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Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
October 22 2012 10:03 GMT
#2981
Stephano is pretty immature, judging from his sense of humor. You can't make jokes like that. It's not funny after the Penn State debacle. And to those guys posting in support of buggering 14 year olds . . . you have serious issues.
GoldforGolden
Profile Joined September 2012
China102 Posts
October 22 2012 10:13 GMT
#2982
On October 19 2012 09:03 v_lm wrote:
This scandal is based on a dirty joke btw ("Good morning, I raped a 14yo yesterday and i might be interested only in milfs and kids now, have a nice day Bling" is totally the kind of deep serious confessions that ur likely to make on battle.net to your buddy who are streaming...)

I would call this whole thing a joke but in fact it BEGAN with a joke, now it's a way for Stephano haters to bring him down...
I noticed that the pro community was really harsh with him too, like they're feeding the troll : I just watched state of the game and they were talking about the favourites for WCS World, they mentioned Nerchio and Scarlett but not even Stephano.

When ToD said "there is also Stephano" JP said "Well if he doesn't meet another 14yo girl again"...
Seriously that's all to say about Stephano and WCS World ?
Because everyone agrees on the fact that Protoss should rule the WCS world, now what would have been great to discuss is Stephano's chances given that he has the best ZvP in the world...

Honestly i'm not an american hater but this overreaction is just soooo silly.




Just because we want him to be punished with that stupid "dirty joke" doesn't make us a hater.
if he were to do it privately, then it's fine.
Surely not when his "buddy" was streaming to the public with the sponsor logo on the steram
We think too much, feel too little
Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
October 22 2012 10:35 GMT
#2983
On October 22 2012 19:13 GoldforGolden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 09:03 v_lm wrote:
This scandal is based on a dirty joke btw ("Good morning, I raped a 14yo yesterday and i might be interested only in milfs and kids now, have a nice day Bling" is totally the kind of deep serious confessions that ur likely to make on battle.net to your buddy who are streaming...)

I would call this whole thing a joke but in fact it BEGAN with a joke, now it's a way for Stephano haters to bring him down...
I noticed that the pro community was really harsh with him too, like they're feeding the troll : I just watched state of the game and they were talking about the favourites for WCS World, they mentioned Nerchio and Scarlett but not even Stephano.

When ToD said "there is also Stephano" JP said "Well if he doesn't meet another 14yo girl again"...
Seriously that's all to say about Stephano and WCS World ?
Because everyone agrees on the fact that Protoss should rule the WCS world, now what would have been great to discuss is Stephano's chances given that he has the best ZvP in the world...

Honestly i'm not an american hater but this overreaction is just soooo silly.




Just because we want him to be punished with that stupid "dirty joke" doesn't make us a hater.
if he were to do it privately, then it's fine.
Surely not when his "buddy" was streaming to the public with the sponsor logo on the steram


Actually it does. Do you and your friends tell jokes? This is the same shit. He told a joke. That's it. Then the community went off crying like it always does. Complaining to sponsors and everything else trying to flame him into oblivion. The sc2 community honestly sucks. You're too quick to pull the trigger because of one little joke, event or sentence. Honestly who gives a shit how these people talk. Does it have any impact on the plays they make in the game? They are manner and everything else in tournaments. I'm just tired of seeing every little "fuck up" as you would like to call them being ridden until the player is not even recognized anymore. Everyone here makes inappropriate jokes. Stop trying to get others fired for what you do.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
October 22 2012 10:39 GMT
#2984
On October 22 2012 19:35 Infernal_dream wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 19:13 GoldforGolden wrote:
On October 19 2012 09:03 v_lm wrote:
This scandal is based on a dirty joke btw ("Good morning, I raped a 14yo yesterday and i might be interested only in milfs and kids now, have a nice day Bling" is totally the kind of deep serious confessions that ur likely to make on battle.net to your buddy who are streaming...)

I would call this whole thing a joke but in fact it BEGAN with a joke, now it's a way for Stephano haters to bring him down...
I noticed that the pro community was really harsh with him too, like they're feeding the troll : I just watched state of the game and they were talking about the favourites for WCS World, they mentioned Nerchio and Scarlett but not even Stephano.

When ToD said "there is also Stephano" JP said "Well if he doesn't meet another 14yo girl again"...
Seriously that's all to say about Stephano and WCS World ?
Because everyone agrees on the fact that Protoss should rule the WCS world, now what would have been great to discuss is Stephano's chances given that he has the best ZvP in the world...

Honestly i'm not an american hater but this overreaction is just soooo silly.




Just because we want him to be punished with that stupid "dirty joke" doesn't make us a hater.
if he were to do it privately, then it's fine.
Surely not when his "buddy" was streaming to the public with the sponsor logo on the steram


Actually it does. Do you and your friends tell jokes? This is the same shit. He told a joke. That's it. Then the community went off crying like it always does. Complaining to sponsors and everything else trying to flame him into oblivion. The sc2 community honestly sucks. You're too quick to pull the trigger because of one little joke, event or sentence. Honestly who gives a shit how these people talk. Does it have any impact on the plays they make in the game? They are manner and everything else in tournaments. I'm just tired of seeing every little "fuck up" as you would like to call them being ridden until the player is not even recognized anymore. Everyone here makes inappropriate jokes. Stop trying to get others fired for what you do.

When you are popular like Stephano it's not just a friends talking dirty jokes if it gets out.
It is a widely recognized person with a couple huge sponsors saying he abused a 14 year old girl.
Like it or not, but stuff works differently when you are popular.
TeveT
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden148 Posts
October 22 2012 10:42 GMT
#2985
On October 22 2012 19:03 Salient wrote:
Stephano is pretty immature, judging from his sense of humor. You can't make jokes like that. It's not funny after the Penn State debacle. And to those guys posting in support of buggering 14 year olds . . . you have serious issues.


You have to consider that the Penn State-coach/molester isnt exactly world wide knowledge, so you have to excuse a frenchmen for not knowing about it and adjusting his (somewhat twisted) humour accordingly
KenZo-
Profile Joined December 2010
Faroe Islands190 Posts
October 22 2012 10:44 GMT
#2986
OMG who cares ?? he didn't do it in reality, and the message completely utterly suggests that as well...

Stephano has said he is sorry for the message, life goes on.. Now please people... let it go on....

Out...
Mambo
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark1338 Posts
October 22 2012 10:57 GMT
#2987
What is Penn State?
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Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-22 11:08:46
October 22 2012 11:01 GMT
#2988
On October 22 2012 19:42 TeveT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 19:03 Salient wrote:
Stephano is pretty immature, judging from his sense of humor. You can't make jokes like that. It's not funny after the Penn State debacle. And to those guys posting in support of buggering 14 year olds . . . you have serious issues.


You have to consider that the Penn State-coach/molester isnt exactly world wide knowledge, so you have to excuse a frenchmen for not knowing about it and adjusting his (somewhat twisted) humour accordingly


Maybe Stephano's comments are acceptable in France? But he is paid a lot of money to be on an international (US based) team. Imagine the PR nightmare that a professional sports team would incur if its young star player was caught making statements like that. Sponsors don't want to be associated with child molestation, not even in a joking way. So EG had to take some action.
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-22 11:07:48
October 22 2012 11:03 GMT
#2989
On October 22 2012 19:57 Mambo wrote:
What is Penn State?


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_State_child_sex_abuse_scandal
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
October 22 2012 11:15 GMT
#2990
On October 17 2012 03:12 Klondikebar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 03:02 itkovian wrote:
On October 16 2012 18:25 Isolation wrote:

re: white knight

Wasn't referring to you specifically, just similar knee-jerk reactions that lots of posters/gamers give when people start bringing political correctness discussion.

I'm not too sure what you're arguing. Are you arguing that basically the gaming community is full of immature, rude, racist, sexist, and unfunny losers, so we shouldn't try to change its image to one that is fun, open-minded, driven, and passionate group of people? Many of the popular commentators have succeed in showing the "nerd" community as what it is: a group of smart people who enjoy playing games and have fun.

Are you saying that, to you, gaming is about calling each other racial/homophobic slurs, and making sexist/inappropriate jokes? Because otherwise, I don't see why it would be wrong for the gaming community to keep these problematic behaviour in check... just like any other reasonable community.

How can you say that the community is overzealous in persecuting him? The guy only got a one month suspension. In other industries he would've been fired instantly. If anything, this is merely a symbolic gesture really, to show that EG does not condone jokes like that, and good on them. I don't want to support people who think rape jokes are cool either.

It's a simple matter; he made a stupid joke, he apologizes, he won't do it again, we move on. Him apologizing and people coming out and acknowledging the fact that it was not acceptable is an important part of moving on.

If anything, EG not punishing him would (and should) cause people to talk about this for a lot longer than they will, because they would be silently condoning his actions.


Ya, I'm sorry if my argument is coming off as vague. That's probably part of the reason you're misrepresenting it and attacking some points I never made. My arguments not really rooted around the stephano incident specifically. Its more just a rant geared towards this, and all the other similar drama events that pop up around players getting suspended/banned/criticized/ostracized. Stephano's punishment was actually rather mild when compared to the punishment others received. I'm not trying to argue against his suspension, I'm trying to argue against all the drama centered around incidents like it. Ironic, I know, because here I am contributing to it, in a way.

What my point really boils down to is this: the starcraft scene was better off before all these silly PC-campaigns started happening. That's really all I'm trying to say.


Were we really? I'm pretty sure the fighting game community is a good example of a pre-"PC Campaign" community and they're kinda gross. They are stilly heinously misogynistic and they racist/homophobic jokes are so common that you'd be hard pressed to convince any rational outside observer that it's little more than a KKK rally.

I'm honestly surprised that little incidents like these STILL spark so much objection. Time and time again community leaders have made it clear that they don't want their players/casters behaving this way. They are the ones dealing with all the money so if anyone knew how this behavior impacted business it would be them. They either don't think they can sell Starcraft to the mainstream with this behavior or these fan protests actually do financially threaten them and this change is coming internally. Either way, people who think that this is just harmless fun are in the minority (otherwise there wouldn't be action taken against players/casters).

At this point I've completely lost interest in the actual incidents and I'm genuinely fascinated by the people who, time and time again, argue that this behavior has a place in our community. Who do you really think you're going to convince?


I literally cannot agree more with this post. The naivete of some people in this community is incredible. It has been made absolutely clear that it is unacceptable, but there are still people white knighting for those doing it. You'd think people would realise that its beyond that level now; brushing it off and covering it up isn't going to work.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
erdemcan
Profile Joined August 2012
Turkey8 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-22 11:21:54
October 22 2012 11:18 GMT
#2991
On October 13 2012 08:41 morlakaix wrote:
good to know this community cares more about calling sponsors than being immature brats who have no business in these things



sad for the players that they can't even joke around without being punished

this community is getting worse and worse, everytime i see an article talking about how the esports community is drawn to "18-30" year olds, I think it's kind of bullshit since there are obviously a bunch of 15 year old prima donnas


exactly what i think
hell i love how people talk about stephano joking about illegal stuff when there is a marijuana / drug thread on teamliquid
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-22 11:32:41
October 22 2012 11:31 GMT
#2992
On October 22 2012 20:18 erdemcan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 08:41 morlakaix wrote:
good to know this community cares more about calling sponsors than being immature brats who have no business in these things



sad for the players that they can't even joke around without being punished

this community is getting worse and worse, everytime i see an article talking about how the esports community is drawn to "18-30" year olds, I think it's kind of bullshit since there are obviously a bunch of 15 year old prima donnas


exactly what i think
hell i love how people talk about stephano joking about illegal stuff when there is a marijuana / drug thread on teamliquid and people are acting as if what they are doing is incredibly cool

Eh, Stephano is getting paid to do a job and with that comes responsibility. Someone making a random post on TL have nothing to do with that.

Though you could argue EG is a bit hypocritical considering the way some of their other players have acted through the years.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
erdemcan
Profile Joined August 2012
Turkey8 Posts
October 22 2012 11:34 GMT
#2993
On October 22 2012 20:31 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 20:18 erdemcan wrote:
On October 13 2012 08:41 morlakaix wrote:
good to know this community cares more about calling sponsors than being immature brats who have no business in these things



sad for the players that they can't even joke around without being punished

this community is getting worse and worse, everytime i see an article talking about how the esports community is drawn to "18-30" year olds, I think it's kind of bullshit since there are obviously a bunch of 15 year old prima donnas


exactly what i think
hell i love how people talk about stephano joking about illegal stuff when there is a marijuana / drug thread on teamliquid and people are acting as if what they are doing is incredibly cool

Eh, Stephano is getting paid to do a job and with that comes responsibility. Someone making a random post on TL have nothing to do with that.

Though you could argue EG is a bit hypocritical considering the way some of their other players have acted through the years.


thats bullshit if liquid isnt closing the thread then it means liquid is fine with criminal activity
i think someone joking about abusing isnt as bad as team liquid encouraging drug use on their website and imo its not professional aswell
+ we all know the pedobear and no one seems troubled by that
hypocrites all of u
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
October 22 2012 12:02 GMT
#2994
Personally I think there is a "logic bug" in our societies, because it is "socially acceptable" (more or less depending upon your country) for two teenagers to have sex with each other while none of them is actually responsible for their actions (thats why minors have a different set of penalties from adults) and it is "not socially acceptable" (=illegal) for an adult who is responsible for his actions to have sex with a teenager who isnt. For the second case we seem to break the usual "innocent until proven guilty" rule for our laws.

So - to make a long story short - EITHER we should stop fooling ourselves and stop this abundance of sex between teenagers OR we stop the hypocrisy and allow sex between adults and teenagers as well. My choice clearly lies in the first version since teenagers in the midst of puberty are not clear enough of mind to judge carefully themselves.
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
October 22 2012 12:05 GMT
#2995
On October 22 2012 20:18 erdemcan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 08:41 morlakaix wrote:
good to know this community cares more about calling sponsors than being immature brats who have no business in these things



sad for the players that they can't even joke around without being punished

this community is getting worse and worse, everytime i see an article talking about how the esports community is drawn to "18-30" year olds, I think it's kind of bullshit since there are obviously a bunch of 15 year old prima donnas


exactly what i think
hell i love how people talk about stephano joking about illegal stuff when there is a marijuana / drug thread on teamliquid

kind of depressing that people don't differentiate between things that are illegal. Smoking weed, abusing a kid, murdering someone its all the same right?
Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
October 22 2012 12:05 GMT
#2996
On October 22 2012 20:34 erdemcan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 20:31 nihlon wrote:
On October 22 2012 20:18 erdemcan wrote:
On October 13 2012 08:41 morlakaix wrote:
good to know this community cares more about calling sponsors than being immature brats who have no business in these things



sad for the players that they can't even joke around without being punished

this community is getting worse and worse, everytime i see an article talking about how the esports community is drawn to "18-30" year olds, I think it's kind of bullshit since there are obviously a bunch of 15 year old prima donnas


exactly what i think
hell i love how people talk about stephano joking about illegal stuff when there is a marijuana / drug thread on teamliquid and people are acting as if what they are doing is incredibly cool

Eh, Stephano is getting paid to do a job and with that comes responsibility. Someone making a random post on TL have nothing to do with that.

Though you could argue EG is a bit hypocritical considering the way some of their other players have acted through the years.


thats bullshit if liquid isnt closing the thread then it means liquid is fine with criminal activity
i think someone joking about abusing isnt as bad as team liquid encouraging drug use on their website and imo its not professional aswell
+ we all know the pedobear and no one seems troubled by that
hypocrites all of u


you're a moron
If you can't see the difference between a public figure like Stephano talking about abusing some kid and TeamLiquid letting a thread about weed on it's forums, then I have no idea how to even begin to argue with you.

Point is, Stephano said something, on a stream, intentional or not, about something offensive. It is absolutely within EG's right (and they should) suspend him. Stephano is a public figure, like it or not. And for a e-sports team that's run on only sponsors basically, it's a huge deal.
Uriel_SVK
Profile Joined April 2010
Slovakia427 Posts
October 22 2012 12:22 GMT
#2997
Found a perfect present for Stephano in funny pics thread :D

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


User was warned for this post
OrangeApples
Profile Joined January 2011
137 Posts
October 22 2012 12:29 GMT
#2998
On October 22 2012 20:31 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 20:18 erdemcan wrote:
On October 13 2012 08:41 morlakaix wrote:
good to know this community cares more about calling sponsors than being immature brats who have no business in these things



sad for the players that they can't even joke around without being punished

this community is getting worse and worse, everytime i see an article talking about how the esports community is drawn to "18-30" year olds, I think it's kind of bullshit since there are obviously a bunch of 15 year old prima donnas


exactly what i think
hell i love how people talk about stephano joking about illegal stuff when there is a marijuana / drug thread on teamliquid and people are acting as if what they are doing is incredibly cool

Eh, Stephano is getting paid to do a job and with that comes responsibility. Someone making a random post on TL have nothing to do with that.

Though you could argue EG is a bit hypocritical considering the way some of their other players have acted through the years.


The difference is, they know where to draw the line. Stephano has always been in a sense 'out of control' at times, like when the cops had to go get him when he got completely wasted.
meatbox
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia349 Posts
October 22 2012 13:36 GMT
#2999
Stephano should leave EG, he's better than any player in NA anyway, a move to South Korea would improve his game much more.
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Denmark9376 Posts
October 22 2012 13:39 GMT
#3000
On October 22 2012 19:03 Salient wrote:
Stephano is pretty immature, judging from his sense of humor. You can't make jokes like that. It's not funny after the Penn State debacle. And to those guys posting in support of buggering 14 year olds . . . you have serious issues.


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