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Phobbers
Profile Joined May 2011
773 Posts
October 23 2012 04:11 GMT
#1121
On October 23 2012 13:09 Taku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 13:08 Phobbers wrote:
On October 23 2012 13:05 stormtemplar wrote:
On October 23 2012 13:01 Phobbers wrote:
On October 23 2012 12:58 stormtemplar wrote:

On October 23 2012 12:48 Phobbers wrote:
On October 23 2012 12:44 zefreak wrote:
I don't even know who Milkis is, but I do like the special icon

TB, you need a special icon if i'm going to throw in with you!

Used to be a translator for MLG and did stuff for the community, wrote a huge article about how SC2 is shit and will never amount to BW, and how BW is better than every esport. He proceeded to get called out by many, he couldn't take the heat, and got out of the kitchen.


Bull**** Milkis is a long time contributor to this site, and to the community as a whole, as has TB. Both of them deserve a good deal of respect from this community, and their opinions should both be considered.

Where did I say Milkis did jack shit? First thing I said was that he was a translator and did stuff for the community. Your reading skills seem to be lacking.


Your post may have started well, but it was derogatory and gave the impression that he was a negative influence. I disagree, and he seems to feel similarly.

Zefreak didn't know who Milkis was, I informed him who he was. Tossed in the drama that he was associated with to inform why TB is going a bit at him in this thread when he tossed in a few words. And of course Milkis is going to respond negatively to drama that he started. I have nothing against him personally at all.

You neglected the part where he was a translator and strong member of the community from the broodwar days...

I stated he was a translator, due grant I specified MLG, and that he did stuff for the community, didn't think I had to specify the time frame. If you did shit for the community you did shit for the community, doesn't matter when.
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8244 Posts
October 23 2012 04:13 GMT
#1122
On October 23 2012 13:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 13:07 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
So Boxer was allegedly unavailable and abrasive as a team manager (according to MMA), bailed on his team when they needed him to step up (seems obvious), and all we're talking about is Jessica and MMA? Boxer abandoned ship, and will now coach SKT, after figuring out that he was probably not cut out to be a team manager/owner. Boxer probably isn't getting enough blame, whereas the players are getting too much, and Jessica seems like her own worst enemy.

So I guess boxer would rather have his team implode than step on his fiance's toes? Rock onward. Or he could just be a lousy manager.


Boxer is a sacred cow that cannot be harmed. Attacking Boxer is essentially career suicide in Korea it seems, their idol culture puts our fanbois to shame. I'll give Jessica credit for one thing, she's taking bullets for her fiance on this one by the looks of it. It's just a shame she decided to do it by clusterbombing everyone else.

That's Korea for you. Why do you think so many idol groups pop up? How many idol groups are actually successful based on talent? Look at SNSD. I wouldn't say they have talent in terms of singing compared to IU. SNSD got the looks. That's it.
las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
October 23 2012 04:13 GMT
#1123
On October 23 2012 13:10 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 13:09 Taku wrote:
On October 23 2012 13:08 Phobbers wrote:
On October 23 2012 13:05 stormtemplar wrote:
On October 23 2012 13:01 Phobbers wrote:
On October 23 2012 12:58 stormtemplar wrote:

On October 23 2012 12:48 Phobbers wrote:
On October 23 2012 12:44 zefreak wrote:
I don't even know who Milkis is, but I do like the special icon

TB, you need a special icon if i'm going to throw in with you!

Used to be a translator for MLG and did stuff for the community, wrote a huge article about how SC2 is shit and will never amount to BW, and how BW is better than every esport. He proceeded to get called out by many, he couldn't take the heat, and got out of the kitchen.


Bull**** Milkis is a long time contributor to this site, and to the community as a whole, as has TB. Both of them deserve a good deal of respect from this community, and their opinions should both be considered.

Where did I say Milkis did jack shit? First thing I said was that he was a translator and did stuff for the community. Your reading skills seem to be lacking.


Your post may have started well, but it was derogatory and gave the impression that he was a negative influence. I disagree, and he seems to feel similarly.

Zefreak didn't know who Milkis was, I informed him who he was. Tossed in the drama that he was associated with to inform why TB is going a bit at him in this thread when he tossed in a few words. And of course Milkis is going to respond negatively to drama that he started. I have nothing against him personally at all.

You neglected the part where he was a translator and strong member of the community from the broodwar days...



This isn't BW this is SC2.


And you neglected the part where Milkis threw a tantrum and "quit" the SC2 community about a year ago. He had his time and his place, and now it's just kind of ridiculous that every time some new drama pops up he decides to weigh in. As for Boxer, he certainly threw his team under the bus when he himself abandoned ship for SKT1, but he is something of a demigod in Korea and will most definitely not be accused of anything from anyone in side Korea.
In Inca we trust
GoldforGolden
Profile Joined September 2012
China102 Posts
October 23 2012 04:13 GMT
#1124
Does anybody here remember the first day crank started streaming, someone in chat asked if he was looking for foreign team and he said yes.
I remember it because I was thinking maybe liquid'crank

But in his statement he said he only wanted to seek out personal sponsors etc after streaming didn't give him enough money
We think too much, feel too little
Ghola
Profile Joined March 2011
United States55 Posts
October 23 2012 04:13 GMT
#1125
On October 23 2012 13:04 Shival wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 12:55 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On October 23 2012 12:53 boxturtle wrote:
Please make sure that crank knows most of the international opinion is on his side, despite what a few figures in the community may think of crank. I would hate to see him quit gaming after gaining so much drive and breaking out at Raleigh.

Also, it'd be nice if you could release some Axiom merch soon. I'd love to buy something in support of crank. It's really great that you're sticking with this investment. I hope it indeed works out and Korean personalities can become more marketable to the international audience.



He knows and he's grateful for it. It's unsurprising that the smarter folks understand how much smoke and mirrors is in play here and how little CranK's reason for leaving the team actually matters at all. He could have left because he didn't like the colour of the wallpaper for all I care. So he hurt Jessicas feelings, boohoo, let's get real and talk about why the team actually collapsed and why the people in charge repeatedly refuse to take ANY responsibility for it happening.


I think you're first of all belittling alot of people with that statement. But as to the reason for my comment on it, I think you're very much understating the impact that Crank may have had. It's not solely his leaving, but reasons given for leaving and subsequent actions. If you think that's not a reason for response, that's your opinion, and if I may say so, quite lacking in empathy.

Jessica herself stated in her first statement that at times she was reckless, so to say she doesn't take any is ludicrous. I do admit however, that more self reflection might do her good.


Empathy? Seriously? She's trying to ruin a persons career and reputation because he "hurt her feelings" by not telling her that he was joining a foreign team. Despite the fact that it makes absolutely no difference what cranks reasons for leaving were. What about empathy for crank? He's the one who's getting fucked over here. While Jessica continues to act like a sociopath.
stew_
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada239 Posts
October 23 2012 04:14 GMT
#1126
On October 23 2012 13:13 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 13:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On October 23 2012 13:07 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
So Boxer was allegedly unavailable and abrasive as a team manager (according to MMA), bailed on his team when they needed him to step up (seems obvious), and all we're talking about is Jessica and MMA? Boxer abandoned ship, and will now coach SKT, after figuring out that he was probably not cut out to be a team manager/owner. Boxer probably isn't getting enough blame, whereas the players are getting too much, and Jessica seems like her own worst enemy.

So I guess boxer would rather have his team implode than step on his fiance's toes? Rock onward. Or he could just be a lousy manager.


Boxer is a sacred cow that cannot be harmed. Attacking Boxer is essentially career suicide in Korea it seems, their idol culture puts our fanbois to shame. I'll give Jessica credit for one thing, she's taking bullets for her fiance on this one by the looks of it. It's just a shame she decided to do it by clusterbombing everyone else.

That's Korea for you. Why do you think so many idol groups pop up? How many idol groups are actually successful based on talent? Look at SNSD. I wouldn't say they have talent in terms of singing compared to IU. SNSD got the looks. That's it.


not even the looks.. they have a secured fanbase. and really, that's all that matters in ANY entertainment industry.
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GoldforGolden
Profile Joined September 2012
China102 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 04:15:35
October 23 2012 04:14 GMT
#1127
On October 23 2012 13:13 GoldforGolden wrote:
Does anybody here remember the first day crank started streaming, someone in chat asked if he was looking for foreign team and he said yes.
I remember it because I was thinking maybe liquid'crank and lots of people said it in chat too?

But in his statement he said he only wanted to seek out personal sponsors etc after streaming didn't give him enough money
We think too much, feel too little
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
October 23 2012 04:15 GMT
#1128
On October 23 2012 13:10 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 12:55 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On October 23 2012 12:53 boxturtle wrote:
Please make sure that crank knows most of the international opinion is on his side, despite what a few figures in the community may think of crank. I would hate to see him quit gaming after gaining so much drive and breaking out at Raleigh.

Also, it'd be nice if you could release some Axiom merch soon. I'd love to buy something in support of crank. It's really great that you're sticking with this investment. I hope it indeed works out and Korean personalities can become more marketable to the international audience.



He knows and he's grateful for it. It's unsurprising that the smarter folks understand how much smoke and mirrors is in play here and how little CranK's reason for leaving the team actually matters at all. He could have left because he didn't like the colour of the wallpaper for all I care. So he hurt Jessicas feelings, boohoo, let's get real and talk about why the team actually collapsed and why the people in charge repeatedly refuse to take ANY responsibility for it happening.


I don't think this is about hurting Jessica's feeling. Jessica is attacking Crank at a very personal level because
1. Crank attributed to the break down of team Slayers
2. Crank's unprofessional behavior of not showing up for the team match just a day before the scheduled day
3. Crank was let go (released) from team with the promise of medical treatment, not seeking a foreign team

Imagine Crank cancelled his MLG appearance on you the day before hand. Would you be pissed? Probably not if it was for sever medical reason. But then he quits the team citing medical reason and absolutely not to seek out another team with a better offer. Weeks later, he gets signed by EG. Then in an interview, he calls you an unprofessional manager. I hope you'd be pissed.



1: Crank didn't attribute to Slayers break down LOLO are you kidding me?
2: He didn't show up because he had a neck injury and said he couldn't play
3:He was released but he was never under a formal contract(written contract), he wanted to quit SC2 but he found his passion again so he signed to a different team because he didn't to have anything to do with what was going on with Slayers.


Your points are in-complete and don't tell the whole story behind them.
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jworld
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia41 Posts
October 23 2012 04:15 GMT
#1129
On October 23 2012 12:57 boxturtle wrote:
To be honest, to a guy that's been living in a quiet American suburb from 3 years old to college graduation, the phone call transcript looks like Jessica told a guy who's suffering from debilitating neck problems and just straight up told him they were going to try to fuck his life for little/no reason (The whole "you lied to me so I'm going to destroy your life" sounds like some poorly written yazuka/triad movie that you'd see at an amateur film festival). I don't know what the Korean audience is reading in that, but I can't seem to see how Jessica would come to a conclusion like this.

I seriously don't see why crank acting "rudely" to his elders even matters here. Jessica's story about crank yelling at boxer "what did you ever do for me" seems like a lie or at least a huge exaggeration at this point, not that a statement like that is even grounds for a witch hunt of his magnitude. When you fire people in America, you should have security escort them out in case of sabotage or even downright violence. What crank did is incredibly mild, even justified.

Jessica is seriously the cancer here, regardless of how "right" she was before this debacle. I wonder if this type of shitstorm generator tactic is actually a Korean PR control technique. I can't see this do anything positive for her career, whether she wins or not.

Have you noticed how Boxer is sitting in the shadows with out a scratch to his reputation while Jessica is creating a storm of drama. She has deflected all scrutiny from the teams collapse away from the Boxer brand. Now it seems to me that she is just carrying on further as her ego won't allow her to take even a shred of responsibility for the teams collapse.
Proflo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States148 Posts
October 23 2012 04:15 GMT
#1130
On October 23 2012 13:11 Shival wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 12:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On October 23 2012 12:57 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:

Regarding Crank vs Jessica, most foreign fans are on Jessica side.


They really aren't. Bear in mind half of the posts in this thread are Shivals so that doesn't count o_o

Unless you want to take a poll its really not relevant at all.


Gross exageration, thanks. May I ask why you feel it necessary to do so? Trying to paint me as something I am not?

Also why do you make so many twisted statements?




Yeah I don't know where TB gets off.... There's no way more than a quarter of these posts are yours................................................................
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
October 23 2012 04:15 GMT
#1131
Justified or not, I do feel a strong reaction when people criticize Boxer. Maybe I should move to korea.

I know he is human and has the same lapses of judgement and base motives, but he has shown himself to be of stronger stuff than 99% of people I know and it pains me to see him get shit.
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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
October 23 2012 04:16 GMT
#1132
On October 23 2012 13:11 Shival wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 12:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On October 23 2012 12:57 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:

Regarding Crank vs Jessica, most foreign fans are on Jessica side.


They really aren't. Bear in mind half of the posts in this thread are Shivals so that doesn't count o_o

Unless you want to take a poll its really not relevant at all.


Gross exageration, thanks. May I ask why you feel it necessary to do so? Trying to paint me as something I am not?

Also why do you make so many twisted statements?



You have a total of 258 posts.

80 of them are in this thread. There are so many in the other SlayerS related threads from the past week that the profile search won't actually show all of them.

Think about that.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Shival
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands643 Posts
October 23 2012 04:17 GMT
#1133
On October 23 2012 13:13 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 13:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On October 23 2012 13:07 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
So Boxer was allegedly unavailable and abrasive as a team manager (according to MMA), bailed on his team when they needed him to step up (seems obvious), and all we're talking about is Jessica and MMA? Boxer abandoned ship, and will now coach SKT, after figuring out that he was probably not cut out to be a team manager/owner. Boxer probably isn't getting enough blame, whereas the players are getting too much, and Jessica seems like her own worst enemy.

So I guess boxer would rather have his team implode than step on his fiance's toes? Rock onward. Or he could just be a lousy manager.


Boxer is a sacred cow that cannot be harmed. Attacking Boxer is essentially career suicide in Korea it seems, their idol culture puts our fanbois to shame. I'll give Jessica credit for one thing, she's taking bullets for her fiance on this one by the looks of it. It's just a shame she decided to do it by clusterbombing everyone else.

That's Korea for you. Why do you think so many idol groups pop up? How many idol groups are actually successful based on talent? Look at SNSD. I wouldn't say they have talent in terms of singing compared to IU. SNSD got the looks. That's it.


If you believe that Taeyeon and Jessica don't have any singing talent comparable to IU you don't have a good ear. Simple as that.
Supamang
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2298 Posts
October 23 2012 04:17 GMT
#1134
On October 23 2012 13:11 Shival wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 12:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On October 23 2012 12:57 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:

Regarding Crank vs Jessica, most foreign fans are on Jessica side.


They really aren't. Bear in mind half of the posts in this thread are Shivals so that doesn't count o_o

Unless you want to take a poll its really not relevant at all.


Gross exageration, thanks. May I ask why you feel it necessary to do so? Trying to paint me as something I am not?

Also why do you make so many twisted statements?


I personally find it kind of sad that people are so quick to shit on Jessica.

Is there anyone here who hasn't read much on whatever "drama" people say Jessica has caused in the past have an opinion on this matter? I haven't paid much attention to that and coming into this with no opinion on Jessica as a person or a manager I find her position much more believable. What did she do to cause people to hate her so much?
storywriter
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia528 Posts
October 23 2012 04:17 GMT
#1135
People keep saying that Crank promised Jessica that he would not seek another team. Where are they getting this from? Crank's claim is simply that he did not leave the team 'specifically' to seek out a foreign team. Also I think that's a crazy promise to expect Crank to keep anyway. If a foreign team offers you a place in their team for a salary, of course he's going to accept it.
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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
October 23 2012 04:18 GMT
#1136
On October 23 2012 13:15 zefreak wrote:
Justified or not, I do feel a strong reaction when people criticize Boxer. Maybe I should move to korea.

I know he is human and has the same lapses of judgement and base motives, but he has shown himself to be of stronger stuff than 99% of people I know and it pains me to see him get shit.


Now you know how I feel about CranK.

It's taking a lot of restraint not to go apeshit at this point.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
eScaper-tsunami
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada313 Posts
October 23 2012 04:18 GMT
#1137
On October 23 2012 13:15 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 13:10 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On October 23 2012 12:55 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On October 23 2012 12:53 boxturtle wrote:
Please make sure that crank knows most of the international opinion is on his side, despite what a few figures in the community may think of crank. I would hate to see him quit gaming after gaining so much drive and breaking out at Raleigh.

Also, it'd be nice if you could release some Axiom merch soon. I'd love to buy something in support of crank. It's really great that you're sticking with this investment. I hope it indeed works out and Korean personalities can become more marketable to the international audience.



He knows and he's grateful for it. It's unsurprising that the smarter folks understand how much smoke and mirrors is in play here and how little CranK's reason for leaving the team actually matters at all. He could have left because he didn't like the colour of the wallpaper for all I care. So he hurt Jessicas feelings, boohoo, let's get real and talk about why the team actually collapsed and why the people in charge repeatedly refuse to take ANY responsibility for it happening.


I don't think this is about hurting Jessica's feeling. Jessica is attacking Crank at a very personal level because
1. Crank attributed to the break down of team Slayers
2. Crank's unprofessional behavior of not showing up for the team match just a day before the scheduled day
3. Crank was let go (released) from team with the promise of medical treatment, not seeking a foreign team

Imagine Crank cancelled his MLG appearance on you the day before hand. Would you be pissed? Probably not if it was for sever medical reason. But then he quits the team citing medical reason and absolutely not to seek out another team with a better offer. Weeks later, he gets signed by EG. Then in an interview, he calls you an unprofessional manager. I hope you'd be pissed.



1: Crank didn't attribute to Slayers break down LOLO are you kidding me?
2: He didn't show up because he had a neck injury and said he couldn't play
3:He was released but he was never under a formal contract(written contract), he wanted to quit SC2 but he found his passion again so he signed to a different team because he didn't to have anything to do with what was going on with Slayers.


Your points are in-complete and don't tell the whole story behind them.


1. *sigh* go read the articles.
2. He was sent home to recover, couldn't he have let management known 2 day... 3 day.. 4 days before hand? Nope, he had to do it in a text.
3. LOL found his passion again? Oh look, jesus cured him of his neck injury and he found his passion again. Don't be naive.
RuhRoh is my herO
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
October 23 2012 04:19 GMT
#1138
On October 23 2012 13:13 GoldforGolden wrote:
Does anybody here remember the first day crank started streaming, someone in chat asked if he was looking for foreign team and he said yes.
I remember it because I was thinking maybe liquid'crank

But in his statement he said he only wanted to seek out personal sponsors etc after streaming didn't give him enough money


Same thing happened with Dragon. Crank does come across as a bit dishonest and I don't think hes a complete victim in the situation.

The drama that has resulted from it isn't a proportionate response, though.
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Jaedong4thOSL
Profile Joined August 2011
United States487 Posts
October 23 2012 04:19 GMT
#1139
On October 23 2012 13:13 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 13:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On October 23 2012 13:07 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
So Boxer was allegedly unavailable and abrasive as a team manager (according to MMA), bailed on his team when they needed him to step up (seems obvious), and all we're talking about is Jessica and MMA? Boxer abandoned ship, and will now coach SKT, after figuring out that he was probably not cut out to be a team manager/owner. Boxer probably isn't getting enough blame, whereas the players are getting too much, and Jessica seems like her own worst enemy.

So I guess boxer would rather have his team implode than step on his fiance's toes? Rock onward. Or he could just be a lousy manager.


Boxer is a sacred cow that cannot be harmed. Attacking Boxer is essentially career suicide in Korea it seems, their idol culture puts our fanbois to shame. I'll give Jessica credit for one thing, she's taking bullets for her fiance on this one by the looks of it. It's just a shame she decided to do it by clusterbombing everyone else.

That's Korea for you. Why do you think so many idol groups pop up? How many idol groups are actually successful based on talent? Look at SNSD. I wouldn't say they have talent in terms of singing compared to IU. SNSD got the looks. That's it.


Love SNSD! Btw, how much talent does PSY have anyway?
Supamang
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2298 Posts
October 23 2012 04:19 GMT
#1140
On October 23 2012 13:16 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 13:11 Shival wrote:
On October 23 2012 12:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On October 23 2012 12:57 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:

Regarding Crank vs Jessica, most foreign fans are on Jessica side.


They really aren't. Bear in mind half of the posts in this thread are Shivals so that doesn't count o_o

Unless you want to take a poll its really not relevant at all.


Gross exageration, thanks. May I ask why you feel it necessary to do so? Trying to paint me as something I am not?

Also why do you make so many twisted statements?



You have a total of 258 posts.

80 of them are in this thread. There are so many in the other SlayerS related threads from the past week that the profile search won't actually show all of them.

Think about that.

The amount of his posts in this thread compared to his total posts is in no way related to how many posts defending Jessica are his. Also he believes in what he says and says what he believes. Is that supposed to count against him in some way? Is that supposed to make his opinion or his reasoning less credible?
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