EPTOn October 17 2012 06:36 Ry2D2 wrote:
Quite unfortunate
. Now who will stop those koreans from going stargate PvZ opener all day?
Quite unfortunate
. Now who will stop those koreans from going stargate PvZ opener all day?Dongraegu.
Stephano suspended by Evil Geniuses - Page 147
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TheDougler
Canada8296 Posts
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Nyarly
France1030 Posts
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TwiStEr
Germany115 Posts
On October 17 2012 04:42 DreamChaser wrote: This is basically what i have finally deduced from 130+ pages, obviously i don't want to stereotype to much. But Europeans (Or mostly French) are ok with this humor. Yea it was a bad joke but the punishment is unnecessary Americans are mostly against ANY type of child/minor molestation or abuse even in a joking content. thats funny because only in the english language does one speak of raping the opponent | ||
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U_G_L_Y
United States516 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=375035¤tpage=56#1103 Can't he get arrested for this shit? Americans can't make this kind of joke for sure. Let alone he is pretty serious there. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=375035¤tpage=50#990 Why Stephano is even on EG disgusts me. He's made fun of the holocaust on twitter before, and now this? How much is too much? Do we want people like this representing esports at the forefront of our scene? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=375035¤tpage=52#1021 You would rather watch Stephano today and have the scene die tomorrow? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=375035¤tpage=52#1034 Anyone realize that the age of consent in Spain is 13? Stephano recently attended Dreamhack Valencia, in Spain. Maybe he boinked a young Spanish chick. Who knows man, them French are pretty liberal with the sex. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=375035¤tpage=54#1065 ....am I missing something? How is that a joke? Ok Ok he WAS joking but....damn, that is so not funny. Maybe french humor is about pretending to commit crimes.....strange http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=375035¤tpage=54#1070 Dude that can totally get him in jail... being banned by EG is the last thing he needs to worry about right now. Better hope no 14 years old comes forward because he already admitted it if someone accuses him... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=375035¤tpage=55#1092 Wow so is he really a child predator or was he joking? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=375035¤tpage=55#1089 who cares what the age consent in that location was it's wrong to bang a 14yr old, if i go to a lawless shit hole like sudan and fuck a 10yr old is it ok because they have no age of consent there, fuck no it isn't ok, this thread makes me sick and so does the EG team a one month suspension is nothing, never watching there streams again or buying a any products associated with them. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=375035¤tpage=50#995 I'm confused. Why exactly was it even a joke? It wasn't framed as a joke. There's no punch line or twist. And he immediately regretted expressing it. Unless my English comprehension is not sufficiently bad enough to understand why it's even a joke in the first place calling it a joke is just an excuse for a crude comment. The only reason people are saying it is a joke is because the person he was talking with didn't take it seriously either, but stephano evidently did while he expressed it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=375035¤tpage=56#1101 Stephano said that as if it was true or it really happened... But then again, his English isn't his main language. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=375035¤tpage=56#1120 When I was 19, I fucked 14 year olds. The laws are bs. Such a small age difference and there are some slutty 14 year olds for sure. What a joke. All the people on their moral high horses. Here are some things I learned from this brief sampling, in no particular order: -Competitive Starcraft would cease to exist if he were not punished, -Stephano is going to jail since he lives in America, -He doesn't understand what he was saying because he is French, -If Laffy Taffy has taught us anything, it is that all jokes require punchlines or wordplay, -Statutory rape isn't all bad, -He didn't know Bling was streaming and hadn't considered the possibility when he chose to randomly message him something wildly offensive out of the blue, -Stephano is a rapist. This all reminds me of the time when he got in a huge fight with DeMuslim on stream. As you may well know, they are bitter enemies. See for yourself: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Owk8Y.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rm8vo.jpg) Or maybe, just maybe, Stephano likes to troll and he KNEW people were watching Bling's stream. And he thought to himself "you know what would be funny? If I trolled this guy's stream and said something outrageous that would get a few really dumb people to get really butt-hurt, and then we will all laugh at them." Stephano is guilty. He is guilty of believing (in error) that you are not a total dumbass. | ||
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U_G_L_Y
United States516 Posts
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On October 17 2012 03:17 Divinicus1er wrote: i actually agree with both of you. Honestly ... that's just the american way of doing it. Seems more like a clash of cultures than anything else ... I assume it was a joke; if it wasn't, this statement is not applicable. This is very anecdotal, but i just want to make a point. i know of an american guy, who worked at a bank in the netherlands. The first thing that surprises him is you can say whatever you want and make jokes about whatever you want. (truth of this statement doesn't matter for the point i'm making) He worked there for like 3 years, and then went back to go and work for another bank. No real problems, until he made an innocent remark on someone's skin color. It was very innocent, it was used for descriptional purposes. Charges were made against him for that. I don't actually know how it ended, we lost contact. Now, this story is in no way comparable to this issue, but the point is the following: there is a difference in culture in terms of reactions to someone's statements. That's why you have to be especially careful about choosing your words in an international environment. I'm not saying that it's all right because of that, what i'm saying is that people in this thread seem to know exactly what should done or what people 'just' don't do. Not only from americans, but i also saw some reactions from dutchies and french people. It is no crime to judge him to your own standards, but doing so, blind of other possibities, is foolish. Also, this is not restricted to cultures. It depends of what kind of people one speaks with. While i personally would never make such jokes, and i would estimate that my closest friends wouldn't either, i would be lying if i said i never heard jokes comparable to this one in terms of crudeness (assuming it was a joke, of course), while others i know would be apalled by such a joke. Now, as a reaction to both quoted posts: tMomiji wrote about how he thinks that the joke could be misinterpreted. That is correct. There is no apparent reason not doubt truth of the statements, until the statement about kids and milfs came. After that, the face of bling and the 'i hope you're not streaming' comment made the confusion even worse. If these statements were shocking, i can't blame anyone. This is also where my anecdote doesn't work; if taken serious, the comment is not innocent. To say some things are just taboo is, in my experience or form my perspective, no surprise coming from an american. I'm not trying to look down on this. Though i don't the attitude, it's a perfectly reasonable attitude to have. In that sense, i can imagine why it looks like a cultural issue. In that sense i agree with Divicus1er. However, i slightly disagree with the sense that is't only or primarily a case of cultural differences. As i said before, in an international environment, one has to be very careful in what to say. If a joke is made, one has to take into account the cultures to which your statements are directed. In this case, it's very unfortunate that stephano wasn't aware of the statements being published. But the principle still applies. Because of the international environment, EG could not have done anything else than punish him. In an international environment, even if there are 10% (just making this number up ofcourse) of the people shocked by your statement, the organisation must do something about it. Internationally, the source of disapprovement may not spread, but the disapprovement itself does. In a national environment, this effect is much smaller, because there are less misconceptions about how to interpret this disapprovement (although 10% of your customers still is much, so maybe the number wasn't chosen correctly). These are my views on this subject assuming this was a joke. Please don't think of me as a fanboy or a hater, i tried to write this as unbiased as possible. Especially towards the people from the us, don't take this too negatively. | ||
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Bart
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meatbox
Australia349 Posts
I like Stephano more now, keep up the good work. | ||
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Cutlery
Norway565 Posts
On October 17 2012 08:29 meatbox wrote: What happened to free speech? I like Stephano more now, keep up the good work. Not like he is being prosecuted :p He signed away his typical free speech in public when he signed the EG contract, i suppose. EG needs some assurance that he isn't alienating the team from its fan base and sponsors. It's business, is all. | ||
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KillingVector
United States96 Posts
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blueberrycrush
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On October 17 2012 08:54 KillingVector wrote: So I turn on IPTL right now, and I'm watching Stephano play against Sniper. Did I miss something about his suspension? those are replays. Stephano was just suspended a few days ago. | ||
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archonOOid
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On October 17 2012 07:04 U_G_L_Y wrote: Here are a handful of reactions from the community that I picked out over about 5 pages of forum chatter: + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=375035¤tpage=56#1103 Can't he get arrested for this shit? Americans can't make this kind of joke for sure. Let alone he is pretty serious there. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=375035¤tpage=50#990 Why Stephano is even on EG disgusts me. He's made fun of the holocaust on twitter before, and now this? How much is too much? Do we want people like this representing esports at the forefront of our scene? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=375035¤tpage=52#1021 You would rather watch Stephano today and have the scene die tomorrow? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=375035¤tpage=52#1034 Anyone realize that the age of consent in Spain is 13? Stephano recently attended Dreamhack Valencia, in Spain. Maybe he boinked a young Spanish chick. Who knows man, them French are pretty liberal with the sex. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=375035¤tpage=54#1065 ....am I missing something? How is that a joke? Ok Ok he WAS joking but....damn, that is so not funny. Maybe french humor is about pretending to commit crimes.....strange http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=375035¤tpage=54#1070 Dude that can totally get him in jail... being banned by EG is the last thing he needs to worry about right now. Better hope no 14 years old comes forward because he already admitted it if someone accuses him... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=375035¤tpage=55#1092 Wow so is he really a child predator or was he joking? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=375035¤tpage=55#1089 who cares what the age consent in that location was it's wrong to bang a 14yr old, if i go to a lawless shit hole like sudan and fuck a 10yr old is it ok because they have no age of consent there, fuck no it isn't ok, this thread makes me sick and so does the EG team a one month suspension is nothing, never watching there streams again or buying a any products associated with them. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=375035¤tpage=50#995 I'm confused. Why exactly was it even a joke? It wasn't framed as a joke. There's no punch line or twist. And he immediately regretted expressing it. Unless my English comprehension is not sufficiently bad enough to understand why it's even a joke in the first place calling it a joke is just an excuse for a crude comment. The only reason people are saying it is a joke is because the person he was talking with didn't take it seriously either, but stephano evidently did while he expressed it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=375035¤tpage=56#1101 Stephano said that as if it was true or it really happened... But then again, his English isn't his main language. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=375035¤tpage=56#1120 When I was 19, I fucked 14 year olds. The laws are bs. Such a small age difference and there are some slutty 14 year olds for sure. What a joke. All the people on their moral high horses. Here are some things I learned from this brief sampling, in no particular order: -Competitive Starcraft would cease to exist if he were not punished, -Stephano is going to jail since he lives in America, -He doesn't understand what he was saying because he is French, -If Laffy Taffy has taught us anything, it is that all jokes require punchlines or wordplay, -Statutory rape isn't all bad, -He didn't know Bling was streaming and hadn't considered the possibility when he chose to randomly message him something wildly offensive out of the blue, -Stephano is a rapist. This all reminds me of the time when he got in a huge fight with DeMuslim on stream. As you may well know, they are bitter enemies. See for yourself: Or maybe, just maybe, Stephano likes to troll and he KNEW people were watching Bling's stream. And he thought to himself "you know what would be funny? If I trolled this guy's stream and said something outrageous that would get a few really dumb people to get really butt-hurt, and then we will all laugh at them." Stephano is guilty. He is guilty of believing (in error) that you are not a total dumbass. Demuslim's remarks are racist if the conversion in images are true. Very alarming. | ||
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U_G_L_Y
United States516 Posts
Stephano, who was sitting six feet from DeMuslim, was trolling the stream. He was saying offensive things, and claiming DeMuslim was saying offensive things, to get a rise out of REALLY DUMB viewers. Because it is funny. But it is less funny if nobody is smart enough to get your joke... Internet peoples make me sad. | ||
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Raamah
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Not guilty? Then it was a joke and there are many people who don't "get it" or understand the point of it. Check out comedians like Jimmy Carr or Frankie Boyle, the style of humour is brutal, cringe-worthy and offensive. But that's the point, you are shocked, then appalled, then laughing, and then appalled again because you found it funny and have no moral standards. Honestly check them out they are very funny. | ||
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U_G_L_Y
United States516 Posts
On October 17 2012 10:29 Raamah wrote: If you think he is guilty ask yourself this: Would you commit a crime like sex with a minor, and then confess it to a random guy you are playing on the ladder? Probably not, nobody is that stupid, and I'd wager SC2 pros are the opposite of stupid. Not guilty? Then it was a joke and there are many people who don't "get it" or understand the point of it. Check out comedians like Jimmy Carr or Frankie Boyle, the style of humour is brutal, cringe-worthy and offensive. But that's the point, you are shocked, then appalled, then laughing, and then appalled again because you found it funny and have no moral standards. Honestly check them out they are very funny. Was that directed at me? | ||
CountChocula
Canada2068 Posts
On October 17 2012 10:29 Raamah wrote: If you think he is guilty ask yourself this: Would you commit a crime like sex with a minor, and then confess it to a random guy you are playing on the ladder? Probably not, nobody is that stupid, and I'd wager SC2 pros are the opposite of stupid. Not guilty? Then it was a joke and there are many people who don't "get it" or understand the point of it. Check out comedians like Jimmy Carr or Frankie Boyle, the style of humour is brutal, cringe-worthy and offensive. But that's the point, you are shocked, then appalled, then laughing, and then appalled again because you found it funny and have no moral standards. Honestly check them out they are very funny. They were 2v2 teammates in competitive SC2 and have even won championships together. Hardly a random guy on the ladder. | ||
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shizaep
Canada2920 Posts
On October 16 2012 07:11 Incomplet wrote: Already obvious to many, but I will list this FAQ for the dummies. Did Stephano really rape a 14 year old? No, the only plausible scenario if this really did happen is if the girl lied her age. Was this a bad joke? Yes Does the fact that this was a private conversation an excuse? No. Players like Stephano are always in the spot light, and always must be aware of what they say. There have been plenty of other cases, some of which include Stephano which already highlight how important this is. Is Stephano's age a factor? Yes. Under 21 is very young and it is a time to learn from your mistakes. Most of the people who do not see the inappropriateness of his actions will more than likely also fall into this same age category. Did Stephano write the letter of apology? Unlikely, and if it was, it was "fluffed up" by an EG PR representative. Will Stephano participate in GSL Code S Season 5 2012? Unlikely. He will use this grace period to train in Korea and come back for the November tournaments. Is he running away from Code S? Yes. As long as he keeps avoiding Code S, he will always have a horde of fan boys who do not follow the Korean scene. This is a cunning act of self-marketing. This is bullshit, not answers to FAQ. You are just speculating about just about everything here and pulling out answers out of your ass based on your own biases and prejudices. It's nice that you could share your opinions with us but please don't market these as a generally accepted truth because they aren't. The only conclusion that can be made from this post is that you are a Stephano hater. There would be more than enough more intelligent people in this thread to disagree with everything you posted. Please. | ||
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wcr.4fun
Belgium686 Posts
Are people forgetting trolling exists? wtf. Trolling is literally trying to evoke responses by shocking, annoying,... people. Why would I say that i abused a 14 year old? To get a response out of people and because it's actually funny to see people's responses. Something similar and rather funny (which happens a lot in tv programms like simpsons, futurama or animes, movies,...) is when you say hello to one of your friends or ask him a basic question and he suddenly shakingly spits out a story about how he freaked out because of all the blood, didn't know what to do and buried the body somewhere,... lol. | ||
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Myrddraal
Australia937 Posts
On October 16 2012 23:22 Biff The Understudy wrote: If it's fine for two 15 years old to have sex together, it's fine for a 19 and a 15, or a 14 to have sex together too. Some people are more mature at 14 than at 19. I had a 15 years old girlfriend when I was 17 who was more mature than me by a mile. Finally, something we can agree on  . | ||
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