EPTDestiny: The Pro Scene Depends on the Casual Scene - Page 8
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VanGarde
Sweden755 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On October 20 2012 09:55 VanGarde wrote: And here comes all of the angry bw fans. Good, then I can leave because this thread is about to derail into another whinefest that is more about venting at sc2 than it is about the op and how to improve it as an e-sport. Good, you admit your loss. Stop trying to run away from the argument and stay on it. That will be a lesson to you who have absolutely not a single clue about the history of the industry. | ||
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TheSir
1830 Posts
On October 20 2012 09:32 iky43210 wrote: probably alot less ppl actually plays LoL than the 32m advertise. I have 4 accounts on LoL that I log in at least once a month, i'm sure many are in the same boat. being a free game and all, doesn't take much to make an account They have 70+ million registered accounts, 30million active seems plausible (less then 50%). Not that it really matters cause still that is shitload of people who took the time to make a account, played or at least know about the game and are all potential viewers of events. If a game really wants to become big as a e-sport it needs to be free to play, just like all the major sports in the world are basically either free or cheap to try and play. You dont have to be Einstein to figure that out. | ||
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SarcasmMonster
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VanGarde
Sweden755 Posts
On October 20 2012 09:58 Xiphos wrote: Good, you admit your loss. Stop trying to run away from the argument and stay on it. That will be a lesson to you who have absolutely not a single clue about the history of the industry. No, but this thread is not about the omg blizzard killed sc2 conspiracy. There are many of those, and I have had this argument to death already in those. I see no reason to help you troll another thread into a completely different topic. If you want to take that as my defeat go right on ahead whatever makes you feel better about yourself. Fortunately my life does not revolve around your opinion of me. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On October 20 2012 10:01 VanGarde wrote: No, but this thread is not about the omg blizzard killed sc2 conspiracy. There are many of those, and I have had this argument to death already in those. I see no reason to help you troll another thread into a completely different topic. If you want to take that as my defeat go right on ahead whatever makes you feel better about yourself. Fortunately my life does not revolve around your opinion of me. Then why the fuck are you still replying to me? Follow your original message that you will leave the thread and do it well. | ||
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VanGarde
Sweden755 Posts
On October 20 2012 10:03 Xiphos wrote: Then why the fuck are you still replying to me? Follow your original message that you will leave the thread and do it well. I just wanted to clarify that you have my permission to feel really good about yourself and assume that I admit defeat to your superior arguing skills if you want to. Have a good day. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On October 20 2012 10:05 VanGarde wrote: I just wanted to clarify that you have my permission to feel really good about yourself and assume that I admit defeat to your superior arguing skills if you want to. Have a good day. Its not using purely superior arguing skills. Its about knowing the right sequence of events that have lead to modern day electronic sport industry. | ||
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Proxie
United States90 Posts
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shizaep
Canada2920 Posts
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Urasim
United States83 Posts
On October 20 2012 10:07 Xiphos wrote: Its not using purely superior arguing skills. Its about knowing the right sequence of events that have lead to modern day electronic sport industry. Are you going to post something that is constructive, or are you just going to post random facts and conspiracy theories that have very little barring on the actual subject? Honestly you two need to take it to PM system. It's there for a reason. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On October 20 2012 10:15 Urasim wrote: Are you going to post something that is constructive, or are you just going to post random facts and conspiracy theories that have very little barring on the actual subject? Honestly you two need to take it to PM system. It's there for a reason. And you need to read more on the thread. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9434 Posts
On October 20 2012 09:59 TheSir wrote: They have 70+ million registered accounts, 30million active seems plausible (less then 50%). Not that it really matters cause still that is shitload of people who took the time to make a account, played or at least know about the game and are all potential viewers of events. If a game really wants to become big as a e-sport it needs to be free to play, just like all the major sports in the world are basically either free or cheap to try and play. You dont have to be Einstein to figure that out. eh official figures are roughly 11 million for LOL. But that still makes it the market leader (as it beats WOW). | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
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Immutant
Singapore201 Posts
The below are my own sentiments: When SC2 came out, most of the people I knew had it. But their interest died after a while and they aren't getting back into it. Neither could I get new people into playing SC2, because it was an 'old' game, and they didn't want to pay a huge sum of money for it. (Compared to free games like LoL). Yeah, I could find random people to play with on the Internet, but it gets boring without friends (and most ppl who lose to you will just leave the game, or u find BMers). Only a few cybercafes would stock SC2 as a game. Some have their own SC2 profiles which you can log on, others don't even provide that. I wouldn't log in to my Bnet account in a cybercafe due to security issues, and why would I even go to a cybercafe to play when I can do so at home? No one's playing SC2 in a cybercafe as a result so I couldn't even chat with random people face to face. Please tell me you have been to a cybercafe to play things like DOTA or CounterStrike. Over LAN, (DOTA, CS) you can enter the room and go "Oh, so there are X people playing this map in this cafe, and Y people playing that map. I think I shall go join group Y~~~ ^^". But SC2? Nothing, just click Find Match, or even a party is something you can do at home, eliminating the social aspect. (Not sure about LoL, I don't play that) But SC2 have an advantage over LoL, there are at least 2 more waves of publicity it can make. I hope that by the 3rd expansion, they would have F2P, and have a credit scheme for things like campaigns, etc. | ||
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ineversmile
United States583 Posts
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Drlemur
United States153 Posts
Blizz really screwed the pooch by making bnet 2.0 so anti-social and killing UMS games with the poorly designed Arcade (and before). They appear to be trying to correct this with HotS and we can all hope the game will draw more casual players. BW and War3 were also brutal for casual play, but UMS/custom games were lots and lots of fun for people who didn't want the challenge of 1v1 play (like me and my kids). That said, SC2 still broadcasts really, really well. But if you want an audience, you can't cast to just the hardcore 1v1 players. You need to cast for the casuals, the LoL players, the dota2 players. If the SC2 pro scene is only about 1v1 players, it's going to be a small scene. We want the LoL & Dota2 players to be part of our scene, too (in addition to the casual SC2 players). | ||
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Urasim
United States83 Posts
On October 20 2012 10:26 AnomalySC2 wrote: I can't stand Destiny. Way to ramble on and point out the blatantly obvious and then point fingers without offering any solutions or ideas whatsoever. Does he really think he is smart for pointing out that casuals are the largest slice of the player base and that they're necessary for the game's stability? The Dr. Phil of Starcraft 2. You're blinded by hate to the point where it's embarrassing. He, and many others, believe that it lays solely on Blizzard to make improvements to the game to draw more people to it. You think that there is anything that he can suggest that wasn't already suggested to Blizzard? There are so many suggestions and things that worked in the previous games that would make Starcraft2 a more enjoyable game, but Blizzard refuses to implement them for some reason that no one outside Blizzard can even comprehend. I get that you hate Destiny... But, you should at least admire this campaign that is ACTUALLY making Blizzard change the game for the better that wouldn't have happened otherwise. Do you have a suggestion that can bring more viewers, or just random hate for someone on the internet? | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On October 20 2012 10:39 Urasim wrote: You're blinded by hate to the point where it's embarrassing. He, and many others, believe that it lays solely on Blizzard to make improvements to the game to draw more people to it. You think that there is anything that he can suggest that wasn't already suggested to Blizzard? There are so many suggestions and things that worked in the previous games that would make Starcraft2 a more enjoyable game, but Blizzard refuses to implement them for some reason that no one outside Blizzard can even comprehend. I get that you hate Destiny... But, you should at least admire this campaign that is ACTUALLY making Blizzard change the game for the better that wouldn't have happened otherwise. Do you have a suggestion that can bring more viewers, or just random hate for someone on the internet? His "campaign" huh. Pretty much sums it up actually, thanks. | ||
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TheSir
1830 Posts
On October 20 2012 10:17 Hider wrote: eh official figures are roughly 11 million for LOL. But that still makes it the market leader (as it beats WOW). Dunno, might be. i just found those numbers on Gamespot so i thought those should be pretty accurate then, just like i heard on several podcast before (like i think on TGS podcast) that they had over 30million active players. | ||
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