Hi guys, I have Jaedong's interview posted on Korean webzine 'Inven'
My English skill is not perfect so there might be some mistakes T.T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
There is a player who has scary nicknames such as 'Tyrant', 'Legand Killer'. But when he is playing in the eSports Stadium, the stage turns balmily with his female fans.
That player is, 8th team's Jaedong.
He has won several OSL, and MSL championship, one of the legends in Starcraft : Broodwar (Starcraft 1) and also called as 'Tyrant', but unlike his scary nickname, he is a handsome guy and has many female fans. We've been thinking what we could talk about with him, and suddenly we had a chance to talk with him about Starcraft series, and the Heart of the Swarm (HOTS).
Jaedong had a soft appearance to us, despite he has a strong image in the games. We could easily and comfortably talk with him thanks to his soft and kind impression.
Hello Jaedong, could you say hello to our readers?
Hello! I'm Jaedong, currently playing in KeSPA's the 8th Team. I've heard a lot about the webzine 'Inven' and I'm so glad to have this interview. I hope you enjoy my stories.
How did you start playing Starcraft?
When I was an elementary school student, I played it with my friends in PC Cafe.
Then, I dreamed of being a progamer when I was 16 years old. There was a 'Starcraft Boom' in Korea, so we saw many professional players through mass media, and their fan also, I think most of progamers have similar beginning.
A posting of your complaint about your school's compulsive self-study time has been an issue in the past. Is that really your post?
Yes it is. (laugh) I feel bashful about that nowadays.
It was so hard to prepare being a progamer while attending all school curriculum. School works were not helpful in being a progamer so I thought I was kind of wasting time in schoold. I had to go school early in the morning and came back home in late night so I didn't have enough time to practice. At that time, progamer was an unfamiliar job to people so school didn't understood me.
That issue reminds me of old memories again, interesting.
Then how did you negotiated with you school? and your parents also.
I didn't give up persuading my HR teacher, and he finally permitted my absence for practice.
Of course my parents opposed my decision also. But they know my stubbornness. (laugh) I've negotiated with my parents for a long time and finally I've got the permission and a condition. They said that they will allow me to be a professional gamer when I go to academic high school. So I stuck on studying to pass the exam for half a month, sleeping only 3 hours per day. Finally I've entered the academic high school and I've proved them I can do whatever I want. Then I became a progamer.
Recently in OSL group selecting ceremony, many stories about player's trainee days were very issued. How was your trainee days?
Of course I had such days. (laugh)
I also started the progamer life from the bottom, so I did all kinds of housework such as dish washing, or cleaning... but it's kind of necessary huddle to be a progamer so I just endured that with my will.
Why did you select Zerg as your main race?
When I started playing game, I played all the races.
I chose Terran for my first main race but I couldn't win the high level Zerg players. So I was very disappointed with myself for a while, and suddenly I found a good idea came to my mind. Why should I play Terran? Playing Zerg will solve the problem! (laugh)
How did you overcome your slumps during your progamer life?
No one can always win, but when the results become worse, many gossips start to come out.
Even though the performance in game was not good, I try to keep my positive mind that I can overcome the hard times by myself. And that helped me to recover my condition very much. Actually I was so busy to think about myself, so I couldn't realize that myself is in a slump. I prepared for my next game as best as I can always, and that lead me to a highest place I could imagine.
You were the one of "Taek–Bang–Lee–Ssang", the Brood war legends, how did you come to start playing Starcraft 2?
I didn't played Starcraft 2 : Wings of Liberty during the Beta test.
I wasn't interested in new league or something. I was a Brood war progamer and I had to concentrated on Starleague and Proleague, so I thought when I'm concerned with Starcraft 2, my results will become worse, so I just kept my mind concentrated on my job.
I started to play SC2 when it was selected as official game for Proleague. I practiced with VODs of other progamers, but it was not to follow what they do, it was to absorb their strength. Top class players, such as Nestea and DRG have their own style, so I thought I also need my own style of playing.
You're playing Zerg in both BW and SC2. What are the similarities and differences? Similarities first?
Zerg only have one production building, the Hatchery. Protoss and Terran have limited units that can be produced in a building, but Zerg can make all the units with this larvae, Overlords, Ultralisks, and so on. So this is the main similarity of BW and SC2's Zerg.
The main difference of Zerg in both games, if the Queen. I personally think that SC2's Zerg is harder to play than BW's Zerg, because in SC2, player should spawn larvae with Queens to produce units 'Zergishly'. This should be done during whole play time, so it requires more physical ability than before.
And also SC2 has less variables in micro-control such as Zergling micro or Mutalisk micro. I can overwhelm my opponent only with micro-conrol in BW games but I can't do that in SC2. But I think there are many unrevealed elements in SC2 and I expect we can show you more in the future.
Anyway your records in Proleague is far good, and you've taken some victories in the Ace match.
Many of our team's fans come to watch us playing even though the broadcast is in daytime of weekday.
They cheer for us a lot, so we can gain strength from their cheers. The will for the victory becomes more solid with the cheers, and especially I feel I'm doing far better than my ability because of the competitive mind of myself.
This season seems to be important for both me and my team. We're looking for our sponsor to be founded, so we need a good result in this season. Me, my teammates, coaching staffs are all doing their best to end this season with a good result. Victory in this Proleague would be best. It's been a long time from my last final stage, so I wish I could carry my team to the Grand finals, and hold the Champion's Trophy with my own hand.
You have had your debut game in individual SC2 tournament in the WCS tournament. How did you feel?
I felt more comfortable to participate than Proleague.
Federation's players are far better now, and I came to the tournament to learn and experience the new game. Even though I lost my first game, the games with eSports Federation's players gave me the confidence about myself. The rivalry between Federation and KeSPA is issued these days, and many people counted on me a lot, but I wasn't satisfied with my ability so I thought I'll not mind the defeat in this tournament. But anyway I won few games and I was happy to feel myself growing. (laugh)
Now you must be get used to SC2, and we're going to have the new expansion, HOTS, next year. Did you play HOTS in last MLG?
Yes, I've played it for the first time in las MLG Spring Chamionship.
It had many interesting new units. The basic elements were similar with Wings of Liberty but the application of new units seemed important.
Zerg has 2 new units, Swarm host and Viper, and new ability is added to Ultralisks. Viper can pull enemy unit closely, and also has an ability similar to the Dark Swarm of BW. This unit seems to be researched a lot more than now to talk about.
Swarm Host is a unit that produces Locusts every 25 seconds, it's similar to the Lurkers in BW. I thought this unit will be very useful when I first heard about it. (laugh) It can make the enemy annoyed.
Ultralisk's new ability... is just COOL! I think the audience will love to see this ability in the games.
Did you played as other races, or use other new units?
No I didn't played Protoss or Terran, I just faced them with Zerg. (laugh)
Terran's Widow Mine and Protoss' Tempests were interesting. Especially it was embarrassing to see Tempests destroying my base out of my sight.
By the way, we've saw you shouting your hello very loud in MLG stage, There are many fans willing to see that in Korean stage.
I also want to do such special greetings to Korean fans.
But it's hard to get a chance. You might think it's excuse, but I'm trying to show something different.
Recently both KeSPA and Federation's players are now competing in the same league, and also many interesting stories are being made between them. Among them, how do you think about Parting, who sent message to all 8th Team players?
I was very embarrassed to see a player saying that rude words.
I don't like a person who is all talk and no action. But I've heard from people around me that Parting is a kind guy, not a rude guy. So I think he just wanted to be focused and issued. (laugh) Later when I become more close with him, I think I can get on with him well.
For the last question, how do you want to be remembered to your fans?
I've started to play as Progamer from SC:BW, and now I'm playing Wings of Liberty, and going to play Heart of the Swarm next year.
To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that.
Personally I'm looking forward to play HOTS. But anyway I want to show people my ability in Wings of Liberty, this is my goal now, and also I will do my best to show myself always fighting against top players in HOTS, I want to prove myself always.
And for the last, I want to tell my fans I always love you. (laugh)
Thank you Jeadong for saying some aspects of SC2 are harder than BW and that there are still un-revealed elements in SC2 to be revealed in the future. There's too many people that dislike SC2 for the simple fact that it's unlike BW but perhaps a legend of JD can begin to convince those people to enjoy SC2 for what it is.
Recently both KeSPA and Federation's players are now competing in the same league, and also many interesting stories are being made between them. Among them, how do you think about Parting, who sent message to all 8th Team players?
I was very embarrassed to see a player saying that rude words.
I don't like a person who is all talk and no action. But I've heard from people around me that Parting is a kind guy, not a rude guy. So I think he just wanted to be focused and issued. (laugh) Later when I become more close with him, I think I can get on with him well.
I chose Terran for my first main race but I couldn't win the high level Zerg players. So I was very disappointed with myself for a while, and suddenly I found a good idea came to my mind. Why should I play Terran? Playing Zerg will solve the problem! - jaedong
Well :D if he can't ;> ~
and ofc thanks for translating the interview , glad you did this ! And this is far more than just about HOTS ;D!
On September 21 2012 04:03 ntssauce wrote: I chose Terran for my first main race but I couldn't win the high level Zerg players. So I was very disappointed with myself for a while, and suddenly I found a good idea came to my mind. Why should I play Terran? Playing Zerg will solve the problem! - jaedong
Well :D if he can't ;> ~
and ofc thanks for translating the interview , glad you did this ! And this is far more than just about HOTS ;D!
He was talking about bw when he said that .
Great interview, I always love reading Jaedong interviews thanks for translation ^_^
My Starcraft 2 box with Jaedong's signature is my most treasured possession and this interview just goes to show why. Meeting him at MLG was amazing and something I never suspected I would ever have to opportunity to do, and just goes to show how much he loves his fans. Gogo Jaedong thanks for the interview!!
I personally think that SC2's Zerg is harder to play than BW's Zerg
Vindicated! I can't wait to see Jaedong play with Vipers, I can skip the WoL stuff and dive right into his fresh HOTS strats and play style. Man, I hope he prefers Sauron Zerg, we need another July
And also SC2 has less variables in micro-control such as Zergling micro or Mutalisk micro. I can overwhelm my opponent only with micro-conrol in BW games but I can't do that in SC2. But I think there are many unrevealed elements in SC2 and I expect we can show you more in the future.
Thank you so much for this interview seron! It is very apreciated. I always enjoy reading Jaedong's interviews, but this was more interesting than usual.
To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that.
Jaedong is my role model. I just love this guy.
And also SC2 has less variables in micro-control such as Zergling micro or Mutalisk micro. I can overwhelm my opponent only with micro-conrol in BW games but I can't do that in SC2.
And this is, in two sentences, the explanation to why sc2 is a bad game.
On September 21 2012 06:11 Elroi wrote: Thank you so much for this interview seron! It is very apreciated. I always enjoy reading Jaedong's interviews, but this was more interesting than usual.
To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that.
And also SC2 has less variables in micro-control such as Zergling micro or Mutalisk micro. I can overwhelm my opponent only with micro-conrol in BW games but I can't do that in SC2.
And this is, in two sentences, the explanation to why sc2 is a bad game.
SC2 is a bad game? Too bad your role model seems to disagree with you.
Seems like a very modest and intelligent guy, just as I'd expect from someone with his repute and legendary status. Very interesting that he says SC2 Z is harder than BW Z, wish some people here on the forums took note of that.
On September 21 2012 06:11 Elroi wrote: Thank you so much for this interview seron! It is very apreciated. I always enjoy reading Jaedong's interviews, but this was more interesting than usual.
To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that.
And also SC2 has less variables in micro-control such as Zergling micro or Mutalisk micro. I can overwhelm my opponent only with micro-conrol in BW games but I can't do that in SC2.
And this is, in two sentences, the explanation to why sc2 is a bad game.
Why bash the game your role model plays? :/ And why pick part of a paragraph, but ignore the second part?
But I think there are many unrevealed elements in SC2 and I expect we can show you more in the future.
On September 21 2012 06:11 Elroi wrote: Thank you so much for this interview seron! It is very apreciated. I always enjoy reading Jaedong's interviews, but this was more interesting than usual.
To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that.
And also SC2 has less variables in micro-control such as Zergling micro or Mutalisk micro. I can overwhelm my opponent only with micro-conrol in BW games but I can't do that in SC2.
And this is, in two sentences, the explanation to why sc2 is a bad game.
your role model also said sc2 is harder to play for zerg. where is your god now?
Many of you guys obviously did not follow or even watch a single game of BW and are completely misunderstanding the context. In BW, zerglings and mutas were much more microable than they are in SC2. Jaedong was able to win plenty of games on zergling/muta micro alone. He can't do that anymore in SC2 so it's harder for him. Without the strength of his zergling/mutalisk micro, he's nowhere near the dominant player he was at his peak.
On September 21 2012 06:33 andrewlt wrote: Many of you guys obviously did not follow or even watch a single game of BW and are completely misunderstanding the context. In BW, zerglings and mutas were much more microable than they are in SC2. Jaedong was able to win plenty of games on zergling/muta micro alone. He can't do that anymore in SC2 so it's harder for him. Without the strength of his zergling/mutalisk micro, he's nowhere near the dominant player he was at his peak.
He'll find other areas where he can outskill his opponents. He says inject is harder than any BW mechanic, so much for SC2 mechanics being too easy...
He also says he believes there are yet undiscovered elements. He doesn't seem to think the skillcap has been reached.
I did not want to make this a zerg 'OP' thread, but with the quote from a gamer of his caliber i had too.
"I chose Terran for my first main race but I couldn't win the high level Zerg players. So I was very disappointed with myself for a while, and suddenly I found a good idea came to my mind. Why should I play Terran? Playing Zerg will solve the problem! (laugh)"
Yea, as has been said 100 times over, if you are a Terran diamond, then you will be a zerg master. If you are a Terran Masters, you will be a zerg GM. etc, etc. Easy mode race.
On September 21 2012 06:33 andrewlt wrote: Many of you guys obviously did not follow or even watch a single game of BW and are completely misunderstanding the context. In BW, zerglings and mutas were much more microable than they are in SC2. Jaedong was able to win plenty of games on zergling/muta micro alone. He can't do that anymore in SC2 so it's harder for him. Without the strength of his zergling/mutalisk micro, he's nowhere near the dominant player he was at his peak.
Precisely. I don't understand all the posts thanking him. He just said a lot of his micro skills have been negated by SC2 design and the queen mechanic requiring constant inject is physically demanding. Now wonder its harder!
On September 21 2012 07:24 Coated wrote: I did not want to make this a zerg 'OP' thread, but with the quote from a gamer of his caliber i had too.
"I chose Terran for my first main race but I couldn't win the high level Zerg players. So I was very disappointed with myself for a while, and suddenly I found a good idea came to my mind. Why should I play Terran? Playing Zerg will solve the problem! (laugh)"
Yea, as has been said 100 times over, if you are a Terran diamond, then you will be a zerg master. If you are a Terran Masters, you will be a zerg GM. etc, etc. Easy mode race.
On September 21 2012 06:33 andrewlt wrote: Many of you guys obviously did not follow or even watch a single game of BW and are completely misunderstanding the context. In BW, zerglings and mutas were much more microable than they are in SC2. Jaedong was able to win plenty of games on zergling/muta micro alone. He can't do that anymore in SC2 so it's harder for him. Without the strength of his zergling/mutalisk micro, he's nowhere near the dominant player he was at his peak.
Precisely. I don't understand all the posts thanking him. He just said a lot of his micro skills have been negated by SC2 design and the queen mechanic requiring constant inject is physically demanding. Now wonder its harder!
The difference in SC2 micro and BW micro is obvious. I'm actually very surprised that he said the queen mechanic is more physically demanding than having to go back to each base individually and send drones to mine though ...
Jaedong interview is great as usual. I started watching BW about the time when Jaedong began his reign by beating Stork. jaedong's "death stare" is probably what he mentioned in " I can overwhelm my opponent only with micro-conrol in BW games but I can't do that in SC2." His muta-micro in all match-ups (especialy his godlike 80%+ZvZ and ~60% ZvT) made my jaw drop and realize how beautiful BW could be. I'll never forget how Jaedong beat Fantasy in 5 games for the OSL, denying my favourite player his royal road attempt. T_T Jaedong is a beast, I hated you for beating Fantasy with a 4 pool on a huge 4 player map but I've grown to love the determination and force of will of Lee JaeDong.
Lol @ the people cherrypicking quotes from the interview going "Lol yup SC2 sucks, just look at what JD is saying here". Nice job ignoring the fact that overall, Jaedong seems enthusiastic about the game. And it's fun seeing people spin JD saying that SC2 Zerg is harder than BW Zerg to try to just make it sound like JD is somehow implying that SC2 Zerg mechanics suck, or something. Even if you guys personally think SC2 is vastly inferior to BW (in difficulty, complexity, or whatever), it's so silly to see people trying to spin JD's words to make them align with that view.
On September 21 2012 07:35 HolyArrow wrote: Lol @ the people cherrypicking quotes from the interview going "Lol yup SC2 sucks, just look at what JD is saying here". Nice job ignoring the fact that overall, Jaedong seems enthusiastic about the game. And it's fun seeing people spin JD saying that SC2 Zerg is harder than BW Zerg to try to just make it sound like JD is somehow implying that SC2 Zerg mechanics suck, or something. Even if you guys personally think SC2 is vastly inferior to BW (in difficulty, complexity, or whatever), it's so silly to see people trying to spin JD's words to make them align with that view.
Well...you can't really prove otherwise, can you now? lol You can't counter argue that with enough evidence of your own.
ya kinda shocking that he says that the queen mechanic is harder. I think doing 4sd5sd6sd7sd8sd etc, etc thoughout the entire game is more physically demanding xD
On September 21 2012 06:33 andrewlt wrote: Many of you guys obviously did not follow or even watch a single game of BW and are completely misunderstanding the context. In BW, zerglings and mutas were much more microable than they are in SC2. Jaedong was able to win plenty of games on zergling/muta micro alone. He can't do that anymore in SC2 so it's harder for him. Without the strength of his zergling/mutalisk micro, he's nowhere near the dominant player he was at his peak.
Precisely. I don't understand all the posts thanking him. He just said a lot of his micro skills have been negated by SC2 design and the queen mechanic requiring constant inject is physically demanding. Now wonder its harder!
The difference in SC2 micro and BW micro is obvious. I'm actually very surprised that he said the queen mechanic is more physically demanding than having to go back to each base individually and send drones to mine though ...
well you dont do that all game, and you inject many more times per game of SC2 than you tell drones to mine in BW. Even counting all the remade ones.
It would really be nice if mutas were more microable. Seeing JD's muta control in SC2 would be amazing. Well, let's hope he's right about the many unexplored avenues
On September 21 2012 07:35 HolyArrow wrote: Lol @ the people cherrypicking quotes from the interview going "Lol yup SC2 sucks, just look at what JD is saying here". Nice job ignoring the fact that overall, Jaedong seems enthusiastic about the game. And it's fun seeing people spin JD saying that SC2 Zerg is harder than BW Zerg to try to just make it sound like JD is somehow implying that SC2 Zerg mechanics suck, or something. Even if you guys personally think SC2 is vastly inferior to BW (in difficulty, complexity, or whatever), it's so silly to see people trying to spin JD's words to make them align with that view.
Well...you can't really prove otherwise, can you now? lol You can't counter argue that with enough evidence of your own.
I don't know how you can argue his point if you read the whole interview instead of cherrypicking tidbits. If we can't agree on "read the interview" as basis ("evidence") for an argument we are at the point where we should agree to disagree.
On September 21 2012 06:33 andrewlt wrote: Many of you guys obviously did not follow or even watch a single game of BW and are completely misunderstanding the context. In BW, zerglings and mutas were much more microable than they are in SC2. Jaedong was able to win plenty of games on zergling/muta micro alone. He can't do that anymore in SC2 so it's harder for him. Without the strength of his zergling/mutalisk micro, he's nowhere near the dominant player he was at his peak.
Precisely. I don't understand all the posts thanking him. He just said a lot of his micro skills have been negated by SC2 design and the queen mechanic requiring constant inject is physically demanding. Now wonder its harder!
The difference in SC2 micro and BW micro is obvious. I'm actually very surprised that he said the queen mechanic is more physically demanding than having to go back to each base individually and send drones to mine though ...
The thing is at some point you stop building drones.
At no point in SC2 should you ever stop injecting unless you want to lose.
Nice interview, i'm beginning to like his personality more and more
As for comments on wol, hots and bw, i don't really get the fuss some people make. Imo it's all correct and clear. People judging a game with his words are reading too much into this.
On September 21 2012 06:42 Acer1791 wrote: just one question, cause i didnt follow bw that much..^^
how can you micro lings more in bw, i mean they are melee Oo
You can only select/hotkey 12 Zerglings at once in BW as opposed to every single one you have in SC2. They were also a lot more 'stupid' in BW, they wouldn't surround stuff properly and would try to all attack from one angle and get kind of stuck, so you had to manually split them around units and then A-click so they would properly surround. In SC2 you mostly see people just A-click their Lings, or move command all of them so they wrap around the opponent's army then A-click.
On September 21 2012 07:35 HolyArrow wrote: Lol @ the people cherrypicking quotes from the interview going "Lol yup SC2 sucks, just look at what JD is saying here". Nice job ignoring the fact that overall, Jaedong seems enthusiastic about the game. And it's fun seeing people spin JD saying that SC2 Zerg is harder than BW Zerg to try to just make it sound like JD is somehow implying that SC2 Zerg mechanics suck, or something. Even if you guys personally think SC2 is vastly inferior to BW (in difficulty, complexity, or whatever), it's so silly to see people trying to spin JD's words to make them align with that view.
Well...you can't really prove otherwise, can you now? lol You can't counter argue that with enough evidence of your own.
I don't know how you can argue his point if you read the whole interview instead of cherrypicking tidbits. If we can't agree on "read the interview" as basis ("evidence") for an argument we are at the point where we should agree to disagree.
There's no point arguing, because people very rarely change their opinions on anything. People read what they want to read, not what is said. Just let them.
On September 21 2012 07:35 HolyArrow wrote: Lol @ the people cherrypicking quotes from the interview going "Lol yup SC2 sucks, just look at what JD is saying here". Nice job ignoring the fact that overall, Jaedong seems enthusiastic about the game. And it's fun seeing people spin JD saying that SC2 Zerg is harder than BW Zerg to try to just make it sound like JD is somehow implying that SC2 Zerg mechanics suck, or something. Even if you guys personally think SC2 is vastly inferior to BW (in difficulty, complexity, or whatever), it's so silly to see people trying to spin JD's words to make them align with that view.
Well...you can't really prove otherwise, can you now? lol You can't counter argue that with enough evidence of your own.
I don't know how you can argue his point if you read the whole interview instead of cherrypicking tidbits. If we can't agree on "read the interview" as basis ("evidence") for an argument we are at the point where we should agree to disagree.
There's no point arguing, because people very rarely change their opinions on anything. People read what they want to read, not what is said, and nothing else. Just let them.
And tell me, what's your interpretation of Jd's words? I'll be very interested to hear those man.
perhaps he thinks sc2 is harder because he can't get advantages through his micro and is forced to work on many other areas to compensate, it's a very different game with many new things that he needs to learn whilst he played bw for so long that it's obviously something very natural and easy for him.
I don't understand why Kespa players seem more manly than GOM players. Jaedong is but manly and sensitive looking. I can't think of a GOM player with a similar sort of style.
JD: "The main difference of Zerg in both games, if the Queen. I personally think that SC2's Zerg is harder to play than BW's Zerg, because in SC2, player should spawn larvae with Queens to produce units 'Zergishly'. This should be done during whole play time, so it requires more physical ability than before."
This one surprised me. Controlling a large zerg army in Brood War was really tough. SC2 zerg army control hardly even compares. Maybe he says this because he's gotten so good at boxing units? Either way, I'll take his word for it over mine .
On September 21 2012 07:35 HolyArrow wrote: Lol @ the people cherrypicking quotes from the interview going "Lol yup SC2 sucks, just look at what JD is saying here". Nice job ignoring the fact that overall, Jaedong seems enthusiastic about the game. And it's fun seeing people spin JD saying that SC2 Zerg is harder than BW Zerg to try to just make it sound like JD is somehow implying that SC2 Zerg mechanics suck, or something. Even if you guys personally think SC2 is vastly inferior to BW (in difficulty, complexity, or whatever), it's so silly to see people trying to spin JD's words to make them align with that view.
Well...you can't really prove otherwise, can you now? lol You can't counter argue that with enough evidence of your own.
I don't know how you can argue his point if you read the whole interview instead of cherrypicking tidbits. If we can't agree on "read the interview" as basis ("evidence") for an argument we are at the point where we should agree to disagree.
There's no point arguing, because people very rarely change their opinions on anything. People read what they want to read, not what is said, and nothing else. Just let them.
And tell me, what's your interpretation of Jd's words? I'll be very interested to hear those man.
I can't see any parts of JD's interview which obviously pertain to a negative stance of SC2 in context. Not only that, but you can't trust the 'exact wording' anyway because: a) it's translated, and b) the OP had a disclaimer at the start saying they were poor with english... lol.
So my interpretation is that his stance was neutral, perhaps positive in regards to the growth and development of the game. But also that this is not a remotely reliable source of information for petty arguments.
Certain members of the community will use any excuse to shit on SC2 (or BW, inversely). Alternatively, trolls who just like riling people up.
On September 21 2012 08:17 Demonhunter04 wrote: JD: "The main difference of Zerg in both games, if the Queen. I personally think that SC2's Zerg is harder to play than BW's Zerg, because in SC2, player should spawn larvae with Queens to produce units 'Zergishly'. This should be done during whole play time, so it requires more physical ability than before."
This one surprised me. Controlling a large zerg army in Brood War was really tough. SC2 zerg army control hardly even compares. Maybe he says this because he's gotten so good at boxing units? Either way, I'll take his word for it over mine .
Maybe JD just isn't used to the game yet. And no, I am not making excuses for him. He did, however, play BW for most of his life right?
SC2 zerg probably seems hard compared to BW zerg.... WHEN YOU WERE THE BEST BW ZERG WHO EVER PLAYED. He played BW for like 7 years and got used to it. Obviously getting used to a new game is hard if you were a stylistic master of another game and people expect you to dominate this new one ASAP. Seriously. SC2 is a good game and I like it, but I see more SC2 fans cherry picking that statement as some kind of vindication instead of thinking about it contextually than I see BW fans using it to shit on SC2.
On September 21 2012 06:42 Acer1791 wrote: just one question, cause i didnt follow bw that much..^^
how can you micro lings more in bw, i mean they are melee Oo
There is a saying, "Jaedong's zergling is an ultralisk."
Many ZvZ matches in BW are decided by zerglings micro battle. It is very hard, and Jaedong won zergling micro battle most of the time, some young zergs actually won mutalisk micro battle against him quite often later in his career, but on zerglings micro, he is always the best.
On September 21 2012 07:24 Coated wrote: I did not want to make this a zerg 'OP' thread, but with the quote from a gamer of his caliber i had too.
"I chose Terran for my first main race but I couldn't win the high level Zerg players. So I was very disappointed with myself for a while, and suddenly I found a good idea came to my mind. Why should I play Terran? Playing Zerg will solve the problem! (laugh)"
Yea, as has been said 100 times over, if you are a Terran diamond, then you will be a zerg master. If you are a Terran Masters, you will be a zerg GM. etc, etc. Easy mode race.
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Man, this hurts my head.
He was talking about his teenage years, that's BW. And just for education purpose, BW Terran is stronger than Zerg. Zerg just fits his style better.
People are taking his opinon on sc2 zerg vs bw zerg the wrong way. He says zerg in sc2 is harder because of the injects (which are impossible to keep doing 100 percent right the entire game while doing all the other stuff) and because zerg in sc2 has NO micro. So it's a lot harder to get more results out of your army.
On September 21 2012 08:14 IshinShishi wrote: perhaps he thinks sc2 is harder because he can't get advantages through his micro and is forced to work on many other areas to compensate, it's a very different game with many new things that he needs to learn whilst he played bw for so long that it's obviously something very natural and easy for him.
On September 21 2012 07:24 Coated wrote: I did not want to make this a zerg 'OP' thread, but with the quote from a gamer of his caliber i had too.
"I chose Terran for my first main race but I couldn't win the high level Zerg players. So I was very disappointed with myself for a while, and suddenly I found a good idea came to my mind. Why should I play Terran? Playing Zerg will solve the problem! (laugh)"
Yea, as has been said 100 times over, if you are a Terran diamond, then you will be a zerg master. If you are a Terran Masters, you will be a zerg GM. etc, etc. Easy mode race.
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Man, this hurts my head.
He was talking about his teenage years, that's BW. And just for education purpose, BW Terran is stronger than Zerg. Zerg just fits his style better.
why would you say that? Terran only has like 60 percent winrate versus zerg in bw (over all televised matches) because of the horrible matches in the beginning. At least, that's what I've heard about it.
On September 21 2012 07:24 Coated wrote: I did not want to make this a zerg 'OP' thread, but with the quote from a gamer of his caliber i had too.
"I chose Terran for my first main race but I couldn't win the high level Zerg players. So I was very disappointed with myself for a while, and suddenly I found a good idea came to my mind. Why should I play Terran? Playing Zerg will solve the problem! (laugh)"
Yea, as has been said 100 times over, if you are a Terran diamond, then you will be a zerg master. If you are a Terran Masters, you will be a zerg GM. etc, etc. Easy mode race.
On September 21 2012 09:49 wcr.4fun wrote: People are taking his opinon on sc2 zerg vs bw zerg the wrong way. He says zerg in sc2 is harder because of the injects (which are impossible to keep doing 100 percent right the entire game while doing all the other stuff) and because zerg in sc2 has NO micro. So it's a lot harder to get more results out of your army.
Eh while the micro isn't intensive like terran splitting there is micro. Most people seem to think zergs just A move and win/lose. No if you just A move into an army unless you are ahead you are going to lose.
For example.
I have ling/bane and just A move into the terran Marine/tank army. If I just A move banelings hit whatever and zerglings take longer to get a surround. If you win the battle it will not be as decicive as if you had controlled your army so banelings hit groups of units and lings got a surround asap instead of waiting 5 seconds.
Same goes with flanking, you just A move a flank without controlling the banelings or anything then you lose.
Same goes in zvp as well, if zerg just A moves into a toss army with bl/corr/inf vortex will destroy the zerg and you lose. While again the micro isn't insanely intense or anything zerg has more to do then just A move.
On September 21 2012 09:49 wcr.4fun wrote: People are taking his opinon on sc2 zerg vs bw zerg the wrong way. He says zerg in sc2 is harder because of the injects (which are impossible to keep doing 100 percent right the entire game while doing all the other stuff) and because zerg in sc2 has NO micro. So it's a lot harder to get more results out of your army.
Eh while the micro isn't intensive like terran splitting there is micro. Most people seem to think zergs just A move and win/lose. No if you just A move into an army unless you are ahead you are going to lose.
For example.
I have ling/bane and just A move into the terran Marine/tank army. If I just A move banelings hit whatever and zerglings take longer to get a surround. If you win the battle it will not be as decicive as if you had controlled your army so banelings hit groups of units and lings got a surround asap instead of waiting 5 seconds.
Same goes with flanking, you just A move a flank without controlling the banelings or anything then you lose.
Same goes in zvp as well, if zerg just A moves into a toss army with bl/corr/inf vortex will destroy the zerg and you lose. While again the micro isn't insanely intense or anything zerg has more to do then just A move.
nice a-move versus right click or a-move vs move in good position and then a-move. Such hard micro :D
I've played sc2 zerg myself thank you. I'm also playing brood war zerg now and mutalisk micro, scourge micro, lurker splits, while casting dark swarm, consuming zerglings, zergling micro,.......... are a lot harder than the non-existant micro in sc2.
On September 21 2012 09:49 wcr.4fun wrote: People are taking his opinon on sc2 zerg vs bw zerg the wrong way. He says zerg in sc2 is harder because of the injects (which are impossible to keep doing 100 percent right the entire game while doing all the other stuff) and because zerg in sc2 has NO micro. So it's a lot harder to get more results out of your army.
Eh while the micro isn't intensive like terran splitting there is micro. Most people seem to think zergs just A move and win/lose. No if you just A move into an army unless you are ahead you are going to lose.
For example.
I have ling/bane and just A move into the terran Marine/tank army. If I just A move banelings hit whatever and zerglings take longer to get a surround. If you win the battle it will not be as decicive as if you had controlled your army so banelings hit groups of units and lings got a surround asap instead of waiting 5 seconds.
Same goes with flanking, you just A move a flank without controlling the banelings or anything then you lose.
Same goes in zvp as well, if zerg just A moves into a toss army with bl/corr/inf vortex will destroy the zerg and you lose. While again the micro isn't insanely intense or anything zerg has more to do then just A move.
nice a-move versus right click or a-move vs move in good position and then a-move. Such hard micro :D
I've played sc2 zerg myself thank you. I'm also playing brood war zerg now and mutalisk micro, scourge micro, lurker splits, while casting dark swarm, consuming zerglings, zergling micro,.......... are a lot harder than the non-existant micro in sc2.
The micro isn't non-existent. I think there is huge improvement for micro in SC2. It's just that, for Zerg especially, there's little benefit to it. The micro in SC2 might not be as "rich" as it was in BW, but that doesn't mean it's easier. In some ways, it's definitely harder (i.e. the units are smaller, have less health, have a tendency to clump up in a game where splash damage is huge, etc.). I've never seen really GODLY roach micro, much less really GODLY zergling or baneling micro, but a lot of that is because stuff like splitting units before they get hit by siege tank fire is goddamn difficult and you get so little out of it, you might as well just a-move it all with proper flanking and pre-made splits and go back to macroing. I mean, you can do "zergling micro" if you really want to, but unless you're playing a clutch ZvZ, there's little point to it.
sweet interview can't wait to see more of Jaedong in sc2, such a well mannered gracious player, i hope he preforms well in all of his up coming tournaments ♥ ♥ ♥
The translation must be wrong on that zerg in bw vs sc2 part. No one in their right mind thinks the mechanics of sc2 are harder than broodwars. The queen is an additional one, so in a sense that particular mechanic is harder than in bw where it didnt exist... (no bias, love both games)
On September 21 2012 08:16 Sumahi wrote: I don't understand why Kespa players seem more manly than GOM players. Jaedong is but manly and sensitive looking. I can't think of a GOM player with a similar sort of style.
This is why I have a hetero sexual man crush on Bisu.
Jd must have been smoking something when he said sc2 zerg is harder. Maybe cos he played tons of bw and got used to the crazy micro and macro late game. Not saying sc2 is easy I love both games
On September 21 2012 10:23 samuraibael wrote: The translation must be wrong on that zerg in bw vs sc2 part. No one in their right mind thinks the mechanics of sc2 are harder than broodwars. The queen is an additional one, so in a sense that particular mechanic is harder than in bw where it didnt exist... (no bias, love both games)
Most people think zerg in SC2 is harder than in BW, this isn't something new. I for one think so too, having played both races in both games. You dont have to constantly remind yourself/look at larvae injects in BW.
On September 21 2012 10:23 samuraibael wrote: The translation must be wrong on that zerg in bw vs sc2 part. No one in their right mind thinks the mechanics of sc2 are harder than broodwars. The queen is an additional one, so in a sense that particular mechanic is harder than in bw where it didnt exist... (no bias, love both games)
Obviously he wasnt talking about Mechanics. Anyone that has played both games knows there is no comparison. He probably meant more difficult as in finding ways to win, since you cant separate yourself through micro and macro as much as in BW.
On September 21 2012 10:23 samuraibael wrote: The translation must be wrong on that zerg in bw vs sc2 part. No one in their right mind thinks the mechanics of sc2 are harder than broodwars. The queen is an additional one, so in a sense that particular mechanic is harder than in bw where it didnt exist... (no bias, love both games)
Most people think zerg in SC2 is harder than in BW, this isn't something new. I for one think so too, having played both races in both games. You dont have to constantly remind yourself/look at larvae injects in BW.
Since when do most ppl think that? And have you even seen bw late game zerg?
On September 21 2012 10:23 samuraibael wrote: The translation must be wrong on that zerg in bw vs sc2 part. No one in their right mind thinks the mechanics of sc2 are harder than broodwars. The queen is an additional one, so in a sense that particular mechanic is harder than in bw where it didnt exist... (no bias, love both games)
Most people think zerg in SC2 is harder than in BW, this isn't something new. I for one think so too, having played both races in both games. You dont have to constantly remind yourself/look at larvae injects in BW.
If you really played BW zerg seriously, you will know how hard it is to control units. The basic one, Zerglings, all over the map, they die in vain without good control, and you can't hotkey them, too many. Let alone defiler, lurker, mutalisk control, some pro level defiler control is pure artwork.
On September 21 2012 10:23 samuraibael wrote: The translation must be wrong on that zerg in bw vs sc2 part. No one in their right mind thinks the mechanics of sc2 are harder than broodwars. The queen is an additional one, so in a sense that particular mechanic is harder than in bw where it didnt exist... (no bias, love both games)
Most people think zerg in SC2 is harder than in BW, this isn't something new. I for one think so too, having played both races in both games. You dont have to constantly remind yourself/look at larvae injects in BW.
Since when do most ppl think that? And have you even seen bw late game zerg?
Indeed. Manage lot of control groups of 12 zerlings (the harder part, when you have more than 12 hatcherys producting zerlings and ultras), consume zerlings one by one with defilers, use dark swarms fast while moving lot of control groups inside, clone groups of scourges to kill vessels (5 actions for kill 2 vessels, 8 actions for kill 3 vessel, etc.), flanks, sourrounds, doom drops versus protoss, borrowand unborrow lurker every few seconds (lurker danger range is a less that swarmhost).
It is not comparable with A-move with all the army and use fungal. Lategame Zerg in BW is one of the harder things to play I have seen. I think Jaedong says "Zerg in SC2 is hard because I cant win with pure micro like in BW".
Just watch a jaedong fpvod(or any later era bw pro) then watch one of the pro sc2 streamers on the tl sidebar. You will notice a significant difference in mechanics.
I don't understand why people keep saying that when Jaedong was referring to sc2 zerg is harder than bw zerg that was he saying that "sc2 zerg is harder to win". He was SPECIFICALLY talking about the queen and the fact that you need to inject throughout the game, how can this be misinterpreted?!?!?!
On September 22 2012 02:26 Kryptonite wrote: I don't understand why people keep saying that when Jaedong was referring to sc2 zerg is harder than bw zerg that was he saying that "sc2 zerg is harder to win". He was SPECIFICALLY talking about the queen and the fact that you need to inject throughout the game, how can this be misinterpreted?!?!?!
It's selective cognition. When you are so deeply into an ideology, you do not perceive reality, even written words or other facts, as normal people do. I guess for some people, their worship for BW and despise for SC2 acts as an ideology in that sense, as sad as it may seem.
Edit: goes both ways of course, there are also people who constantly bash BW, but I believe in that case it's more trolling and less semi-religious zeal tbh.
On September 22 2012 02:26 Kryptonite wrote: I don't understand why people keep saying that when Jaedong was referring to sc2 zerg is harder than bw zerg that was he saying that "sc2 zerg is harder to win". He was SPECIFICALLY talking about the queen and the fact that you need to inject throughout the game, how can this be misinterpreted?!?!?!
It's selective cognition. When you are so deeply into an ideology, you do not perceive reality, even written words or other facts, as normal people do. I guess for some people, their worship for BW and despise for SC2 acts as an ideology in that sense, as sad as it may seem.
Or.... Jaedong and the rest of the Kespa players are trying to sell old hardcore korean fans on a game that is perceived to be less challenging.
JD has every incentive to play sc2 up. Just take one step past this interview and you realize that you have to take Kespa interviews with a grain of salt.
On September 22 2012 02:26 Kryptonite wrote: I don't understand why people keep saying that when Jaedong was referring to sc2 zerg is harder than bw zerg that was he saying that "sc2 zerg is harder to win". He was SPECIFICALLY talking about the queen and the fact that you need to inject throughout the game, how can this be misinterpreted?!?!?!
It's selective cognition. When you are so deeply into an ideology, you do not perceive reality, even written words or other facts, as normal people do. I guess for some people, their worship for BW and despise for SC2 acts as an ideology in that sense, as sad as it may seem.
Or.... Jaedong and the rest of the Kespa players are trying to sell old hardcore korean fans on a game that is perceived to be less challenging.
JD has every incentive to play sc2 up. Just take one step past this interview and you realize that you have to take Kespa interviews with a grain of salt.
Edit: I think the inject comment says it all.
True, you shouldn't take Korean interviews at face value, but still the way some people try to create an argument that he was saying BW is harder than SC2 from interpreting what he said until it fits their views is rather ... interesting to say the least.
And also SC2 has less variables in micro-control such as Zergling micro or Mutalisk micro. I can overwhelm my opponent only with micro-conrol in BW games but I can't do that in SC2. But I think there are many unrevealed elements in SC2 and I expect we can show you more in the future.
He's saying what everyone will agree. There are far fewer moments where crazy control and micro can help you recover a game you are losing or crush someone who simply doesn't have that physical skill.
Couple that with a comment about queens that seems a bit fluffy and it becomes a far more measured endorsement than what many in this thread are taking it to be. There's a lot of desperation to have one of the BW legends endorse sc2 so that the new sc2 fans have some credibility with the classic BW fans. Both in Korea and in the foreign scene. That's what this sort of interview is meant to do.
I think JD thinks SC2 Zerg is harder than BW Zerg because of the increased speed. It makes it harder to do meaningful micro at the pace of SC2. Not that it IS harder, but it's just faster. The BW guys have said going from BW to WoL seemed natural, but going back to BW was really difficult. The only thing I can see justifying it would be the speed increase.
On September 22 2012 02:58 Sabu113 wrote: Or.... Jaedong and the rest of the Kespa players are trying to sell old hardcore korean fans on a game that is perceived to be less challenging.
What people need to realize is that while this is possible, you can't just automatically assume it's true and wave it around like a fact. You don't know what Jaedong actually thinks, as you aren't him. He may in fact actually like the game, and enjoys the challenge of learning something new.
Just because you disagree with something highly subjective like the appraisal and personal enjoyment of a video game doesn't make other people's potential thoughts 'factually incorrect/impossible'. This goes both ways.
On September 22 2012 02:58 Sabu113 wrote: Just take one step past this interview and you realize that you have to take Kespa interviews with a grain of salt.
Yes. Especially a translated one.
For now I think we should just stop posting Kespa interviews. All they do is act as troll-bait, and seem to rarely bring any new insight to the table. Especially anything that the community deems trustworthy.
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On September 22 2012 02:58 Sabu113 wrote: Edit: I think the inject comment says it all.
And seriously, the only thing you can get out of it (and only if you reaaally stretch what's said) is that he thinks it's harder to win through micro. This only seems like "shitting on SC2" because of a near-sighted ulterior opinion that "micro is the measure of an e-sport's worth", something which JD doesn't actually say.
I just think that my interpretation is closer to the truth than the claims that this is a flat out endorsement of sc2.
We do know that sc2 isn't doing too hot in Korea (compared to LoL) and that the BW fans are still having some fights with the sc2 adopters on forums. Kespa wants to bring that fanbase along. That in fact is the major perk of having taek-bang lsssangrok transfer over. Added to the fact that Kespa interviews as far as I remember are much more disciplined than sc2 player interviews and it's not unreasonable to posit that the player sat least would realize that endorsing sc2 would be best for everyone.
Secondly, we can conjecture on the truthfulness or validity of a statement. That's not unreasonable. If we both bite an onion, I expect it would taste the same in almost every world. Queen injects don't seem to be mechanically difficult for people who didn't have mbs to macro. That just doesn't make too much sense to be very notable. What we do know is that atleast in the foreign scene, plenty of people noted the decrease in mechanical difficulty as the reason for the drop in the technical skill ceiling. Also it is a reason why Jaedong will probably not be as dominant in SC2 as he was in BW.
They could be loving the opportunity to play and learn something new after almost a decade of BW. That's not unreasonable. You just can't take this as a whole-hearted endorsement to beat over the heads of BW fans as so many seem wont to do.
Also "shitting on sc2" is your quote. I never say that he's shitting on sc2 because that's a stupid claim.
On September 21 2012 05:26 Labbetuss wrote: This interview is really good. Thanks for translating! Even though I'm a Flash fan, it's hard not to love JD also.
Flash fans should love Jaedong, just like Jaedong fans should love Flash. They just played so many epic games in finals!
Oh dear god, one sentence comparing BW and SC2 from Jaedong and this thread is destroyed roflmao. Of course he prob finds sc2 zerg harder to play, he's used to years and years and years of BW zerg...which some might argue isn't really all that similar to sc2 zerg (stylistically speaking).
*sigh* Jaedong finds SC2 zerg harder than BW zerg because of the lower skill ceiling. Although both games have a skill ceiling well beyond human capabilities, the way BW's skill ceiling worked meant pros had more "wiggle room" in terms of what they can do better than everyone else. For instance, no one in BW had perfect macro, much less if they were trying to micro at the same time. Yet, in SC2, this is the norm. In SC2, there is less of that "wiggle room" with what you can do to make yourself better than the other player. What this means is that he can't just micro his way to walkover wins anymore. He actually has to put forward much more effort to get the same results. I thought this was obvious, but whatever. Anyways, this is a rather interesting point. Although having a high skill cap is really good, when winning can be done easily, is the high skill cap really all that good? You can achieve the same win rate in SC2 as in BW, but in order to do that, you'll need to be a LOT better than the rest than you would need to be in BW. It is certainly an interesting point to think about.
On October 09 2012 11:18 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: *sigh* Jaedong finds SC2 zerg harder than BW zerg because of the lower skill ceiling. Although both games have a skill ceiling well beyond human capabilities, the way BW's skill ceiling worked meant pros had more "wiggle room" in terms of what they can do better than everyone else. For instance, no one in BW had perfect macro, much less if they were trying to micro at the same time. Yet, in SC2, this is the norm. In SC2, there is less of that "wiggle room" with what you can do to make yourself better than the other player. What this means is that he can't just micro his way to walkover wins anymore. He actually has to put forward much more effort to get the same results. I thought this was obvious, but whatever. Anyways, this is a rather interesting point. Although having a high skill cap is really good, when winning can be done easily, is the high skill cap really all that good? You can achieve the same win rate in SC2 as in BW, but in order to do that, you'll need to be a LOT better than the rest than you would need to be in BW. It is certainly an interesting point to think about.
He was specifically talking about production abilities. In BW you didn't have to worry about spawning larvae. In SC2 you have to constantly do it even if you are maxed, i can easily understand how that is more taxing than just having more hatcheries. And his thoughts on the micro abilities of the game, i would agree its way harder to surround because all the races have much more fluid movement. This is what makes SC2 harder than Broodwar. The easier aspects of the game compared to BW come down to Hotkey mapping and Multiple building selection.
Everyone can tell just by watching a zerg game that when they spread creep shows a decent ability to multitask but we rarely get a glimpse of their queens 22 minutes into the game to see how on top are they when it comes to injections. Its hard to measure when just watching GSL/MLG etc unless a caster points it out. And even then micro is so important, just being on top of your production doesn't, and shouldn't equal a free win.
thanks for the translation, now im really curious what parting said.
edit: found it; it's an issue that got started by a reporter leaving some stuff out of his interview, but then got escalated by both sides. Here's a link that explains the situation in Korean, and here's a brief cap in English:
Parting was asked to rate the Kespa players in an OSL Dual Tournament interview. Before the interview he announced that he was going to play the villain role in the whole ESF vs Kespa situation for laughs, and in the interview he said "Since I am confident in my skill level compared to Kespa players, I'll be treating them as bonuses and picking Kespa players during group nominations." However, the website conducting the interview conveniently leaves out what he said before the interview and reports that, which of course causes a shit storm. Then one of the Kespa team coaches [don't know which one] tweets that Parting needs to learn some manners. In response to this, Parting's side starts spreading a picture of n.Die_soO talking shit about his own parents [not sure how you can capture that in a picture, but that's what it says], saying Kespa players don't really have much to talk about when it comes to basic manners, and this goes viral. The coach apologizes over twitter, but then Parting responds by saying if what he said in the original interview makes kespa players mad, they should prove it wrong by beating him fair and square.
On October 09 2012 12:46 rotinegg wrote: thanks for the translation, now im really curious what parting said.
edit: found it; it's an issue that got started by a reporter leaving some stuff out of his interview, but then got escalated by both sides. Here's a link that explains the situation in Korean, and here's a brief cap in English:
Parting was asked to rate the Kespa players in an OSL Dual Tournament interview. Before the interview he announced that he was going to play the villain role in the whole ESF vs Kespa situation for laughs, and in the interview he said "Since I am confident in my skill level compared to Kespa players, I'll be treating them as bonuses and picking Kespa players during group nominations." However, the website conducting the interview conveniently leaves out what he said before the interview and reports that, which of course causes a shit storm. Then one of the Kespa team coaches [don't know which one] tweets that Parting needs to learn some manners. In response to this, Parting's side starts spreading a picture of n.Die_soO talking shit about his own parents [not sure how you can capture that in a picture, but that's what it says], saying Kespa players don't really have much to talk about when it comes to basic manners, and this goes viral. The coach apologizes over twitter, but then Parting responds by saying if what he said in the original interview makes kespa players mad, they should prove it wrong by beating him fair and square.
Thanks for the recap. Sounds like Parting's starting (rhyme!) to grow quite the reputation for talking shit, but everyone seems to speak highly of him as a person.
Also, much Jaedong love. That photo of him signing the BroodWar chest with Flash makes me so freaking envious.
On September 21 2012 05:26 Labbetuss wrote: This interview is really good. Thanks for translating! Even though I'm a Flash fan, it's hard not to love JD also.
Flash fans should love Jaedong, just like Jaedong fans should love Flash. They just played so many epic games in finals!
They shared top 1 and 2 spot for so long..
And btw thanks for the translation :D
Even when he was beating Flash and his fans were at their most annoying I still respected Jaedong. I don't think Flash would've reached the heights he did without Jaedong, and vice versa. They were both better players because of each other.
On September 21 2012 05:26 Labbetuss wrote: This interview is really good. Thanks for translating! Even though I'm a Flash fan, it's hard not to love JD also.
Flash fans should love Jaedong, just like Jaedong fans should love Flash. They just played so many epic games in finals!
They shared top 1 and 2 spot for so long..
And btw thanks for the translation :D
Even when he was beating Flash and his fans were at their most annoying I still respected Jaedong. I don't think Flash would've reached the heights he did without Jaedong, and vice versa. They were both better players because of each other.
I personally think that SC2's Zerg is harder to play than BW's Zerg, because in SC2, player should spawn larvae with Queens to produce units 'Zergishly'. This should be done during whole play time, so it requires more physical ability than before.
And also SC2 has less variables in micro-control such as Zergling micro or Mutalisk micro. I can overwhelm my opponent only with micro-conrol in BW games but I can't do that in SC2. But I think there are many unrevealed elements in SC2 and I expect we can show you more in the future.
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Well now we have something to talk about that is relevant from the big name.
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On September 21 2012 07:24 Coated wrote: I did not want to make this a zerg 'OP' thread, but with the quote from a gamer of his caliber i had too.
"I chose Terran for my first main race but I couldn't win the high level Zerg players. So I was very disappointed with myself for a while, and suddenly I found a good idea came to my mind. Why should I play Terran? Playing Zerg will solve the problem! (laugh)"
Yea, as has been said 100 times over, if you are a Terran diamond, then you will be a zerg master. If you are a Terran Masters, you will be a zerg GM. etc, etc. Easy mode race.
Facepalm. He was talking about BW.
Yeah and it's even funnier that the one player who could steal JD's 'greatest player of all time' trophy was a Terran. Some people..
It's funny for a guy like him, SC2 really might be harder because his well practiced ability can't be applied as much in the micro end of things and he has to compensate with mechanics that are unfamiliar.
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