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On October 21 2012 21:46 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
It's no wonder SlayerS collapsed. How can any player play in an environment where every conversation is being recorded, nothing spoken to management is confidential, and there's always a sense of fear if anyone ever spoke up about anything?
While Jessica has all the "evidence," she sounds incredibly manipulative and unable to blame herself for some of the team's failings.
she explained whey this was recorded specifically.
it was a situation where crank was out of slayers and called to resolve things once and for all.
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On October 21 2012 21:49 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 21:25 ImNightmare wrote:
lol, I still find it funny though. First it was ESF disbanded my team, then out comes Crank,mma,ryung (and who else?) disbanded my team. Wtf...its never about her she explained the problems of the team and blamed three reasons from the start 1. manager j (who we still dont know anything about) 2. ESFs practice ban 3. slayers players like crank, mma, alicia and to some extent ryung
Reads more to me like MMA was the main culprit. If we read the translation its like she states MMA was the influencing figure on all of them. Or maybe there is some translation problems midway that cause it to be read that way. korean sentencing can be changed a lot from translation issues especially when its to english.
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On October 21 2012 21:46 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
It's no wonder SlayerS collapsed. How can any player play in an environment where every conversation is being recorded, nothing spoken to management is confidential, and there's always a sense of fear if anyone ever spoke up about anything?
While Jessica has all the "evidence," she sounds incredibly manipulative and unable to blame herself for some of the team's failings.
If nothing else she won't ever run a team in the Esports scene again, that's for sure. Regardless who's fault it was this is not the way to end it.
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On October 21 2012 21:48 Medrea wrote:
I could totally see myself playing for a team where everything is blamed on me, everything is being recorded, and my managers are completely without fault.
You've never been in a work place before have you? Where they monitor your internet usage, phone and probably have camera watching you as well?
Also nowhere in Jessica's statement did she blame everything on Crank (assuming that's what you're inferring to).
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On October 21 2012 21:49 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 21:46 Seraphic wrote:On October 21 2012 21:44 ImNightmare wrote:On October 21 2012 21:42 Thehealbus wrote:
Why does Axiom even need to release a statement?
Defending themselves against Jessica with just crank's word that he did nothing wrong is not going to help the situation in any way, especially with the kind of evidence Jessica is bringing to the table. Because Crank is under Axiom and TB is part of the management? TB did say they have evidence. But the only evidence they have, had to come from CranK himself. That's hardly enough if Jessica personally recorded the conversation. This is complete hearsay. If this is all Axiom will release without evidence then, they will look worse in the public image. Well we will have to wait for the evidence then won't we? I am sure TB is not dumb to say something without first proof checking the evidence. I really really am still spook over how Jessica records everything though..nearly a hour of audio files..good lord
I think it's probably because things in SlayerS have gotten so bad that she recorded to be safe. I don't think she was doing it to spy.
At least I hope that's the case because if she really did always record, that... isn't right.
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On October 21 2012 21:38 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 21:36 TaKemE wrote:On October 21 2012 21:25 ImNightmare wrote:
lol, I still find it funny though. First it was ESF disbanded my team, then out comes Crank,mma,ryung (and who else?) disbanded my team. Wtf...its never about her What are you talking about? The first post/statment from her that started all this is about both ESF, crank, mma and ryung. ESF and MMA yeah, Crank and ryung were dragged in. She said MMA influenced crank so that must be the period when they were already falling apart. Ryung was supposedly allowed to practice at home. Nowhere did it say Crank and Ryung were responsible for the disbandment
you should read the thing
crank influenced mma and ryung were influenced by those both according to jessica.
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On October 21 2012 21:52 Seraphic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 21:49 ImNightmare wrote:On October 21 2012 21:46 Seraphic wrote:On October 21 2012 21:44 ImNightmare wrote:On October 21 2012 21:42 Thehealbus wrote:
Why does Axiom even need to release a statement?
Defending themselves against Jessica with just crank's word that he did nothing wrong is not going to help the situation in any way, especially with the kind of evidence Jessica is bringing to the table. Because Crank is under Axiom and TB is part of the management? TB did say they have evidence. But the only evidence they have, had to come from CranK himself. That's hardly enough if Jessica personally recorded the conversation. This is complete hearsay. If this is all Axiom will release without evidence then, they will look worse in the public image. Well we will have to wait for the evidence then won't we? I am sure TB is not dumb to say something without first proof checking the evidence. I really really am still spook over how Jessica records everything though..nearly a hour of audio files..good lord I think it's probably because things in SlayerS have gotten so bad that she recorded to be safe. I don't think she was doing it to spy. At least I hope that's the case because if she really did always record, that... isn't right.
lol I hope you are right man..fuck I have chicken skin on my arms right now.. urhghghhhhh
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On October 21 2012 21:52 Seraphic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 21:49 ImNightmare wrote:On October 21 2012 21:46 Seraphic wrote:On October 21 2012 21:44 ImNightmare wrote:On October 21 2012 21:42 Thehealbus wrote:
Why does Axiom even need to release a statement?
Defending themselves against Jessica with just crank's word that he did nothing wrong is not going to help the situation in any way, especially with the kind of evidence Jessica is bringing to the table. Because Crank is under Axiom and TB is part of the management? TB did say they have evidence. But the only evidence they have, had to come from CranK himself. That's hardly enough if Jessica personally recorded the conversation. This is complete hearsay. If this is all Axiom will release without evidence then, they will look worse in the public image. Well we will have to wait for the evidence then won't we? I am sure TB is not dumb to say something without first proof checking the evidence. I really really am still spook over how Jessica records everything though..nearly a hour of audio files..good lord I think it's probably because things in SlayerS have gotten so bad that she recorded to be safe. I don't think she was doing it to spy. At least I hope that's the case because if she really did always record, that... isn't right. i know that in some jurisdictions recorded material is not lawful evidence due to the concern of private sphere (for example germany. unless you get prior consent) it is allowed in korean law though unless a third party records it even without prior consent.
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On October 21 2012 21:52 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 21:38 ImNightmare wrote:On October 21 2012 21:36 TaKemE wrote:On October 21 2012 21:25 ImNightmare wrote:
lol, I still find it funny though. First it was ESF disbanded my team, then out comes Crank,mma,ryung (and who else?) disbanded my team. Wtf...its never about her What are you talking about? The first post/statment from her that started all this is about both ESF, crank, mma and ryung. ESF and MMA yeah, Crank and ryung were dragged in. She said MMA influenced crank so that must be the period when they were already falling apart. Ryung was supposedly allowed to practice at home. Nowhere did it say Crank and Ryung were responsible for the disbandment you should read the thing crank influenced mma and ryung were influenced by those both according to jessica.
Afterward, he started to hang out with Crank often. I don't know what kinds of conversations they had, but Crank began to say that the atmosphere was giving him stress.
Looks more like a Crank was influenced by MMA thing to me.
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You guys seem to be forgetting that Slayers was considered the happiest / most pleasant team to be in (despite their stricter practice schedules) for a very long time. It's not like their management suddenly changed or something, so...
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On October 21 2012 21:46 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
It's no wonder SlayerS collapsed. How can any player play in an environment where every conversation is being recorded, nothing spoken to management is confidential, and there's always a sense of fear if anyone ever spoke up about anything?
While Jessica has all the "evidence," she sounds incredibly manipulative and unable to blame herself for some of the team's failings.
i dnt think every conversation was recorded.. i think this is fucking smart in a business sense that she actually recorded the call.
while in managing a team there needs to be a mutual trust, but to jessica this may have been broken, therefore recording a call which may end up being evidence. look at esf, startale manager, alicia etc etc where they just got smacked on with all the evidence that jesscia was able to save, if she was a shitty manager, she would have not recorded those evidence she would still have shitty reputation as drama queen without nothing to back up
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On October 21 2012 21:23 Shival wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I am deeply disappointed in the statement released by TotalBisquit/Axiom/Crank. First of all it's solely an audio recording, even though he's reading it verbatim. Thus a written account must exist. Why is that written account not released to the public, as that's how one should release statements in this situation. While I do applaud your effort for releasing audio, solely it's just not enough.
Secondly, it's solely based on Crank's words. No so called chatlogs or evidence has been released by TotalBisquit which he did allude to earlier. This entire statement is a farce and not nearly enough to dispell any accusations.
Because it's an audio statement it will take me a while to transcript parts of it to respond to, but I'll try to make an effort to show where I feel it's insufficient or simply a faulty thought process.
Transcript and thoughts below:
Transcript "Firstly the accusation that I lied to the team about wanting to join a foreign team for money"
Transcript "In refuting the first accusation I want to explain I felt for a while that Jessica, Boxer and coach Cella were not taking proper care of the team, in terms of motivation, practice routines, house atmosphere, etcetera. For many months I requested that we receive better care from the management, and although they always said they would, nothing seemed to change. Boxer came to the house to be with us, but still nothing changed. Instead of providing the support that the team needed, Boxer often sat around and did other things that were not in relation to us. His focus was not on the team, or Starcraft 2. That's why I asked to go home, and leave the team, because nothing seemed to change for the better. Regarding this, I've talked to Boxer about it privately, and Boxer said, in that conversation, that he admits, and recognises, his fault. I made it a point to tell him that it was not about the money, or about going to a better team, because I did not want any misunderstandings when I left."
Comment Ok, so first of all let me say that "etcetera" doesn't add anything to this statement. Either leave it out, or say what is included in the etcetera, there's no way for us to know what is included or isn't.
Secondly, he asks for better care from the management and accuses Boxer not taking care enough of them. Now, I sincerely doubt the accusation because Boxer spend lots of his personal savings into the team. I think it's quite a statement to make to someone that spends the kind of money as he did on keeping the team afloat and not taking care of you. Maybe he didn't take personal care for you as much as you would've liked, he sure as hell showed it in the money spend. Because of the money spend the living standards that you enjoyed, far outweighed the other Korean teams.
But to come to my point I'm trying to make, as to why Crank used faulty logic. He states it wasn't about joining a better team, while going home, and without a team, sure as hell doesn't make your job as a progamer any easier. So either he was looking to quit (Which is unlikely because as he said he leaves because nothing changed for the better, nothing on his motivation), or he DID want to join a better team.
Transcript "But Jessica continually would not recognise her own mistakes, and made me out to be the bad guy who abandoned the team to survive on his own."
Comment Err, she made you out to be the bad guy because you LIED about it, not because you left the team.
Transcript Once I left the team , and went back home, I realised how alone I was. I had no team, and was only a Code B player with nothing to brag about. On top of that, I was an old, Korean age 24, player living at home. As a man who has already finished his military service, I could not ask my family for much monetary support. It was a humbling challenge for me to be back there. Because of this, I started streaming, but since my career wasn't that great I only made about one hundred and fifty to two hundred thousand wan a month, which is about the equivalent of one hundred and forty to one hundred and eighty five dollars. That is what prompted me to look for a team that could provide me with a good gaming environment so that I could better myself. It was never my intention to search for a team with lots of money."
Comment Oh, come on. You must seriously have had a hit to the head to not see that situation before leaving Slayers. Either way, let's say he actually was that ignorant, it also shows that he had no gratitude to the support that Slayers has given him during his stay. They supported his (nearly) every need, be it a room, food, water, pc, transport, etc. He just admitted to noticing it AFTER leaving the team, or his statement is a lie.
And I'm afraid that's even without really trying to find faults in the statement, or comparing it to previous statements on leaving Slayers by Crank. I'd probably be able to find more glaring differences if I did compare. Either way, I'm disappointed in Crank and TotalBisquit to leave it at a statement without any evidence. Where are the chatlogs and such you alluded to?
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On October 21 2012 21:54 Salazarz wrote:
You guys seem to be forgetting that Slayers was considered the happiest / most pleasant team to be in (despite their stricter practice schedules) for a very long time. It's not like their management suddenly changed or something, so...
Its not hard to do a facade.. look at north korea.
Edit: okay this is a low blow, but I am just saying judging things superficially is never good
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On October 21 2012 21:54 Salazarz wrote:
You guys seem to be forgetting that Slayers was considered the happiest / most pleasant team to be in (despite their stricter practice schedules) for a very long time. It's not like their management suddenly changed or something, so...
yes the sudden turn coincidents with the start of the unofficial practice ban (which was somewhere before MC switched to SK)
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On October 21 2012 21:51 Kavas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 21:48 Medrea wrote:
I could totally see myself playing for a team where everything is blamed on me, everything is being recorded, and my managers are completely without fault. You've never been in a work place before have you? Where they monitor your internet usage, phone and probably have camera watching you as well? Also nowhere in Jessica's statement did she blame everything on Crank (assuming that's what you're inferring to).
There's plenty of workplaces where they monitor your internet usage as well as surveillance cameras. That's still not the same as an environment where anything you say can and will be used against you should you ever leave. It's a work environment based on intimidation and fear. I don't care where you work, an environment like that won't have workers working there long.
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On October 21 2012 21:58 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 21:54 Salazarz wrote:
You guys seem to be forgetting that Slayers was considered the happiest / most pleasant team to be in (despite their stricter practice schedules) for a very long time. It's not like their management suddenly changed or something, so... yes the sudden turn coincidents with the start of the unofficial practice ban (which was somewhere before MC switched to SK)
Hey... Did you just blame MC??? is the the cause of all this???
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More interesting than SC2 XD
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On October 21 2012 21:56 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 21:54 Salazarz wrote:
You guys seem to be forgetting that Slayers was considered the happiest / most pleasant team to be in (despite their stricter practice schedules) for a very long time. It's not like their management suddenly changed or something, so... Its not hard to do a facade.. look at north korea. Edit: okay this is a low blow, but I am just saying judging things superficially is never good
pretty sure nobody not even north koreans has thought the conditions were good there in the last 40 years
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It looks like it is Jessica vs. THE WORLD. And the whole world looks to be evil...
Sorry i don't believe that.
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On October 21 2012 21:59 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 21:56 ImNightmare wrote:On October 21 2012 21:54 Salazarz wrote:
You guys seem to be forgetting that Slayers was considered the happiest / most pleasant team to be in (despite their stricter practice schedules) for a very long time. It's not like their management suddenly changed or something, so... Its not hard to do a facade.. look at north korea. Edit: okay this is a low blow, but I am just saying judging things superficially is never good pretty sure nobody not even north koreans has thought the conditions were good there in the last 40 years
Not talking about inner thoughts, they can make themselves look happy even if conditions are shit that's what I am saying. Anyone knows what happened to eve?
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