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Phobbers
773 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:09 Taku wrote: You neglected the part where he was a translator and strong member of the community from the broodwar days... I stated he was a translator, due grant I specified MLG, and that he did stuff for the community, didn't think I had to specify the time frame. If you did shit for the community you did shit for the community, doesn't matter when. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8255 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:09 TotalBiscuit wrote: Boxer is a sacred cow that cannot be harmed. Attacking Boxer is essentially career suicide in Korea it seems, their idol culture puts our fanbois to shame. I'll give Jessica credit for one thing, she's taking bullets for her fiance on this one by the looks of it. It's just a shame she decided to do it by clusterbombing everyone else. That's Korea for you. Why do you think so many idol groups pop up? How many idol groups are actually successful based on talent? Look at SNSD. I wouldn't say they have talent in terms of singing compared to IU. SNSD got the looks. That's it. | ||
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las91
United States5080 Posts
And you neglected the part where Milkis threw a tantrum and "quit" the SC2 community about a year ago. He had his time and his place, and now it's just kind of ridiculous that every time some new drama pops up he decides to weigh in. As for Boxer, he certainly threw his team under the bus when he himself abandoned ship for SKT1, but he is something of a demigod in Korea and will most definitely not be accused of anything from anyone in side Korea. | ||
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GoldforGolden
China102 Posts
I remember it because I was thinking maybe liquid'crank But in his statement he said he only wanted to seek out personal sponsors etc after streaming didn't give him enough money | ||
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Ghola
United States55 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:04 Shival wrote: I think you're first of all belittling alot of people with that statement. But as to the reason for my comment on it, I think you're very much understating the impact that Crank may have had. It's not solely his leaving, but reasons given for leaving and subsequent actions. If you think that's not a reason for response, that's your opinion, and if I may say so, quite lacking in empathy. Jessica herself stated in her first statement that at times she was reckless, so to say she doesn't take any is ludicrous. I do admit however, that more self reflection might do her good. Empathy? Seriously? She's trying to ruin a persons career and reputation because he "hurt her feelings" by not telling her that he was joining a foreign team. Despite the fact that it makes absolutely no difference what cranks reasons for leaving were. What about empathy for crank? He's the one who's getting fucked over here. While Jessica continues to act like a sociopath. | ||
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stew_
Canada239 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:13 geokilla wrote: That's Korea for you. Why do you think so many idol groups pop up? How many idol groups are actually successful based on talent? Look at SNSD. I wouldn't say they have talent in terms of singing compared to IU. SNSD got the looks. That's it. not even the looks.. they have a secured fanbase. and really, that's all that matters in ANY entertainment industry. | ||
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GoldforGolden
China102 Posts
Does anybody here remember the first day crank started streaming, someone in chat asked if he was looking for foreign team and he said yes. I remember it because I was thinking maybe liquid'crank and lots of people said it in chat too? But in his statement he said he only wanted to seek out personal sponsors etc after streaming didn't give him enough money | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:10 eScaper-tsunami wrote: I don't think this is about hurting Jessica's feeling. Jessica is attacking Crank at a very personal level because 1. Crank attributed to the break down of team Slayers 2. Crank's unprofessional behavior of not showing up for the team match just a day before the scheduled day 3. Crank was let go (released) from team with the promise of medical treatment, not seeking a foreign team Imagine Crank cancelled his MLG appearance on you the day before hand. Would you be pissed? Probably not if it was for sever medical reason. But then he quits the team citing medical reason and absolutely not to seek out another team with a better offer. Weeks later, he gets signed by EG. Then in an interview, he calls you an unprofessional manager. I hope you'd be pissed. 1: Crank didn't attribute to Slayers break down LOLO are you kidding me? 2: He didn't show up because he had a neck injury and said he couldn't play 3:He was released but he was never under a formal contract(written contract), he wanted to quit SC2 but he found his passion again so he signed to a different team because he didn't to have anything to do with what was going on with Slayers. Your points are in-complete and don't tell the whole story behind them. | ||
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jworld
Australia41 Posts
On October 23 2012 12:57 boxturtle wrote: To be honest, to a guy that's been living in a quiet American suburb from 3 years old to college graduation, the phone call transcript looks like Jessica told a guy who's suffering from debilitating neck problems and just straight up told him they were going to try to fuck his life for little/no reason (The whole "you lied to me so I'm going to destroy your life" sounds like some poorly written yazuka/triad movie that you'd see at an amateur film festival). I don't know what the Korean audience is reading in that, but I can't seem to see how Jessica would come to a conclusion like this. I seriously don't see why crank acting "rudely" to his elders even matters here. Jessica's story about crank yelling at boxer "what did you ever do for me" seems like a lie or at least a huge exaggeration at this point, not that a statement like that is even grounds for a witch hunt of his magnitude. When you fire people in America, you should have security escort them out in case of sabotage or even downright violence. What crank did is incredibly mild, even justified. Jessica is seriously the cancer here, regardless of how "right" she was before this debacle. I wonder if this type of shitstorm generator tactic is actually a Korean PR control technique. I can't see this do anything positive for her career, whether she wins or not. Have you noticed how Boxer is sitting in the shadows with out a scratch to his reputation while Jessica is creating a storm of drama. She has deflected all scrutiny from the teams collapse away from the Boxer brand. Now it seems to me that she is just carrying on further as her ego won't allow her to take even a shred of responsibility for the teams collapse. | ||
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Proflo
United States148 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:11 Shival wrote: Gross exageration, thanks. May I ask why you feel it necessary to do so? Trying to paint me as something I am not? Also why do you make so many twisted statements? Yeah I don't know where TB gets off.... There's no way more than a quarter of these posts are yours................................................................ | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
I know he is human and has the same lapses of judgement and base motives, but he has shown himself to be of stronger stuff than 99% of people I know and it pains me to see him get shit. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:11 Shival wrote: Gross exageration, thanks. May I ask why you feel it necessary to do so? Trying to paint me as something I am not? Also why do you make so many twisted statements? You have a total of 258 posts. 80 of them are in this thread. There are so many in the other SlayerS related threads from the past week that the profile search won't actually show all of them. Think about that. | ||
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Shival
Netherlands643 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:13 geokilla wrote: That's Korea for you. Why do you think so many idol groups pop up? How many idol groups are actually successful based on talent? Look at SNSD. I wouldn't say they have talent in terms of singing compared to IU. SNSD got the looks. That's it. If you believe that Taeyeon and Jessica don't have any singing talent comparable to IU you don't have a good ear. Simple as that. | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:11 Shival wrote: Gross exageration, thanks. May I ask why you feel it necessary to do so? Trying to paint me as something I am not? Also why do you make so many twisted statements? I personally find it kind of sad that people are so quick to shit on Jessica. Is there anyone here who hasn't read much on whatever "drama" people say Jessica has caused in the past have an opinion on this matter? I haven't paid much attention to that and coming into this with no opinion on Jessica as a person or a manager I find her position much more believable. What did she do to cause people to hate her so much? | ||
storywriter
Australia528 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:15 zefreak wrote: Justified or not, I do feel a strong reaction when people criticize Boxer. Maybe I should move to korea. I know he is human and has the same lapses of judgement and base motives, but he has shown himself to be of stronger stuff than 99% of people I know and it pains me to see him get shit. Now you know how I feel about CranK. It's taking a lot of restraint not to go apeshit at this point. | ||
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eScaper-tsunami
Canada313 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:15 NovemberstOrm wrote: 1: Crank didn't attribute to Slayers break down LOLO are you kidding me? 2: He didn't show up because he had a neck injury and said he couldn't play 3:He was released but he was never under a formal contract(written contract), he wanted to quit SC2 but he found his passion again so he signed to a different team because he didn't to have anything to do with what was going on with Slayers. Your points are in-complete and don't tell the whole story behind them. 1. *sigh* go read the articles. 2. He was sent home to recover, couldn't he have let management known 2 day... 3 day.. 4 days before hand? Nope, he had to do it in a text. 3. LOL found his passion again? Oh look, jesus cured him of his neck injury and he found his passion again. Don't be naive. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:13 GoldforGolden wrote: Does anybody here remember the first day crank started streaming, someone in chat asked if he was looking for foreign team and he said yes. I remember it because I was thinking maybe liquid'crank But in his statement he said he only wanted to seek out personal sponsors etc after streaming didn't give him enough money Same thing happened with Dragon. Crank does come across as a bit dishonest and I don't think hes a complete victim in the situation. The drama that has resulted from it isn't a proportionate response, though. | ||
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Jaedong4thOSL
United States487 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:13 geokilla wrote: That's Korea for you. Why do you think so many idol groups pop up? How many idol groups are actually successful based on talent? Look at SNSD. I wouldn't say they have talent in terms of singing compared to IU. SNSD got the looks. That's it. Love SNSD! Btw, how much talent does PSY have anyway? | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:16 TotalBiscuit wrote: You have a total of 258 posts. 80 of them are in this thread. There are so many in the other SlayerS related threads from the past week that the profile search won't actually show all of them. Think about that. The amount of his posts in this thread compared to his total posts is in no way related to how many posts defending Jessica are his. Also he believes in what he says and says what he believes. Is that supposed to count against him in some way? Is that supposed to make his opinion or his reasoning less credible? | ||
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