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On October 21 2012 22:00 Conti wrote:I thought it would be interesting to compare Jessica's original statement to Crank's, so that's just what I did: Jessica's statementCrank's statementI also bolded statements that are important or directly contradict each other. Show nested quote +
- The reason why MMA got demoted was not that. I have explained why he was being bullied and mocked and got him comprehended. That's when Crank and MMA hung around alot after that. Crank visited me and complained that the team atmosphere was so bad, he felt pressured and stressed. That's when I asked BoxeR, who at the time was resting to sort out his shoulder problem, to stay in the team house and look after them.
- However, Crank complained once again that talking to the coach and BoxeR's presence did not make any difference and asked me what I actually did. I felt very sorry to him. My player is complaining and all I did didn't help him..
- Crank told me that because his neck is sore, he needed to rest. This was right before GSTL quarter finals. He said as he finished preparing for his game and he can pratise that only. I asked Cella if it's ok for him to go home and Cella told me that he has got his build order prepared for a map so he may go home.
- That weekend, he texted me requesting to be removed from the entry. Because he seemed so ill, I talked to him on messenger to see if he was ok. He didn't answer so I left a message saying 'Rest well physically and mentally peacefully and see you at the stadium'. He then texted Cella 'what is she doing this to me?' .. I don't know what I did
In refuting the first accusation I want to explain I felt for a while that Jessica, Boxer and coach Cella were not taking proper care of the team, in terms of motivation, practice routines, house atmosphere, etcetera. For many months I requested that we receive better care from the management, and although they always said they would, nothing seemed to change. Boxer came to the house to be with us, but still nothing changed. Instead of providing the support that the team needed, Boxer often sat around and did other things that were not in relation to us. His focus was not on the team, or Starcraft 2.
- That's when Cella told me that he wanted to quit and is not practising at home. He wanted to quit and rest and he has no intention of moving to another team so he begged me to release him from the contract. I had no intention of holding his back and I agreed that he wanted to rest so I let him go.
That's why I asked to go home [bad atmosphere, etc.], and leave the team, because nothing seemed to change for the better. Regarding this, I've talked to Boxer about it privately, and Boxer said, in that conversation, that he admits, and recognises, his fault. I made it a point to tell him that it was not about the money, or about going to a better team, because I did not want any misunderstandings when I left. But Jessica continually would not recognise her own mistakes, and made me out to be the bad guy who abandoned the team to survive on his own.
- But.. I was told by others that he is streaming and looking for a foreign team. So I asked him why he had to lie and what his unprofessional attitutes are for. I asked him if he knew why MMA wanted to leave the team. He answered 'it's because of me - when I told MMA that I want to move to another team because of the team atmosphere, MMA wanted to join me'. I asked MMA whether it was true and he denied.
Once I left the team , and went back home, I realised how alone I was. I had no team, and was only a Code B player with nothing to brag about. On top of that, I was an old, Korean age 24, player living at home. As a man who has already finished his military service, I could not ask my family for much monetary support. It was a humbling challenge for me to be back there. Because of this, I started streaming, but since my career wasn't that great I only made about one hundred and fifty to two hundred thousand wan a month, which is about the equivalent of one hundred and forty to one hundred and eighty five dollars. That is what prompted me to look for a team that could provide me with a good gaming environment so that I could better myself. It was never my intention to search for a team with lots of money.
- Recently, Crank rang me and screamed 'why are you relating me with Ganzi, Alicia and MMA's problem? do you want to ruin my progamer life?' I lost my words. I knew he wasn't happy with me and the team. But I asked 'Do you know where you are yelling at? I have looked after you and cared for you as the team owner and the manager for years'.. but he yelled back saying 'who do you think you are? where are you yelling at?'. Boxer who was right next to me got the phone off me after listening to him, but then he also yelled at BoxeR saying 'what were you doing during all this?' and then claimed that he will only play SC2 for this year and he just wanted to enjoy the game and that's why he left the team. I have this on recording and I will see what he does in the future.
In response to the second accusation, my response is that during my last phone call with Jessica we got into a screaming match. No matter what I said, she refused to listen, saying 'no matter what you say, I will not listen to you, you are a liar who left the team.' I urged her to resolve this matter over the phone, but her mind was made up. I kept on trying to talk with her, but it was in vain. Then Boxer got on the phone. He explained that, according to him, from the perspective of the team and himself, I was the cause of all the internal issues, including the MMA, Ryung and Alicia ones. I questioned this statement. I asked him 'don't you remember all the times I said let's change things and let's work harder, why do you think I am the cause.' After I reminded him of our past conversations, he finally said that he understood where I was coming from, but from the view of the team, that's just the way it had to be. He said 'I recognise that you tried your best to change things, but there's nothing I can do from the perspective of the team. I also accept responsibility that I did wrong too, but it would have been better if you didn't leave the team on such a bad note. After all this, we can set up a separate meeting and reconcile you and Jessica.' I broke down crying due to frustration. It is true that I had very angry emotions that I couldn't hold back any more regarding Jessica, and it is wrong of me that I fought with, and screamed at, an adult. But when I was on the phone with Boxer, I did not yell. I was crying because I felt really wronged by all of this.
Honestly, a lot of this looks like simple misunderstandings spiraling out of control to me. The two accounts of events are really not all that different. Bad timing and both sides not acting perfectly seemed to have led to lots of avoidable drama, guessing from the information provided. Meh. :/
i dont think jessicas statement said ganzi.
it said ryung
the names are similar kim dongju and kimdongwon.. maybe a translation error
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On October 21 2012 22:14 DrakeFZX3 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:10 Kavas wrote:On October 21 2012 21:59 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 21:51 Kavas wrote:On October 21 2012 21:48 Medrea wrote:
I could totally see myself playing for a team where everything is blamed on me, everything is being recorded, and my managers are completely without fault. You've never been in a work place before have you? Where they monitor your internet usage, phone and probably have camera watching you as well? Also nowhere in Jessica's statement did she blame everything on Crank (assuming that's what you're inferring to). There's plenty of workplaces where they monitor your internet usage as well as surveillance cameras. That's still not the same as an environment where anything you say can and will be used against you should you ever leave. It's a work environment based on intimidation and fear. I don't care where you work, an environment like that won't have workers working there long. Actually, you already are in an environment where everything can be used against you. Whether they will be is another matter; there is no evidence that points Jessica planned to bring this any further if Crank had kept his word. From the text, At that time, Cella told me that Crank had told him he was quitting the game. I asked Crank why he didn't tell me directly, and he said he just really wanted to rest, and that he had no thoughts of joining a foreign team or any other team, and to please just let him go. I had no thoughts of stopping him from leaving, so I agreed to allow him to leave SlayerS.
However, afterward, I heard that he was streaming and looking for a foreign team. When I asked him why he lied to me, saying it was unprofessional of him to do so. He asked in return, if I knew why MMA wanted to leave the team. Crank said it was because of himself, that when he wanted to leave the team because of the stressful team atmosphere, that MMA had said the should leave together. When I asked MMA for confirmation, he said it was not true. . Taeja and Ganzi didn't have any problems, there is no reason to believe that Jessica just loves hounding her players who join foreign team. Well, the fact that when SlayerS was announced to be disbanding, Jessica practically aired out all the dirty laundry. So that pretty much said nothing was off limits with her. And from everything gathered so far, she has no problems dragging anyone and everyone through the mud. Has anyone ever even asked themselves: "Why are players even leaving SlayerS?" Even the ones that left on good terms. This entire year has been a mass exodus of players vacating the team. That sounds incredibly suspicious to me. Jessica may be an excellent business woman, but from everything that has happened so far she's a really poor manager.
I really pity MC though. Dude got dragged through the dirty laundries when he wasn't even part of ESF and slayers.
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On October 21 2012 22:15 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:14 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:10 Kavas wrote:On October 21 2012 21:59 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 21:51 Kavas wrote:On October 21 2012 21:48 Medrea wrote:
I could totally see myself playing for a team where everything is blamed on me, everything is being recorded, and my managers are completely without fault. You've never been in a work place before have you? Where they monitor your internet usage, phone and probably have camera watching you as well? Also nowhere in Jessica's statement did she blame everything on Crank (assuming that's what you're inferring to). There's plenty of workplaces where they monitor your internet usage as well as surveillance cameras. That's still not the same as an environment where anything you say can and will be used against you should you ever leave. It's a work environment based on intimidation and fear. I don't care where you work, an environment like that won't have workers working there long. Actually, you already are in an environment where everything can be used against you. Whether they will be is another matter; there is no evidence that points Jessica planned to bring this any further if Crank had kept his word. From the text, At that time, Cella told me that Crank had told him he was quitting the game. I asked Crank why he didn't tell me directly, and he said he just really wanted to rest, and that he had no thoughts of joining a foreign team or any other team, and to please just let him go. I had no thoughts of stopping him from leaving, so I agreed to allow him to leave SlayerS.
However, afterward, I heard that he was streaming and looking for a foreign team. When I asked him why he lied to me, saying it was unprofessional of him to do so. He asked in return, if I knew why MMA wanted to leave the team. Crank said it was because of himself, that when he wanted to leave the team because of the stressful team atmosphere, that MMA had said the should leave together. When I asked MMA for confirmation, he said it was not true. . Taeja and Ganzi didn't have any problems, there is no reason to believe that Jessica just loves hounding her players who join foreign team. Well, the fact that when SlayerS was announced to be disbanding, Jessica practically aired out all the dirty laundry. So that pretty much said nothing was off limits with her. And from everything gathered so far, she has no problems dragging anyone and everyone through the mud. Has anyone ever even asked themselves: "Why are players even leaving SlayerS?" Even the ones that left on good terms. This entire year has been a mass exodus of players vacating the team. That sounds incredibly suspicious to me. Jessica may be an excellent business woman, but from everything that has happened so far she's a really poor manager. I really pity MC though. Dude got dragged through the dirty laundries when he wasn't even part of ESF and slayers.
Same here. He gets way too much FlaK for his slip-up. He did a mistake, kk. Scold him, done. Then move on. No need to completely deconstruct him because of that (granted, idiotic) comment.
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On October 21 2012 22:14 DrakeFZX3 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:10 Kavas wrote:On October 21 2012 21:59 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 21:51 Kavas wrote:On October 21 2012 21:48 Medrea wrote:
I could totally see myself playing for a team where everything is blamed on me, everything is being recorded, and my managers are completely without fault. You've never been in a work place before have you? Where they monitor your internet usage, phone and probably have camera watching you as well? Also nowhere in Jessica's statement did she blame everything on Crank (assuming that's what you're inferring to). There's plenty of workplaces where they monitor your internet usage as well as surveillance cameras. That's still not the same as an environment where anything you say can and will be used against you should you ever leave. It's a work environment based on intimidation and fear. I don't care where you work, an environment like that won't have workers working there long. Actually, you already are in an environment where everything can be used against you. Whether they will be is another matter; there is no evidence that points Jessica planned to bring this any further if Crank had kept his word. From the text, At that time, Cella told me that Crank had told him he was quitting the game. I asked Crank why he didn't tell me directly, and he said he just really wanted to rest, and that he had no thoughts of joining a foreign team or any other team, and to please just let him go. I had no thoughts of stopping him from leaving, so I agreed to allow him to leave SlayerS.
However, afterward, I heard that he was streaming and looking for a foreign team. When I asked him why he lied to me, saying it was unprofessional of him to do so. He asked in return, if I knew why MMA wanted to leave the team. Crank said it was because of himself, that when he wanted to leave the team because of the stressful team atmosphere, that MMA had said the should leave together. When I asked MMA for confirmation, he said it was not true. . Taeja and Ganzi didn't have any problems, there is no reason to believe that Jessica just loves hounding her players who join foreign team. Well, the fact that when SlayerS was announced to be disbanding, Jessica practically aired out all the dirty laundry. So that pretty much said nothing was off limits with her. And from everything gathered so far, she has no problems dragging anyone and everyone through the mud. Has anyone ever even asked themselves: "Why are players even leaving SlayerS?" Even the ones that left on good terms. This entire year has been a mass exodus of players vacating the team. That sounds incredibly suspicious to me. Jessica may be an excellent business woman, but from everything that has happened so far she's a really poor manager.
players come and players go..
taeja or ganzi probably found better deals. ganzi explained he wanted to live in usa before he goes to the army which is a good explanation.
sleep and golden where midtier slayers players that probably wouldnt be able to go to code s level in korea and they joined minor teams like sixjax
even with that slayers still had a big roster and a lot of good new players joined as well (dark, arthur, miya, miso to name a few.)
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On October 21 2012 22:15 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:14 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:10 Kavas wrote:On October 21 2012 21:59 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 21:51 Kavas wrote:On October 21 2012 21:48 Medrea wrote:
I could totally see myself playing for a team where everything is blamed on me, everything is being recorded, and my managers are completely without fault. You've never been in a work place before have you? Where they monitor your internet usage, phone and probably have camera watching you as well? Also nowhere in Jessica's statement did she blame everything on Crank (assuming that's what you're inferring to). There's plenty of workplaces where they monitor your internet usage as well as surveillance cameras. That's still not the same as an environment where anything you say can and will be used against you should you ever leave. It's a work environment based on intimidation and fear. I don't care where you work, an environment like that won't have workers working there long. Actually, you already are in an environment where everything can be used against you. Whether they will be is another matter; there is no evidence that points Jessica planned to bring this any further if Crank had kept his word. From the text, At that time, Cella told me that Crank had told him he was quitting the game. I asked Crank why he didn't tell me directly, and he said he just really wanted to rest, and that he had no thoughts of joining a foreign team or any other team, and to please just let him go. I had no thoughts of stopping him from leaving, so I agreed to allow him to leave SlayerS.
However, afterward, I heard that he was streaming and looking for a foreign team. When I asked him why he lied to me, saying it was unprofessional of him to do so. He asked in return, if I knew why MMA wanted to leave the team. Crank said it was because of himself, that when he wanted to leave the team because of the stressful team atmosphere, that MMA had said the should leave together. When I asked MMA for confirmation, he said it was not true. . Taeja and Ganzi didn't have any problems, there is no reason to believe that Jessica just loves hounding her players who join foreign team. Well, the fact that when SlayerS was announced to be disbanding, Jessica practically aired out all the dirty laundry. So that pretty much said nothing was off limits with her. And from everything gathered so far, she has no problems dragging anyone and everyone through the mud. Has anyone ever even asked themselves: "Why are players even leaving SlayerS?" Even the ones that left on good terms. This entire year has been a mass exodus of players vacating the team. That sounds incredibly suspicious to me. Jessica may be an excellent business woman, but from everything that has happened so far she's a really poor manager. I really pity MC though. Dude got dragged through the dirty laundries when he wasn't even part of ESF and slayers.
Hahaha ya. One day before his OSL 3/4 placing match even!
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I find it glaring that we're even discussing whether Boxer and Jessica put enough effort in the team. Because of the sponsors and the personal wealth that Boxer put into the team they had the best living standards of any Korean SC2 team. I think it's more likely that the players should look upon themselves as to the problem. It's easy to expect a manager to change the atmosphere of a team, but in the end, you as a player are part of that team, so the atmosphere change lies for the most part with you.
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On October 21 2012 22:11 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:08 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:04 McDrizzle wrote:On October 21 2012 21:46 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
It's no wonder SlayerS collapsed. How can any player play in an environment where every conversation is being recorded, nothing spoken to management is confidential, and there's always a sense of fear if anyone ever spoke up about anything?
While Jessica has all the "evidence," she sounds incredibly manipulative and unable to blame herself for some of the team's failings. What about the players who left on good terms they do not seem to be getting killed right now... Yes, there are some things that should remain private (ie slave contract) but some players choose not to express their opinions. IE Dragon said he wanted to retire from pro-gaming so he left but then joins Millennium a month or two later and Crank well I dont know the full story of it just Jessica's side. The evidence is used when the players or person wants to be a phony and not own up to what they have done, so the better question for you is that will people accused are unable to blame themselves for their parts played? I think the worst part about all this is the announcement of SlayerS disbanding with Jessica airing out all the dirty laundry. Literally a list of people she throws all under the bus. Rather than leave gracefully, it's become a sideshow full of drama and she plays the blame game masterfully with all fingers pointing at everyone but herself. I like TB's quote where he mentions when a team fails "one must look at the top rather than the bottom." You're saying that it should be kept in the dark? For those that use underhanded methods, or lie and insult, to continue their practice unhindered? I think the quote "You reap what you sow" fits quite nicely. As to the TB quote, lets say that Jessica is right for what I'm going to say next. One person cannot simply swim against the current. Regardless of how good a manager is, if enough is being stacked against you, you will fall.
What I'm saying is that it's pretty bad business practice to air the laundry right at your company's demise. It makes you look spiteful and unethical. If Jessica had called out ESF and other people who wronged her AT THE TIME they wronged her, she would've been fully justified. Doing it this far down the road makes her look incredibly childish because everything crumbled around her.
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On October 21 2012 22:17 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:15 ImNightmare wrote:On October 21 2012 22:14 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:10 Kavas wrote:On October 21 2012 21:59 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 21:51 Kavas wrote:On October 21 2012 21:48 Medrea wrote:
I could totally see myself playing for a team where everything is blamed on me, everything is being recorded, and my managers are completely without fault. You've never been in a work place before have you? Where they monitor your internet usage, phone and probably have camera watching you as well? Also nowhere in Jessica's statement did she blame everything on Crank (assuming that's what you're inferring to). There's plenty of workplaces where they monitor your internet usage as well as surveillance cameras. That's still not the same as an environment where anything you say can and will be used against you should you ever leave. It's a work environment based on intimidation and fear. I don't care where you work, an environment like that won't have workers working there long. Actually, you already are in an environment where everything can be used against you. Whether they will be is another matter; there is no evidence that points Jessica planned to bring this any further if Crank had kept his word. From the text, At that time, Cella told me that Crank had told him he was quitting the game. I asked Crank why he didn't tell me directly, and he said he just really wanted to rest, and that he had no thoughts of joining a foreign team or any other team, and to please just let him go. I had no thoughts of stopping him from leaving, so I agreed to allow him to leave SlayerS.
However, afterward, I heard that he was streaming and looking for a foreign team. When I asked him why he lied to me, saying it was unprofessional of him to do so. He asked in return, if I knew why MMA wanted to leave the team. Crank said it was because of himself, that when he wanted to leave the team because of the stressful team atmosphere, that MMA had said the should leave together. When I asked MMA for confirmation, he said it was not true. . Taeja and Ganzi didn't have any problems, there is no reason to believe that Jessica just loves hounding her players who join foreign team. Well, the fact that when SlayerS was announced to be disbanding, Jessica practically aired out all the dirty laundry. So that pretty much said nothing was off limits with her. And from everything gathered so far, she has no problems dragging anyone and everyone through the mud. Has anyone ever even asked themselves: "Why are players even leaving SlayerS?" Even the ones that left on good terms. This entire year has been a mass exodus of players vacating the team. That sounds incredibly suspicious to me. Jessica may be an excellent business woman, but from everything that has happened so far she's a really poor manager. I really pity MC though. Dude got dragged through the dirty laundries when he wasn't even part of ESF and slayers. Same here. He gets way too much FlaK for his slip-up. He did a mistake, kk. Scold him, done. Then move on. No need to completely deconstruct him because of that (granted, idiotic) comment.
lol...Knetizens aren't letting him go though. he says he is being rip many times online now
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On October 21 2012 22:18 Weirdkid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:15 ImNightmare wrote:On October 21 2012 22:14 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:10 Kavas wrote:On October 21 2012 21:59 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 21:51 Kavas wrote:On October 21 2012 21:48 Medrea wrote:
I could totally see myself playing for a team where everything is blamed on me, everything is being recorded, and my managers are completely without fault. You've never been in a work place before have you? Where they monitor your internet usage, phone and probably have camera watching you as well? Also nowhere in Jessica's statement did she blame everything on Crank (assuming that's what you're inferring to). There's plenty of workplaces where they monitor your internet usage as well as surveillance cameras. That's still not the same as an environment where anything you say can and will be used against you should you ever leave. It's a work environment based on intimidation and fear. I don't care where you work, an environment like that won't have workers working there long. Actually, you already are in an environment where everything can be used against you. Whether they will be is another matter; there is no evidence that points Jessica planned to bring this any further if Crank had kept his word. From the text, At that time, Cella told me that Crank had told him he was quitting the game. I asked Crank why he didn't tell me directly, and he said he just really wanted to rest, and that he had no thoughts of joining a foreign team or any other team, and to please just let him go. I had no thoughts of stopping him from leaving, so I agreed to allow him to leave SlayerS.
However, afterward, I heard that he was streaming and looking for a foreign team. When I asked him why he lied to me, saying it was unprofessional of him to do so. He asked in return, if I knew why MMA wanted to leave the team. Crank said it was because of himself, that when he wanted to leave the team because of the stressful team atmosphere, that MMA had said the should leave together. When I asked MMA for confirmation, he said it was not true. . Taeja and Ganzi didn't have any problems, there is no reason to believe that Jessica just loves hounding her players who join foreign team. Well, the fact that when SlayerS was announced to be disbanding, Jessica practically aired out all the dirty laundry. So that pretty much said nothing was off limits with her. And from everything gathered so far, she has no problems dragging anyone and everyone through the mud. Has anyone ever even asked themselves: "Why are players even leaving SlayerS?" Even the ones that left on good terms. This entire year has been a mass exodus of players vacating the team. That sounds incredibly suspicious to me. Jessica may be an excellent business woman, but from everything that has happened so far she's a really poor manager. I really pity MC though. Dude got dragged through the dirty laundries when he wasn't even part of ESF and slayers. Hahaha ya. One day before his OSL 3/4 placing match even!
At least he won! Dude deserves a break when he apologised, albeit I still think it wasn't overboard, but hey, different culture what do we know
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On October 21 2012 22:18 DrakeFZX3 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:11 Shival wrote:On October 21 2012 22:08 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:04 McDrizzle wrote:On October 21 2012 21:46 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
It's no wonder SlayerS collapsed. How can any player play in an environment where every conversation is being recorded, nothing spoken to management is confidential, and there's always a sense of fear if anyone ever spoke up about anything?
While Jessica has all the "evidence," she sounds incredibly manipulative and unable to blame herself for some of the team's failings. What about the players who left on good terms they do not seem to be getting killed right now... Yes, there are some things that should remain private (ie slave contract) but some players choose not to express their opinions. IE Dragon said he wanted to retire from pro-gaming so he left but then joins Millennium a month or two later and Crank well I dont know the full story of it just Jessica's side. The evidence is used when the players or person wants to be a phony and not own up to what they have done, so the better question for you is that will people accused are unable to blame themselves for their parts played? I think the worst part about all this is the announcement of SlayerS disbanding with Jessica airing out all the dirty laundry. Literally a list of people she throws all under the bus. Rather than leave gracefully, it's become a sideshow full of drama and she plays the blame game masterfully with all fingers pointing at everyone but herself. I like TB's quote where he mentions when a team fails "one must look at the top rather than the bottom." You're saying that it should be kept in the dark? For those that use underhanded methods, or lie and insult, to continue their practice unhindered? I think the quote "You reap what you sow" fits quite nicely. As to the TB quote, lets say that Jessica is right for what I'm going to say next. One person cannot simply swim against the current. Regardless of how good a manager is, if enough is being stacked against you, you will fall. What I'm saying is that it's pretty bad business practice to air the laundry right at your company's demise. It makes you look spiteful and unethical. If Jessica had called out ESF and other people who wronged her AT THE TIME they wronged her, she would've been fully justified. Doing it this far down the road makes her look incredibly childish because everything crumbled around her.
Haha, you talk about business practice and you do not realise that trying to solve matters through private channels is the first thing to do? That's obviously the reason why it wasn't brought out directly when it happened, but now.
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On October 21 2012 22:17 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:15 ImNightmare wrote:On October 21 2012 22:14 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:10 Kavas wrote:On October 21 2012 21:59 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 21:51 Kavas wrote:On October 21 2012 21:48 Medrea wrote:
I could totally see myself playing for a team where everything is blamed on me, everything is being recorded, and my managers are completely without fault. You've never been in a work place before have you? Where they monitor your internet usage, phone and probably have camera watching you as well? Also nowhere in Jessica's statement did she blame everything on Crank (assuming that's what you're inferring to). There's plenty of workplaces where they monitor your internet usage as well as surveillance cameras. That's still not the same as an environment where anything you say can and will be used against you should you ever leave. It's a work environment based on intimidation and fear. I don't care where you work, an environment like that won't have workers working there long. Actually, you already are in an environment where everything can be used against you. Whether they will be is another matter; there is no evidence that points Jessica planned to bring this any further if Crank had kept his word. From the text, At that time, Cella told me that Crank had told him he was quitting the game. I asked Crank why he didn't tell me directly, and he said he just really wanted to rest, and that he had no thoughts of joining a foreign team or any other team, and to please just let him go. I had no thoughts of stopping him from leaving, so I agreed to allow him to leave SlayerS.
However, afterward, I heard that he was streaming and looking for a foreign team. When I asked him why he lied to me, saying it was unprofessional of him to do so. He asked in return, if I knew why MMA wanted to leave the team. Crank said it was because of himself, that when he wanted to leave the team because of the stressful team atmosphere, that MMA had said the should leave together. When I asked MMA for confirmation, he said it was not true. . Taeja and Ganzi didn't have any problems, there is no reason to believe that Jessica just loves hounding her players who join foreign team. Well, the fact that when SlayerS was announced to be disbanding, Jessica practically aired out all the dirty laundry. So that pretty much said nothing was off limits with her. And from everything gathered so far, she has no problems dragging anyone and everyone through the mud. Has anyone ever even asked themselves: "Why are players even leaving SlayerS?" Even the ones that left on good terms. This entire year has been a mass exodus of players vacating the team. That sounds incredibly suspicious to me. Jessica may be an excellent business woman, but from everything that has happened so far she's a really poor manager. I really pity MC though. Dude got dragged through the dirty laundries when he wasn't even part of ESF and slayers. Same here. He gets way too much FlaK for his slip-up. He did a mistake, kk. Scold him, done. Then move on. No need to completely deconstruct him because of that (granted, idiotic) comment.
That's MC's own fault to be honest. He could've apologized immediately and say that wasn't his intention. However he started bickering about it and returning the accusations on other matters even further back.
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On October 21 2012 22:18 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:17 m4inbrain wrote:On October 21 2012 22:15 ImNightmare wrote:On October 21 2012 22:14 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:10 Kavas wrote:On October 21 2012 21:59 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 21:51 Kavas wrote:On October 21 2012 21:48 Medrea wrote:
I could totally see myself playing for a team where everything is blamed on me, everything is being recorded, and my managers are completely without fault. You've never been in a work place before have you? Where they monitor your internet usage, phone and probably have camera watching you as well? Also nowhere in Jessica's statement did she blame everything on Crank (assuming that's what you're inferring to). There's plenty of workplaces where they monitor your internet usage as well as surveillance cameras. That's still not the same as an environment where anything you say can and will be used against you should you ever leave. It's a work environment based on intimidation and fear. I don't care where you work, an environment like that won't have workers working there long. Actually, you already are in an environment where everything can be used against you. Whether they will be is another matter; there is no evidence that points Jessica planned to bring this any further if Crank had kept his word. From the text, At that time, Cella told me that Crank had told him he was quitting the game. I asked Crank why he didn't tell me directly, and he said he just really wanted to rest, and that he had no thoughts of joining a foreign team or any other team, and to please just let him go. I had no thoughts of stopping him from leaving, so I agreed to allow him to leave SlayerS.
However, afterward, I heard that he was streaming and looking for a foreign team. When I asked him why he lied to me, saying it was unprofessional of him to do so. He asked in return, if I knew why MMA wanted to leave the team. Crank said it was because of himself, that when he wanted to leave the team because of the stressful team atmosphere, that MMA had said the should leave together. When I asked MMA for confirmation, he said it was not true. . Taeja and Ganzi didn't have any problems, there is no reason to believe that Jessica just loves hounding her players who join foreign team. Well, the fact that when SlayerS was announced to be disbanding, Jessica practically aired out all the dirty laundry. So that pretty much said nothing was off limits with her. And from everything gathered so far, she has no problems dragging anyone and everyone through the mud. Has anyone ever even asked themselves: "Why are players even leaving SlayerS?" Even the ones that left on good terms. This entire year has been a mass exodus of players vacating the team. That sounds incredibly suspicious to me. Jessica may be an excellent business woman, but from everything that has happened so far she's a really poor manager. I really pity MC though. Dude got dragged through the dirty laundries when he wasn't even part of ESF and slayers. Same here. He gets way too much FlaK for his slip-up. He did a mistake, kk. Scold him, done. Then move on. No need to completely deconstruct him because of that (granted, idiotic) comment. lol...Knetizens aren't letting him go though. he says he is being rip many times online now
Well, im not a korean netizen, so i kinda cannot do anything about it, especially because i neither understand nor speak the language. ._.
As i said, he should be left alone now, we saw that he f'd up at some point, and at some point it will bite him in the butt, so just move on to the real issues.
That's MC's own fault to be honest. He could've apologized immediately and say that wasn't his intention. However he started bickering about it and returning the accusations on other matters even further back.
You're not wrong, but still, its too much for what he did. Its not like he shot genius in the face. He insulted him/slayers, thats it. Im on Jessicas side overall, but especially in this case she is like a rabid dog, just not letting go of MC.
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On October 21 2012 22:20 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:18 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:11 Shival wrote:On October 21 2012 22:08 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:04 McDrizzle wrote:On October 21 2012 21:46 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
It's no wonder SlayerS collapsed. How can any player play in an environment where every conversation is being recorded, nothing spoken to management is confidential, and there's always a sense of fear if anyone ever spoke up about anything?
While Jessica has all the "evidence," she sounds incredibly manipulative and unable to blame herself for some of the team's failings. What about the players who left on good terms they do not seem to be getting killed right now... Yes, there are some things that should remain private (ie slave contract) but some players choose not to express their opinions. IE Dragon said he wanted to retire from pro-gaming so he left but then joins Millennium a month or two later and Crank well I dont know the full story of it just Jessica's side. The evidence is used when the players or person wants to be a phony and not own up to what they have done, so the better question for you is that will people accused are unable to blame themselves for their parts played? I think the worst part about all this is the announcement of SlayerS disbanding with Jessica airing out all the dirty laundry. Literally a list of people she throws all under the bus. Rather than leave gracefully, it's become a sideshow full of drama and she plays the blame game masterfully with all fingers pointing at everyone but herself. I like TB's quote where he mentions when a team fails "one must look at the top rather than the bottom." You're saying that it should be kept in the dark? For those that use underhanded methods, or lie and insult, to continue their practice unhindered? I think the quote "You reap what you sow" fits quite nicely. As to the TB quote, lets say that Jessica is right for what I'm going to say next. One person cannot simply swim against the current. Regardless of how good a manager is, if enough is being stacked against you, you will fall. What I'm saying is that it's pretty bad business practice to air the laundry right at your company's demise. It makes you look spiteful and unethical. If Jessica had called out ESF and other people who wronged her AT THE TIME they wronged her, she would've been fully justified. Doing it this far down the road makes her look incredibly childish because everything crumbled around her. Haha, you talk about business practice and you do not realise that trying to solve matters through private channels is the first thing to do? That's obviously the reason why it wasn't brought out directly when it happened, but now.
You do realize that this whole thing blew up because she DIDN'T solve it through private channels. That's why she put together the hitlist and threw it out there in the first place.
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On October 21 2012 22:21 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:17 m4inbrain wrote:On October 21 2012 22:15 ImNightmare wrote:On October 21 2012 22:14 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:10 Kavas wrote:On October 21 2012 21:59 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 21:51 Kavas wrote:On October 21 2012 21:48 Medrea wrote:
I could totally see myself playing for a team where everything is blamed on me, everything is being recorded, and my managers are completely without fault. You've never been in a work place before have you? Where they monitor your internet usage, phone and probably have camera watching you as well? Also nowhere in Jessica's statement did she blame everything on Crank (assuming that's what you're inferring to). There's plenty of workplaces where they monitor your internet usage as well as surveillance cameras. That's still not the same as an environment where anything you say can and will be used against you should you ever leave. It's a work environment based on intimidation and fear. I don't care where you work, an environment like that won't have workers working there long. Actually, you already are in an environment where everything can be used against you. Whether they will be is another matter; there is no evidence that points Jessica planned to bring this any further if Crank had kept his word. From the text, At that time, Cella told me that Crank had told him he was quitting the game. I asked Crank why he didn't tell me directly, and he said he just really wanted to rest, and that he had no thoughts of joining a foreign team or any other team, and to please just let him go. I had no thoughts of stopping him from leaving, so I agreed to allow him to leave SlayerS.
However, afterward, I heard that he was streaming and looking for a foreign team. When I asked him why he lied to me, saying it was unprofessional of him to do so. He asked in return, if I knew why MMA wanted to leave the team. Crank said it was because of himself, that when he wanted to leave the team because of the stressful team atmosphere, that MMA had said the should leave together. When I asked MMA for confirmation, he said it was not true. . Taeja and Ganzi didn't have any problems, there is no reason to believe that Jessica just loves hounding her players who join foreign team. Well, the fact that when SlayerS was announced to be disbanding, Jessica practically aired out all the dirty laundry. So that pretty much said nothing was off limits with her. And from everything gathered so far, she has no problems dragging anyone and everyone through the mud. Has anyone ever even asked themselves: "Why are players even leaving SlayerS?" Even the ones that left on good terms. This entire year has been a mass exodus of players vacating the team. That sounds incredibly suspicious to me. Jessica may be an excellent business woman, but from everything that has happened so far she's a really poor manager. I really pity MC though. Dude got dragged through the dirty laundries when he wasn't even part of ESF and slayers. Same here. He gets way too much FlaK for his slip-up. He did a mistake, kk. Scold him, done. Then move on. No need to completely deconstruct him because of that (granted, idiotic) comment. That's MC's own fault to be honest. He could've apologized immediately and say that wasn't his intention. However he started bickering about it and returning the accusations on other matters even further back.
So its alright for Jessica to bicker and accuse him while he can't retailiate and defend himself?
Double standard at its finest right there.
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On October 21 2012 22:21 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:17 m4inbrain wrote:On October 21 2012 22:15 ImNightmare wrote:On October 21 2012 22:14 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:10 Kavas wrote:On October 21 2012 21:59 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 21:51 Kavas wrote:On October 21 2012 21:48 Medrea wrote:
I could totally see myself playing for a team where everything is blamed on me, everything is being recorded, and my managers are completely without fault. You've never been in a work place before have you? Where they monitor your internet usage, phone and probably have camera watching you as well? Also nowhere in Jessica's statement did she blame everything on Crank (assuming that's what you're inferring to). There's plenty of workplaces where they monitor your internet usage as well as surveillance cameras. That's still not the same as an environment where anything you say can and will be used against you should you ever leave. It's a work environment based on intimidation and fear. I don't care where you work, an environment like that won't have workers working there long. Actually, you already are in an environment where everything can be used against you. Whether they will be is another matter; there is no evidence that points Jessica planned to bring this any further if Crank had kept his word. From the text, At that time, Cella told me that Crank had told him he was quitting the game. I asked Crank why he didn't tell me directly, and he said he just really wanted to rest, and that he had no thoughts of joining a foreign team or any other team, and to please just let him go. I had no thoughts of stopping him from leaving, so I agreed to allow him to leave SlayerS.
However, afterward, I heard that he was streaming and looking for a foreign team. When I asked him why he lied to me, saying it was unprofessional of him to do so. He asked in return, if I knew why MMA wanted to leave the team. Crank said it was because of himself, that when he wanted to leave the team because of the stressful team atmosphere, that MMA had said the should leave together. When I asked MMA for confirmation, he said it was not true. . Taeja and Ganzi didn't have any problems, there is no reason to believe that Jessica just loves hounding her players who join foreign team. Well, the fact that when SlayerS was announced to be disbanding, Jessica practically aired out all the dirty laundry. So that pretty much said nothing was off limits with her. And from everything gathered so far, she has no problems dragging anyone and everyone through the mud. Has anyone ever even asked themselves: "Why are players even leaving SlayerS?" Even the ones that left on good terms. This entire year has been a mass exodus of players vacating the team. That sounds incredibly suspicious to me. Jessica may be an excellent business woman, but from everything that has happened so far she's a really poor manager. I really pity MC though. Dude got dragged through the dirty laundries when he wasn't even part of ESF and slayers. Same here. He gets way too much FlaK for his slip-up. He did a mistake, kk. Scold him, done. Then move on. No need to completely deconstruct him because of that (granted, idiotic) comment. That's MC's own fault to be honest. He could've apologized immediately and say that wasn't his intention. However he started bickering about it and returning the accusations on other matters even further back. also his apology isnt really an apology to be honest
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On October 21 2012 22:18 DrakeFZX3 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:11 Shival wrote:On October 21 2012 22:08 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:04 McDrizzle wrote:On October 21 2012 21:46 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
It's no wonder SlayerS collapsed. How can any player play in an environment where every conversation is being recorded, nothing spoken to management is confidential, and there's always a sense of fear if anyone ever spoke up about anything?
While Jessica has all the "evidence," she sounds incredibly manipulative and unable to blame herself for some of the team's failings. What about the players who left on good terms they do not seem to be getting killed right now... Yes, there are some things that should remain private (ie slave contract) but some players choose not to express their opinions. IE Dragon said he wanted to retire from pro-gaming so he left but then joins Millennium a month or two later and Crank well I dont know the full story of it just Jessica's side. The evidence is used when the players or person wants to be a phony and not own up to what they have done, so the better question for you is that will people accused are unable to blame themselves for their parts played? I think the worst part about all this is the announcement of SlayerS disbanding with Jessica airing out all the dirty laundry. Literally a list of people she throws all under the bus. Rather than leave gracefully, it's become a sideshow full of drama and she plays the blame game masterfully with all fingers pointing at everyone but herself. I like TB's quote where he mentions when a team fails "one must look at the top rather than the bottom." You're saying that it should be kept in the dark? For those that use underhanded methods, or lie and insult, to continue their practice unhindered? I think the quote "You reap what you sow" fits quite nicely. As to the TB quote, lets say that Jessica is right for what I'm going to say next. One person cannot simply swim against the current. Regardless of how good a manager is, if enough is being stacked against you, you will fall. What I'm saying is that it's pretty bad business practice to air the laundry right at your company's demise. It makes you look spiteful and unethical. If Jessica had called out ESF and other people who wronged her AT THE TIME they wronged her, she would've been fully justified. Doing it this far down the road makes her look incredibly childish because everything crumbled around her.
You can't call it business practice because what she did (reveal the truth) was done after slayers disbanded. And even if calling out other people for their wrongdoings is bad business practice, the other alternative does not look so bright either.
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On October 21 2012 22:21 DrakeFZX3 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:20 Shival wrote:On October 21 2012 22:18 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:11 Shival wrote:On October 21 2012 22:08 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:04 McDrizzle wrote:On October 21 2012 21:46 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
It's no wonder SlayerS collapsed. How can any player play in an environment where every conversation is being recorded, nothing spoken to management is confidential, and there's always a sense of fear if anyone ever spoke up about anything?
While Jessica has all the "evidence," she sounds incredibly manipulative and unable to blame herself for some of the team's failings. What about the players who left on good terms they do not seem to be getting killed right now... Yes, there are some things that should remain private (ie slave contract) but some players choose not to express their opinions. IE Dragon said he wanted to retire from pro-gaming so he left but then joins Millennium a month or two later and Crank well I dont know the full story of it just Jessica's side. The evidence is used when the players or person wants to be a phony and not own up to what they have done, so the better question for you is that will people accused are unable to blame themselves for their parts played? I think the worst part about all this is the announcement of SlayerS disbanding with Jessica airing out all the dirty laundry. Literally a list of people she throws all under the bus. Rather than leave gracefully, it's become a sideshow full of drama and she plays the blame game masterfully with all fingers pointing at everyone but herself. I like TB's quote where he mentions when a team fails "one must look at the top rather than the bottom." You're saying that it should be kept in the dark? For those that use underhanded methods, or lie and insult, to continue their practice unhindered? I think the quote "You reap what you sow" fits quite nicely. As to the TB quote, lets say that Jessica is right for what I'm going to say next. One person cannot simply swim against the current. Regardless of how good a manager is, if enough is being stacked against you, you will fall. What I'm saying is that it's pretty bad business practice to air the laundry right at your company's demise. It makes you look spiteful and unethical. If Jessica had called out ESF and other people who wronged her AT THE TIME they wronged her, she would've been fully justified. Doing it this far down the road makes her look incredibly childish because everything crumbled around her. Haha, you talk about business practice and you do not realise that trying to solve matters through private channels is the first thing to do? That's obviously the reason why it wasn't brought out directly when it happened, but now. You do realize that this whole thing blew up because she DIDN'T solve it through private channels. That's why she put together the hitlist and threw it out there in the first place.
She did try to solve it through private channels, both sides have said so. It's not her fault that eSF and others didn't manage to come to terms. It's very reasonable to open the bottle when it's been withheld for so long without any support.
On October 21 2012 22:23 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:21 Shival wrote:On October 21 2012 22:17 m4inbrain wrote:On October 21 2012 22:15 ImNightmare wrote:On October 21 2012 22:14 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:10 Kavas wrote:On October 21 2012 21:59 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 21:51 Kavas wrote:On October 21 2012 21:48 Medrea wrote:
I could totally see myself playing for a team where everything is blamed on me, everything is being recorded, and my managers are completely without fault. You've never been in a work place before have you? Where they monitor your internet usage, phone and probably have camera watching you as well? Also nowhere in Jessica's statement did she blame everything on Crank (assuming that's what you're inferring to). There's plenty of workplaces where they monitor your internet usage as well as surveillance cameras. That's still not the same as an environment where anything you say can and will be used against you should you ever leave. It's a work environment based on intimidation and fear. I don't care where you work, an environment like that won't have workers working there long. Actually, you already are in an environment where everything can be used against you. Whether they will be is another matter; there is no evidence that points Jessica planned to bring this any further if Crank had kept his word. From the text, At that time, Cella told me that Crank had told him he was quitting the game. I asked Crank why he didn't tell me directly, and he said he just really wanted to rest, and that he had no thoughts of joining a foreign team or any other team, and to please just let him go. I had no thoughts of stopping him from leaving, so I agreed to allow him to leave SlayerS.
However, afterward, I heard that he was streaming and looking for a foreign team. When I asked him why he lied to me, saying it was unprofessional of him to do so. He asked in return, if I knew why MMA wanted to leave the team. Crank said it was because of himself, that when he wanted to leave the team because of the stressful team atmosphere, that MMA had said the should leave together. When I asked MMA for confirmation, he said it was not true. . Taeja and Ganzi didn't have any problems, there is no reason to believe that Jessica just loves hounding her players who join foreign team. Well, the fact that when SlayerS was announced to be disbanding, Jessica practically aired out all the dirty laundry. So that pretty much said nothing was off limits with her. And from everything gathered so far, she has no problems dragging anyone and everyone through the mud. Has anyone ever even asked themselves: "Why are players even leaving SlayerS?" Even the ones that left on good terms. This entire year has been a mass exodus of players vacating the team. That sounds incredibly suspicious to me. Jessica may be an excellent business woman, but from everything that has happened so far she's a really poor manager. I really pity MC though. Dude got dragged through the dirty laundries when he wasn't even part of ESF and slayers. Same here. He gets way too much FlaK for his slip-up. He did a mistake, kk. Scold him, done. Then move on. No need to completely deconstruct him because of that (granted, idiotic) comment. That's MC's own fault to be honest. He could've apologized immediately and say that wasn't his intention. However he started bickering about it and returning the accusations on other matters even further back. also his apology isnt really an apology to be honest
Agreed.
On October 21 2012 22:22 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:21 Shival wrote:On October 21 2012 22:17 m4inbrain wrote:On October 21 2012 22:15 ImNightmare wrote:On October 21 2012 22:14 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:10 Kavas wrote:On October 21 2012 21:59 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 21:51 Kavas wrote:On October 21 2012 21:48 Medrea wrote:
I could totally see myself playing for a team where everything is blamed on me, everything is being recorded, and my managers are completely without fault. You've never been in a work place before have you? Where they monitor your internet usage, phone and probably have camera watching you as well? Also nowhere in Jessica's statement did she blame everything on Crank (assuming that's what you're inferring to). There's plenty of workplaces where they monitor your internet usage as well as surveillance cameras. That's still not the same as an environment where anything you say can and will be used against you should you ever leave. It's a work environment based on intimidation and fear. I don't care where you work, an environment like that won't have workers working there long. Actually, you already are in an environment where everything can be used against you. Whether they will be is another matter; there is no evidence that points Jessica planned to bring this any further if Crank had kept his word. From the text, At that time, Cella told me that Crank had told him he was quitting the game. I asked Crank why he didn't tell me directly, and he said he just really wanted to rest, and that he had no thoughts of joining a foreign team or any other team, and to please just let him go. I had no thoughts of stopping him from leaving, so I agreed to allow him to leave SlayerS.
However, afterward, I heard that he was streaming and looking for a foreign team. When I asked him why he lied to me, saying it was unprofessional of him to do so. He asked in return, if I knew why MMA wanted to leave the team. Crank said it was because of himself, that when he wanted to leave the team because of the stressful team atmosphere, that MMA had said the should leave together. When I asked MMA for confirmation, he said it was not true. . Taeja and Ganzi didn't have any problems, there is no reason to believe that Jessica just loves hounding her players who join foreign team. Well, the fact that when SlayerS was announced to be disbanding, Jessica practically aired out all the dirty laundry. So that pretty much said nothing was off limits with her. And from everything gathered so far, she has no problems dragging anyone and everyone through the mud. Has anyone ever even asked themselves: "Why are players even leaving SlayerS?" Even the ones that left on good terms. This entire year has been a mass exodus of players vacating the team. That sounds incredibly suspicious to me. Jessica may be an excellent business woman, but from everything that has happened so far she's a really poor manager. I really pity MC though. Dude got dragged through the dirty laundries when he wasn't even part of ESF and slayers. Same here. He gets way too much FlaK for his slip-up. He did a mistake, kk. Scold him, done. Then move on. No need to completely deconstruct him because of that (granted, idiotic) comment. That's MC's own fault to be honest. He could've apologized immediately and say that wasn't his intention. However he started bickering about it and returning the accusations on other matters even further back. So its alright for Jessica to bicker and accuse him while he can't retailiate and defend himself? Double standard at its finest right there.
She didn't start to bicker, she accused him of something, with evidence I might add. His choice is then to either apologise and be done with it. Or make it into a giant twitter war. He chose the last.
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On October 21 2012 22:00 Conti wrote:I thought it would be interesting to compare Jessica's original statement to Crank's, so that's just what I did: Jessica's statementCrank's statementI also bolded statements that are important or directly contradict each other. Show nested quote +
- The reason why MMA got demoted was not that. I have explained why he was being bullied and mocked and got him comprehended. That's when Crank and MMA hung around alot after that. Crank visited me and complained that the team atmosphere was so bad, he felt pressured and stressed. That's when I asked BoxeR, who at the time was resting to sort out his shoulder problem, to stay in the team house and look after them.
- However, Crank complained once again that talking to the coach and BoxeR's presence did not make any difference and asked me what I actually did. I felt very sorry to him. My player is complaining and all I did didn't help him..
- Crank told me that because his neck is sore, he needed to rest. This was right before GSTL quarter finals. He said as he finished preparing for his game and he can pratise that only. I asked Cella if it's ok for him to go home and Cella told me that he has got his build order prepared for a map so he may go home.
- That weekend, he texted me requesting to be removed from the entry. Because he seemed so ill, I talked to him on messenger to see if he was ok. He didn't answer so I left a message saying 'Rest well physically and mentally peacefully and see you at the stadium'. He then texted Cella 'what is she doing this to me?' .. I don't know what I did
In refuting the first accusation I want to explain I felt for a while that Jessica, Boxer and coach Cella were not taking proper care of the team, in terms of motivation, practice routines, house atmosphere, etcetera. For many months I requested that we receive better care from the management, and although they always said they would, nothing seemed to change. Boxer came to the house to be with us, but still nothing changed. Instead of providing the support that the team needed, Boxer often sat around and did other things that were not in relation to us. His focus was not on the team, or Starcraft 2.
- That's when Cella told me that he wanted to quit and is not practising at home. He wanted to quit and rest and he has no intention of moving to another team so he begged me to release him from the contract. I had no intention of holding his back and I agreed that he wanted to rest so I let him go.
That's why I asked to go home [bad atmosphere, etc.], and leave the team, because nothing seemed to change for the better. Regarding this, I've talked to Boxer about it privately, and Boxer said, in that conversation, that he admits, and recognises, his fault. I made it a point to tell him that it was not about the money, or about going to a better team, because I did not want any misunderstandings when I left. But Jessica continually would not recognise her own mistakes, and made me out to be the bad guy who abandoned the team to survive on his own.
- But.. I was told by others that he is streaming and looking for a foreign team. So I asked him why he had to lie and what his unprofessional attitutes are for. I asked him if he knew why MMA wanted to leave the team. He answered 'it's because of me - when I told MMA that I want to move to another team because of the team atmosphere, MMA wanted to join me'. I asked MMA whether it was true and he denied.
Once I left the team , and went back home, I realised how alone I was. I had no team, and was only a Code B player with nothing to brag about. On top of that, I was an old, Korean age 24, player living at home. As a man who has already finished his military service, I could not ask my family for much monetary support. It was a humbling challenge for me to be back there. Because of this, I started streaming, but since my career wasn't that great I only made about one hundred and fifty to two hundred thousand wan a month, which is about the equivalent of one hundred and forty to one hundred and eighty five dollars. That is what prompted me to look for a team that could provide me with a good gaming environment so that I could better myself. It was never my intention to search for a team with lots of money.
- Recently, Crank rang me and screamed 'why are you relating me with Ganzi, Alicia and MMA's problem? do you want to ruin my progamer life?' I lost my words. I knew he wasn't happy with me and the team. But I asked 'Do you know where you are yelling at? I have looked after you and cared for you as the team owner and the manager for years'.. but he yelled back saying 'who do you think you are? where are you yelling at?'. Boxer who was right next to me got the phone off me after listening to him, but then he also yelled at BoxeR saying 'what were you doing during all this?' and then claimed that he will only play SC2 for this year and he just wanted to enjoy the game and that's why he left the team. I have this on recording and I will see what he does in the future.
In response to the second accusation, my response is that during my last phone call with Jessica we got into a screaming match. No matter what I said, she refused to listen, saying 'no matter what you say, I will not listen to you, you are a liar who left the team.' I urged her to resolve this matter over the phone, but her mind was made up. I kept on trying to talk with her, but it was in vain. Then Boxer got on the phone. He explained that, according to him, from the perspective of the team and himself, I was the cause of all the internal issues, including the MMA, Ryung and Alicia ones. I questioned this statement. I asked him 'don't you remember all the times I said let's change things and let's work harder, why do you think I am the cause.' After I reminded him of our past conversations, he finally said that he understood where I was coming from, but from the view of the team, that's just the way it had to be. He said 'I recognise that you tried your best to change things, but there's nothing I can do from the perspective of the team. I also accept responsibility that I did wrong too, but it would have been better if you didn't leave the team on such a bad note. After all this, we can set up a separate meeting and reconcile you and Jessica.' I broke down crying due to frustration. It is true that I had very angry emotions that I couldn't hold back any more regarding Jessica, and it is wrong of me that I fought with, and screamed at, an adult. But when I was on the phone with Boxer, I did not yell. I was crying because I felt really wronged by all of this.
Honestly, a lot of this looks like simple misunderstandings spiraling out of control to me. The two accounts of events are really not all that different. Bad timing and both sides not acting perfectly seemed to have led to lots of avoidable drama, guessing from the information provided. Meh. :/
Seems exactly the case, I think both statements are telling the truth of what happened.
Jessica's misunderstood's Crank's motive to stream/look for a foreign team and that's why he left the team.
Crank did a stupid thing to tell Slayers Management that he's not looking for another team and then go home just to do the opposite.
That phone call..is what's interesting to me.
Crank mentions he got emotional,and thus he likely thundered down on boxer during the conversation but not necessarily "yell". However in the views of Jessica, it would likely constitute lying. Yelling is such a subjective word.
THe only person that can resolve Crank's/Jessica's situation and draw the line is Boxer, but there's little chance he'll talk.
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hey TB
do you know Yonsama ? The actor that is pretty much untouchable in S Korea and Japan?
Do you know who went to court with him and won?
its jessica. yeah.. she is damn experienced with this.. just sayin
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On October 21 2012 22:24 Cubu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:18 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:11 Shival wrote:On October 21 2012 22:08 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 22:04 McDrizzle wrote:On October 21 2012 21:46 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
It's no wonder SlayerS collapsed. How can any player play in an environment where every conversation is being recorded, nothing spoken to management is confidential, and there's always a sense of fear if anyone ever spoke up about anything?
While Jessica has all the "evidence," she sounds incredibly manipulative and unable to blame herself for some of the team's failings. What about the players who left on good terms they do not seem to be getting killed right now... Yes, there are some things that should remain private (ie slave contract) but some players choose not to express their opinions. IE Dragon said he wanted to retire from pro-gaming so he left but then joins Millennium a month or two later and Crank well I dont know the full story of it just Jessica's side. The evidence is used when the players or person wants to be a phony and not own up to what they have done, so the better question for you is that will people accused are unable to blame themselves for their parts played? I think the worst part about all this is the announcement of SlayerS disbanding with Jessica airing out all the dirty laundry. Literally a list of people she throws all under the bus. Rather than leave gracefully, it's become a sideshow full of drama and she plays the blame game masterfully with all fingers pointing at everyone but herself. I like TB's quote where he mentions when a team fails "one must look at the top rather than the bottom." You're saying that it should be kept in the dark? For those that use underhanded methods, or lie and insult, to continue their practice unhindered? I think the quote "You reap what you sow" fits quite nicely. As to the TB quote, lets say that Jessica is right for what I'm going to say next. One person cannot simply swim against the current. Regardless of how good a manager is, if enough is being stacked against you, you will fall. What I'm saying is that it's pretty bad business practice to air the laundry right at your company's demise. It makes you look spiteful and unethical. If Jessica had called out ESF and other people who wronged her AT THE TIME they wronged her, she would've been fully justified. Doing it this far down the road makes her look incredibly childish because everything crumbled around her. You can't call it business practice because what she did (reveal the truth) was done after slayers disbanded. And even if calling out other people for their wrongdoings is bad business practice, the other alternative does not look so bright either.
It simply just feels like Jessica's on a sinking ship, and she's making sure she takes everyone down with her. And with the flurry of tweets, blog posts, and responses looking to fight anyone and everyone; spiteful might be too tame a word to describe it.
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