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On September 21 2012 09:55 wcr.4fun wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 09:53 blade55555 wrote:On September 21 2012 09:49 wcr.4fun wrote:
People are taking his opinon on sc2 zerg vs bw zerg the wrong way. He says zerg in sc2 is harder because of the injects (which are impossible to keep doing 100 percent right the entire game while doing all the other stuff) and because zerg in sc2 has NO micro. So it's a lot harder to get more results out of your army. Eh while the micro isn't intensive like terran splitting there is micro. Most people seem to think zergs just A move and win/lose. No if you just A move into an army unless you are ahead you are going to lose. For example. I have ling/bane and just A move into the terran Marine/tank army. If I just A move banelings hit whatever and zerglings take longer to get a surround. If you win the battle it will not be as decicive as if you had controlled your army so banelings hit groups of units and lings got a surround asap instead of waiting 5 seconds. Same goes with flanking, you just A move a flank without controlling the banelings or anything then you lose. Same goes in zvp as well, if zerg just A moves into a toss army with bl/corr/inf vortex will destroy the zerg and you lose. While again the micro isn't insanely intense or anything zerg has more to do then just A move. nice a-move versus right click or a-move vs move in good position and then a-move. Such hard micro :D I've played sc2 zerg myself thank you. I'm also playing brood war zerg now and mutalisk micro, scourge micro, lurker splits, while casting dark swarm, consuming zerglings, zergling micro,.......... are a lot harder than the non-existant micro in sc2.
The micro isn't non-existent. I think there is huge improvement for micro in SC2. It's just that, for Zerg especially, there's little benefit to it. The micro in SC2 might not be as "rich" as it was in BW, but that doesn't mean it's easier. In some ways, it's definitely harder (i.e. the units are smaller, have less health, have a tendency to clump up in a game where splash damage is huge, etc.). I've never seen really GODLY roach micro, much less really GODLY zergling or baneling micro, but a lot of that is because stuff like splitting units before they get hit by siege tank fire is goddamn difficult and you get so little out of it, you might as well just a-move it all with proper flanking and pre-made splits and go back to macroing. I mean, you can do "zergling micro" if you really want to, but unless you're playing a clutch ZvZ, there's little point to it.
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sweet interview can't wait to see more of Jaedong in sc2, such a well mannered gracious player, i hope he preforms well in all of his up coming tournaments ♥ ♥ ♥
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The translation must be wrong on that zerg in bw vs sc2 part. No one in their right mind thinks the mechanics of sc2 are harder than broodwars. The queen is an additional one, so in a sense that particular mechanic is harder than in bw where it didnt exist...
(no bias, love both games)
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On September 21 2012 08:16 Sumahi wrote:
I don't understand why Kespa players seem more manly than GOM players. Jaedong is but manly and sensitive looking. I can't think of a GOM player with a similar sort of style.
This is why I have a hetero sexual man crush on Bisu.
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Jd must have been smoking something when he said sc2 zerg is harder. Maybe cos he played tons of bw and got used to the crazy micro and macro late game. Not saying sc2 is easy I love both games 
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On September 21 2012 10:23 samuraibael wrote:
The translation must be wrong on that zerg in bw vs sc2 part. No one in their right mind thinks the mechanics of sc2 are harder than broodwars. The queen is an additional one, so in a sense that particular mechanic is harder than in bw where it didnt exist...
(no bias, love both games)
Most people think zerg in SC2 is harder than in BW, this isn't something new. I for one think so too, having played both races in both games. You dont have to constantly remind yourself/look at larvae injects in BW.
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On September 21 2012 10:23 samuraibael wrote:
The translation must be wrong on that zerg in bw vs sc2 part. No one in their right mind thinks the mechanics of sc2 are harder than broodwars. The queen is an additional one, so in a sense that particular mechanic is harder than in bw where it didnt exist...
(no bias, love both games)
Obviously he wasnt talking about Mechanics. Anyone that has played both games knows there is no comparison. He probably meant more difficult as in finding ways to win, since you cant separate yourself through micro and macro as much as in BW.
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Cool interview. Nice to hear his thoughts.
I'm just dumb founded people can't take it for what it is.
"HE CANT POSSIBLY BE SAYING THAT!, HE MEANT THIS, HE MEANT THAT"
Go interview him yourself and get a real answer before you misconstrue his answers to correlate with your cause.
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Awww great interview from Jaedong
Such a cool guy and some great responses to the questions!
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On September 21 2012 10:38 smOOthMayDie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 10:23 samuraibael wrote:
The translation must be wrong on that zerg in bw vs sc2 part. No one in their right mind thinks the mechanics of sc2 are harder than broodwars. The queen is an additional one, so in a sense that particular mechanic is harder than in bw where it didnt exist...
(no bias, love both games) Most people think zerg in SC2 is harder than in BW, this isn't something new. I for one think so too, having played both races in both games. You dont have to constantly remind yourself/look at larvae injects in BW.
Since when do most ppl think that? And have you even seen bw late game zerg?
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On September 21 2012 10:38 smOOthMayDie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 10:23 samuraibael wrote:
The translation must be wrong on that zerg in bw vs sc2 part. No one in their right mind thinks the mechanics of sc2 are harder than broodwars. The queen is an additional one, so in a sense that particular mechanic is harder than in bw where it didnt exist...
(no bias, love both games) Most people think zerg in SC2 is harder than in BW, this isn't something new. I for one think so too, having played both races in both games. You dont have to constantly remind yourself/look at larvae injects in BW.
If you really played BW zerg seriously, you will know how hard it is to control units. The basic one, Zerglings, all over the map, they die in vain without good control, and you can't hotkey them, too many. Let alone defiler, lurker, mutalisk control, some pro level defiler control is pure artwork.
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every jaedong interview = <3
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i adapted a easier way of getting by forgetting to inject, build more hatcheries. lol
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Love jaedong! Great interview, thanks!
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"I played Terran because it's hard to win vs Zerg, but then I thought 'Why not pick Zerg?'"
Does that mean he was Protoss o_O?
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HoTs: The Rise of JaeDong
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much less really GODLY zergling or baneling micro,.
Watch Effort vs DRG from WCS korea, game 3. You're welcome :p
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On September 21 2012 11:02 Dante08 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 10:38 smOOthMayDie wrote:On September 21 2012 10:23 samuraibael wrote:
The translation must be wrong on that zerg in bw vs sc2 part. No one in their right mind thinks the mechanics of sc2 are harder than broodwars. The queen is an additional one, so in a sense that particular mechanic is harder than in bw where it didnt exist...
(no bias, love both games) Most people think zerg in SC2 is harder than in BW, this isn't something new. I for one think so too, having played both races in both games. You dont have to constantly remind yourself/look at larvae injects in BW. Since when do most ppl think that? And have you even seen bw late game zerg?
Indeed. Manage lot of control groups of 12 zerlings (the harder part, when you have more than 12 hatcherys producting zerlings and ultras), consume zerlings one by one with defilers, use dark swarms fast while moving lot of control groups inside, clone groups of scourges to kill vessels (5 actions for kill 2 vessels, 8 actions for kill 3 vessel, etc.), flanks, sourrounds, doom drops versus protoss, borrowand unborrow lurker every few seconds (lurker danger range is a less that swarmhost).
It is not comparable with A-move with all the army and use fungal. Lategame Zerg in BW is one of the harder things to play I have seen. I think Jaedong says "Zerg in SC2 is hard because I cant win with pure micro like in BW".
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Just watch a jaedong fpvod(or any later era bw pro) then watch one of the pro sc2 streamers on the tl sidebar. You will notice a significant difference in mechanics.
jaedong fpvod
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