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On October 21 2012 22:23 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:21 Shival wrote:On October 21 2012 22:17 m4inbrain wrote:On October 21 2012 22:15 ImNightmare wrote:On October 21 2012 22:14 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:10 Kavas wrote:On October 21 2012 21:59 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 21:51 Kavas wrote:On October 21 2012 21:48 Medrea wrote:
I could totally see myself playing for a team where everything is blamed on me, everything is being recorded, and my managers are completely without fault. You've never been in a work place before have you? Where they monitor your internet usage, phone and probably have camera watching you as well? Also nowhere in Jessica's statement did she blame everything on Crank (assuming that's what you're inferring to). There's plenty of workplaces where they monitor your internet usage as well as surveillance cameras. That's still not the same as an environment where anything you say can and will be used against you should you ever leave. It's a work environment based on intimidation and fear. I don't care where you work, an environment like that won't have workers working there long. Actually, you already are in an environment where everything can be used against you. Whether they will be is another matter; there is no evidence that points Jessica planned to bring this any further if Crank had kept his word. From the text, At that time, Cella told me that Crank had told him he was quitting the game. I asked Crank why he didn't tell me directly, and he said he just really wanted to rest, and that he had no thoughts of joining a foreign team or any other team, and to please just let him go. I had no thoughts of stopping him from leaving, so I agreed to allow him to leave SlayerS.
However, afterward, I heard that he was streaming and looking for a foreign team. When I asked him why he lied to me, saying it was unprofessional of him to do so. He asked in return, if I knew why MMA wanted to leave the team. Crank said it was because of himself, that when he wanted to leave the team because of the stressful team atmosphere, that MMA had said the should leave together. When I asked MMA for confirmation, he said it was not true. . Taeja and Ganzi didn't have any problems, there is no reason to believe that Jessica just loves hounding her players who join foreign team. Well, the fact that when SlayerS was announced to be disbanding, Jessica practically aired out all the dirty laundry. So that pretty much said nothing was off limits with her. And from everything gathered so far, she has no problems dragging anyone and everyone through the mud. Has anyone ever even asked themselves: "Why are players even leaving SlayerS?" Even the ones that left on good terms. This entire year has been a mass exodus of players vacating the team. That sounds incredibly suspicious to me. Jessica may be an excellent business woman, but from everything that has happened so far she's a really poor manager. I really pity MC though. Dude got dragged through the dirty laundries when he wasn't even part of ESF and slayers. Same here. He gets way too much FlaK for his slip-up. He did a mistake, kk. Scold him, done. Then move on. No need to completely deconstruct him because of that (granted, idiotic) comment. That's MC's own fault to be honest. He could've apologized immediately and say that wasn't his intention. However he started bickering about it and returning the accusations on other matters even further back. also his apology isnt really an apology to be honest
I reckon. It was more like "I apologized jessica, so you need to apologize for things youve done! "
which shouldnt really be considered as an apology. Oh well we should forget about MC, its now
more between Crank and jessica
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At the end of the day it seems like Crank wanted to run away from the toxic environment that was Slayers and didn't have the guts to tell Jessica the truth that he was running away and lied about it. He is guilty of that, but not guilty of helping cause the teams demise.
Slayers would have imploded with or without him, shouldn't even be an issue. Everything he is targeted for happened after the problems became unresolvable.
And yes, they started off in the most fortunate position but events change, and it's up to the management to provide leadership under times of stress.
Jessica should be focusing on what actually CAUSED the demise of slayers, including the role of Mr J, not the results and petty grudges against players who ran away after all the problems never got fixed. Putting the blame game on a bunch of players who want to forget everything that happened in Slayers is simply scapegoating for PR.
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On October 21 2012 22:28 DrakeFZX3 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:24 Cubu wrote:On October 21 2012 22:18 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:11 Shival wrote:On October 21 2012 22:08 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:04 McDrizzle wrote:On October 21 2012 21:46 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
It's no wonder SlayerS collapsed. How can any player play in an environment where every conversation is being recorded, nothing spoken to management is confidential, and there's always a sense of fear if anyone ever spoke up about anything?
While Jessica has all the "evidence," she sounds incredibly manipulative and unable to blame herself for some of the team's failings. What about the players who left on good terms they do not seem to be getting killed right now... Yes, there are some things that should remain private (ie slave contract) but some players choose not to express their opinions. IE Dragon said he wanted to retire from pro-gaming so he left but then joins Millennium a month or two later and Crank well I dont know the full story of it just Jessica's side. The evidence is used when the players or person wants to be a phony and not own up to what they have done, so the better question for you is that will people accused are unable to blame themselves for their parts played? I think the worst part about all this is the announcement of SlayerS disbanding with Jessica airing out all the dirty laundry. Literally a list of people she throws all under the bus. Rather than leave gracefully, it's become a sideshow full of drama and she plays the blame game masterfully with all fingers pointing at everyone but herself. I like TB's quote where he mentions when a team fails "one must look at the top rather than the bottom." You're saying that it should be kept in the dark? For those that use underhanded methods, or lie and insult, to continue their practice unhindered? I think the quote "You reap what you sow" fits quite nicely. As to the TB quote, lets say that Jessica is right for what I'm going to say next. One person cannot simply swim against the current. Regardless of how good a manager is, if enough is being stacked against you, you will fall. What I'm saying is that it's pretty bad business practice to air the laundry right at your company's demise. It makes you look spiteful and unethical. If Jessica had called out ESF and other people who wronged her AT THE TIME they wronged her, she would've been fully justified. Doing it this far down the road makes her look incredibly childish because everything crumbled around her. You can't call it business practice because what she did (reveal the truth) was done after slayers disbanded. And even if calling out other people for their wrongdoings is bad business practice, the other alternative does not look so bright either. It simply just feels like Jessica's on a sinking ship, and she's making sure she takes everyone down with her. And with the flurry of tweets, blog posts, and responses looking to fight anyone and everyone; spiteful might be too tame a word to describe it.
Well we see a lot of people like that in Up&down matches lol.
If you know what im saying 
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On October 21 2012 22:29 kanchome wrote:
At the end of the day it seems like Crank wanted to run away from the toxic environment that was Slayers and didn't have the guts to tell Jessica the truth that he was running away and lied about it. He is guilty of that, but not guilty of helping cause the teams demise.
Slayers would have imploded with or without him, shouldn't even be an issue. Everything he is targeted for happened after the problems became unresolvable.
And yes, they started off in the most fortunate position but events change, and it's up to the management to provide leadership under times of stress.
Jessica should be focusing on what actually CAUSED the demise of slayers, including the role of Mr J, not the results and petty grudges against players who ran away after all the problems never got fixed. Putting the blame game on a bunch of players who want to forget everything that happened in Slayers is simply scapegoating for PR.
I think we all should realise why she's refering to him as Mr J. and nothing more. I'm pretty sure they're already focussing majorly on that person.
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Btw, can we get some responses from the Korean forum. I'm interested in what they have to say.
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On October 21 2012 22:28 DrakeFZX3 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:24 Cubu wrote:On October 21 2012 22:18 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:11 Shival wrote:On October 21 2012 22:08 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:04 McDrizzle wrote:On October 21 2012 21:46 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
It's no wonder SlayerS collapsed. How can any player play in an environment where every conversation is being recorded, nothing spoken to management is confidential, and there's always a sense of fear if anyone ever spoke up about anything?
While Jessica has all the "evidence," she sounds incredibly manipulative and unable to blame herself for some of the team's failings. What about the players who left on good terms they do not seem to be getting killed right now... Yes, there are some things that should remain private (ie slave contract) but some players choose not to express their opinions. IE Dragon said he wanted to retire from pro-gaming so he left but then joins Millennium a month or two later and Crank well I dont know the full story of it just Jessica's side. The evidence is used when the players or person wants to be a phony and not own up to what they have done, so the better question for you is that will people accused are unable to blame themselves for their parts played? I think the worst part about all this is the announcement of SlayerS disbanding with Jessica airing out all the dirty laundry. Literally a list of people she throws all under the bus. Rather than leave gracefully, it's become a sideshow full of drama and she plays the blame game masterfully with all fingers pointing at everyone but herself. I like TB's quote where he mentions when a team fails "one must look at the top rather than the bottom." You're saying that it should be kept in the dark? For those that use underhanded methods, or lie and insult, to continue their practice unhindered? I think the quote "You reap what you sow" fits quite nicely. As to the TB quote, lets say that Jessica is right for what I'm going to say next. One person cannot simply swim against the current. Regardless of how good a manager is, if enough is being stacked against you, you will fall. What I'm saying is that it's pretty bad business practice to air the laundry right at your company's demise. It makes you look spiteful and unethical. If Jessica had called out ESF and other people who wronged her AT THE TIME they wronged her, she would've been fully justified. Doing it this far down the road makes her look incredibly childish because everything crumbled around her. You can't call it business practice because what she did (reveal the truth) was done after slayers disbanded. And even if calling out other people for their wrongdoings is bad business practice, the other alternative does not look so bright either. It simply just feels like Jessica's on a sinking ship, and she's making sure she takes everyone down with her. And with the flurry of tweets, blog posts, and responses looking to fight anyone and everyone; spiteful might be too tame a word to describe it.
Seems more like to me she is covering her ass, just imagine what would happen if she didn't say anything. People would be blaming her for the break up since she has such a bad cred. This rumour just basically wipe up all the shit she received and was fling to the fan.
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Why do people keep saying that Jessica is "putting all the blame on Crank" and shit like that? She is calling out every person whom she considers to be in the wrong, people who lied about whatever things, who may have attributed to loss of motivation in the team etc. Nowhere did she say that it's Crank's fault Slayers disbanded - she is simply trying to show what she believes is the truthful recollection of events surrounding the team's disbandment. She's not even all that eager to be the first to go into detail about who did what wrong - she is insisting people say honestly what happened, and when their statements differ from what she believes is true, she calls them out on that (so far with very well prepared evidence, I might add).
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On October 21 2012 22:32 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:28 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:24 Cubu wrote:On October 21 2012 22:18 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:11 Shival wrote:On October 21 2012 22:08 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:04 McDrizzle wrote:On October 21 2012 21:46 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
It's no wonder SlayerS collapsed. How can any player play in an environment where every conversation is being recorded, nothing spoken to management is confidential, and there's always a sense of fear if anyone ever spoke up about anything?
While Jessica has all the "evidence," she sounds incredibly manipulative and unable to blame herself for some of the team's failings. What about the players who left on good terms they do not seem to be getting killed right now... Yes, there are some things that should remain private (ie slave contract) but some players choose not to express their opinions. IE Dragon said he wanted to retire from pro-gaming so he left but then joins Millennium a month or two later and Crank well I dont know the full story of it just Jessica's side. The evidence is used when the players or person wants to be a phony and not own up to what they have done, so the better question for you is that will people accused are unable to blame themselves for their parts played? I think the worst part about all this is the announcement of SlayerS disbanding with Jessica airing out all the dirty laundry. Literally a list of people she throws all under the bus. Rather than leave gracefully, it's become a sideshow full of drama and she plays the blame game masterfully with all fingers pointing at everyone but herself. I like TB's quote where he mentions when a team fails "one must look at the top rather than the bottom." You're saying that it should be kept in the dark? For those that use underhanded methods, or lie and insult, to continue their practice unhindered? I think the quote "You reap what you sow" fits quite nicely. As to the TB quote, lets say that Jessica is right for what I'm going to say next. One person cannot simply swim against the current. Regardless of how good a manager is, if enough is being stacked against you, you will fall. What I'm saying is that it's pretty bad business practice to air the laundry right at your company's demise. It makes you look spiteful and unethical. If Jessica had called out ESF and other people who wronged her AT THE TIME they wronged her, she would've been fully justified. Doing it this far down the road makes her look incredibly childish because everything crumbled around her. You can't call it business practice because what she did (reveal the truth) was done after slayers disbanded. And even if calling out other people for their wrongdoings is bad business practice, the other alternative does not look so bright either. It simply just feels like Jessica's on a sinking ship, and she's making sure she takes everyone down with her. And with the flurry of tweets, blog posts, and responses looking to fight anyone and everyone; spiteful might be too tame a word to describe it. Seems more like to me she is covering her ass, just imagine what would happen if she didn't say anything. People would be blaming her for the break up since she has such a bad cred. This rumour just basically wipe up all the shit she received and was fling to the fan.
Nah, she simply could've said that BoxeR and she didn't want to continue the team as he has lost motivation to be a player and she wanted to continue her acting career. Thus leaving little time, nor motivation, to continue the team. Ah done, no blaming, everyone understands.
This is definately not her reason.
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On October 21 2012 22:37 Salazarz wrote:
Why do people keep saying that Jessica is "putting all the blame on Crank" and shit like that? She is calling out every person whom she considers to be in the wrong, people who lied about whatever things, who may have attributed to loss of motivation in the team etc. Nowhere did she say that it's Crank's fault Slayers disbanded - she is simply trying to show what she believes is the truthful recollection of events surrounding the team's disbandment. She's not even all that eager to be the first to go into detail about who did what wrong - she is insisting people say honestly what happened, and when their statements differ from what she believes is true, she calls them out on that (so far with very well prepared evidence, I might add).
Exactly, it's also the correct thing to do in South Korea, to allow the person to save face by apologizing first. Instead they choose to lie and be confronted with evidence.
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On October 21 2012 22:39 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:32 ImNightmare wrote:On October 21 2012 22:28 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:24 Cubu wrote:On October 21 2012 22:18 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:11 Shival wrote:On October 21 2012 22:08 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:04 McDrizzle wrote:On October 21 2012 21:46 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
It's no wonder SlayerS collapsed. How can any player play in an environment where every conversation is being recorded, nothing spoken to management is confidential, and there's always a sense of fear if anyone ever spoke up about anything?
While Jessica has all the "evidence," she sounds incredibly manipulative and unable to blame herself for some of the team's failings. What about the players who left on good terms they do not seem to be getting killed right now... Yes, there are some things that should remain private (ie slave contract) but some players choose not to express their opinions. IE Dragon said he wanted to retire from pro-gaming so he left but then joins Millennium a month or two later and Crank well I dont know the full story of it just Jessica's side. The evidence is used when the players or person wants to be a phony and not own up to what they have done, so the better question for you is that will people accused are unable to blame themselves for their parts played? I think the worst part about all this is the announcement of SlayerS disbanding with Jessica airing out all the dirty laundry. Literally a list of people she throws all under the bus. Rather than leave gracefully, it's become a sideshow full of drama and she plays the blame game masterfully with all fingers pointing at everyone but herself. I like TB's quote where he mentions when a team fails "one must look at the top rather than the bottom." You're saying that it should be kept in the dark? For those that use underhanded methods, or lie and insult, to continue their practice unhindered? I think the quote "You reap what you sow" fits quite nicely. As to the TB quote, lets say that Jessica is right for what I'm going to say next. One person cannot simply swim against the current. Regardless of how good a manager is, if enough is being stacked against you, you will fall. What I'm saying is that it's pretty bad business practice to air the laundry right at your company's demise. It makes you look spiteful and unethical. If Jessica had called out ESF and other people who wronged her AT THE TIME they wronged her, she would've been fully justified. Doing it this far down the road makes her look incredibly childish because everything crumbled around her. You can't call it business practice because what she did (reveal the truth) was done after slayers disbanded. And even if calling out other people for their wrongdoings is bad business practice, the other alternative does not look so bright either. It simply just feels like Jessica's on a sinking ship, and she's making sure she takes everyone down with her. And with the flurry of tweets, blog posts, and responses looking to fight anyone and everyone; spiteful might be too tame a word to describe it. Seems more like to me she is covering her ass, just imagine what would happen if she didn't say anything. People would be blaming her for the break up since she has such a bad cred. This rumour just basically wipe up all the shit she received and was fling to the fan. Nah, she simply could've said that BoxeR and she didn't want to continue the team as he has lost motivation to be a player and she wanted to continue her acting career. Thus leaving little time, nor motivation, to continue the team. Ah done, no blaming, everyone understands. This is definately not her reason.
Ahh.. that makes sense. Ah well, if one thing good is coming out of this, its that sc2 is getting free publicity, not a good one, but any publicity is publicity.
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On October 21 2012 22:28 DrakeFZX3 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:24 Cubu wrote:On October 21 2012 22:18 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:11 Shival wrote:On October 21 2012 22:08 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:04 McDrizzle wrote:On October 21 2012 21:46 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
It's no wonder SlayerS collapsed. How can any player play in an environment where every conversation is being recorded, nothing spoken to management is confidential, and there's always a sense of fear if anyone ever spoke up about anything?
While Jessica has all the "evidence," she sounds incredibly manipulative and unable to blame herself for some of the team's failings. What about the players who left on good terms they do not seem to be getting killed right now... Yes, there are some things that should remain private (ie slave contract) but some players choose not to express their opinions. IE Dragon said he wanted to retire from pro-gaming so he left but then joins Millennium a month or two later and Crank well I dont know the full story of it just Jessica's side. The evidence is used when the players or person wants to be a phony and not own up to what they have done, so the better question for you is that will people accused are unable to blame themselves for their parts played? I think the worst part about all this is the announcement of SlayerS disbanding with Jessica airing out all the dirty laundry. Literally a list of people she throws all under the bus. Rather than leave gracefully, it's become a sideshow full of drama and she plays the blame game masterfully with all fingers pointing at everyone but herself. I like TB's quote where he mentions when a team fails "one must look at the top rather than the bottom." You're saying that it should be kept in the dark? For those that use underhanded methods, or lie and insult, to continue their practice unhindered? I think the quote "You reap what you sow" fits quite nicely. As to the TB quote, lets say that Jessica is right for what I'm going to say next. One person cannot simply swim against the current. Regardless of how good a manager is, if enough is being stacked against you, you will fall. What I'm saying is that it's pretty bad business practice to air the laundry right at your company's demise. It makes you look spiteful and unethical. If Jessica had called out ESF and other people who wronged her AT THE TIME they wronged her, she would've been fully justified. Doing it this far down the road makes her look incredibly childish because everything crumbled around her. You can't call it business practice because what she did (reveal the truth) was done after slayers disbanded. And even if calling out other people for their wrongdoings is bad business practice, the other alternative does not look so bright either. It simply just feels like Jessica's on a sinking ship, and she's making sure she takes everyone down with her. And with the flurry of tweets, blog posts, and responses looking to fight anyone and everyone; spiteful might be too tame a word to describe it.
yeah of course it may seem that way at first glance and that is along the lines of what everyone here was thinking too in the beginning. But then evidence was brought in, which corroborated jessica's statement. Her intentions doesn't matter now.
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On October 21 2012 22:42 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:39 Shival wrote:On October 21 2012 22:32 ImNightmare wrote:On October 21 2012 22:28 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:24 Cubu wrote:On October 21 2012 22:18 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:11 Shival wrote:On October 21 2012 22:08 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:04 McDrizzle wrote:On October 21 2012 21:46 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
It's no wonder SlayerS collapsed. How can any player play in an environment where every conversation is being recorded, nothing spoken to management is confidential, and there's always a sense of fear if anyone ever spoke up about anything?
While Jessica has all the "evidence," she sounds incredibly manipulative and unable to blame herself for some of the team's failings. What about the players who left on good terms they do not seem to be getting killed right now... Yes, there are some things that should remain private (ie slave contract) but some players choose not to express their opinions. IE Dragon said he wanted to retire from pro-gaming so he left but then joins Millennium a month or two later and Crank well I dont know the full story of it just Jessica's side. The evidence is used when the players or person wants to be a phony and not own up to what they have done, so the better question for you is that will people accused are unable to blame themselves for their parts played? I think the worst part about all this is the announcement of SlayerS disbanding with Jessica airing out all the dirty laundry. Literally a list of people she throws all under the bus. Rather than leave gracefully, it's become a sideshow full of drama and she plays the blame game masterfully with all fingers pointing at everyone but herself. I like TB's quote where he mentions when a team fails "one must look at the top rather than the bottom." You're saying that it should be kept in the dark? For those that use underhanded methods, or lie and insult, to continue their practice unhindered? I think the quote "You reap what you sow" fits quite nicely. As to the TB quote, lets say that Jessica is right for what I'm going to say next. One person cannot simply swim against the current. Regardless of how good a manager is, if enough is being stacked against you, you will fall. What I'm saying is that it's pretty bad business practice to air the laundry right at your company's demise. It makes you look spiteful and unethical. If Jessica had called out ESF and other people who wronged her AT THE TIME they wronged her, she would've been fully justified. Doing it this far down the road makes her look incredibly childish because everything crumbled around her. You can't call it business practice because what she did (reveal the truth) was done after slayers disbanded. And even if calling out other people for their wrongdoings is bad business practice, the other alternative does not look so bright either. It simply just feels like Jessica's on a sinking ship, and she's making sure she takes everyone down with her. And with the flurry of tweets, blog posts, and responses looking to fight anyone and everyone; spiteful might be too tame a word to describe it. Seems more like to me she is covering her ass, just imagine what would happen if she didn't say anything. People would be blaming her for the break up since she has such a bad cred. This rumour just basically wipe up all the shit she received and was fling to the fan. Nah, she simply could've said that BoxeR and she didn't want to continue the team as he has lost motivation to be a player and she wanted to continue her acting career. Thus leaving little time, nor motivation, to continue the team. Ah done, no blaming, everyone understands. This is definately not her reason. Ahh.. that makes sense. Ah well, if one thing good is coming out of this, its that sc2 is getting free publicity, not a good one, but any publicity is publicity.
True enough
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I always thought Jessica was absolutely insane, sad to see it ruin my favorite Korean team though. Oh well
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On October 21 2012 22:45 obsidia wrote:
I always thought Jessica was absolutely insane, sad to see it ruin my favorite Korean team though. Oh well
At the very least we won't see her running any more SCII teams.
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Are we going to lose our slayers logo in TL?
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On October 21 2012 22:32 Kavas wrote:
Btw, can we get some responses from the Korean forum. I'm interested in what they have to say.
hint: i dont think axiom did a right move PR wiseat least in regard to the korean community
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On October 21 2012 22:49 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:45 obsidia wrote:
I always thought Jessica was absolutely insane, sad to see it ruin my favorite Korean team though. Oh well At the very least we won't see her running any more SCII teams.
A year from now we'll be looking back and celebrating the anniversary.
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On October 21 2012 22:45 obsidia wrote:
I always thought Jessica was absolutely insane, sad to see it ruin my favorite Korean team though. Oh well
you do realize she founded your favorite team
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On October 21 2012 22:51 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:32 Kavas wrote:
Btw, can we get some responses from the Korean forum. I'm interested in what they have to say. hint: i dont think axiom did a right move PR wiseat least in regard to the korean community
hint: What farnham just said was an understatement.
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On October 21 2012 22:51 herbie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:49 Integra wrote:On October 21 2012 22:45 obsidia wrote:
I always thought Jessica was absolutely insane, sad to see it ruin my favorite Korean team though. Oh well At the very least we won't see her running any more SCII teams. A year from now we'll be looking back and celebrating the anniversary.
if this leads to the demise of all ESF teams involved, them yes we will celebrate the great purge
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