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There are certainly a lot more tournaments than last year, but that is a good thing. Each tournament is an earning opportunity for some pro-gamers and tournament organisers, and is also a chance for SC2 fans to get some entertainment. The scene is bigger than I can keep up with. I simply cannot watch all the tournaments, there are simply too many games being played. I am fine with that. I just pick and choose the tournaments I watch, I can locate the VODs later if I cannot watch live.
These days I mainly just watch my favourite pro-gamers Stephano, Nerchio, Grubby, Mana, Thorzain and Bling. I like other players too such as Ret, Socke,Violet, MC and Vortix/Lucifron and Scarlett. I will watch tournaments they play are in or tournaments where my favourite casters are featuring like Apollo, InControl, Bitterdam, TB, Husky or Day9. The time zone factor is a big determinant as to whether I watch an SC2 tournament live. Euro tournaments are thus more convenient for me. Everyone will have their own most convenient times in their personal schedule to fit in watching some SC2. I cannot afford to watch SC2 24/7 so I don't. I just cherry-pick and watch what I want to watch, when I want to.
There are a plethora of SC2 tournaments, however in the long term those that are not viable from a business perspective will cease to operate. The market will determine which tournaments survive and which thrive. You can see that MLG, NASL, IPL and DreamHack are competing for brand exposure and viewer and player attention. That is fine with me. The competition means they have to put on a good show relative to their competitors or become second rate and overshadowed.
Korea will become a competitve market for tournaments in the same way MLG compete with IPL, DreamHack and NASL. GSL will soon come under heavy pressure within Korea when Kespa concentrates on promoting it's own SC2 tournaments as the premier Korean SC2 tournaments. I expect the importance of GSL to be greatly diminished as Kespa tournaments take over the attention within Korea. GSL is only significant because it is deemed to have the best players in the world. If Kespa players take over as the percieved best players then Kespa tournaments will take the crown from GSL.
SC2 is an individual esport. It is not like Football where someone supports the same club/team all their lives regardless of the individual players within the team. I have established an emotional attachment to my favourite players and so will follow them regardless of the tournaments they play in or the teams they play for. So from that perspective it is similar to Tennis. I like Federer regardless of who his Coach is or what sponsors he has. The personality/profile of a player is extremely important in terms of establishing an attachment to a player. There are literally hundreds of SC2 pro-gamers. I cannot root for them all or follow them all equally. I don't have the time. So if you are 'faceless' then I am not interested. I don't disrespect any pro-gamer but similarly I cannot follow everyone equally. You have to catch my attention in some way, because I have to prioritize my time. Like everyone, I have other commitments in my time like work, chasing girls, football, family, TV, Films etc. If I am going to invest my time in watching SC2, I am not going to be spending it watching a player I have no attachment to, playing in a tournament I don't really care about.
Personally I don't see it as a problem for me that there are so many tournaments, because I have accepted that I will miss a lot of them. As a football fan, I don't watch every single football game played. That's just normal.
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On October 16 2012 02:08 ReachTheSky wrote:
O one more thing, stop suggesting that its a fan's responsibility to tell people about event's/sc2. It's not our responsibility. If you want your damn numbers higher than you go tell someone. Don't ever, EVER, try to tell someone what their responsibility is when you are not their parent/boss/employer. Who do you think you are? You are crossing the line. WE DON"T HAVE TO DO SHIT. We aren't responsible for selling someone's business or esports or sc2 for that matter.
Reachforthesky,
I think you have failed to see the point of Grubby’s open letter. He is asking the community to voluntarily input into what he perceives to be an upcoming problem that could cause instability in the scene. He is open to all ideas and provides some suggestions, including change nothing. He is not mandating that any of us do anything beyond what we are willing to do.
In short, I agree with the poster above, please do not tell us what to do or attempt instigate an argument about mandates, jurisdiction or whatever you are talking about above. You have made your point clear that you do not think that fans should not be asked to do anything. There are some of us who do not agree with you, but that is not what this thread is about.
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On October 16 2012 03:24 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 02:08 ReachTheSky wrote:
O one more thing, stop suggesting that its a fan's responsibility to tell people about event's/sc2. It's not our responsibility. If you want your damn numbers higher than you go tell someone. Don't ever, EVER, try to tell someone what their responsibility is when you are not their parent/boss/employer. Who do you think you are? You are crossing the line. WE DON"T HAVE TO DO SHIT. We aren't responsible for selling someone's business or esports or sc2 for that matter. Reachforthesky, I think you have failed to see the point of Grubby’s open letter. He is asking the community to voluntarily input into what he perceives to be an upcoming problem that could cause instability in the scene. He is open to all ideas and provides some suggestions, including change nothing. He is not mandating that any of us do anything beyond what we are willing to do. In short, I agree with the poster above, please do not tell us what to do or attempt instigate an argument about mandates, jurisdiction or whatever you are talking about above. You have made your point clear that you do not think that fans should not be asked to do anything. There are some of us who do not agree with you, but that is not what this thread is about.
Its one thing to ask, its another to command what someone else's responsibility is. There is a huge difference.
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On October 16 2012 03:43 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 03:24 Plansix wrote:On October 16 2012 02:08 ReachTheSky wrote:
O one more thing, stop suggesting that its a fan's responsibility to tell people about event's/sc2. It's not our responsibility. If you want your damn numbers higher than you go tell someone. Don't ever, EVER, try to tell someone what their responsibility is when you are not their parent/boss/employer. Who do you think you are? You are crossing the line. WE DON"T HAVE TO DO SHIT. We aren't responsible for selling someone's business or esports or sc2 for that matter. Reachforthesky, I think you have failed to see the point of Grubby’s open letter. He is asking the community to voluntarily input into what he perceives to be an upcoming problem that could cause instability in the scene. He is open to all ideas and provides some suggestions, including change nothing. He is not mandating that any of us do anything beyond what we are willing to do. In short, I agree with the poster above, please do not tell us what to do or attempt instigate an argument about mandates, jurisdiction or whatever you are talking about above. You have made your point clear that you do not think that fans should not be asked to do anything. There are some of us who do not agree with you, but that is not what this thread is about. Its one thing to ask, its another to command what someone else's responsibility is. There is a huge difference.
On October 15 2012 20:10 Grubby wrote:
And if it is, and should be done about it, if anything? If you care about the eSports scene, or care to add your voice, I'd love to read your opinion (point 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6: other).
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For this item, public discussion is allowed, even encouraged - hell, you're a free (wo)man - but for the purposes of this I'd like to request an answer to my email address contact@followgrubby.com so I can keep the discussion pure and without input or fear of judgment from 3rd parties. So if you want me to reply - though a reply is not guaranteed; I can't predict the response size from the community - I will only do so by email. Looking forward to your reply!
These are the two parts of the OP where Grubby requests a response. Requests. There is no demand in the OP. The word “responsibility” is only used in two possible responses to his request that could be submitted by the person responding and is only used in reference to the community in one of those. It is one of six possible options.
At no point does Grubby state that he feels the community is responsible for anything. He demands nothing of anyone and does not command you do to anything. In fact, your response to his request is far more demanding and commanding that his ever was.
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After watching WCS Asia this weekend, I'd have to peg point 3 as a major (but not the only) problem. Namely, production value. WCS Asia had great casters and amazing games, all let down by absolutely horrific production, and really opened my eyes to how poor production can sour even the best tournament for a viewer - Enough so for many to tune out, as I eventually did. Little wonder it had only 5k viewers for most of the time compared to the 100k for WCS Europe.
For tournaments to capture and hold large viewer numbers, they NEED the kind of production seen at DreamHack/WCS Europe. They need interesting filler content between games, they need to have a schedule and keep to it, they most definitely need to have good sound quality (big problem with many tournaments lately. And it's a big problem, too. I'd rather watch 360p with great sound quality than 720p with poor sound quality), and they need a professional-looking venue (obviously-cardboard stage backgrounds are a no-no).
If all major tournaments could manage the standards of DreamHack, I could watch them every weekend and never get tired of it. A major tournament should be a party, a spectacle, and a quality one. Just dumping casters and players into a mediocre setting and pressing 'record' is not enough.
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I say if all of these tournaments want to keep dumping money into the scene then let them. The pros don't have to attend all of them if they feel fatigued, and the viewers don't have to watch them all. In terms of diluting the quality of the participant pools/viewer pools if attendance to these tournies becomes sporadic, well then the scene will just take care of this issue itself. The productions with the highest quality will ultimately win out.
You can't really tell these companies to hold less tournaments though. If they deem them to be profitable then frankly it just is what it is. Could this peak eventually lead to a valley in terms of money/viewership/popularity? Perhaps, but again if these companies are profiting right now it's hard to just tell them to stop.
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currently, SC2 competitive events vaguely resemble a Golf PGA Tour weekend event.
i'd prefer to see a format switch to a "Championship Title Holder" style competition like UFC and Boxing.
so MVP might be the reigning world champion and he'll have to play against the #1 contender in some kind of BO7 or BO9.
you can also have national champions put their "National Title" on the line.
So Scarlett, the reigning Canadian Champion might face HuK in a Bo7 on the "under card" for the "Canadian SC2 Championship Belt".
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On October 16 2012 04:11 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 03:43 ReachTheSky wrote:On October 16 2012 03:24 Plansix wrote:On October 16 2012 02:08 ReachTheSky wrote:
O one more thing, stop suggesting that its a fan's responsibility to tell people about event's/sc2. It's not our responsibility. If you want your damn numbers higher than you go tell someone. Don't ever, EVER, try to tell someone what their responsibility is when you are not their parent/boss/employer. Who do you think you are? You are crossing the line. WE DON"T HAVE TO DO SHIT. We aren't responsible for selling someone's business or esports or sc2 for that matter. Reachforthesky, I think you have failed to see the point of Grubby’s open letter. He is asking the community to voluntarily input into what he perceives to be an upcoming problem that could cause instability in the scene. He is open to all ideas and provides some suggestions, including change nothing. He is not mandating that any of us do anything beyond what we are willing to do. In short, I agree with the poster above, please do not tell us what to do or attempt instigate an argument about mandates, jurisdiction or whatever you are talking about above. You have made your point clear that you do not think that fans should not be asked to do anything. There are some of us who do not agree with you, but that is not what this thread is about. Its one thing to ask, its another to command what someone else's responsibility is. There is a huge difference. Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 20:10 Grubby wrote:
And if it is, and should be done about it, if anything? If you care about the eSports scene, or care to add your voice, I'd love to read your opinion (point 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6: other).
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For this item, public discussion is allowed, even encouraged - hell, you're a free (wo)man - but for the purposes of this I'd like to request an answer to my email address contact@followgrubby.com so I can keep the discussion pure and without input or fear of judgment from 3rd parties. So if you want me to reply - though a reply is not guaranteed; I can't predict the response size from the community - I will only do so by email. Looking forward to your reply!
These are the two parts of the OP where Grubby requests a response. Requests. There is no demand in the OP. The word “responsibility” is only used in two possible responses to his request that could be submitted by the person responding and is only used in reference to the community in one of those. It is one of six possible options. At no point does Grubby state that he feels the community is responsible for anything. He demands nothing of anyone and does not command you do to anything. In fact, your response to his request is far more demanding and commanding that his ever was.
First off I never used to the word demand. Secondly, I'll bold the very specifics because apparently bolding did not make it clear enough for you.
4) The same points as in point 3, but adding the following:
Every party has a responsibility to improve the viewership experience for the audience. This means a fan needs to tell his friends about SC2/tourneys/eSports; a tournament organization needs to raise her own production value; a player needs to go above and beyond "just playing" by becoming actually involved; would-be writers, people from the community with passion need to start covering tourneys; etc; basically anyone who can do anything needs to start doing it.
The theme of point 4 is: "We dont have time to let the hype and growth of (SC2) eSports die off or decline before *maybe* it gets super big in the year 2030 after our own active followership."
There you go, plain and simple. Filled with commands.
If grubby didn't feel like the community should be responsible for anything it would have never been brought up.
Just because it is "listed like an option" does not negate the fact that he is stating/commanding that we need to be doing such n such.
Yes grubby asked/requested for a response to his questions. What I highlighted/originally posted is not about him asking for a response of opinions on what the issue might be, but of the ACTUAL BOLDED PARTS.
You are clearly misunderstanding what I wrote.
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The problem you are describing is lack of hype and brand building. If every tournament looks the same and feels the same, they are doing a bad job of building their brand. A good tournament should involve more than just good games and some interviews after matches. That is where I think the SC2 tournaments are most lacking. If they implemented more "fun" stuff in between like TL attack things it would be much more fun to watch a whole "session". I end up turning off after a while or selecting just a few good matches here and there after because it's too much of the same. The only thing that excites me is a select few players or a foreigner competing. (because that's rare)
In that matter, the worst thing you can do then is follow every tournament "just to support E-Sports". Pick the good ones, and let the bad ones suffer so they have to improve to stay alive. This is how business works, and we can't keep tournaments on life support forever "just to support E-Sports".
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On October 16 2012 04:43 Myrtroll wrote:
The problem you are describing is lack of hype and brand building. If every tournament looks the same and feels the same, they are doing a bad job of building their brand. A good tournament should involve more than just good games and some interviews after matches. That is where I think the SC2 tournaments are most lacking. If they implemented more "fun" stuff in between like TL attack things it would be much more fun to watch a whole "session". I end up turning off after a while or selecting just a few good matches here and there after because it's too much of the same. The only thing that excites me is a select few players or a foreigner competing. (because that's rare)
In that matter, the worst thing you can do then is follow every tournament "just to support E-Sports". Pick the good ones, and let the bad ones suffer so they have to improve to stay alive. This is how business works, and we can't keep tournaments on life support forever "just to support E-Sports".
This guy couldn't be more correct.
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On October 16 2012 04:43 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 04:11 Plansix wrote:On October 16 2012 03:43 ReachTheSky wrote:On October 16 2012 03:24 Plansix wrote:On October 16 2012 02:08 ReachTheSky wrote:
O one more thing, stop suggesting that its a fan's responsibility to tell people about event's/sc2. It's not our responsibility. If you want your damn numbers higher than you go tell someone. Don't ever, EVER, try to tell someone what their responsibility is when you are not their parent/boss/employer. Who do you think you are? You are crossing the line. WE DON"T HAVE TO DO SHIT. We aren't responsible for selling someone's business or esports or sc2 for that matter. Reachforthesky, I think you have failed to see the point of Grubby’s open letter. He is asking the community to voluntarily input into what he perceives to be an upcoming problem that could cause instability in the scene. He is open to all ideas and provides some suggestions, including change nothing. He is not mandating that any of us do anything beyond what we are willing to do. In short, I agree with the poster above, please do not tell us what to do or attempt instigate an argument about mandates, jurisdiction or whatever you are talking about above. You have made your point clear that you do not think that fans should not be asked to do anything. There are some of us who do not agree with you, but that is not what this thread is about. Its one thing to ask, its another to command what someone else's responsibility is. There is a huge difference. On October 15 2012 20:10 Grubby wrote:
And if it is, and should be done about it, if anything? If you care about the eSports scene, or care to add your voice, I'd love to read your opinion (point 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6: other).
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For this item, public discussion is allowed, even encouraged - hell, you're a free (wo)man - but for the purposes of this I'd like to request an answer to my email address contact@followgrubby.com so I can keep the discussion pure and without input or fear of judgment from 3rd parties. So if you want me to reply - though a reply is not guaranteed; I can't predict the response size from the community - I will only do so by email. Looking forward to your reply!
These are the two parts of the OP where Grubby requests a response. Requests. There is no demand in the OP. The word “responsibility” is only used in two possible responses to his request that could be submitted by the person responding and is only used in reference to the community in one of those. It is one of six possible options. At no point does Grubby state that he feels the community is responsible for anything. He demands nothing of anyone and does not command you do to anything. In fact, your response to his request is far more demanding and commanding that his ever was. First off I never used to the word demand. Secondly, I'll bold the very specifics because apparently bolding did not make it clear enough for you. 4) The same points as in point 3, but adding the following: Every party has a responsibility to improve the viewership experience for the audience. This means a fan needs to tell his friends about SC2/tourneys/eSports; a tournament organization needs to raise her own production value; a player needs to go above and beyond "just playing" by becoming actually involved; would-be writers, people from the community with passion need to start covering tourneys; etc; basically anyone who can do anything needs to start doing it. The theme of point 4 is: "We dont have time to let the hype and growth of (SC2) eSports die off or decline before *maybe* it gets super big in the year 2030 after our own active followership." There you go, plain and simple. Filled with commands. If grubby didn't feel like the community should be responsible for anything it would have never been brought up. Just because it is "listed like an option" does not negate the fact that he is stating/commanding that we need to be doing such n such. Yes grubby asked/requested for a response to his questions. What I highlighted/originally posted is not about him asking for a response of opinions on what the issue might be, but of the ACTUAL BOLDED PARTS. You are clearly misunderstanding what I wrote.
Maybe I'm wrong here, but the OP appears to be multiple choice of common points of view. I don't think Grubby is telling you what you should believe, just saying it appears to be a common viewpoint.
I agree with you, in a sense, that we have no duty to help in brand building.
Still, if you have friends that are into Starcraft, or video games in general, it makes sense to spread the word about events that you enjoy spectating, because the event benefits from another viewer and potential fan and you benefit from having someone to share the experience with. Some of the most fun that I've had related to Starcraft is either watching an event with friends and/or discussing the games from an event with friends.
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I think its important to have a lot of tournaments, for the players, to make it a real esport, the fewer tournaments there are the less pro players the game will have. This will sort itself out, im sure of it, tournament organizers will either cut their losses or find it to taxing to run/organize tournaments! As far as viewer fatigue, i really think that is up the viewer, accessibility could be considered a problem, but its like a first world esports problem, compare to other games which are not even thought of or glanced at twice! The big tournaments do stick out more then the smaller ones and i dont doubt they will receive proportional viewership numbers to the event they are organizing! Hots should also be a big boost, as refreshing and creative new game play, re-energizes the complexity of the game~
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I see no problems with the amount of Tournaments we have currently. Educated viewers will follow what interests them.
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(6) not having a horrid stream in major events at the first day which seems to happen wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too often
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On October 16 2012 04:43 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 04:11 Plansix wrote:On October 16 2012 03:43 ReachTheSky wrote:On October 16 2012 03:24 Plansix wrote:On October 16 2012 02:08 ReachTheSky wrote:
O one more thing, stop suggesting that its a fan's responsibility to tell people about event's/sc2. It's not our responsibility. If you want your damn numbers higher than you go tell someone. Don't ever, EVER, try to tell someone what their responsibility is when you are not their parent/boss/employer. Who do you think you are? You are crossing the line. WE DON"T HAVE TO DO SHIT. We aren't responsible for selling someone's business or esports or sc2 for that matter. Reachforthesky, I think you have failed to see the point of Grubby’s open letter. He is asking the community to voluntarily input into what he perceives to be an upcoming problem that could cause instability in the scene. He is open to all ideas and provides some suggestions, including change nothing. He is not mandating that any of us do anything beyond what we are willing to do. In short, I agree with the poster above, please do not tell us what to do or attempt instigate an argument about mandates, jurisdiction or whatever you are talking about above. You have made your point clear that you do not think that fans should not be asked to do anything. There are some of us who do not agree with you, but that is not what this thread is about. Its one thing to ask, its another to command what someone else's responsibility is. There is a huge difference. On October 15 2012 20:10 Grubby wrote:
And if it is, and should be done about it, if anything? If you care about the eSports scene, or care to add your voice, I'd love to read your opinion (point 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6: other).
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For this item, public discussion is allowed, even encouraged - hell, you're a free (wo)man - but for the purposes of this I'd like to request an answer to my email address contact@followgrubby.com so I can keep the discussion pure and without input or fear of judgment from 3rd parties. So if you want me to reply - though a reply is not guaranteed; I can't predict the response size from the community - I will only do so by email. Looking forward to your reply!
These are the two parts of the OP where Grubby requests a response. Requests. There is no demand in the OP. The word “responsibility” is only used in two possible responses to his request that could be submitted by the person responding and is only used in reference to the community in one of those. It is one of six possible options. At no point does Grubby state that he feels the community is responsible for anything. He demands nothing of anyone and does not command you do to anything. In fact, your response to his request is far more demanding and commanding that his ever was. First off I never used to the word demand. Secondly, I'll bold the very specifics because apparently bolding did not make it clear enough for you. 4) The same points as in point 3, but adding the following: Every party has a responsibility to improve the viewership experience for the audience. This means a fan needs to tell his friends about SC2/tourneys/eSports; a tournament organization needs to raise her own production value; a player needs to go above and beyond "just playing" by becoming actually involved; would-be writers, people from the community with passion need to start covering tourneys; etc; basically anyone who can do anything needs to start doing it. The theme of point 4 is: "We dont have time to let the hype and growth of (SC2) eSports die off or decline before *maybe* it gets super big in the year 2030 after our own active followership." There you go, plain and simple. Filled with commands. If grubby didn't feel like the community should be responsible for anything it would have never been brought up. Just because it is "listed like an option" does not negate the fact that he is stating/commanding that we need to be doing such n such. Yes grubby asked/requested for a response to his questions. What I highlighted/originally posted is not about him asking for a response of opinions on what the issue might be, but of the ACTUAL BOLDED PARTS. You are clearly misunderstanding what I wrote.
I think you're misunderstanding what Grubby meant. If I'm not mistaken, he was writing that as possible answer #4 (or whatever that number was) and he wanted people to either say, "Yes, I agree" or "No, I disagree." I don't think he meant those were his actual views, although they could be, who knows. But I took what he said to be intended as hypothetical problem/solution #4 and he wanted people to say, "Yes, this is the problem" or "No, it isn't the real problem".
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5 is the right answer. It will sort itself out. People won't watch the bad tournaments and eventually only the major leagues will survive. If the small tournaments can survive even with low viewer counts then that's good too. I always like having more to watch.
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I believe the real reason the sc2 community is shrinking is because we don't get to see or play a lot of really great games. The potential is there, maru vs effort and gumiho vs mma are both examples of how exciting and intense games can get, but these are far and away the exception and not the rule. BW and war3 both developed over the years to the point where almost every high level pro match had something interesting to offer, that is not the case yet with sc2. I guess my point is, I don't think there are too many tournaments being played, I think there just needs to be higher quality games in those tournaments.
The solution? Perhaps david kim can work some magic with HoTS, or perhaps the pros just need to keep honing their skills so we can see some truly epic games.
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Too many tournament circuits, each claiming to crown the best player in the world. We need some organization (probably Blizzard) to step in and force them to culminate in some sort of Super Bowl/World Series type event. As it stands, there is a new 'reigning champion' every week and it dilutes the meaning of the achievement.
I think Riot had the right idea with the World Championships. Don't remove the independent tournaments, but have them feed into something that carries greater meaning/reward.
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On October 16 2012 08:38 HorsemasterK wrote:
Too many tournament circuits, each claiming to crown the best player in the world. We need some organization (probably Blizzard) to step in and force them to culminate in some sort of Super Bowl/World Series type event. As it stands, there is a new 'reigning champion' every week and it dilutes the meaning of the achievement.
I think Riot had the right idea with the World Championships. Don't remove the independent tournaments, but have them feed into something that carries greater meaning/reward.
That's more or less what the GSL code S is. If you win that you truly can be considered the best player in the world.
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Here's the response I emailed to Grubby, in case anyone is interested in reading it.
Hey Grubby,
I believe that option number five that you supplied rings true. Over saturation isn't really a problem for me, at least on a personal level. I agree with your option one to a degree as well though, let me try to explain why. While I think that the scene isn't over saturated, and that the best tournaments will gain more viewers naturally, and the others that aren't as worthy will die, I would also appreciate better live reporting. There are times when I can't watch a tournament because of classes, or studies, or work, and during these times I would love to be able to see a detailed account of what happened in the games and results. Currently, these things aren't really compiled into a single place very well, although Liquipedia is getting pretty close to that. I sometimes do wish Liquipedia was updated more frequently however.
Sometimes I feel like its the opposite, that we are under saturated with material. I oftentimes find that we have enough material to be picky of which tournaments we want, but when we find our niche, there is an under saturation in that niche. For example, I have found that I enjoy to watch tournaments such as proleague, OSL, GSL, MvP, WCS, MLG, DH, NASL finals, etc, and just completely disregard lesser tournaments that don't have a comprehensive list of big players involved. Oftentimes, I simply can't watch these live however, and the VOD systems are in-comprehensive, posted very late, or cost money to watch. While I don't mind spending money to watch them sometimes, the VOD payoff for my money doesn't supply me with enough VODs to satisfy me. I tend to watch Starcraft 2 during all of my time not spent on studies or out with friends and family, so many times I will find myself searching for content to watch which is high enough quality for me to enjoy, but there simply isn't always enough of it, so I will just murk around on TL or go play games myself.
Thanks,
Nick
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