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On October 21 2012 21:56 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 21:54 Salazarz wrote:
You guys seem to be forgetting that Slayers was considered the happiest / most pleasant team to be in (despite their stricter practice schedules) for a very long time. It's not like their management suddenly changed or something, so... Its not hard to do a facade.. look at north korea. Edit: okay this is a low blow, but I am just saying judging things superficially is never good
are you trolling? happiest and most pleasant is one thing
but it is not questionable that they are the most succesful team in 2011 with multiple championships on individual and team leagues (except maybe IM) and they went to shits in 2012.
there was no big management change and outside of the ESF practice ban there is no real evidence that they changed anything.
and north korea? are they looking happy to you? really?
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I thought it would be interesting to compare Jessica's original statement to Crank's, so that's just what I did:
Jessica's statement
Crank's statement
I also bolded statements that are important or directly contradict each other.
- The reason why MMA got demoted was not that. I have explained why he was being bullied and mocked and got him comprehended. That's when Crank and MMA hung around alot after that. Crank visited me and complained that the team atmosphere was so bad, he felt pressured and stressed. That's when I asked BoxeR, who at the time was resting to sort out his shoulder problem, to stay in the team house and look after them.
- However, Crank complained once again that talking to the coach and BoxeR's presence did not make any difference and asked me what I actually did. I felt very sorry to him. My player is complaining and all I did didn't help him..
- Crank told me that because his neck is sore, he needed to rest. This was right before GSTL quarter finals. He said as he finished preparing for his game and he can pratise that only. I asked Cella if it's ok for him to go home and Cella told me that he has got his build order prepared for a map so he may go home.
- That weekend, he texted me requesting to be removed from the entry. Because he seemed so ill, I talked to him on messenger to see if he was ok. He didn't answer so I left a message saying 'Rest well physically and mentally peacefully and see you at the stadium'. He then texted Cella 'what is she doing this to me?' .. I don't know what I did
In refuting the first accusation I want to explain I felt for a while that Jessica, Boxer and coach Cella were not taking proper care of the team, in terms of motivation, practice routines, house atmosphere, etcetera. For many months I requested that we receive better care from the management, and although they always said they would, nothing seemed to change. Boxer came to the house to be with us, but still nothing changed. Instead of providing the support that the team needed, Boxer often sat around and did other things that were not in relation to us. His focus was not on the team, or Starcraft 2.
- That's when Cella told me that he wanted to quit and is not practising at home. He wanted to quit and rest and he has no intention of moving to another team so he begged me to release him from the contract. I had no intention of holding his back and I agreed that he wanted to rest so I let him go.
That's why I asked to go home [bad atmosphere, etc.], and leave the team, because nothing seemed to change for the better. Regarding this, I've talked to Boxer about it privately, and Boxer said, in that conversation, that he admits, and recognises, his fault. I made it a point to tell him that it was not about the money, or about going to a better team, because I did not want any misunderstandings when I left. But Jessica continually would not recognise her own mistakes, and made me out to be the bad guy who abandoned the team to survive on his own.
- But.. I was told by others that he is streaming and looking for a foreign team. So I asked him why he had to lie and what his unprofessional attitutes are for. I asked him if he knew why MMA wanted to leave the team. He answered 'it's because of me - when I told MMA that I want to move to another team because of the team atmosphere, MMA wanted to join me'. I asked MMA whether it was true and he denied.
Once I left the team , and went back home, I realised how alone I was. I had no team, and was only a Code B player with nothing to brag about. On top of that, I was an old, Korean age 24, player living at home. As a man who has already finished his military service, I could not ask my family for much monetary support. It was a humbling challenge for me to be back there. Because of this, I started streaming, but since my career wasn't that great I only made about one hundred and fifty to two hundred thousand wan a month, which is about the equivalent of one hundred and forty to one hundred and eighty five dollars. That is what prompted me to look for a team that could provide me with a good gaming environment so that I could better myself. It was never my intention to search for a team with lots of money.
- Recently, Crank rang me and screamed 'why are you relating me with Ganzi, Alicia and MMA's problem? do you want to ruin my progamer life?' I lost my words. I knew he wasn't happy with me and the team. But I asked 'Do you know where you are yelling at? I have looked after you and cared for you as the team owner and the manager for years'.. but he yelled back saying 'who do you think you are? where are you yelling at?'. Boxer who was right next to me got the phone off me after listening to him, but then he also yelled at BoxeR saying 'what were you doing during all this?' and then claimed that he will only play SC2 for this year and he just wanted to enjoy the game and that's why he left the team. I have this on recording and I will see what he does in the future.
In response to the second accusation, my response is that during my last phone call with Jessica we got into a screaming match. No matter what I said, she refused to listen, saying 'no matter what you say, I will not listen to you, you are a liar who left the team.' I urged her to resolve this matter over the phone, but her mind was made up. I kept on trying to talk with her, but it was in vain. Then Boxer got on the phone. He explained that, according to him, from the perspective of the team and himself, I was the cause of all the internal issues, including the MMA, Ryung and Alicia ones. I questioned this statement. I asked him 'don't you remember all the times I said let's change things and let's work harder, why do you think I am the cause.' After I reminded him of our past conversations, he finally said that he understood where I was coming from, but from the view of the team, that's just the way it had to be. He said 'I recognise that you tried your best to change things, but there's nothing I can do from the perspective of the team. I also accept responsibility that I did wrong too, but it would have been better if you didn't leave the team on such a bad note. After all this, we can set up a separate meeting and reconcile you and Jessica.' I broke down crying due to frustration. It is true that I had very angry emotions that I couldn't hold back any more regarding Jessica, and it is wrong of me that I fought with, and screamed at, an adult. But when I was on the phone with Boxer, I did not yell. I was crying because I felt really wronged by all of this.
Honestly, a lot of this looks like simple misunderstandings spiraling out of control to me. The two accounts of events are really not all that different. Bad timing and both sides not acting perfectly seemed to have led to lots of avoidable drama, guessing from the information provided. Meh. :/
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On October 21 2012 22:00 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 21:56 ImNightmare wrote:On October 21 2012 21:54 Salazarz wrote:
You guys seem to be forgetting that Slayers was considered the happiest / most pleasant team to be in (despite their stricter practice schedules) for a very long time. It's not like their management suddenly changed or something, so... Its not hard to do a facade.. look at north korea. Edit: okay this is a low blow, but I am just saying judging things superficially is never good are you trolling? happiest and most pleasant is one thing but it is not questionable that they are the most succesful team in 2011 with multiple championships on individual and team leagues (except maybe IM) and they went to shits in 2012. there was no big management change and outside of the ESF practice ban there is no real evidence that they changed anything. and north korea? are they looking happy to you? really?
Why would I risk my account getting banned by trolling.
read my reply, I said, they can ACT happy, but that doesn't mean they really are. No one, not even MMA who you seem to think is a villan can turn evil over night.
Edit: you need to chill out, we know you are on Jessica's side, but you don't have to take everything personally.
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I simply refuse to believe that it's everybody else's fault but Jessica's.
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On October 21 2012 21:59 P_Golden wrote:
It looks like it is Jessica vs. THE WORLD. And the whole world looks to be evil...
Sorry i don't believe that.
no its three reasons she named
1. jessica vs. esf
the accusations she made proved to be correct
2. jessica vs. manager j
we dont know anything
3. jessica vs. mma, crank and alicia
alicias interview is proven to be false
cranks allegations are vague and dont show a good picture even if they were true
we havent heard from mma yet
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The slayers demise needs scapegoats. If ESF was the catalyst, and while Crank/MMA/RYUNG were the results, something happened in the middle.
Crank is trying to prove he was the result of bad management, Jessica is trying to prove he was one of the reasons.
This is to distance any mistakes Boxer may have made and maintain an unblemished record and put the entire blame on a few figures that were minor catalysts and moreso the results than anything else.
It seems to me Jessica plans to completely pass the buck to a bunch of players who played a minor role in the whole affair because when things go wrong, everyone needs to blame someone besides themselves.
They are all guilty , but in my opinion the management should have known better and passing the blame game to a bunch of players who at one stage were proud to be part of team Slayers is pretty saddening.
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On October 21 2012 21:46 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
It's no wonder SlayerS collapsed. How can any player play in an environment where every conversation is being recorded, nothing spoken to management is confidential, and there's always a sense of fear if anyone ever spoke up about anything?
While Jessica has all the "evidence," she sounds incredibly manipulative and unable to blame herself for some of the team's failings.
What about the players who left on good terms they do not seem to be getting killed right now... Yes, there are some things that should remain private (ie slave contract) but some players choose not to express their opinions. IE Dragon said he wanted to retire from pro-gaming so he left but then joins Millennium a month or two later and Crank well I dont know the full story of it just Jessica's side. The evidence is used when the players or person wants to be a phony and not own up to what they have done, so the better question for you is that will people accused are unable to blame themselves for their parts played?
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TB and Crank about to get an ass whooping from Jessica...
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On October 21 2012 22:04 McDrizzle wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 21:46 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
It's no wonder SlayerS collapsed. How can any player play in an environment where every conversation is being recorded, nothing spoken to management is confidential, and there's always a sense of fear if anyone ever spoke up about anything?
While Jessica has all the "evidence," she sounds incredibly manipulative and unable to blame herself for some of the team's failings. What about the players who left on good terms they do not seem to be getting killed right now... Yes, there are some things that should remain private (ie slave contract) but some players choose not to express their opinions. IE Dragon said he wanted to retire from pro-gaming so he left but then joins Millennium a month or two later and Crank well I dont know the full story of it just Jessica's side. The evidence is used when the players or person wants to be a phony and not own up to what they have done, so the better question for you is that will people accused are unable to blame themselves for their parts played?
I think the worst part about all this is the announcement of SlayerS disbanding with Jessica airing out all the dirty laundry. Literally a list of people she throws all under the bus. Rather than leave gracefully, it's become a sideshow full of drama and she plays the blame game masterfully with all fingers pointing at everyone but herself.
I like TB's quote where he mentions when a team fails "one must look at the top rather than the bottom."
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On October 21 2012 22:02 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:00 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 21:56 ImNightmare wrote:On October 21 2012 21:54 Salazarz wrote:
You guys seem to be forgetting that Slayers was considered the happiest / most pleasant team to be in (despite their stricter practice schedules) for a very long time. It's not like their management suddenly changed or something, so... Its not hard to do a facade.. look at north korea. Edit: okay this is a low blow, but I am just saying judging things superficially is never good are you trolling? happiest and most pleasant is one thing but it is not questionable that they are the most succesful team in 2011 with multiple championships on individual and team leagues (except maybe IM) and they went to shits in 2012. there was no big management change and outside of the ESF practice ban there is no real evidence that they changed anything. and north korea? are they looking happy to you? really? Why would I risk my account getting banned by trolling. read my reply, I said, they can ACT happy, but that doesn't mean they really are. No one, not even MMA who you seem to think is a villan can turn evil over night.
hey happiness is a personal feeling so i will not go into this in further detail. however it is true that in GSL 2012 season 1 they had 6 code s players (which crank was not part of btw. he was never successful under slayers.. just sayin) and came off from MMA being the last champion of 2012.
from there on they had a very hard year but you cannot say their results were bad either.
so this means for me that they had a great practice system and great environment set up which worked well in 2011. then the ESF teams banned them unofficially somewhere in the last quarter of 2011. due to the fact that they were isolated from the toplevel metagame their results began to dwindle and their motivation sank. and thats where players like alicia, mma, crank openly began to question the management. gsl season 2 began in march so from march to july (thats when crank was thrown out) its only 3 to 5 months were crank was really asking for adjustments.
even in big companies changing anything requires a lot of steps and takes a lot of time. 3 to 5 months is not enough time(since they had to do their normal practice etc as well) sothe accusation of crank that boxer and jessica did not change the team quick enough seems to be way to harsh imho
i really hope that axiom will be as successful and make MMA two time GSL champion and make the team two time GSTL champion and also survive a practice ban like that.. but somehow I doubt they will be able to (especially the latter part).
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Disappointed by the statement of Axiom. I actually hoped that TB could back up his fiery words he spoke here, lets just hope the other stuff (iirc, they spoke with korean media?) is a bit more "on the case". This statement sounds more like a advertisement of Axiom to me, than anything else. And well, "evidence" seems to be a word with no meaning anymore. Maybe i just missed it though.
Looking forward to the korean media, hope that not all of TBs promises were empty ones.
I just wish Boxer would make a statement, regardless of his connection with Jessica and heritage, to just put this crap to an end. But i guess it just won't be that easy. :/
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Jessica seems to be throwing all her toys out the pram over this, Something is seriously wrong if slayers/Jessica is constantly changing the story of who is to blame. and to the people complaining at Axioms responce the fact that they stated at the begining of the recording that they are out of the office. Hopefully they will give a better responce when Genna and TB are back from the event that they are at in vegas. I just hope this all goes a way soon and we can just get back to whats the most important thing. the players finding a place to practice with teams and move on to better things.
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On October 21 2012 21:59 DrakeFZX3 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 21:51 Kavas wrote:On October 21 2012 21:48 Medrea wrote:
I could totally see myself playing for a team where everything is blamed on me, everything is being recorded, and my managers are completely without fault. You've never been in a work place before have you? Where they monitor your internet usage, phone and probably have camera watching you as well? Also nowhere in Jessica's statement did she blame everything on Crank (assuming that's what you're inferring to). There's plenty of workplaces where they monitor your internet usage as well as surveillance cameras. That's still not the same as an environment where anything you say can and will be used against you should you ever leave. It's a work environment based on intimidation and fear. I don't care where you work, an environment like that won't have workers working there long.
Actually, you already are in an environment where everything can be used against you. Whether they will be is another matter; there is no evidence that points Jessica planned to bring this any further if Crank had kept his word. From the text, At that time, Cella told me that Crank had told him he was quitting the game. I asked Crank why he didn't tell me directly, and he said he just really wanted to rest, and that he had no thoughts of joining a foreign team or any other team, and to please just let him go. I had no thoughts of stopping him from leaving, so I agreed to allow him to leave SlayerS.
However, afterward, I heard that he was streaming and looking for a foreign team. When I asked him why he lied to me, saying it was unprofessional of him to do so. He asked in return, if I knew why MMA wanted to leave the team. Crank said it was because of himself, that when he wanted to leave the team because of the stressful team atmosphere, that MMA had said the should leave together. When I asked MMA for confirmation, he said it was not true. . Taeja and Ganzi didn't have any problems, there is no reason to believe that Jessica just loves hounding her players who join foreign team.
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On October 21 2012 22:08 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:02 ImNightmare wrote:On October 21 2012 22:00 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 21:56 ImNightmare wrote:On October 21 2012 21:54 Salazarz wrote:
You guys seem to be forgetting that Slayers was considered the happiest / most pleasant team to be in (despite their stricter practice schedules) for a very long time. It's not like their management suddenly changed or something, so... Its not hard to do a facade.. look at north korea. Edit: okay this is a low blow, but I am just saying judging things superficially is never good are you trolling? happiest and most pleasant is one thing but it is not questionable that they are the most succesful team in 2011 with multiple championships on individual and team leagues (except maybe IM) and they went to shits in 2012. there was no big management change and outside of the ESF practice ban there is no real evidence that they changed anything. and north korea? are they looking happy to you? really? Why would I risk my account getting banned by trolling. read my reply, I said, they can ACT happy, but that doesn't mean they really are. No one, not even MMA who you seem to think is a villan can turn evil over night. hey happiness is a personal feeling so i will not go into this in further detail. however it is true that in GSL 2012 season 1 they had 6 code s players (which crank was not part of btw. he was never successful under slayers.. just sayin) and came off from MMA being the last champion of 2012. from there on they had a very hard year but you cannot say their results were bad either. so this means for me that they had a great practice system and great environment set up which worked well in 2011. then the ESF teams banned them unofficially somewhere in the last quarter of 2011. due to the fact that they were isolated from the toplevel metagame their results began to dwindle and their motivation sank. and thats where players like alicia, mma, crank openly began to question the management. gsl season 2 began in march so from march to july (thats when crank was thrown out) its only 3 to 5 months were crank was really asking for adjustments. even in big companies changing anything requires a lot of steps and takes a lot of time. 3 to 5 months is not enough time(since they had to do their normal practice etc as well) sothe accusation of crank that boxer and jessica did not change the team quick enough seems to be way to harsh imho i really hope that axiom will be as successful and make MMA two time GSL champion and make the team two time GSTL champion and also survive a practice ban like that.. but somehow I doubt they will be able to (especially the latter part).
Wait wait, MMA is under Axiom? When did that happen? Good lord, there was no mention on reddit.
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On October 21 2012 22:03 kanchome wrote:
The slayers demise needs scapegoats. If ESF was the catalyst, and while Crank/MMA/RYUNG were the results, something happened in the middle.
Crank is trying to prove he was the result of bad management, Jessica is trying to prove he was one of the reasons.
This is to distance any mistakes Boxer may have made and maintain an unblemished record and put the entire blame on a few figures that were minor catalysts and moreso the results than anything else.
It seems to me Jessica plans to completely pass the buck to a bunch of players who played a minor role in the whole affair because when things go wrong, everyone needs to blame someone besides themselves.
They are all guilty , but in my opinion the management should have known better and passing the blame game to a bunch of players who at one stage were proud to be part of team Slayers is pretty saddening.
even if the slayers management (boxer, jessica and cella) had to do better they were thrown in a difficult situation which no other team,except maybe tsl, faced.
they had a practice ban going on, players were having bad results and they had some of their top players revolting.
i dont know how the TSL coach did it (I meant he situation is pretty similar, even if the scale was probably a bit smaller) but his team is looking better now then back when trickster and FD left.
but thats the exception not the norm.
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On October 21 2012 22:08 DrakeFZX3 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:04 McDrizzle wrote:On October 21 2012 21:46 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
It's no wonder SlayerS collapsed. How can any player play in an environment where every conversation is being recorded, nothing spoken to management is confidential, and there's always a sense of fear if anyone ever spoke up about anything?
While Jessica has all the "evidence," she sounds incredibly manipulative and unable to blame herself for some of the team's failings. What about the players who left on good terms they do not seem to be getting killed right now... Yes, there are some things that should remain private (ie slave contract) but some players choose not to express their opinions. IE Dragon said he wanted to retire from pro-gaming so he left but then joins Millennium a month or two later and Crank well I dont know the full story of it just Jessica's side. The evidence is used when the players or person wants to be a phony and not own up to what they have done, so the better question for you is that will people accused are unable to blame themselves for their parts played? I think the worst part about all this is the announcement of SlayerS disbanding with Jessica airing out all the dirty laundry. Literally a list of people she throws all under the bus. Rather than leave gracefully, it's become a sideshow full of drama and she plays the blame game masterfully with all fingers pointing at everyone but herself. I like TB's quote where he mentions when a team fails "one must look at the top rather than the bottom."
You're saying that it should be kept in the dark? For those that use underhanded methods, or lie and insult, to continue their practice unhindered? I think the quote "You reap what you sow" fits quite nicely.
As to the TB quote, lets say that Jessica is right for what I'm going to say next. One person cannot simply swim against the current. Regardless of how good a manager is, if enough is being stacked against you, you will fall.
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On October 21 2012 22:11 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:08 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 22:02 ImNightmare wrote:On October 21 2012 22:00 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 21:56 ImNightmare wrote:On October 21 2012 21:54 Salazarz wrote:
You guys seem to be forgetting that Slayers was considered the happiest / most pleasant team to be in (despite their stricter practice schedules) for a very long time. It's not like their management suddenly changed or something, so... Its not hard to do a facade.. look at north korea. Edit: okay this is a low blow, but I am just saying judging things superficially is never good are you trolling? happiest and most pleasant is one thing but it is not questionable that they are the most succesful team in 2011 with multiple championships on individual and team leagues (except maybe IM) and they went to shits in 2012. there was no big management change and outside of the ESF practice ban there is no real evidence that they changed anything. and north korea? are they looking happy to you? really? Why would I risk my account getting banned by trolling. read my reply, I said, they can ACT happy, but that doesn't mean they really are. No one, not even MMA who you seem to think is a villan can turn evil over night. hey happiness is a personal feeling so i will not go into this in further detail. however it is true that in GSL 2012 season 1 they had 6 code s players (which crank was not part of btw. he was never successful under slayers.. just sayin) and came off from MMA being the last champion of 2012. from there on they had a very hard year but you cannot say their results were bad either. so this means for me that they had a great practice system and great environment set up which worked well in 2011. then the ESF teams banned them unofficially somewhere in the last quarter of 2011. due to the fact that they were isolated from the toplevel metagame their results began to dwindle and their motivation sank. and thats where players like alicia, mma, crank openly began to question the management. gsl season 2 began in march so from march to july (thats when crank was thrown out) its only 3 to 5 months were crank was really asking for adjustments. even in big companies changing anything requires a lot of steps and takes a lot of time. 3 to 5 months is not enough time(since they had to do their normal practice etc as well) sothe accusation of crank that boxer and jessica did not change the team quick enough seems to be way to harsh imho i really hope that axiom will be as successful and make MMA two time GSL champion and make the team two time GSTL champion and also survive a practice ban like that.. but somehow I doubt they will be able to (especially the latter part). Wait wait, MMA is under Axiom? Good lord, there was no mention on reddit.
he is not. my bad
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On October 21 2012 22:12 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:11 ImNightmare wrote:On October 21 2012 22:08 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 22:02 ImNightmare wrote:On October 21 2012 22:00 farnham wrote:On October 21 2012 21:56 ImNightmare wrote:On October 21 2012 21:54 Salazarz wrote:
You guys seem to be forgetting that Slayers was considered the happiest / most pleasant team to be in (despite their stricter practice schedules) for a very long time. It's not like their management suddenly changed or something, so... Its not hard to do a facade.. look at north korea. Edit: okay this is a low blow, but I am just saying judging things superficially is never good are you trolling? happiest and most pleasant is one thing but it is not questionable that they are the most succesful team in 2011 with multiple championships on individual and team leagues (except maybe IM) and they went to shits in 2012. there was no big management change and outside of the ESF practice ban there is no real evidence that they changed anything. and north korea? are they looking happy to you? really? Why would I risk my account getting banned by trolling. read my reply, I said, they can ACT happy, but that doesn't mean they really are. No one, not even MMA who you seem to think is a villan can turn evil over night. hey happiness is a personal feeling so i will not go into this in further detail. however it is true that in GSL 2012 season 1 they had 6 code s players (which crank was not part of btw. he was never successful under slayers.. just sayin) and came off from MMA being the last champion of 2012. from there on they had a very hard year but you cannot say their results were bad either. so this means for me that they had a great practice system and great environment set up which worked well in 2011. then the ESF teams banned them unofficially somewhere in the last quarter of 2011. due to the fact that they were isolated from the toplevel metagame their results began to dwindle and their motivation sank. and thats where players like alicia, mma, crank openly began to question the management. gsl season 2 began in march so from march to july (thats when crank was thrown out) its only 3 to 5 months were crank was really asking for adjustments. even in big companies changing anything requires a lot of steps and takes a lot of time. 3 to 5 months is not enough time(since they had to do their normal practice etc as well) sothe accusation of crank that boxer and jessica did not change the team quick enough seems to be way to harsh imho i really hope that axiom will be as successful and make MMA two time GSL champion and make the team two time GSTL champion and also survive a practice ban like that.. but somehow I doubt they will be able to (especially the latter part). Wait wait, MMA is under Axiom? Good lord, there was no mention on reddit. he is not. my bad
Fucking scared me for a moment..I thought reddit disappointed me
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On October 21 2012 22:08 DrakeFZX3 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 22:04 McDrizzle wrote:On October 21 2012 21:46 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
It's no wonder SlayerS collapsed. How can any player play in an environment where every conversation is being recorded, nothing spoken to management is confidential, and there's always a sense of fear if anyone ever spoke up about anything?
While Jessica has all the "evidence," she sounds incredibly manipulative and unable to blame herself for some of the team's failings. What about the players who left on good terms they do not seem to be getting killed right now... Yes, there are some things that should remain private (ie slave contract) but some players choose not to express their opinions. IE Dragon said he wanted to retire from pro-gaming so he left but then joins Millennium a month or two later and Crank well I dont know the full story of it just Jessica's side. The evidence is used when the players or person wants to be a phony and not own up to what they have done, so the better question for you is that will people accused are unable to blame themselves for their parts played? I think the worst part about all this is the announcement of SlayerS disbanding with Jessica airing out all the dirty laundry. Literally a list of people she throws all under the bus. Rather than leave gracefully, it's become a sideshow full of drama and she plays the blame game masterfully with all fingers pointing at everyone but herself. I like TB's quote where he mentions when a team fails "one must look at the top rather than the bottom."
cool, if i were TB and knew that Crank is a big reason Slayers failed , i would say exactly the same. Just go down with all the evidences.
/hypothetically speaking
If Jessica wouldn't have said anything, everybody would blame her and Boxer for the downfall of Slayers. Why should she do that, if they aren't the (main?) reason??
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On October 21 2012 22:10 Kavas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 21:59 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 21 2012 21:51 Kavas wrote:On October 21 2012 21:48 Medrea wrote:
I could totally see myself playing for a team where everything is blamed on me, everything is being recorded, and my managers are completely without fault. You've never been in a work place before have you? Where they monitor your internet usage, phone and probably have camera watching you as well? Also nowhere in Jessica's statement did she blame everything on Crank (assuming that's what you're inferring to). There's plenty of workplaces where they monitor your internet usage as well as surveillance cameras. That's still not the same as an environment where anything you say can and will be used against you should you ever leave. It's a work environment based on intimidation and fear. I don't care where you work, an environment like that won't have workers working there long. Actually, you already are in an environment where everything can be used against you. Whether they will be is another matter; there is no evidence that points Jessica planned to bring this any further if Crank had kept his word. From the text, Show nested quote +At that time, Cella told me that Crank had told him he was quitting the game. I asked Crank why he didn't tell me directly, and he said he just really wanted to rest, and that he had no thoughts of joining a foreign team or any other team, and to please just let him go. I had no thoughts of stopping him from leaving, so I agreed to allow him to leave SlayerS.
However, afterward, I heard that he was streaming and looking for a foreign team. When I asked him why he lied to me, saying it was unprofessional of him to do so. He asked in return, if I knew why MMA wanted to leave the team. Crank said it was because of himself, that when he wanted to leave the team because of the stressful team atmosphere, that MMA had said the should leave together. When I asked MMA for confirmation, he said it was not true. . Taeja and Ganzi didn't have any problems, there is no reason to believe that Jessica just loves hounding her players who join foreign team.
Well, the fact that when SlayerS was announced to be disbanding, Jessica practically aired out all the dirty laundry. So that pretty much said nothing was off limits with her. And from everything gathered so far, she has no problems dragging anyone and everyone through the mud.
Has anyone ever even asked themselves: "Why are players even leaving SlayerS?" Even the ones that left on good terms. This entire year has been a mass exodus of players vacating the team. That sounds incredibly suspicious to me.
Jessica may be an excellent business woman, but from everything that has happened so far she's a really poor manager.
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