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Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
October 21 2012 12:30 GMT
#3501
On October 21 2012 21:24 Integra wrote:
If all Jessica threatened with was the recording then you won't hear anything from Crank since he said he had no problem with Jessica releasing it. so it sounds like empty threats from Jessica's side.


I don't think it's an empty threat. If Jessica is getting the entire e-sports involved to prove she is right and CranK/TB isn't saying everything. I don't think the Korean community will ever, EVER treat CranK with any respect. This has already gone WAY too far and it probably won't stop until someone from some side just steps in and halts it.

The fact that TB stopped posting here to defend himself more is kind of a clue.
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Weirdkid
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Singapore2431 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-21 12:31:36
October 21 2012 12:31 GMT
#3502
On October 21 2012 21:30 Seraphic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 21:24 Integra wrote:
If all Jessica threatened with was the recording then you won't hear anything from Crank since he said he had no problem with Jessica releasing it. so it sounds like empty threats from Jessica's side.


I don't think it's an empty threat. If Jessica is getting the entire e-sports involved to prove she is right and CranK/TB isn't saying everything. I don't think the Korean community will ever, EVER treat CranK with any respect. This has already gone WAY too far and it probably won't stop until someone from some side just steps in and halts it.

The fact that TB stopped posting here to defend himself more is kind of a clue.


Here's to hoping that someone from some side is Boxer
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself." - Proverbs 26:4
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
October 21 2012 12:33 GMT
#3503
On October 21 2012 21:31 Weirdkid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 21:30 Seraphic wrote:
On October 21 2012 21:24 Integra wrote:
If all Jessica threatened with was the recording then you won't hear anything from Crank since he said he had no problem with Jessica releasing it. so it sounds like empty threats from Jessica's side.


I don't think it's an empty threat. If Jessica is getting the entire e-sports involved to prove she is right and CranK/TB isn't saying everything. I don't think the Korean community will ever, EVER treat CranK with any respect. This has already gone WAY too far and it probably won't stop until someone from some side just steps in and halts it.

The fact that TB stopped posting here to defend himself more is kind of a clue.


Here's to hoping that someone from some side is Boxer

He won't.. Korea has this family thing where you will take the side of someone you consider close,especially since she is his gf, no matter what. If he comes out and stop jessica it would be like slapping her in public, figuratively of course. Correct me please if i am wrong?
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
October 21 2012 12:34 GMT
#3504
On October 21 2012 21:31 Weirdkid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 21:30 Seraphic wrote:
On October 21 2012 21:24 Integra wrote:
If all Jessica threatened with was the recording then you won't hear anything from Crank since he said he had no problem with Jessica releasing it. so it sounds like empty threats from Jessica's side.


I don't think it's an empty threat. If Jessica is getting the entire e-sports involved to prove she is right and CranK/TB isn't saying everything. I don't think the Korean community will ever, EVER treat CranK with any respect. This has already gone WAY too far and it probably won't stop until someone from some side just steps in and halts it.

The fact that TB stopped posting here to defend himself more is kind of a clue.


Here's to hoping that someone from some side is Boxer


lol I agree with this actually. I want to hear what BoxeR has to say with all of this considering this is the demise of SlayerS. (his team)

To think this could have all been halted if eSF didn't act the way they did, and the kids just came out and talked about it instead of talking behind each others backs.
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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-21 12:35:56
October 21 2012 12:34 GMT
#3505
On October 21 2012 21:29 malaan wrote:
whats with all the voice recordings and secret calls?

wtf is this the watergate scandal of sc2? :/

so pathetic! just let the team die and get on with life, she sounds nuts.

No, because the Korean way when something goes wrong, is to fucking blame it on everyone else;

No one on the slayers team wanted the team to end when it started. Along the way someone fucked up somewhere and the others weren't competent or strong enough to repair the damage, so what do you do? Throw as many people under the buss as you possible can when things failed. You know the golden rule regarding trying to treat people with a win-win situation no matter what the outcome is, that no matter what, you always leave them off better than you found them? FUCK THAT BURN THEM ALL!!
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
lambac0re
Profile Joined August 2011
United States77 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-21 12:36:00
October 21 2012 12:35 GMT
#3506
On October 21 2012 21:34 Integra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 21:29 malaan wrote:
whats with all the voice recordings and secret calls?

wtf is this the watergate scandal of sc2? :/

so pathetic! just let the team die and get on with life, she sounds nuts.

No, because the Korean way when something goes wrong, is to fucking blame it on everyone else

I want you to think hard about what you just wrote here.
kanchome
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
44 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-21 12:37:17
October 21 2012 12:35 GMT
#3507
People shouldn't be judging this on the expectations of some clear cut villain vs some martyr. It's obvious that both sides have their reasons. Beyond this, for obvious reasons due to the Confucian sociology that permeates korea, even IF Crank is in the right he cannot attack Jessica/Boxer beyond defending himself.

This would be like a boxing match between a 18year old male youth vs a 30year old female boxer who happens to be the wife of his coach. Obviously both sides are hesitant to rain blows on each other , but from a social perspective the male loses the bout no matter what happens.

Beyond who is more right or wrong, Crank's already gone under enough. Regardless of your stance in this matter, it's obvious that the Slayers team internally was a toxic environment. Crank probably did contribute towards this, but it should never have been his position to fix the toxic environment in the first place. It is the management and coaches role to ensure the environment is such that the players like where they are.

If anyone is to be blamed, it's manager J who seems to be the only clear cut villain out of all this.
TaKemE
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1045 Posts
October 21 2012 12:36 GMT
#3508
On October 21 2012 21:25 ImNightmare wrote:
lol, I still find it funny though. First it was ESF disbanded my team, then out comes Crank,mma,ryung (and who else?) disbanded my team. Wtf...its never about her


What are you talking about? The first post/statment from her that started all this is about both ESF, crank, mma and ryung.
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
October 21 2012 12:37 GMT
#3509
On October 21 2012 21:34 Integra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 21:29 malaan wrote:
whats with all the voice recordings and secret calls?

wtf is this the watergate scandal of sc2? :/

so pathetic! just let the team die and get on with life, she sounds nuts.

No, because the Korean way when something goes wrong, is to fucking blame it on everyone else;

No one on the slayers team wanted the team to end when it started. Along the way someone fucked up somewhere and the others weren't competent or strong enough to repair the damage, so what do you do? Throw as many people under the buss as you possible can when things failed. You know the golden rule regarding trying to treat people with a win-win situation no matter what the outcome is, that no matter what, you always leave them off better than you found them? FUCK THAT BURN THEM ALL!!



I presume thats from your experience?
어헣 ↗ 어헣 ↗
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-21 12:41:34
October 21 2012 12:38 GMT
#3510
On October 21 2012 21:36 TaKemE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 21:25 ImNightmare wrote:
lol, I still find it funny though. First it was ESF disbanded my team, then out comes Crank,mma,ryung (and who else?) disbanded my team. Wtf...its never about her


What are you talking about? The first post/statment from her that started all this is about both ESF, crank, mma and ryung.

ESF and MMA yeah, Crank and ryung were dragged in.
She said MMA influenced crank so that must be the period when they were already falling apart. Ryung was supposedly allowed to practice at home. Nowhere did it say Crank and Ryung were responsible for the disbandment
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
October 21 2012 12:39 GMT
#3511
On October 21 2012 21:30 Seraphic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 21:24 Integra wrote:
If all Jessica threatened with was the recording then you won't hear anything from Crank since he said he had no problem with Jessica releasing it. so it sounds like empty threats from Jessica's side.


I don't think it's an empty threat. If Jessica is getting the entire e-sports involved to prove she is right and CranK/TB isn't saying everything. I don't think the Korean community will ever, EVER treat CranK with any respect. This has already gone WAY too far and it probably won't stop until someone from some side just steps in and halts it.

The fact that TB stopped posting here to defend himself more is kind of a clue.

that's true LOL.
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Thehealbus
Profile Joined July 2011
38 Posts
October 21 2012 12:42 GMT
#3512
Why does Axiom even need to release a statement?

Defending themselves against Jessica with just crank's word that he did nothing wrong is not going to help the situation in any way, especially with the kind of evidence Jessica is bringing to the table.
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
October 21 2012 12:44 GMT
#3513
Boxer came to the house to be with us, but still nothing changed. Instead of providing the support that the team needed, Boxer often sat around and did other things that were not in relation to us. His focus was not on the team, or Starcraft 2.


I find it kind of hard to believe this part of Crank's statement- it just sounds so uncharacteristic of Boxer to not care about the team.
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
October 21 2012 12:44 GMT
#3514
On October 21 2012 21:42 Thehealbus wrote:
Why does Axiom even need to release a statement?

Defending themselves against Jessica with just crank's word that he did nothing wrong is not going to help the situation in any way, especially with the kind of evidence Jessica is bringing to the table.

Because Crank is under Axiom and TB is part of the management? TB did say they have evidence.
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
October 21 2012 12:44 GMT
#3515
On October 21 2012 21:42 Thehealbus wrote:
Why does Axiom even need to release a statement?

Defending themselves against Jessica with just crank's word that he did nothing wrong is not going to help the situation in any way, especially with the kind of evidence Jessica is bringing to the table.



Ya I honestly don't know what they are thinking. Currently it's... CranK (a young kid) w/ TB's backing vs Jessica's evidence and apparently majority of the Korean netizens behind her (because of BoxeR).

Why did they even bother is... way beyond me.
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DrakeFZX3
Profile Joined October 2010
United States925 Posts
October 21 2012 12:46 GMT
#3516
It's no wonder SlayerS collapsed. How can any player play in an environment where every conversation is being recorded, nothing spoken to management is confidential, and there's always a sense of fear if anyone ever spoke up about anything?

While Jessica has all the "evidence," she sounds incredibly manipulative and unable to blame herself for some of the team's failings.
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-21 12:48:14
October 21 2012 12:46 GMT
#3517
On October 21 2012 21:44 ImNightmare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 21:42 Thehealbus wrote:
Why does Axiom even need to release a statement?

Defending themselves against Jessica with just crank's word that he did nothing wrong is not going to help the situation in any way, especially with the kind of evidence Jessica is bringing to the table.

Because Crank is under Axiom and TB is part of the management? TB did say they have evidence.


But the only evidence they have, had to come from CranK himself. That's hardly enough if Jessica personally recorded the conversation.

This is complete hearsay. If this is all Axiom will release without evidence then, they will look worse in the public image.
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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
October 21 2012 12:48 GMT
#3518
I could totally see myself playing for a team where everything is blamed on me, everything is being recorded, and my managers are completely without fault.
twitch.tv/medrea
farnham
Profile Joined January 2011
1378 Posts
October 21 2012 12:49 GMT
#3519
On October 21 2012 21:25 ImNightmare wrote:
lol, I still find it funny though. First it was ESF disbanded my team, then out comes Crank,mma,ryung (and who else?) disbanded my team. Wtf...its never about her

she explained the problems of the team and blamed three reasons from the start

1. manager j (who we still dont know anything about)
2. ESFs practice ban
3. slayers players like crank, mma, alicia and to some extent ryung
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
October 21 2012 12:49 GMT
#3520
On October 21 2012 21:46 Seraphic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 21:44 ImNightmare wrote:
On October 21 2012 21:42 Thehealbus wrote:
Why does Axiom even need to release a statement?

Defending themselves against Jessica with just crank's word that he did nothing wrong is not going to help the situation in any way, especially with the kind of evidence Jessica is bringing to the table.

Because Crank is under Axiom and TB is part of the management? TB did say they have evidence.


But the only evidence they have, had to come from CranK himself. That's hardly enough if Jessica personally recorded the conversation.

This is complete hearsay. If this is all Axiom will release without evidence then, they will look worse in the public image.

Well we will have to wait for the evidence then won't we? I am sure TB is not dumb to say something without first proof checking the evidence.

I really really am still spook over how Jessica records everything though..nearly a hour of audio files..good lord
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