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[Interview]8th team's Jaedong talks about HOTS - Page 8

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sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2547 Posts
September 22 2012 05:30 GMT
#141
On September 21 2012 05:26 Labbetuss wrote:
This interview is really good. Thanks for translating! Even though I'm a Flash fan, it's hard not to love JD also.


Flash fans should love Jaedong, just like Jaedong fans should love Flash. They just played so many epic games in finals!

[image loading]

They shared top 1 and 2 spot for so long..

And btw thanks for the translation :D
Jaedong Fighting! | youtube.com/ZikGaming
LuckyMacro
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1482 Posts
September 22 2012 05:50 GMT
#142
Oh dear god, one sentence comparing BW and SC2 from Jaedong and this thread is destroyed roflmao. Of course he prob finds sc2 zerg harder to play, he's used to years and years and years of BW zerg...which some might argue isn't really all that similar to sc2 zerg (stylistically speaking).
willfeeling
Profile Joined August 2012
China97 Posts
September 22 2012 07:40 GMT
#143
nice Interview

JD, i feel he can be a sc2 king
AzureSekaii
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada6 Posts
October 09 2012 01:53 GMT
#144
I understand of him wanting to be a zerg player instead of Terran when your going in a higher league.
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 02:48:33
October 09 2012 02:18 GMT
#145
*sigh* Jaedong finds SC2 zerg harder than BW zerg because of the lower skill ceiling. Although both games have a skill ceiling well beyond human capabilities, the way BW's skill ceiling worked meant pros had more "wiggle room" in terms of what they can do better than everyone else.
For instance, no one in BW had perfect macro, much less if they were trying to micro at the same time. Yet, in SC2, this is the norm. In SC2, there is less of that "wiggle room" with what you can do to make yourself better than the other player.
What this means is that he can't just micro his way to walkover wins anymore. He actually has to put forward much more effort to get the same results.
I thought this was obvious, but whatever. Anyways, this is a rather interesting point. Although having a high skill cap is really good, when winning can be done easily, is the high skill cap really all that good? You can achieve the same win rate in SC2 as in BW, but in order to do that, you'll need to be a LOT better than the rest than you would need to be in BW.
It is certainly an interesting point to think about.
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X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
October 09 2012 02:36 GMT
#146
On October 09 2012 10:53 AzureSekaii wrote:
I understand of him wanting to be a zerg player instead of Terran when your going in a higher league.


that part of the context is about his bw years, sigh, terrans really are dumb.
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Th30nE
Profile Joined July 2010
United States44 Posts
October 09 2012 02:47 GMT
#147
necro on a JD thread is evil.
play hard, train hard, focus, be happy.
StateofReverie
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States633 Posts
October 09 2012 03:03 GMT
#148
jaedong's determination and reasons are so awesome
phrenzy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom478 Posts
October 09 2012 03:31 GMT
#149
On October 09 2012 11:18 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
*sigh* Jaedong finds SC2 zerg harder than BW zerg because of the lower skill ceiling. Although both games have a skill ceiling well beyond human capabilities, the way BW's skill ceiling worked meant pros had more "wiggle room" in terms of what they can do better than everyone else.
For instance, no one in BW had perfect macro, much less if they were trying to micro at the same time. Yet, in SC2, this is the norm. In SC2, there is less of that "wiggle room" with what you can do to make yourself better than the other player.
What this means is that he can't just micro his way to walkover wins anymore. He actually has to put forward much more effort to get the same results.
I thought this was obvious, but whatever. Anyways, this is a rather interesting point. Although having a high skill cap is really good, when winning can be done easily, is the high skill cap really all that good? You can achieve the same win rate in SC2 as in BW, but in order to do that, you'll need to be a LOT better than the rest than you would need to be in BW.
It is certainly an interesting point to think about.



He was specifically talking about production abilities. In BW you didn't have to worry about spawning larvae. In SC2 you have to constantly do it even if you are maxed, i can easily understand how that is more taxing than just having more hatcheries. And his thoughts on the micro abilities of the game, i would agree its way harder to surround because all the races have much more fluid movement. This is what makes SC2 harder than Broodwar. The easier aspects of the game compared to BW come down to Hotkey mapping and Multiple building selection.

Everyone can tell just by watching a zerg game that when they spread creep shows a decent ability to multitask but we rarely get a glimpse of their queens 22 minutes into the game to see how on top are they when it comes to injections. Its hard to measure when just watching GSL/MLG etc unless a caster points it out. And even then micro is so important, just being on top of your production doesn't, and shouldn't equal a free win.
rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 04:00:07
October 09 2012 03:46 GMT
#150
thanks for the translation, now im really curious what parting said.

edit: found it; it's an issue that got started by a reporter leaving some stuff out of his interview, but then got escalated by both sides. Here's a link that explains the situation in Korean, and here's a brief cap in English:

Parting was asked to rate the Kespa players in an OSL Dual Tournament interview. Before the interview he announced that he was going to play the villain role in the whole ESF vs Kespa situation for laughs, and in the interview he said "Since I am confident in my skill level compared to Kespa players, I'll be treating them as bonuses and picking Kespa players during group nominations." However, the website conducting the interview conveniently leaves out what he said before the interview and reports that, which of course causes a shit storm. Then one of the Kespa team coaches [don't know which one] tweets that Parting needs to learn some manners. In response to this, Parting's side starts spreading a picture of (Z)n.Die_soO talking shit about his own parents [not sure how you can capture that in a picture, but that's what it says], saying Kespa players don't really have much to talk about when it comes to basic manners, and this goes viral. The coach apologizes over twitter, but then Parting responds by saying if what he said in the original interview makes kespa players mad, they should prove it wrong by beating him fair and square.
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Fueled
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1610 Posts
October 09 2012 04:22 GMT
#151
Thank you for the interview! Very interesting.
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RyanRushia
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2748 Posts
October 09 2012 05:01 GMT
#152
wow awesome interview, great to see more about him
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Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
October 09 2012 05:13 GMT
#153
Thanks to OP for the interview, and thanks to rotinegg for the additional information.
o choro é livre
khaydarin9
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia423 Posts
October 09 2012 05:22 GMT
#154
On October 09 2012 12:46 rotinegg wrote:
thanks for the translation, now im really curious what parting said.

edit: found it; it's an issue that got started by a reporter leaving some stuff out of his interview, but then got escalated by both sides. Here's a link that explains the situation in Korean, and here's a brief cap in English:

Parting was asked to rate the Kespa players in an OSL Dual Tournament interview. Before the interview he announced that he was going to play the villain role in the whole ESF vs Kespa situation for laughs, and in the interview he said "Since I am confident in my skill level compared to Kespa players, I'll be treating them as bonuses and picking Kespa players during group nominations." However, the website conducting the interview conveniently leaves out what he said before the interview and reports that, which of course causes a shit storm. Then one of the Kespa team coaches [don't know which one] tweets that Parting needs to learn some manners. In response to this, Parting's side starts spreading a picture of (Z)n.Die_soO talking shit about his own parents [not sure how you can capture that in a picture, but that's what it says], saying Kespa players don't really have much to talk about when it comes to basic manners, and this goes viral. The coach apologizes over twitter, but then Parting responds by saying if what he said in the original interview makes kespa players mad, they should prove it wrong by beating him fair and square.


Thanks for the recap. Sounds like Parting's starting (rhyme!) to grow quite the reputation for talking shit, but everyone seems to speak highly of him as a person.

Also, much Jaedong love. That photo of him signing the BroodWar chest with Flash makes me so freaking envious.
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J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 05:48:36
October 09 2012 05:48 GMT
#155
On September 22 2012 14:30 sM.Zik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 05:26 Labbetuss wrote:
This interview is really good. Thanks for translating! Even though I'm a Flash fan, it's hard not to love JD also.


Flash fans should love Jaedong, just like Jaedong fans should love Flash. They just played so many epic games in finals!

[image loading]

They shared top 1 and 2 spot for so long..

And btw thanks for the translation :D

Even when he was beating Flash and his fans were at their most annoying I still respected Jaedong. I don't think Flash would've reached the heights he did without Jaedong, and vice versa. They were both better players because of each other.
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2547 Posts
October 09 2012 05:53 GMT
#156
On October 09 2012 14:48 J1.au wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 14:30 sM.Zik wrote:
On September 21 2012 05:26 Labbetuss wrote:
This interview is really good. Thanks for translating! Even though I'm a Flash fan, it's hard not to love JD also.


Flash fans should love Jaedong, just like Jaedong fans should love Flash. They just played so many epic games in finals!

[image loading]

They shared top 1 and 2 spot for so long..

And btw thanks for the translation :D

Even when he was beating Flash and his fans were at their most annoying I still respected Jaedong. I don't think Flash would've reached the heights he did without Jaedong, and vice versa. They were both better players because of each other.


Yes, exactly !
Jaedong Fighting! | youtube.com/ZikGaming
dnld12
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States324 Posts
October 09 2012 05:59 GMT
#157
I personally think that SC2's Zerg is harder to play than BW's Zerg, because in SC2, player should spawn larvae with Queens to produce units 'Zergishly'. This should be done during whole play time, so it requires more physical ability than before.

And also SC2 has less variables in micro-control such as Zergling micro or Mutalisk micro. I can overwhelm my opponent only with micro-conrol in BW games but I can't do that in SC2. But I think there are many unrevealed elements in SC2 and I expect we can show you more in the future.

....

Well now we have something to talk about that is relevant from the big name.

ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM YOU MAY NOW LEAVE THE ROOM!!!!!!
When life gives you Stalkers, Get blink.
Burns
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2300 Posts
October 09 2012 06:31 GMT
#158
WHAT 3 hours of sleep a night, how do you even stay alive at that point. sick dedication though wow
What do you mean you heard me during the night, these are quiet pants!
MateShade
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia736 Posts
October 09 2012 06:47 GMT
#159
On September 21 2012 07:27 wangstra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 07:24 Coated wrote:
I did not want to make this a zerg 'OP' thread, but with the quote from a gamer of his caliber i had too.

"I chose Terran for my first main race but I couldn't win the high level Zerg players. So I was very disappointed with myself for a while, and suddenly I found a good idea came to my mind. Why should I play Terran? Playing Zerg will solve the problem! (laugh)"

Yea, as has been said 100 times over, if you are a Terran diamond, then you will be a zerg master. If you are a Terran Masters, you will be a zerg GM. etc, etc. Easy mode race.


Facepalm. He was talking about BW.

Yeah and it's even funnier that the one player who could steal JD's 'greatest player of all time' trophy was a Terran. Some people..
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28087 Posts
October 09 2012 06:49 GMT
#160
Jaedong is such a cool guy. Great interview
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