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sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
September 20 2012 21:45 GMT
#61
On September 21 2012 06:33 andrewlt wrote:
Many of you guys obviously did not follow or even watch a single game of BW and are completely misunderstanding the context. In BW, zerglings and mutas were much more microable than they are in SC2. Jaedong was able to win plenty of games on zergling/muta micro alone. He can't do that anymore in SC2 so it's harder for him. Without the strength of his zergling/mutalisk micro, he's nowhere near the dominant player he was at his peak.


He'll find other areas where he can outskill his opponents. He says inject is harder than any BW mechanic, so much for SC2 mechanics being too easy...

He also says he believes there are yet undiscovered elements. He doesn't seem to think the skillcap has been reached.
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
September 20 2012 21:45 GMT
#62
<3 JD
absorb their strength makes me think of the KT academy lolol
can i get my estro logo back pls
Coated
Profile Joined August 2011
United States74 Posts
September 20 2012 22:24 GMT
#63
I did not want to make this a zerg 'OP' thread, but with the quote from a gamer of his caliber i had too.

"I chose Terran for my first main race but I couldn't win the high level Zerg players. So I was very disappointed with myself for a while, and suddenly I found a good idea came to my mind. Why should I play Terran? Playing Zerg will solve the problem! (laugh)"

Yea, as has been said 100 times over, if you are a Terran diamond, then you will be a zerg master. If you are a Terran Masters, you will be a zerg GM. etc, etc. Easy mode race.

User was temp banned for this post.
Another one bites the dust
wangstra
Profile Joined March 2011
922 Posts
September 20 2012 22:26 GMT
#64
On September 21 2012 06:33 andrewlt wrote:
Many of you guys obviously did not follow or even watch a single game of BW and are completely misunderstanding the context. In BW, zerglings and mutas were much more microable than they are in SC2. Jaedong was able to win plenty of games on zergling/muta micro alone. He can't do that anymore in SC2 so it's harder for him. Without the strength of his zergling/mutalisk micro, he's nowhere near the dominant player he was at his peak.


Precisely. I don't understand all the posts thanking him. He just said a lot of his micro skills have been negated by SC2 design and the queen mechanic requiring constant inject is physically demanding. Now wonder its harder!
wangstra
Profile Joined March 2011
922 Posts
September 20 2012 22:27 GMT
#65
On September 21 2012 07:24 Coated wrote:
I did not want to make this a zerg 'OP' thread, but with the quote from a gamer of his caliber i had too.

"I chose Terran for my first main race but I couldn't win the high level Zerg players. So I was very disappointed with myself for a while, and suddenly I found a good idea came to my mind. Why should I play Terran? Playing Zerg will solve the problem! (laugh)"

Yea, as has been said 100 times over, if you are a Terran diamond, then you will be a zerg master. If you are a Terran Masters, you will be a zerg GM. etc, etc. Easy mode race.


Facepalm. He was talking about BW.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
September 20 2012 22:28 GMT
#66
On September 21 2012 07:26 wangstra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 06:33 andrewlt wrote:
Many of you guys obviously did not follow or even watch a single game of BW and are completely misunderstanding the context. In BW, zerglings and mutas were much more microable than they are in SC2. Jaedong was able to win plenty of games on zergling/muta micro alone. He can't do that anymore in SC2 so it's harder for him. Without the strength of his zergling/mutalisk micro, he's nowhere near the dominant player he was at his peak.


Precisely. I don't understand all the posts thanking him. He just said a lot of his micro skills have been negated by SC2 design and the queen mechanic requiring constant inject is physically demanding. Now wonder its harder!

The difference in SC2 micro and BW micro is obvious. I'm actually very surprised that he said the queen mechanic is more physically demanding than having to go back to each base individually and send drones to mine though ...
GhoSt[shield]
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2131 Posts
September 20 2012 22:34 GMT
#67
Jaedong interview is great as usual. I started watching BW about the time when Jaedong began his reign by beating Stork. jaedong's "death stare" is probably what he mentioned in " I can overwhelm my opponent only with micro-conrol in BW games but I can't do that in SC2." His muta-micro in all match-ups (especialy his godlike 80%+ZvZ and ~60% ZvT) made my jaw drop and realize how beautiful BW could be. I'll never forget how Jaedong beat Fantasy in 5 games for the OSL, denying my favourite player his royal road attempt. T_T
Jaedong is a beast, I hated you for beating Fantasy with a 4 pool on a huge 4 player map but I've grown to love the determination and force of will of Lee JaeDong.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-20 22:36:35
September 20 2012 22:35 GMT
#68
Lol @ the people cherrypicking quotes from the interview going "Lol yup SC2 sucks, just look at what JD is saying here". Nice job ignoring the fact that overall, Jaedong seems enthusiastic about the game. And it's fun seeing people spin JD saying that SC2 Zerg is harder than BW Zerg to try to just make it sound like JD is somehow implying that SC2 Zerg mechanics suck, or something. Even if you guys personally think SC2 is vastly inferior to BW (in difficulty, complexity, or whatever), it's so silly to see people trying to spin JD's words to make them align with that view.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
September 20 2012 22:41 GMT
#69
On September 21 2012 07:35 HolyArrow wrote:
Lol @ the people cherrypicking quotes from the interview going "Lol yup SC2 sucks, just look at what JD is saying here". Nice job ignoring the fact that overall, Jaedong seems enthusiastic about the game. And it's fun seeing people spin JD saying that SC2 Zerg is harder than BW Zerg to try to just make it sound like JD is somehow implying that SC2 Zerg mechanics suck, or something. Even if you guys personally think SC2 is vastly inferior to BW (in difficulty, complexity, or whatever), it's so silly to see people trying to spin JD's words to make them align with that view.


Well...you can't really prove otherwise, can you now? lol You can't counter argue that with enough evidence of your own.
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ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
September 20 2012 22:42 GMT
#70
ya kinda shocking that he says that the queen mechanic is harder. I think doing 4sd5sd6sd7sd8sd etc, etc thoughout the entire game is more physically demanding xD
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SkimGuy
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada709 Posts
September 20 2012 22:43 GMT
#71
EE JAE DONG FIGHTING~
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
September 20 2012 22:43 GMT
#72
On September 21 2012 07:28 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 07:26 wangstra wrote:
On September 21 2012 06:33 andrewlt wrote:
Many of you guys obviously did not follow or even watch a single game of BW and are completely misunderstanding the context. In BW, zerglings and mutas were much more microable than they are in SC2. Jaedong was able to win plenty of games on zergling/muta micro alone. He can't do that anymore in SC2 so it's harder for him. Without the strength of his zergling/mutalisk micro, he's nowhere near the dominant player he was at his peak.


Precisely. I don't understand all the posts thanking him. He just said a lot of his micro skills have been negated by SC2 design and the queen mechanic requiring constant inject is physically demanding. Now wonder its harder!

The difference in SC2 micro and BW micro is obvious. I'm actually very surprised that he said the queen mechanic is more physically demanding than having to go back to each base individually and send drones to mine though ...


well you dont do that all game, and you inject many more times per game of SC2 than you tell drones to mine in BW. Even counting all the remade ones.
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KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
September 20 2012 22:45 GMT
#73
It would really be nice if mutas were more microable. Seeing JD's muta control in SC2 would be amazing. Well, let's hope he's right about the many unexplored avenues

Thanks for translation.
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ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
September 20 2012 22:46 GMT
#74
On September 21 2012 07:41 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 07:35 HolyArrow wrote:
Lol @ the people cherrypicking quotes from the interview going "Lol yup SC2 sucks, just look at what JD is saying here". Nice job ignoring the fact that overall, Jaedong seems enthusiastic about the game. And it's fun seeing people spin JD saying that SC2 Zerg is harder than BW Zerg to try to just make it sound like JD is somehow implying that SC2 Zerg mechanics suck, or something. Even if you guys personally think SC2 is vastly inferior to BW (in difficulty, complexity, or whatever), it's so silly to see people trying to spin JD's words to make them align with that view.


Well...you can't really prove otherwise, can you now? lol You can't counter argue that with enough evidence of your own.

I don't know how you can argue his point if you read the whole interview instead of cherrypicking tidbits. If we can't agree on "read the interview" as basis ("evidence") for an argument we are at the point where we should agree to disagree.
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Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
September 20 2012 22:49 GMT
#75
Jaedong fighting!!!
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DrakeFZX3
Profile Joined October 2010
United States925 Posts
September 20 2012 22:49 GMT
#76
On September 21 2012 07:28 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 07:26 wangstra wrote:
On September 21 2012 06:33 andrewlt wrote:
Many of you guys obviously did not follow or even watch a single game of BW and are completely misunderstanding the context. In BW, zerglings and mutas were much more microable than they are in SC2. Jaedong was able to win plenty of games on zergling/muta micro alone. He can't do that anymore in SC2 so it's harder for him. Without the strength of his zergling/mutalisk micro, he's nowhere near the dominant player he was at his peak.


Precisely. I don't understand all the posts thanking him. He just said a lot of his micro skills have been negated by SC2 design and the queen mechanic requiring constant inject is physically demanding. Now wonder its harder!

The difference in SC2 micro and BW micro is obvious. I'm actually very surprised that he said the queen mechanic is more physically demanding than having to go back to each base individually and send drones to mine though ...


The thing is at some point you stop building drones.

At no point in SC2 should you ever stop injecting unless you want to lose.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
September 20 2012 23:01 GMT
#77
Nice interview, i'm beginning to like his personality more and more

As for comments on wol, hots and bw, i don't really get the fuss some people make. Imo it's all correct and clear. People judging a game with his words are reading too much into this.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
September 20 2012 23:06 GMT
#78
On September 21 2012 06:42 Acer1791 wrote:
just one question, cause i didnt follow bw that much..^^

how can you micro lings more in bw, i mean they are melee Oo

You can only select/hotkey 12 Zerglings at once in BW as opposed to every single one you have in SC2. They were also a lot more 'stupid' in BW, they wouldn't surround stuff properly and would try to all attack from one angle and get kind of stuck, so you had to manually split them around units and then A-click so they would properly surround. In SC2 you mostly see people just A-click their Lings, or move command all of them so they wrap around the opponent's army then A-click.
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-20 23:13:51
September 20 2012 23:09 GMT
#79
On September 21 2012 07:46 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 07:41 Xiphos wrote:
On September 21 2012 07:35 HolyArrow wrote:
Lol @ the people cherrypicking quotes from the interview going "Lol yup SC2 sucks, just look at what JD is saying here". Nice job ignoring the fact that overall, Jaedong seems enthusiastic about the game. And it's fun seeing people spin JD saying that SC2 Zerg is harder than BW Zerg to try to just make it sound like JD is somehow implying that SC2 Zerg mechanics suck, or something. Even if you guys personally think SC2 is vastly inferior to BW (in difficulty, complexity, or whatever), it's so silly to see people trying to spin JD's words to make them align with that view.


Well...you can't really prove otherwise, can you now? lol You can't counter argue that with enough evidence of your own.

I don't know how you can argue his point if you read the whole interview instead of cherrypicking tidbits. If we can't agree on "read the interview" as basis ("evidence") for an argument we are at the point where we should agree to disagree.


There's no point arguing, because people very rarely change their opinions on anything. People read what they want to read, not what is said. Just let them.
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
September 20 2012 23:10 GMT
#80
"I personally think that SC2's Zerg is harder to play than BW's Zerg."

Danggg
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