On October 23 2012 13:18 eScaper-tsunami wrote: 3. LOL found his passion again? Oh look, jesus cured him of his neck injury and he found his passion again. Don't be naive.
Try being serious for once, it's really quite refreshing. CranK just had to pull out of MLG MvP, a tournament he was WINNING, because of his neck injury. What do you want, doctors notes? Medical records? This neck problem is real and on record ever since his time at SKT1, the fact is established.
And that's what I'm saying. It's been an on-going problem and he admits it. Yet he couldn't even let management know about cancelling his game days in advance? If the medical condition was enough to kill his passion for the game in the first place, what makes you think it isn't money that brought him back? I apologize if the jesus joke was crude but in all honesty, somebody who quits the game because of medical reasons, wouldn't and shouldn't come back to the game while still suffering.
How much do you think Crank is being paid at the moment? I could probably earn three times what he's making by tutoring high school kids part time. Being a progamer, even on a foreign team, is not glamorous. Then again, progaming is all Crank and other progamers in his situation know so what choice did he have? I'm not defending Crank. He could have done many things differently. All I'm saying is please stop saying Crank screwed people over for money. There is hardly any money in progaming.
What else could he have done? He's 23 who served 2 yrs of military. Which probably means he hasn't completed university. And in this economy, and with very little job experience what else can he really do? He's injured and can't do manual labour work as well. I'm not belittling him, but if somebody is willing to pay him to do what he does best, I think he'd take it.
I don't think you're belittling him at all. In fact, I think you have a pretty good idea of Crank's situation. However, I don't think it's up to you to decide whether Crank should quit progaming or even whether he's passionate about it. Hell, according to your logic, MVP should have quit a year ago and everyday I see progamers massaging their wrists looking like they're in pain. I may be wrong but I think the difference between you and I is simply that I admire Crank's decision to stay in it despite the injury while you are more critical of this.
Thank god it wasn't up to me, if it was up to me, I'd wipe off half the pros on the scene already. Jokes aside, the difference is MVP has an established career, maybe not as much as Boxer. Crank got injured before he even really took off. I honestly feel bad for the guy and I can understand his decision to leave slayers but it's the way he left. He told Cella not to tell Jessica that he's planning on leaving. That screws up management itself. Then he cancels his match without advance notice. And most of all, he criticizes management instead of apologizing for not being precise on his wants and needs.
Edit: Since I'm usually a lurker, I just want to give a shout out to Storywriter and TB for their contribution to the community. :D
On October 23 2012 13:45 Supamang wrote: All I see is people blinded by the fact that they love SC2 pros. Jessica is not a player, she doesn't directly provide the entertainment so people dont really relate to her. They say "Koreans are only siding with her because shes a celebrity" but someone else brought up that Koreans are just as quick to turn on celebrities (personal experience, I knew this guy called Jay Park who said he was a singer in Korea but came back to the US because of one thing he said about Korea on his MySpace. Apparently the general populace wouldn't forgive him).
People aren't blaming Jessica for everything, they just want her to take at least some small share of the blame. Not once has she admitted to any fault in the collapse of the team which is ludicrous to believe when she is the operational manager.
Why do both sides need to blame each other just to determine who was at fault for what is essentially a disbanded team?
Because Jessica always needs to get in the last word because she is never wrong or at fault and the world is out to get her.
Because Jessica people need to get in the last word because she they is are never wrong and the world is out to get her them.
Your correction isn't true in the fact that everyone that has come forward and spoken has apologized about their part in the whole mess EXCEPT Jessica.
Hell, MC was dragged into it and he eventually apologized and left it at that.
Wait. WHAT. What does MC have to do with ANYTHING????
Edit: Aside from writing a novel on the 19th, and one tweet to Jessica. ...The heck was he saying?
Chill, everybody! Doesn't matter Jessica was agruing with boxer, that he didn't use the strategy SHE wanted and drove him finally into quitting playing at all - she got MMA 20 % off at beauty parlor!
Haha, I called all of this as soon as news came out of MMA's "demotion" and BoxeR quitting as a player.
Jessica might not have attempted to be "evil" but all of her actions just reek of inexperience when it comes to managing a team. Everything she does is a blatant attempt at only looking out for herself (such as the trading players for a prodigious sum), pocketing all the finances personally before distributing it amongst the rest of the team; it is to make sure SHE doesn't get screwed just because she has the power to look out for herself first. Thus, as a result, once the cash reaches her hand, its clear that distributing the rest of it is put on the back-burner. She also fluffs up her actions by making her tiny insignificant contributions (beauty salon) seem like such a great and wise deed, when everyone knows that of course its the paycheck that is imperative.
Just a simple case of personal greed driving a team that had so much potential into just another failed project.
Why do both sides need to blame each other just to determine who was at fault for what is essentially a disbanded team?
Because Jessica always needs to get in the last word because she is never wrong or at fault and the world is out to get her.
Because Jessica people need to get in the last word because she they is are never wrong and the world is out to get her them.
Your correction isn't true in the fact that everyone that has come forward and spoken has apologized about their part in the whole mess EXCEPT Jessica.
Hell, MC was dragged into it and he eventually apologized and left it at that.
Wait. WHAT. What does MC have to do with ANYTHING????
Nothing. He had an opinion, Jessica didn't like that. Retracted opinion super fast and ducked out of firing line.
On October 23 2012 13:51 TBXII wrote: Chill, everybody! Doesn't matter Jessica was agruing with boxer, that he didn't use the strategy SHE wanted and drove him finally into quitting playing at all - she got MMA 20 % off at beauty parlor!
Agreed, the community is at fault. She used strategies proposed by forum users and boxer didn't approve because they were probably all balance whining posts instead of real strategies!
Why do both sides need to blame each other just to determine who was at fault for what is essentially a disbanded team?
Because Jessica always needs to get in the last word because she is never wrong or at fault and the world is out to get her.
Because Jessica people need to get in the last word because she they is are never wrong and the world is out to get her them.
Your correction isn't true in the fact that everyone that has come forward and spoken has apologized about their part in the whole mess EXCEPT Jessica.
Hell, MC was dragged into it and he eventually apologized and left it at that.
Wait. WHAT. What does MC have to do with ANYTHING????
He was a part of ESF which made an illegall ban, MC, which is a part of ESF said that SlayerS were scum. People got mad, MC talked back, then he aplogized.
Why do both sides need to blame each other just to determine who was at fault for what is essentially a disbanded team?
Because Jessica always needs to get in the last word because she is never wrong or at fault and the world is out to get her.
Because Jessica people need to get in the last word because she they is are never wrong and the world is out to get her them.
Your correction isn't true in the fact that everyone that has come forward and spoken has apologized about their part in the whole mess EXCEPT Jessica.
Hell, MC was dragged into it and he eventually apologized and left it at that.
Wait. WHAT. What does MC have to do with ANYTHING????
Nothing. He had an opinion, Jessica didn't like that. Retracted opinion super fast and ducked out of firing line.
I see. Well he certainly wrote a lot...wish I could read Korean. -sigh-
I'm not higher on my post numbers in this thread than a couple of other posters actually. Maybe by a slim margin. I may be invested in it, but that doesn't change any of the comments I make, thus it seems to me irrelevant. One can only imagine who I am and why I am so invested.
I am not caught up on semantics, my posts in this thread are not even 1% of the total posts. He said that half of the posts in this thread are mine. If you want to call that semantics that's fine, but it's also very belittling and shows poor character on TotalBisquits part.
I can do what I very much want myself, thank you very much for your consideration though.
^^This post is 80% strawman, brought to you by Strawman Industries.
And no, I disagree that you think it's 'belittling and shows poor character.' You are taking it as a personal offense instead of an objective fact to be considered.
Strawman? Do you even realize what you're saying? If anything it was TotalBisquit that did it, but even that makes barely sense.
It's neither objective, for reasons I stated, and it is also an offense for reasons stated.
On October 23 2012 13:18 eScaper-tsunami wrote: 3. LOL found his passion again? Oh look, jesus cured him of his neck injury and he found his passion again. Don't be naive.
Try being serious for once, it's really quite refreshing. CranK just had to pull out of MLG MvP, a tournament he was WINNING, because of his neck injury. What do you want, doctors notes? Medical records? This neck problem is real and on record ever since his time at SKT1, the fact is established.
And that's what I'm saying. It's been an on-going problem and he admits it. Yet he couldn't even let management know about cancelling his game days in advance? If the medical condition was enough to kill his passion for the game in the first place, what makes you think it isn't money that brought him back? I apologize if the jesus joke was crude but in all honesty, somebody who quits the game because of medical reasons, wouldn't and shouldn't come back to the game while still suffering.
How much do you think Crank is being paid at the moment? I could probably earn three times what he's making by tutoring high school kids part time. Being a progamer, even on a foreign team, is not glamorous. Then again, progaming is all Crank and other progamers in his situation know so what choice did he have? I'm not defending Crank. He could have done many things differently. All I'm saying is please stop saying Crank screwed people over for money. There is hardly any money in progaming.
What else could he have done? He's 23 who served 2 yrs of military. Which probably means he hasn't completed university. And in this economy, and with very little job experience what else can he really do? He's injured and can't do manual labour work as well. I'm not belittling him, but if somebody is willing to pay him to do what he does best, I think he'd take it.
I don't think you're belittling him at all. In fact, I think you have a pretty good idea of Crank's situation. However, I don't think it's up to you to decide whether Crank should quit progaming or even whether he's passionate about it. Hell, according to your logic, MVP should have quit a year ago and everyday I see progamers massaging their wrists looking like they're in pain. I may be wrong but I think the difference between you and I is simply that I admire Crank's decision to stay in it despite the injury while you are more critical of this.
Thank god it wasn't up to me, if it was up to me, I'd wipe off half the pros on the scene already. Jokes aside, the difference is MVP has an established career, maybe not as much as Boxer. Crank got injured before he even really took off. I honestly feel bad for the guy and I can understand his decision to leave slayers but it's the way he left. He told Cella not to tell Jessica that he's planning on leaving. That screws up management itself. Then he cancels his match without advance notice. And most of all, he criticizes management instead of apologizing for not being precise on his wants and needs.
Now those are some fine double standards. If you are good at it, you can keep doing it even if you get injured. If you're not, get out please. I stand by my words that no one should tell Crank to leave the scene because of his injury or any other reason.
No he didn't tell Cella to hide the fact he was leaving. Seems like everyone knew about this well in advance. In stead, Crank told Cella to hide the fact that he wasn't attending GSTL. This is what Crank did wrong. I don't know why he did this but I'm guessing it's because he found it too difficult to talk to Jessica. Not an excuse at all. As for not being precise on his wants and needs, I don't know about you but it seems clear to me what he wanted and he also talked to management several times it seems.
edit: thank you although I'm not translating much atm because of uni... I should have much more time come December
I'm not higher on my post numbers in this thread than a couple of other posters actually. Maybe by a slim margin. I may be invested in it, but that doesn't change any of the comments I make, thus it seems to me irrelevant. One can only imagine who I am and why I am so invested.
I am not caught up on semantics, my posts in this thread are not even 1% of the total posts. He said that half of the posts in this thread are mine. If you want to call that semantics that's fine, but it's also very belittling and shows poor character on TotalBisquits part.
I can do what I very much want myself, thank you very much for your consideration though.
^^This post is 80% strawman, brought to you by Strawman Industries.
And no, I disagree that you think it's 'belittling and shows poor character.' You are taking it as a personal offense instead of an objective fact to be considered.
Strawman? Do you even realize what you're saying? If anything it was TotalBisquit that did it, but even that makes barely sense.
It's neither objective, for reasons I stated, and it is also an offense for reasons stated.
I don't mean to be rude but isn't it kind of mean to call TB TotalBis"quit"...? No, I couldn't sleep, sorry...heh.
Why do both sides need to blame each other just to determine who was at fault for what is essentially a disbanded team?
Because Jessica always needs to get in the last word because she is never wrong or at fault and the world is out to get her.
Because Jessica people need to get in the last word because she they is are never wrong and the world is out to get her them.
Your correction isn't true in the fact that everyone that has come forward and spoken has apologized about their part in the whole mess EXCEPT Jessica.
Hell, MC was dragged into it and he eventually apologized and left it at that.
Jessica sees people doing stuff wrong and points them out, so they have to apologize. That's both to save face and to exploit people's idiocy. MC talking like that will not work well for him in Korea, or anywhere really... People leaving the team due to injury then immediately searching for a new team get bad reputations because their actions are sneaky and shorthanded.
Jessica has done stuff wrong, but most of it has been mere word slip-ups where solid evidence can back her up so that she's not in the wrong in the end. She's protected herself, most, her team after that, and she's gone at other's necks the least (of those 3, though she has done it). Not going to say Jessica is the bestest person in the whole world, but eSports has too many kids, and not enough people like Jessica, so there is no balance. There is no professionalism, just a bunch of kids running around doing whatever they want.
Although I don't fully support Jessica, it's more people like Jessica that are needed to make the Korean eSports scene a little more like the old BW scene (better, although it did have it's problems, it at least was legitimate for the most part).
On October 23 2012 13:45 Supamang wrote: All I see is people blinded by the fact that they love SC2 pros. Jessica is not a player, she doesn't directly provide the entertainment so people dont really relate to her. They say "Koreans are only siding with her because shes a celebrity" but someone else brought up that Koreans are just as quick to turn on celebrities (personal experience, I knew this guy called Jay Park who said he was a singer in Korea but came back to the US because of one thing he said about Korea on his MySpace. Apparently the general populace wouldn't forgive him).
People aren't blaming Jessica for everything, they just want her to take at least some small share of the blame. Not once has she admitted to any fault in the collapse of the team which is ludicrous to believe when she is the operational manager.
We must not be reading the same threads -.-. Look, as a Jessica/Boxer/Cella "supporter" I definitely agree that the burden of blame is shared and that Jessica's personality (off what she's shown) tends to be overbearing. That said, the number of people in "anti" Jessica group saying she should take some blame is dwarfed by the number of terrible misogynistic comments one-liners. There's just as much mudslinging on the forums as there is between the relevant parties =\.
On October 23 2012 13:18 eScaper-tsunami wrote: 3. LOL found his passion again? Oh look, jesus cured him of his neck injury and he found his passion again. Don't be naive.
Try being serious for once, it's really quite refreshing. CranK just had to pull out of MLG MvP, a tournament he was WINNING, because of his neck injury. What do you want, doctors notes? Medical records? This neck problem is real and on record ever since his time at SKT1, the fact is established.
And that's what I'm saying. It's been an on-going problem and he admits it. Yet he couldn't even let management know about cancelling his game days in advance? If the medical condition was enough to kill his passion for the game in the first place, what makes you think it isn't money that brought him back? I apologize if the jesus joke was crude but in all honesty, somebody who quits the game because of medical reasons, wouldn't and shouldn't come back to the game while still suffering.
How much do you think Crank is being paid at the moment? I could probably earn three times what he's making by tutoring high school kids part time. Being a progamer, even on a foreign team, is not glamorous. Then again, progaming is all Crank and other progamers in his situation know so what choice did he have? I'm not defending Crank. He could have done many things differently. All I'm saying is please stop saying Crank screwed people over for money. There is hardly any money in progaming.
What else could he have done? He's 23 who served 2 yrs of military. Which probably means he hasn't completed university. And in this economy, and with very little job experience what else can he really do? He's injured and can't do manual labour work as well. I'm not belittling him, but if somebody is willing to pay him to do what he does best, I think he'd take it.
I don't think you're belittling him at all. In fact, I think you have a pretty good idea of Crank's situation. However, I don't think it's up to you to decide whether Crank should quit progaming or even whether he's passionate about it. Hell, according to your logic, MVP should have quit a year ago and everyday I see progamers massaging their wrists looking like they're in pain. I may be wrong but I think the difference between you and I is simply that I admire Crank's decision to stay in it despite the injury while you are more critical of this.
Thank god it wasn't up to me, if it was up to me, I'd wipe off half the pros on the scene already. Jokes aside, the difference is MVP has an established career, maybe not as much as Boxer. Crank got injured before he even really took off. I honestly feel bad for the guy and I can understand his decision to leave slayers but it's the way he left. He told Cella not to tell Jessica that he's planning on leaving. That screws up management itself. Then he cancels his match without advance notice. And most of all, he criticizes management instead of apologizing for not being precise on his wants and needs.
Now those are some fine double standards. If you are good at it, you can keep doing it even if you get injured. If you're not, get out please. I stand by my words that no one should tell Crank to leave the scene because of his injury or any other reason.
No he didn't tell Cella to hide the fact he was leaving. Seems like everyone knew about this well in advance. In stead, Crank told Cella to hide the fact that he wasn't attending GSTL. This is what Crank did wrong. I don't know why he did this but I'm guessing it's because he found it too difficult to talk to Jessica. Not an excuse at all. As for not being precise on his wants and needs, I don't know about you but it seems clear to me what he wanted and he also talked to management several times it seems.
edit: thank you although I'm not translating much atm because of uni... I should have much more time come December
Maybe i misunderstand something, but Cella said:
There was some time differential, as I thought Crank was going to play in GSTL, and thought he was going to leave the team afterward. I thought he was at least going to play the match he was preparing for even when he was going to leave the team.
Edit: And that's also the last of what I'll say about this matter. It's just idiotic behavior, and responding to it only makes myself look worse. I hope that the majority atleast sees there's an underlying reason for solely belittling a person.
I like how you acknowledge that it makes you look worse, but then you are fucking at the ready to take the bait.
Seriously, breathe, and step away from the thread. You have the right to remain silent. Exercise it.
I'm not higher on my post numbers in this thread than a couple of other posters actually. Maybe by a slim margin. I may be invested in it, but that doesn't change any of the comments I make, thus it seems to me irrelevant. One can only imagine who I am and why I am so invested.
I am not caught up on semantics, my posts in this thread are not even 1% of the total posts. He said that half of the posts in this thread are mine. If you want to call that semantics that's fine, but it's also very belittling and shows poor character on TotalBisquits part.
I can do what I very much want myself, thank you very much for your consideration though.
^^This post is 80% strawman, brought to you by Strawman Industries.
And no, I disagree that you think it's 'belittling and shows poor character.' You are taking it as a personal offense instead of an objective fact to be considered.
Strawman? Do you even realize what you're saying? If anything it was TotalBisquit that did it, but even that makes barely sense.
It's neither objective, for reasons I stated, and it is also an offense for reasons stated.
I don't mean to be rude but isn't it kind of mean to call TB TotalBis"quit"...? No, I couldn't sleep, sorry...heh.
Ah, I never noticed that actually O.o. Don't know why I wrote it like that all the time in this thread. My apologies TotalBiscuit if you've taken offense.
I'm not higher on my post numbers in this thread than a couple of other posters actually. Maybe by a slim margin. I may be invested in it, but that doesn't change any of the comments I make, thus it seems to me irrelevant. One can only imagine who I am and why I am so invested.
I am not caught up on semantics, my posts in this thread are not even 1% of the total posts. He said that half of the posts in this thread are mine. If you want to call that semantics that's fine, but it's also very belittling and shows poor character on TotalBisquits part.
I can do what I very much want myself, thank you very much for your consideration though.
^^This post is 80% strawman, brought to you by Strawman Industries.
And no, I disagree that you think it's 'belittling and shows poor character.' You are taking it as a personal offense instead of an objective fact to be considered.
Strawman? Do you even realize what you're saying? If anything it was TotalBisquit that did it, but even that makes barely sense.
It's neither objective, for reasons I stated, and it is also an offense for reasons stated.
I don't mean to be rude but isn't it kind of mean to call TB TotalBis"quit"...? No, I couldn't sleep, sorry...heh.
Ah, I never noticed that actually O.o. Don't know why I wrote it like that all the time in this thread. My apologies TotalBiscuit if you've taken offense.
Also thanks for pointing that out.
Oh! Ah, no problem then, I suppose, ehe, sorry. -crawls back under the rock from whence I came-
On October 23 2012 13:18 eScaper-tsunami wrote: 3. LOL found his passion again? Oh look, jesus cured him of his neck injury and he found his passion again. Don't be naive.
Try being serious for once, it's really quite refreshing. CranK just had to pull out of MLG MvP, a tournament he was WINNING, because of his neck injury. What do you want, doctors notes? Medical records? This neck problem is real and on record ever since his time at SKT1, the fact is established.
And that's what I'm saying. It's been an on-going problem and he admits it. Yet he couldn't even let management know about cancelling his game days in advance? If the medical condition was enough to kill his passion for the game in the first place, what makes you think it isn't money that brought him back? I apologize if the jesus joke was crude but in all honesty, somebody who quits the game because of medical reasons, wouldn't and shouldn't come back to the game while still suffering.
How much do you think Crank is being paid at the moment? I could probably earn three times what he's making by tutoring high school kids part time. Being a progamer, even on a foreign team, is not glamorous. Then again, progaming is all Crank and other progamers in his situation know so what choice did he have? I'm not defending Crank. He could have done many things differently. All I'm saying is please stop saying Crank screwed people over for money. There is hardly any money in progaming.
What else could he have done? He's 23 who served 2 yrs of military. Which probably means he hasn't completed university. And in this economy, and with very little job experience what else can he really do? He's injured and can't do manual labour work as well. I'm not belittling him, but if somebody is willing to pay him to do what he does best, I think he'd take it.
I don't think you're belittling him at all. In fact, I think you have a pretty good idea of Crank's situation. However, I don't think it's up to you to decide whether Crank should quit progaming or even whether he's passionate about it. Hell, according to your logic, MVP should have quit a year ago and everyday I see progamers massaging their wrists looking like they're in pain. I may be wrong but I think the difference between you and I is simply that I admire Crank's decision to stay in it despite the injury while you are more critical of this.
Thank god it wasn't up to me, if it was up to me, I'd wipe off half the pros on the scene already. Jokes aside, the difference is MVP has an established career, maybe not as much as Boxer. Crank got injured before he even really took off. I honestly feel bad for the guy and I can understand his decision to leave slayers but it's the way he left. He told Cella not to tell Jessica that he's planning on leaving. That screws up management itself. Then he cancels his match without advance notice. And most of all, he criticizes management instead of apologizing for not being precise on his wants and needs.
Now those are some fine double standards. If you are good at it, you can keep doing it even if you get injured. If you're not, get out please. I stand by my words that no one should tell Crank to leave the scene because of his injury or any other reason.
No he didn't tell Cella to hide the fact he was leaving. Seems like everyone knew about this well in advance. In stead, Crank told Cella to hide the fact that he wasn't attending GSTL. This is what Crank did wrong. I don't know why he did this but I'm guessing it's because he found it too difficult to talk to Jessica. Not an excuse at all. As for not being precise on his wants and needs, I don't know about you but it seems clear to me what he wanted and he also talked to management several times it seems.
edit: thank you although I'm not translating much atm because of uni... I should have much more time come December
There was some time differential, as I thought Crank was going to play in GSTL, and thought he was going to leave the team afterward. I thought he was at least going to play the match he was preparing for even when he was going to leave the team.
Did i miss(understand) something?
okay, it seems that Crank did tell Cella to hide his leaving the team right at the beginning but soon talked to Jessica himself. Cella says that they definitely knew Crank was leaving after the GSTL season.
Why do both sides need to blame each other just to determine who was at fault for what is essentially a disbanded team?
Because Jessica always needs to get in the last word because she is never wrong or at fault and the world is out to get her.
Because Jessica people need to get in the last word because she they is are never wrong and the world is out to get her them.
Your correction isn't true in the fact that everyone that has come forward and spoken has apologized about their part in the whole mess EXCEPT Jessica.
Hell, MC was dragged into it and he eventually apologized and left it at that.
Jessica sees people doing stuff wrong and points them out, so they have to apologize. That's both to save face and to exploit people's idiocy. MC talking like that will not work well for him in Korea, or anywhere really... People leaving the team due to injury then immediately searching for a new team get bad reputations because their actions are sneaky and shorthanded.
Jessica has done stuff wrong, but most of it has been mere word slip-ups where solid evidence can back her up so that she's not in the wrong in the end. She's protected herself, most, her team after that, and she's gone at other's necks the least (of those 3, though she has done it). Not going to say Jessica is the bestest person in the whole world, but eSports has too many kids, and not enough people like Jessica, so there is no balance. There is no professionalism, just a bunch of kids running around doing whatever they want.
Although I don't fully support Jessica, it's more people like Jessica that are needed to make the Korean eSports scene a little more like the old BW scene (better, although it did have it's problems, it at least was legitimate for the most part).
More people that have zero business and management experience? More people that can't take responsibility for their own shortcomings and take no blame and instead put it on everyone else?
What this scene needs is people that know how to run a successful business organisation that won't get sick of all the nonsense that goes on and get the hell out.
EPT
although I'm not translating much atm because of uni... I should have much more time come December
