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Stephano Confirmed to EG - Page 14

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Interstellar
Profile Joined May 2012
Mexico67 Posts
September 11 2012 23:08 GMT
#261
On September 12 2012 07:55 SmokeMonster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 07:48 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On September 12 2012 04:32 Fix637 wrote:I don't believe in the whole "EG Curse" thing but it is undeniable that some players have produced less results immediately after joining EG. No one really knows why that is but if it does have something to do with EG's practice format then perhaps Stephano's unique practice regimen will keep him at the top.


I believe it is an incentive problem.

It is easy to understand that EG has the money to pay their star SC2 players a livable income. When you're already making $40k+++ a year you don't really have to rely on tournament winnings to sustain a comfortable lifestyle. If someone like Stephano, who is rumored to be making six-figures, it is hard to justify putting in so much effort into winning a $5k tournament when you make more than that a month. Of course no player would outright admit this, but I'm sure there is some meta-analysis in some scientific journal correlating this phenomena.


do well to secure next contract. ever thought of that?


Yeah, but once you've raked in over $100,000 in a single year, it's easy to say, "No thanks, I'm retired."
El que es chingon, es chingon.
TeslasPigeon
Profile Joined March 2012
464 Posts
September 11 2012 23:13 GMT
#262
On September 12 2012 07:55 SmokeMonster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 07:48 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On September 12 2012 04:32 Fix637 wrote:I don't believe in the whole "EG Curse" thing but it is undeniable that some players have produced less results immediately after joining EG. No one really knows why that is but if it does have something to do with EG's practice format then perhaps Stephano's unique practice regimen will keep him at the top.


I believe it is an incentive problem.

It is easy to understand that EG has the money to pay their star SC2 players a livable income. When you're already making $40k+++ a year you don't really have to rely on tournament winnings to sustain a comfortable lifestyle. If someone like Stephano, who is rumored to be making six-figures, it is hard to justify putting in so much effort into winning a $5k tournament when you make more than that a month. Of course no player would outright admit this, but I'm sure there is some meta-analysis in some scientific journal correlating this phenomena.


do well to secure next contract. ever thought of that?


Many EG players still renew their contracts even when they flop during a tournament.

You think EG should cut a player loose if they have one bad season? How does that foster well being on the team? If this were to actually happen players might be reluctant to move to EG if they aren't willing to stand by their players. EG takes care of their players and their players take care of EG. Whether that be through placing well in tournaments or becoming another marketable figure.

EG is more than an SC2 line up, that should be obvious by now. I mean look at Machine, he is the designated Idra body double and product hustler. Or Incontrol, a spokesman and community leader. Should Incontrol be dropped because he hasn't made any tournament results in a year? EG would lose more than Incontrol.
SmokeMonster
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada72 Posts
September 11 2012 23:14 GMT
#263
On September 12 2012 08:08 Interstellar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 07:55 SmokeMonster wrote:
On September 12 2012 07:48 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On September 12 2012 04:32 Fix637 wrote:I don't believe in the whole "EG Curse" thing but it is undeniable that some players have produced less results immediately after joining EG. No one really knows why that is but if it does have something to do with EG's practice format then perhaps Stephano's unique practice regimen will keep him at the top.


I believe it is an incentive problem.

It is easy to understand that EG has the money to pay their star SC2 players a livable income. When you're already making $40k+++ a year you don't really have to rely on tournament winnings to sustain a comfortable lifestyle. If someone like Stephano, who is rumored to be making six-figures, it is hard to justify putting in so much effort into winning a $5k tournament when you make more than that a month. Of course no player would outright admit this, but I'm sure there is some meta-analysis in some scientific journal correlating this phenomena.


do well to secure next contract. ever thought of that?


Yeah, but once you've raked in over $100,000 in a single year, it's easy to say, "No thanks, I'm retired."


How does one retire with $100,000?
ZpuX
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Sweden1230 Posts
September 11 2012 23:16 GMT
#264
On September 12 2012 08:08 Interstellar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 07:55 SmokeMonster wrote:
On September 12 2012 07:48 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On September 12 2012 04:32 Fix637 wrote:I don't believe in the whole "EG Curse" thing but it is undeniable that some players have produced less results immediately after joining EG. No one really knows why that is but if it does have something to do with EG's practice format then perhaps Stephano's unique practice regimen will keep him at the top.


I believe it is an incentive problem.

It is easy to understand that EG has the money to pay their star SC2 players a livable income. When you're already making $40k+++ a year you don't really have to rely on tournament winnings to sustain a comfortable lifestyle. If someone like Stephano, who is rumored to be making six-figures, it is hard to justify putting in so much effort into winning a $5k tournament when you make more than that a month. Of course no player would outright admit this, but I'm sure there is some meta-analysis in some scientific journal correlating this phenomena.


do well to secure next contract. ever thought of that?


Yeah, but once you've raked in over $100,000 in a single year, it's easy to say, "No thanks, I'm retired."

I think this is the most prominent answer. Motivation is a huge part of someones success, and with a paycheck of 100k/year for a career that is relatively short lived that's really a lot, so it would make sense that you lose some of the motivation once you have a secure income for a certain amount of time. That's what I find the most impressive with people like Flash, Jaedong etc, people who have been at the top for so long and can still keep going as if they were chasing something when, in fact, they have already achieved pretty much everything. Then again, everyone is different and everyone has different goals, which is why I hope stephano keeps posting results!
Really, play for fun!
Interstellar
Profile Joined May 2012
Mexico67 Posts
September 11 2012 23:17 GMT
#265
I don't think EG players like Idra, Huk and Incontrol are even looking to compete anymore. It sounds like they are getting more involved in the business end of the company. Which is natural since you can't play SC2 at the top level forever.
El que es chingon, es chingon.
Interstellar
Profile Joined May 2012
Mexico67 Posts
September 11 2012 23:19 GMT
#266
On September 12 2012 08:14 SmokeMonster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 08:08 Interstellar wrote:
On September 12 2012 07:55 SmokeMonster wrote:
On September 12 2012 07:48 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On September 12 2012 04:32 Fix637 wrote:I don't believe in the whole "EG Curse" thing but it is undeniable that some players have produced less results immediately after joining EG. No one really knows why that is but if it does have something to do with EG's practice format then perhaps Stephano's unique practice regimen will keep him at the top.


I believe it is an incentive problem.

It is easy to understand that EG has the money to pay their star SC2 players a livable income. When you're already making $40k+++ a year you don't really have to rely on tournament winnings to sustain a comfortable lifestyle. If someone like Stephano, who is rumored to be making six-figures, it is hard to justify putting in so much effort into winning a $5k tournament when you make more than that a month. Of course no player would outright admit this, but I'm sure there is some meta-analysis in some scientific journal correlating this phenomena.


do well to secure next contract. ever thought of that?


Yeah, but once you've raked in over $100,000 in a single year, it's easy to say, "No thanks, I'm retired."


How does one retire with $100,000?


Invest it wisely. You can buy property and rent it out. Build off that and live rich forever. Easy.
El que es chingon, es chingon.
KookyMonster
Profile Joined January 2012
United States311 Posts
September 11 2012 23:23 GMT
#267
I thought the mockumentary was funny
Paper is Imba. Scissors is fine. -Rock
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
September 12 2012 00:04 GMT
#268
On September 12 2012 08:19 Interstellar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 08:14 SmokeMonster wrote:
On September 12 2012 08:08 Interstellar wrote:
On September 12 2012 07:55 SmokeMonster wrote:
On September 12 2012 07:48 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On September 12 2012 04:32 Fix637 wrote:I don't believe in the whole "EG Curse" thing but it is undeniable that some players have produced less results immediately after joining EG. No one really knows why that is but if it does have something to do with EG's practice format then perhaps Stephano's unique practice regimen will keep him at the top.


I believe it is an incentive problem.

It is easy to understand that EG has the money to pay their star SC2 players a livable income. When you're already making $40k+++ a year you don't really have to rely on tournament winnings to sustain a comfortable lifestyle. If someone like Stephano, who is rumored to be making six-figures, it is hard to justify putting in so much effort into winning a $5k tournament when you make more than that a month. Of course no player would outright admit this, but I'm sure there is some meta-analysis in some scientific journal correlating this phenomena.


do well to secure next contract. ever thought of that?


Yeah, but once you've raked in over $100,000 in a single year, it's easy to say, "No thanks, I'm retired."


How does one retire with $100,000?


Invest it wisely. You can buy property and rent it out. Build off that and live rich forever. Easy.


Why do you guys keep saying that Stephano could "retire"? He's not even old enough to drink in the United States!!! He has a long young life ahead of him.
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
Tula
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria1544 Posts
September 12 2012 00:23 GMT
#269
On September 12 2012 08:19 Interstellar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 08:14 SmokeMonster wrote:
On September 12 2012 08:08 Interstellar wrote:
On September 12 2012 07:55 SmokeMonster wrote:
On September 12 2012 07:48 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On September 12 2012 04:32 Fix637 wrote:I don't believe in the whole "EG Curse" thing but it is undeniable that some players have produced less results immediately after joining EG. No one really knows why that is but if it does have something to do with EG's practice format then perhaps Stephano's unique practice regimen will keep him at the top.


I believe it is an incentive problem.

It is easy to understand that EG has the money to pay their star SC2 players a livable income. When you're already making $40k+++ a year you don't really have to rely on tournament winnings to sustain a comfortable lifestyle. If someone like Stephano, who is rumored to be making six-figures, it is hard to justify putting in so much effort into winning a $5k tournament when you make more than that a month. Of course no player would outright admit this, but I'm sure there is some meta-analysis in some scientific journal correlating this phenomena.


do well to secure next contract. ever thought of that?


Yeah, but once you've raked in over $100,000 in a single year, it's easy to say, "No thanks, I'm retired."


How does one retire with $100,000?


Invest it wisely. You can buy property and rent it out. Build off that and live rich forever. Easy.

No offence but 100k doesn't even get you a flat in Vienna....

Yes in some areas of the world you could retire on that, but definitly not in most western countries.
SentrySteve
Profile Joined March 2010
United States71 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 00:28:54
September 12 2012 00:28 GMT
#270
I can't imagine anyone with basic life experiences could think someone of Stephano's age could retire, from all work, and enjoy the rest of his life.

When I read 'retire' I just assumed they meant from progaming.
sycknesS
Profile Joined April 2009
United States83 Posts
September 12 2012 00:29 GMT
#271
EG Curse? Are you effing silly?
Dontkillme
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)806 Posts
September 12 2012 00:36 GMT
#272
Who on what team?
Bomber & Jaedong & FlaSh & SNSD <3
chris5180
Profile Joined July 2012
198 Posts
September 12 2012 00:48 GMT
#273
not surprised congrats to EG though for the pickup
CounterOrder
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada457 Posts
September 12 2012 01:40 GMT
#274
Are guys serious? People mean retire from SC2. lol!
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
September 12 2012 01:41 GMT
#275
On September 12 2012 08:19 Interstellar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 08:14 SmokeMonster wrote:
On September 12 2012 08:08 Interstellar wrote:
On September 12 2012 07:55 SmokeMonster wrote:
On September 12 2012 07:48 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On September 12 2012 04:32 Fix637 wrote:I don't believe in the whole "EG Curse" thing but it is undeniable that some players have produced less results immediately after joining EG. No one really knows why that is but if it does have something to do with EG's practice format then perhaps Stephano's unique practice regimen will keep him at the top.


I believe it is an incentive problem.

It is easy to understand that EG has the money to pay their star SC2 players a livable income. When you're already making $40k+++ a year you don't really have to rely on tournament winnings to sustain a comfortable lifestyle. If someone like Stephano, who is rumored to be making six-figures, it is hard to justify putting in so much effort into winning a $5k tournament when you make more than that a month. Of course no player would outright admit this, but I'm sure there is some meta-analysis in some scientific journal correlating this phenomena.


do well to secure next contract. ever thought of that?


Yeah, but once you've raked in over $100,000 in a single year, it's easy to say, "No thanks, I'm retired."


How does one retire with $100,000?


Invest it wisely. You can buy property and rent it out. Build off that and live rich forever. Easy.


Or you can continue to play a VIDEO GAME for thousand of dollars a year, milk dat money cow while it's alive.
"Right on" - Morrow
JayVeeDee
Profile Joined June 2012
Faroe Islands25 Posts
September 12 2012 02:24 GMT
#276
-_- This shouldn't surprise anyone They were basically shouting at us the whole time (every stream of EG's team, Stephano was walking by -.-) And then he was training with Demuslim, no surprise there. I myself don't like him joining a pathetic team as EG, because they never get anything done, but this might change it all because of Stephano's good play( skill, mechanics) This might change the whole practice for the team..(and Idra will rage even more, because Stephano will dominate him..When Stephano actually starts practising his ZvZ. Hopefully this will happen I would rather see Stephano go to a team where they actually practise instead of hanging out with chicks, but well, its Stephano... Party and girls all the way, right? Oh right, moneey!
DRG, Marineking & Stephano all the way :D!
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
September 12 2012 02:28 GMT
#277
Great debut for Stephano tonight.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Radin
Profile Joined July 2010
United States57 Posts
September 12 2012 02:30 GMT
#278
On September 12 2012 08:19 Interstellar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 08:14 SmokeMonster wrote:
On September 12 2012 08:08 Interstellar wrote:

Yeah, but once you've raked in over $100,000 in a single year, it's easy to say, "No thanks, I'm retired."


How does one retire with $100,000?


Invest it wisely. You can buy property and rent it out. Build off that and live rich forever. Easy.


You have to be kidding me. It is absolutely not possible to retire at Stephano's age with $100k. You're not even considering the taxes he'll pay on it.

I hope for the sake of humanity that I just got trolled, or else we are doomed.
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
September 12 2012 03:04 GMT
#279
On September 12 2012 07:48 TeslasPigeon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 04:32 Fix637 wrote:I don't believe in the whole "EG Curse" thing but it is undeniable that some players have produced less results immediately after joining EG. No one really knows why that is but if it does have something to do with EG's practice format then perhaps Stephano's unique practice regimen will keep him at the top.


I believe it is an incentive problem.

It is easy to understand that EG has the money to pay their star SC2 players a livable income. When you're already making $40k+++ a year you don't really have to rely on tournament winnings to sustain a comfortable lifestyle. If someone like Stephano, who is rumored to be making six-figures, it is hard to justify putting in so much effort into winning a $5k tournament when you make more than that a month. Of course no player would outright admit this, but I'm sure there is some meta-analysis in some scientific journal correlating this phenomena.


Didn't you hear? $40k a year is like pennies. I can't even imagine making less than half a million a year. I mean how could I afford my next 2 yachts? You can barely scrape by with this kind of money. "Comfortable lifestyle" fucking lol dude

Seriously, though, don't underestimate the power of human greed. That silly little bug in the brain that makes you keep wanting more in an endless never ending cycle. These guys probably would want to keep their skills sharp to secure the next contract. Don't forget that e-sport stardom is an even shorter career than professional athletes so you get what you can now and use that for college later; of course, given that you didn't kill too many brain cells by then because you will need that for studying and as a reserve for the subsequent brain cell killing you will do there.


...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
Black17
Profile Joined October 2011
France435 Posts
September 12 2012 03:31 GMT
#280
On September 12 2012 11:30 Radin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 08:19 Interstellar wrote:
On September 12 2012 08:14 SmokeMonster wrote:
On September 12 2012 08:08 Interstellar wrote:

Yeah, but once you've raked in over $100,000 in a single year, it's easy to say, "No thanks, I'm retired."


How does one retire with $100,000?


Invest it wisely. You can buy property and rent it out. Build off that and live rich forever. Easy.


You have to be kidding me. It is absolutely not possible to retire at Stephano's age with $100k. You're not even considering the taxes he'll pay on it.

I hope for the sake of humanity that I just got trolled, or else we are doomed.


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