EPT[Interview]8th team's Jaedong talks about HOTS - Page 7
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Kryptonite
United States155 Posts
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HonorZ
France858 Posts
 happy to see this interview ... :D | ||
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On September 22 2012 02:26 Kryptonite wrote: I don't understand why people keep saying that when Jaedong was referring to sc2 zerg is harder than bw zerg that was he saying that "sc2 zerg is harder to win". He was SPECIFICALLY talking about the queen and the fact that you need to inject throughout the game, how can this be misinterpreted?!?!?! It's selective cognition. When you are so deeply into an ideology, you do not perceive reality, even written words or other facts, as normal people do. I guess for some people, their worship for BW and despise for SC2 acts as an ideology in that sense, as sad as it may seem. Edit: goes both ways of course, there are also people who constantly bash BW, but I believe in that case it's more trolling and less semi-religious zeal tbh. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11110 Posts
On September 22 2012 02:54 ACrow wrote: It's selective cognition. When you are so deeply into an ideology, you do not perceive reality, even written words or other facts, as normal people do. I guess for some people, their worship for BW and despise for SC2 acts as an ideology in that sense, as sad as it may seem. Or.... Jaedong and the rest of the Kespa players are trying to sell old hardcore korean fans on a game that is perceived to be less challenging. JD has every incentive to play sc2 up. Just take one step past this interview and you realize that you have to take Kespa interviews with a grain of salt. Edit: I think the inject comment says it all. | ||
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virpi
Germany3599 Posts
cool interview, I really hope that he'll be able to perform better in wol in the future. | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On September 22 2012 02:58 Sabu113 wrote: Or.... Jaedong and the rest of the Kespa players are trying to sell old hardcore korean fans on a game that is perceived to be less challenging. JD has every incentive to play sc2 up. Just take one step past this interview and you realize that you have to take Kespa interviews with a grain of salt. Edit: I think the inject comment says it all. True, you shouldn't take Korean interviews at face value, but still the way some people try to create an argument that he was saying BW is harder than SC2 from interpreting what he said until it fits their views is rather ... interesting to say the least. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11110 Posts
And also SC2 has less variables in micro-control such as Zergling micro or Mutalisk micro. I can overwhelm my opponent only with micro-conrol in BW games but I can't do that in SC2. But I think there are many unrevealed elements in SC2 and I expect we can show you more in the future. He's saying what everyone will agree. There are far fewer moments where crazy control and micro can help you recover a game you are losing or crush someone who simply doesn't have that physical skill. Couple that with a comment about queens that seems a bit fluffy and it becomes a far more measured endorsement than what many in this thread are taking it to be. There's a lot of desperation to have one of the BW legends endorse sc2 so that the new sc2 fans have some credibility with the classic BW fans. Both in Korea and in the foreign scene. That's what this sort of interview is meant to do. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Kilby
Finland1069 Posts
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b0ub0u
Canada445 Posts
This moment will stay in my mind forever! He is a tyrant and I know he will be a dominant figure in SC2 as well... | ||
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Pisko.
United States214 Posts
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Bayyne
United States1967 Posts
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Jeremy Reimer
Canada1225 Posts
![[image loading]](http://jeremyreimer.com/monarch/uploads/Jaedong-poster-Jeremy-Reimer.jpg) | ||
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TheCzarOfAll
United States170 Posts
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SilSol
Sweden2744 Posts
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
On September 22 2012 02:58 Sabu113 wrote: Or.... Jaedong and the rest of the Kespa players are trying to sell old hardcore korean fans on a game that is perceived to be less challenging. What people need to realize is that while this is possible, you can't just automatically assume it's true and wave it around like a fact. You don't know what Jaedong actually thinks, as you aren't him. He may in fact actually like the game, and enjoys the challenge of learning something new. Just because you disagree with something highly subjective like the appraisal and personal enjoyment of a video game doesn't make other people's potential thoughts 'factually incorrect/impossible'. This goes both ways. On September 22 2012 02:58 Sabu113 wrote: Just take one step past this interview and you realize that you have to take Kespa interviews with a grain of salt. Yes. Especially a translated one. For now I think we should just stop posting Kespa interviews. All they do is act as troll-bait, and seem to rarely bring any new insight to the table. Especially anything that the community deems trustworthy. EDIT: On September 22 2012 02:58 Sabu113 wrote: Edit: I think the inject comment says it all. And seriously, the only thing you can get out of it (and only if you reaaally stretch what's said) is that he thinks it's harder to win through micro. This only seems like "shitting on SC2" because of a near-sighted ulterior opinion that "micro is the measure of an e-sport's worth", something which JD doesn't actually say. | ||
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fr4nk1sh
Sweden59 Posts
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skipdog172
United States331 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11110 Posts
We do know that sc2 isn't doing too hot in Korea (compared to LoL) and that the BW fans are still having some fights with the sc2 adopters on forums. Kespa wants to bring that fanbase along. That in fact is the major perk of having taek-bang lsssangrok transfer over. Added to the fact that Kespa interviews as far as I remember are much more disciplined than sc2 player interviews and it's not unreasonable to posit that the player sat least would realize that endorsing sc2 would be best for everyone. Secondly, we can conjecture on the truthfulness or validity of a statement. That's not unreasonable. If we both bite an onion, I expect it would taste the same in almost every world. Queen injects don't seem to be mechanically difficult for people who didn't have mbs to macro. That just doesn't make too much sense to be very notable. What we do know is that atleast in the foreign scene, plenty of people noted the decrease in mechanical difficulty as the reason for the drop in the technical skill ceiling. Also it is a reason why Jaedong will probably not be as dominant in SC2 as he was in BW. They could be loving the opportunity to play and learn something new after almost a decade of BW. That's not unreasonable. You just can't take this as a whole-hearted endorsement to beat over the heads of BW fans as so many seem wont to do. Also "shitting on sc2" is your quote. I never say that he's shitting on sc2 because that's a stupid claim. | ||
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