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Lelomak
Profile Joined July 2012
United States2 Posts
October 17 2012 09:53 GMT
#2941
The real question is why is stephano playing in iptl when he is suspended....... a 15 yr old and a 15yr old having sex is different than a 19yr old and a 14yr old its basic math..... Idc personally what he did but societal morals are what they are and when its associated to business professionalism is key. Not to mention when stephano won wcs Europe in the interview he said he was the most professional player in starcraft 2.... That was obviously not a true statement..
Go for Bonjwa or go for broke.....
Sunrunner
Profile Joined July 2011
United States80 Posts
October 17 2012 13:54 GMT
#2942
Right at the top of the broadcast Kevin said the matches were played before the suspension was announced. You do know that iptl is cast from replays, right?

As for the suspension, I fully support it. EG has to protect their brand and their sponsorship. Free speech has nothing to do with it. (FYI to any Americans, Constitutional rights such as free speech are held against the government not against individuals or private entities. I don't know anything about the French legal system so I won't comment on it.)
Hemula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Russian Federation1849 Posts
October 17 2012 14:07 GMT
#2943
On October 17 2012 03:18 ReachTheSky wrote:
Close this god damn awful thread already.

This^

User was warned for this post
Sea_aeS
Profile Joined November 2011
1025 Posts
October 17 2012 18:25 GMT
#2944
On October 17 2012 06:43 TwiStEr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 04:42 DreamChaser wrote:
On October 17 2012 03:17 Divinicus1er wrote:
On October 17 2012 03:08 tMomiji wrote:
Honestly...I'm prepared to get a lot of hate for this, but, I agree here. And no it's not because I'm biased against Stephano - let me explain. Nobody *knew* if he was joking or not. Like someone said before, BlinG's expression says it all. This could have been potentially very, very serious. When someone makes a claim of child abuse, joking or not, people are *obligated* to take it seriously. It's similar to a bomb threat in that regard. -remembering three days in a row of faked bomb threats at school because kids knew it would have to be taken seriously and would get us out of class- There are some things that are simply taboo...and honestly I think EG did the right thing. I can see where people are coming from, saying that it's just a joke and that Stephano is not a bad person, and these are both true. However this is simply the way society works - there are some things that are taken seriously and *have* to be taken seriously because if you start ignoring them you run the risk of ignoring a case where it's true...that's just the way things *are*. ...Sorry.


Honestly ... that's just the american way of doing it.

Seems more like a clash of cultures than anything else ...


This is basically what i have finally deduced from 130+ pages, obviously i don't want to stereotype to much. But Europeans (Or mostly French) are ok with this humor. Yea it was a bad joke but the punishment is unnecessary

Americans are mostly against ANY type of child/minor molestation or abuse even in a joking content.



thats funny because only in the english language does one speak of raping the opponent


Believe me we do it everytime in french ))
ClanRH.TV
Profile Joined July 2010
United States462 Posts
October 17 2012 22:59 GMT
#2945
On October 13 2012 14:44 Neptuneajax wrote:
Anyone realize that the age of consent in Spain is 13? Stephano recently attended Dreamhack Valencia, in Spain. Maybe he boinked a young Spanish chick. Who knows man, them French are pretty liberal with the sex.


I think this is an excellent point however, the fact that he apologized and took responsibility for it most likely indicates it was a poorly thought out joke/comment.
"Don't take life too seriously because you'll never get out alive."
ClanRH.TV
Profile Joined July 2010
United States462 Posts
October 17 2012 23:02 GMT
#2946
On October 17 2012 18:53 Lelomak wrote:
The real question is why is stephano playing in iptl when he is suspended....... a 15 yr old and a 15yr old having sex is different than a 19yr old and a 14yr old its basic math..... Idc personally what he did but societal morals are what they are and when its associated to business professionalism is key. Not to mention when stephano won wcs Europe in the interview he said he was the most professional player in starcraft 2.... That was obviously not a true statement..


Apparently you don't respect the morals and norms of other cultures. If the accepted age of consent in a country is 14 years old, then a person, regardless of age and having been given true consent by her, isn't doing anything wrong.
"Don't take life too seriously because you'll never get out alive."
SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
October 17 2012 23:08 GMT
#2947
On October 18 2012 03:25 Sea_aeS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 06:43 TwiStEr wrote:
On October 17 2012 04:42 DreamChaser wrote:
On October 17 2012 03:17 Divinicus1er wrote:
On October 17 2012 03:08 tMomiji wrote:
Honestly...I'm prepared to get a lot of hate for this, but, I agree here. And no it's not because I'm biased against Stephano - let me explain. Nobody *knew* if he was joking or not. Like someone said before, BlinG's expression says it all. This could have been potentially very, very serious. When someone makes a claim of child abuse, joking or not, people are *obligated* to take it seriously. It's similar to a bomb threat in that regard. -remembering three days in a row of faked bomb threats at school because kids knew it would have to be taken seriously and would get us out of class- There are some things that are simply taboo...and honestly I think EG did the right thing. I can see where people are coming from, saying that it's just a joke and that Stephano is not a bad person, and these are both true. However this is simply the way society works - there are some things that are taken seriously and *have* to be taken seriously because if you start ignoring them you run the risk of ignoring a case where it's true...that's just the way things *are*. ...Sorry.


Honestly ... that's just the american way of doing it.

Seems more like a clash of cultures than anything else ...


This is basically what i have finally deduced from 130+ pages, obviously i don't want to stereotype to much. But Europeans (Or mostly French) are ok with this humor. Yea it was a bad joke but the punishment is unnecessary

Americans are mostly against ANY type of child/minor molestation or abuse even in a joking content.



thats funny because only in the english language does one speak of raping the opponent


Believe me we do it everytime in french ))


Ok, that seems normal? >_<
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
October 17 2012 23:30 GMT
#2948
On October 18 2012 07:59 ClanRH.TV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 14:44 Neptuneajax wrote:
Anyone realize that the age of consent in Spain is 13? Stephano recently attended Dreamhack Valencia, in Spain. Maybe he boinked a young Spanish chick. Who knows man, them French are pretty liberal with the sex.


I think this is an excellent point however, the fact that he apologized and took responsibility for it most likely indicates it was a poorly thought out joke/comment.


I support Stephano in this and disagree with EG's reaction but this is not a good argument. Stoning someone for apostasy might be legal in Afghanistan or honor killings in rural areas of pakistan but it doesn't mean it's ok. Morality is more than individual arbitratily assigned consent laws that very from country to country. Whether it's legal doesn't mean it's 'right'.
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meatbox
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia349 Posts
October 18 2012 01:17 GMT
#2949
You can't punish Stephano for saying something that offends the weak and ugly. This is a subjective issue, I found it funny and want much more 'boundary pushing' jokes please. If you're offended then you cannot control your emotions, see a psychologist for help.
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echobong
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada92 Posts
October 18 2012 05:20 GMT
#2950
Poll: What do you think actually happened?

He actually violated a 14 year old girl in full knowledge of her age (26)
 
46%

other (25)
 
45%

It was consensual and he did not know her age at the time until after. (5)
 
9%

56 total votes

Your vote: What do you think actually happened?

(Vote): He actually violated a 14 year old girl in full knowledge of her age
(Vote): It was consensual and he did not know her age at the time until after.
(Vote): other



This isn't a poll for people that think it is a joke, this is just for the people that think something happened. I'm just interested.
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
October 18 2012 07:31 GMT
#2951
On October 18 2012 14:20 echobong wrote:
Poll: What do you think actually happened?

He actually violated a 14 year old girl in full knowledge of her age (26)
 
46%

other (25)
 
45%

It was consensual and he did not know her age at the time until after. (5)
 
9%

56 total votes

Your vote: What do you think actually happened?

(Vote): He actually violated a 14 year old girl in full knowledge of her age
(Vote): It was consensual and he did not know her age at the time until after.
(Vote): other



This isn't a poll for people that think it is a joke, this is just for the people that think something happened. I'm just interested.


^ Nobody ever asks the girl's age afterwards. You either ask beforehand, or don't ask at all.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 18 2012 11:26 GMT
#2952
On October 18 2012 14:20 echobong wrote:
Poll: What do you think actually happened?

He actually violated a 14 year old girl in full knowledge of her age (26)
 
46%

other (25)
 
45%

It was consensual and he did not know her age at the time until after. (5)
 
9%

56 total votes

Your vote: What do you think actually happened?

(Vote): He actually violated a 14 year old girl in full knowledge of her age
(Vote): It was consensual and he did not know her age at the time until after.
(Vote): other



This isn't a poll for people that think it is a joke, this is just for the people that think something happened. I'm just interested.


Where's the option: I don't know?

People aren't asking for a lynching. They're not taking Stephano to court. They're reacting to what Stephano said, regardless of what happened.
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echobong
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada92 Posts
October 18 2012 12:26 GMT
#2953
On October 18 2012 16:31 Cel.erity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 14:20 echobong wrote:
Poll: What do you think actually happened?

He actually violated a 14 year old girl in full knowledge of her age (26)
 
46%

other (25)
 
45%

It was consensual and he did not know her age at the time until after. (5)
 
9%

56 total votes

Your vote: What do you think actually happened?

(Vote): He actually violated a 14 year old girl in full knowledge of her age
(Vote): It was consensual and he did not know her age at the time until after.
(Vote): other



This isn't a poll for people that think it is a joke, this is just for the people that think something happened. I'm just interested.


^ Nobody ever asks the girl's age afterwards. You either ask beforehand, or don't ask at all.


Hmm. Good point.
Maxyim
Profile Joined March 2012
430 Posts
October 18 2012 13:38 GMT
#2954
Naw I think that he just found some bath salts or something. Poor little guy; I wonder how many countries will now deny him entrance lol.
GreyMasta
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada197 Posts
October 18 2012 14:08 GMT
#2955
On October 18 2012 22:38 Maxyim wrote:
Naw I think that he just found some bath salts or something. Poor little guy; I wonder how many countries will now deny him entrance lol.


Stop thinking that US culture == World culture

tbh, he may mostly have issues with the US, the most hypocrytical sex culture nation in the world - after the hardcore islamic countries.

This issue I have with is the tencendy the US has to try and impose its societal culture to the world.
And it isn't new.
It started way long ago in times where the English Renaissance spawned the puritans that tried to impose their presumed extremist religious moral standards to Europe and utterly failed to do so before being kicked out to a certain country named New England.
Maxyim
Profile Joined March 2012
430 Posts
October 18 2012 14:54 GMT
#2956
On October 18 2012 23:08 GreyMasta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 22:38 Maxyim wrote:
Naw I think that he just found some bath salts or something. Poor little guy; I wonder how many countries will now deny him entrance lol.


Stop thinking that US culture == World culture

tbh, he may mostly have issues with the US, the most hypocrytical sex culture nation in the world - after the hardcore islamic countries.

This issue I have with is the tencendy the US has to try and impose its societal culture to the world.
And it isn't new.
It started way long ago in times where the English Renaissance spawned the puritans that tried to impose their presumed extremist religious moral standards to Europe and utterly failed to do so before being kicked out to a certain country named New England.


I smell a derail in the works. Incidentally, isn't it a bit presumptuous for you to knock the US' culture of spreading their culture? ;-)
StreetWise
Profile Joined January 2010
United States594 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-18 15:05:53
October 18 2012 15:02 GMT
#2957
On October 18 2012 23:08 GreyMasta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 22:38 Maxyim wrote:
Naw I think that he just found some bath salts or something. Poor little guy; I wonder how many countries will now deny him entrance lol.


Stop thinking that US culture == World culture

tbh, he may mostly have issues with the US, the most hypocrytical sex culture nation in the world - after the hardcore islamic countries.

This issue I have with is the tencendy the US has to try and impose its societal culture to the world.
And it isn't new.
It started way long ago in times where the English Renaissance spawned the puritans that tried to impose their presumed extremist religious moral standards to Europe and utterly failed to do so before being kicked out to a certain country named New England.


Like it or not, US culture does influence the world. Look at just about every major movie, music hit, and yes SC2. They are American made. By viewing all this media you are influenced whether you realize it or not. And yes, EG is an American company and therefore it was through an American frosted lens that they passed their judgement on Stephano.
I will not be poisoned by your bitterness
Xialatose
Profile Joined October 2012
1 Post
October 18 2012 17:51 GMT
#2958
I am completely blown away at this. "Fans" have way too much power over the people they "support". I use those words very loosely because apparently the original definitions no longer apply in today's day and age. Those who condemned those comments and pushed their expectations on someone, who most likely was doing these types of joking comments way before he became pro, make me sick.
algorithm0r
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada486 Posts
October 18 2012 20:56 GMT
#2959
Drama threads need to go... Bring back balance threads!!!

Here I'll start: Banshees are so OP!!!
adrenalyne
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada4 Posts
October 18 2012 23:02 GMT
#2960
Lol, worst this is this wal probably all just a troll chat from stephano's. I've been in his posistion so manytimes, whrerer the one second you do soemthing thats normally totally funny, ends up beeing seen by the eyes of sensitive poepel and then complain.... Now EG has a moral and ethique obligation to suspend Stephano, just for them softies..... :s
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