pissed off easily. You're welcome to correct me, but I believe CranK insulted Jessica's (and Slayers) management in an interview which is bad for Jessica's face. Therefore Jessica is submitting evidence as a form of retaliation. Inevitably somebody is gonna have to lose face and possibly have their career jeopardize. As to who fired the first shot, I think Jessica published almost everything about Slayer's difficulties and CranK was just one of the many problems. Honestly, CranK could've just said "sorry" when Jessica published her article.
It seems I made a mistake earlier on. It was Cella who told Jessica that Crank was quitting after he went home, not Crank himself so he's done more wrong than I initially thought. Then again, Jessica really had no reason to bring up Crank in the original interview, I feel. It hasn't done any good for either of them. Yeah, I think she's just pissed and wants to be told by the masses "oh, you poor thing".
Also, regarding Crank's criticisms of Jessica's management of Slayers, he didn't say a thing about her until she released the original article blaming Crank for the team's demise. In my view, he was simply defending himself saying that he did what he could. He couldn't have just said "sorry" and moved on... his image was ruined already.
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First thing I want to reveal is that I made a mistake with manager J. It was my mistake in judgment to bring him onto the team. The main reason for discord in managing the team was because I brought manager J into the team. I want to apologize to the fans first and I want to apologize for disbanding the team.
From Jessica, thats a good note to (finally) go to bed with. Who would have thought.
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On October 23 2012 14:45 Doodsmack wrote:
These threads getting perpetuated to this many pages and beyond is purely drama seekers engaging in meaningless discussion that is harmful to the community by virtue of the fact that it keeps the thread on the first page.
Self professed hater of drama being overly dramatic? That's rich.
You're being overly dramatic about this being that harmful to the community. The Team Liquid management has posted this link on the front homepage of this site. It's also the top of the news and community forum, which only they have access to post threads in.
If they thought it was so harmful, they wouldn't be putting it on their homepage. And I'm quite certain Team Liquid management knows way more about the community and esports than you do.
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On October 23 2012 14:45 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 14:31 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 14:22 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On October 23 2012 14:15 Doodsmack wrote:On October 23 2012 14:03 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On October 23 2012 13:54 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 13:50 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On October 23 2012 13:41 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 13:32 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On October 23 2012 13:27 storywriter wrote:
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How much do you think Crank is being paid at the moment? I could probably earn three times what he's making by tutoring high school kids part time. Being a progamer, even on a foreign team, is not glamorous. Then again, progaming is all Crank and other progamers in his situation know so what choice did he have? I'm not defending Crank. He could have done many things differently. All I'm saying is please stop saying Crank screwed people over for money. There is hardly any money in progaming. What else could he have done? He's 23 who served 2 yrs of military. Which probably means he hasn't completed university. And in this economy, and with very little job experience what else can he really do? He's injured and can't do manual labour work as well. I'm not belittling him, but if somebody is willing to pay him to do what he does best, I think he'd take it. I don't think you're belittling him at all. In fact, I think you have a pretty good idea of Crank's situation. However, I don't think it's up to you to decide whether Crank should quit progaming or even whether he's passionate about it. Hell, according to your logic, MVP should have quit a year ago and everyday I see progamers massaging their wrists looking like they're in pain. I may be wrong but I think the difference between you and I is simply that I admire Crank's decision to stay in it despite the injury while you are more critical of this. Thank god it wasn't up to me, if it was up to me, I'd wipe off half the pros on the scene already. Jokes aside, the difference is MVP has an established career, maybe not as much as Boxer. Crank got injured before he even really took off. I honestly feel bad for the guy and I can understand his decision to leave slayers but it's the way he left. He told Cella not to tell Jessica that he's planning on leaving. That screws up management itself. Then he cancels his match without advance notice. And most of all, he criticizes management instead of apologizing for not being precise on his wants and needs. Now those are some fine double standards. If you are good at it, you can keep doing it even if you get injured. If you're not, get out please. I stand by my words that no one should tell Crank to leave the scene because of his injury or any other reason. No he didn't tell Cella to hide the fact he was leaving. Seems like everyone knew about this well in advance. In stead, Crank told Cella to hide the fact that he wasn't attending GSTL. This is what Crank did wrong. I don't know why he did this but I'm guessing it's because he found it too difficult to talk to Jessica. Not an excuse at all. As for not being precise on his wants and needs, I don't know about you but it seems clear to me what he wanted and he also talked to management several times it seems. I don't think it's a double standard because order matters in this case. Getting injured before you start and getting injured before you finish are two very different things. I'm not trying to argue CranK should retire or not, I'm trying to say he didn't leave Slayers for medical reason, otherwise his on-going condition would've kept him off Axiom. Anyway I guess a lot of it is still conjecture without more "proof" from Jessica (and sadly more drama attached) but I think one thing we can both agree on is that both party is at fault. /thread Oh wait, you guys would never let it die because you want to debate who's to blame and basically butt your nose in others' business. I honestly can only laugh at the people who have read through the mountain of back and forth accusations in this and then formed opinions and debated who's to blame. Nothing is accomplished by this debate another than perpetuating a drama thread. At least you all know that you can't complain about the community's penchant for drama, because you yourselves have contributed to it directly. And before you saying I'm a hypocrite for posting in here - someone had to say it . There's nothing wrong with debates though. Storywriter and I are just having an open (quite civilized) discussion of the issue at hand. It's like discussing daily news with a co-worker. You're welcome to join if you want . @Doodsmack yes, I have a penchant for drama and I'm going to express my opinion whenever I want. If you have a problem, you can... oh wait, there's nothing you can do about it. @tscaper-tsunami yeah I totally agree both are at fault. However, Jessica fired the first shot and is making it seem like the fall of Slayers was mostly Crank's fault. I don't really care who has the moral high ground, I just don't get why Jessica has it in for Crank so badly. Glad to see you admit that your arguments don't have any worth because they're just meant to egg on drama. Not that newcomers to the thread/site needed any confirmation that the majority of things said in here shouldn't be taken seriously. It's just some posters' desire to assign blame, even though by now we can /thread it by saying "all parties are partly to blame." The story has run its course because it's now clear that further "revelations" will just further muddy the topic of who's to blame, thus not leading to any more clearly discernible truth. The bottom line/lesson to be learned was established early, as is the case with all drama threads. These threads getting perpetuated to this many pages and beyond is purely drama seekers engaging in meaningless discussion that is harmful to the community by virtue of the fact that it keeps the thread on the first page.
Doodsmack for sc2 president 2012.
Seriously, who gave you the right to decide when a topic doesn't need any more discussion? I never said my opinions have no worth nor that they're just meant to egg on drama. There is nothing wrong with wanting to think things through and judge for oneself where things went wrong. If you think my opinions are wrong, that's great. Ignore them by all means. Just don't come in on your fucking high horse telling me what to do.
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I am going to be honest, all the news, scandals and Jessica's actions tell me that she is a kid of a woman who is very difficult to deal with. Whilst I understand that she may feel its her right to do whatever with the team she/her family invested in, you gotta take a moment and think, does she understand the game? Does she understand the players? Is she a manager at all? And last but not least, is there any other woman in SC2 doing what she is doing, i.e. being a watchdog for everything?
With guys, you can go and talk one-on-one without much drama and be open with. I feel like a lot of players hesitated due to her not being a man.
I don't want to get sexist, but this story has a lot to do with it, IMO. I couldn't get any sincerity in long long interviews and writings of Jessica so far. I can totally feel MMA and other players. I have a lady boss, and it's a very thin rope you have to walk, and it's tiresome at times. I am not the "OK, boss" type person, so I am leaving my job as well, just moving to a similar/higher job at a different place, though they want me to stay. It's just you have to keep everything to yourself, worrying about feelings of her.
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As expected she backtracks on a lot of "truths". Feels like she finally admits something here was partially her fault though with trusting manager J.
Still, MMA vs Jessica is definitely very much he said she said currently I feel. "Jessica ruined Boxer" "No players ruined Boxer!". Etc.
Honestly, everyone here is in the wrong somehow. Disbandings aren't this dramatic unless there are a tonne of issues.
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Again, reading her. I feel like vomiting. I just know that type...
We can see that MMA always felt much more comfortable talking to Crank, J, Boxer, Cella whoever just not the drama queen.
Reading the whole story, I am not even sure if MMA should apologiza or Jessica. I'd say the latter, but again, she wants to sit on a high horse, being right, as usual, surrounded by enemies and bastards.
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oh come on seriously? i pretty much believe theres a reason why jessica and boxer's team have so much trust from the koreans. jessica might be a drama queen but she already made like 2 people who challenged her apologize so im pretty much still on her side
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On October 23 2012 14:51 storywriter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 14:41 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On October 23 2012 14:31 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 14:22 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On October 23 2012 14:15 Doodsmack wrote:On October 23 2012 14:03 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On October 23 2012 13:54 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 13:50 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On October 23 2012 13:41 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 13:32 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
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What else could he have done? He's 23 who served 2 yrs of military. Which probably means he hasn't completed university. And in this economy, and with very little job experience what else can he really do? He's injured and can't do manual labour work as well. I'm not belittling him, but if somebody is willing to pay him to do what he does best, I think he'd take it. I don't think you're belittling him at all. In fact, I think you have a pretty good idea of Crank's situation. However, I don't think it's up to you to decide whether Crank should quit progaming or even whether he's passionate about it. Hell, according to your logic, MVP should have quit a year ago and everyday I see progamers massaging their wrists looking like they're in pain. I may be wrong but I think the difference between you and I is simply that I admire Crank's decision to stay in it despite the injury while you are more critical of this. Thank god it wasn't up to me, if it was up to me, I'd wipe off half the pros on the scene already. Jokes aside, the difference is MVP has an established career, maybe not as much as Boxer. Crank got injured before he even really took off. I honestly feel bad for the guy and I can understand his decision to leave slayers but it's the way he left. He told Cella not to tell Jessica that he's planning on leaving. That screws up management itself. Then he cancels his match without advance notice. And most of all, he criticizes management instead of apologizing for not being precise on his wants and needs. Now those are some fine double standards. If you are good at it, you can keep doing it even if you get injured. If you're not, get out please. I stand by my words that no one should tell Crank to leave the scene because of his injury or any other reason. No he didn't tell Cella to hide the fact he was leaving. Seems like everyone knew about this well in advance. In stead, Crank told Cella to hide the fact that he wasn't attending GSTL. This is what Crank did wrong. I don't know why he did this but I'm guessing it's because he found it too difficult to talk to Jessica. Not an excuse at all. As for not being precise on his wants and needs, I don't know about you but it seems clear to me what he wanted and he also talked to management several times it seems. I don't think it's a double standard because order matters in this case. Getting injured before you start and getting injured before you finish are two very different things. I'm not trying to argue CranK should retire or not, I'm trying to say he didn't leave Slayers for medical reason, otherwise his on-going condition would've kept him off Axiom. Anyway I guess a lot of it is still conjecture without more "proof" from Jessica (and sadly more drama attached) but I think one thing we can both agree on is that both party is at fault. /thread Oh wait, you guys would never let it die because you want to debate who's to blame and basically butt your nose in others' business. I honestly can only laugh at the people who have read through the mountain of back and forth accusations in this and then formed opinions and debated who's to blame. Nothing is accomplished by this debate another than perpetuating a drama thread. At least you all know that you can't complain about the community's penchant for drama, because you yourselves have contributed to it directly. And before you saying I'm a hypocrite for posting in here - someone had to say it . There's nothing wrong with debates though. Storywriter and I are just having an open (quite civilized) discussion of the issue at hand. It's like discussing daily news with a co-worker. You're welcome to join if you want . @Doodsmack yes, I have a penchant for drama and I'm going to express my opinion whenever I want. If you have a problem, you can... oh wait, there's nothing you can do about it. @tscaper-tsunami yeah I totally agree both are at fault. However, Jessica fired the first shot and is making it seem like the fall of Slayers was mostly Crank's fault. I don't really care who has the moral high ground, I just don't get why Jessica has it in for Crank so badly. Well Jessica does get pissed off easily. You're welcome to correct me, but I believe CranK insulted Jessica's (and Slayers) management in an interview which is bad for Jessica's face. Therefore Jessica is submitting evidence as a form of retaliation. Inevitably somebody is gonna have to lose face and possibly have their career jeopardize. As to who fired the first shot, I think Jessica published almost everything about Slayer's difficulties and CranK was just one of the many problems. Honestly, CranK could've just said "sorry" when Jessica published her article. It seems I made a mistake earlier on. It was Cella who told Jessica that Crank was quitting after he went home, not Crank himself so he's done more wrong than I initially thought. Then again, Jessica really had no reason to bring up Crank in the original interview, I feel. It hasn't done any good for either of them. Yeah, I think she's just pissed and wants to be told by the masses "oh, you poor thing". Also, regarding Crank's criticisms of Jessica's management of Slayers, he didn't say a thing about her until she released the original article blaming Crank for the team's demise. In my view, he was simply defending himself saying that he did what he could. He couldn't have just said "sorry" and moved on... his image was ruined already.
Just read the latest interview, Jessica is still with-holding more information. You're right, CranK's image was probably scarred in many people's mind the moment Jessica made her posts. Disregarding whether CranK was at fault for this or not, I think an apology for damage control is much better than what he has to go through now. The only good thing right now for Crank is that TB seems to have a lot of faith in the guy, which is good but faith only lasts so long once things get completely out of control.
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On October 23 2012 14:59 bittman wrote:As expected she backtracks on a lot of "truths". Feels like she finally admits something here was partially her fault though with trusting manager J. Still, MMA vs Jessica is definitely very much he said she said currently I feel. "Jessica ruined Boxer" "No players ruined Boxer!". Etc. Honestly, everyone here is in the wrong somehow. Disbandings aren't this dramatic unless there are a tonne of issues.
From an outsider's perspective, a lot of it just seems like trust issues between management and players. Happens a lot in any workplace but Jessica does blow it out of proportion a bit. Sadly, the players are too rock-headed to realise, it's much easier for them to state their apologies to Jessica and move on. I really don't think the individuals in the community is completely leaning on one side of the entire issue.
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I feel manager J never should of been on the team. Also Jessica seems to have handled this very poorly as well BoxeR should of told MMA the truth.
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