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Situation Report: August 31, 2012 by David Kim - Page 36

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JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 00:02:50
September 02 2012 00:01 GMT
#701
It's pretty disheartning to watch majority (maybe it's the vocal majority I dunno) of terrans mentality. No wonder they lose on ladder. If you are convinced you're at a disadvantage at the get go, you've already shot yourself in the foot mentally. You'll never get anywhere at a competive level.

In my eyes the game seems more balanced than it's ever been. I've personally never ever complained, I've just followed the current meta game and I have faith that whatever imbalances that turns up a long the way will sort itself out in the long run. If the terran race truely needs a buff, I have faith it'll get one eventually. But let's see how the pros play it out from here.

btw, David Kim gets too much shit. He's a smart guy.
"Right on" - Morrow
Eusebiu23
Profile Joined July 2012
United States31 Posts
September 02 2012 00:03 GMT
#702
The problem I have with zerg from the Pro scene and matches that I've watched in tournaments, terrans ALWAYS have to pressure, I mean, you have to kill 10+ drones in of zerg to have a chance, and even than its not a guaranteed win, come and kill 10 scvs for terran in early game and see how far behind he is.
BraveProbe
Profile Joined October 2011
36 Posts
September 02 2012 00:37 GMT
#703
I'm so glad they've decided not to make any changes. I believe the best move at this point (not long before HotS) would be not to change anything. Blizzard has forced so many metagame shifts since release with their tweeks and some of these I wish blizzard would've just waited a little longer to see how they'd play out instead of pulling the trigger and attempting to people please. I'm just thinking back to the BW days where most discrepancies in win rates for certain match-ups were resolved by waiting for innovations from the players than from a forced change. Those magical moments are being somewhat stifled.
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The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
September 02 2012 00:45 GMT
#704
What bullshit, they never waited it out for other balance changes.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12053 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 00:50:03
September 02 2012 00:48 GMT
#705
On September 02 2012 09:01 JacobShock wrote:
It's pretty disheartning to watch majority (maybe it's the vocal majority I dunno) of terrans mentality. No wonder they lose on ladder. If you are convinced you're at a disadvantage at the get go, you've already shot yourself in the foot mentally. You'll never get anywhere at a competive level.

In my eyes the game seems more balanced than it's ever been. I've personally never ever complained, I've just followed the current meta game and I have faith that whatever imbalances that turns up a long the way will sort itself out in the long run. If the terran race truely needs a buff, I have faith it'll get one eventually. But let's see how the pros play it out from here.

btw, David Kim gets too much shit. He's a smart guy.


I think the main issue is, is that the vocal majority of other Terran players (not myself, who is now playing mech) are recreating exactly what it was like with zerg players at the time. People complained at zerg players to evolve and lower level zergs were apparently being stupid as FruitDealer was owning everyone, but back then all zergs were not fruit dealer and right now all Terrans are not Taeja.

I honestly think the best thing to happen is to have Terrans like Flash and Fantasy get good, like really good at the game. Flash with his crazy 13+ hours a day of practice will most likely get a mech style/bio style that'll revolutionize the matchup.

I know I keep mentioning mech, but I'm sure they'll get a bio style to suit them too. I just think mech will eventually become standard against zerg for some reason, or atleast more openly used than it is now (there's only a few TOP level terrans doing it).

In Fantasy I trust IMO.
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zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
September 02 2012 00:54 GMT
#706
On September 02 2012 09:48 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 09:01 JacobShock wrote:
It's pretty disheartning to watch majority (maybe it's the vocal majority I dunno) of terrans mentality. No wonder they lose on ladder. If you are convinced you're at a disadvantage at the get go, you've already shot yourself in the foot mentally. You'll never get anywhere at a competive level.

In my eyes the game seems more balanced than it's ever been. I've personally never ever complained, I've just followed the current meta game and I have faith that whatever imbalances that turns up a long the way will sort itself out in the long run. If the terran race truely needs a buff, I have faith it'll get one eventually. But let's see how the pros play it out from here.

btw, David Kim gets too much shit. He's a smart guy.


I think the main issue is, is that the vocal majority of other Terran players (not myself, who is now playing mech) are recreating exactly what it was like with zerg players at the time. People complained at zerg players to evolve and lower level zergs were apparently being stupid as FruitDealer was owning everyone, but back then all zergs were not fruit dealer and right now all Terrans are not Taeja.

I honestly think the best thing to happen is to have Terrans like Flash and Fantasy get good, like really good at the game. Flash with his crazy 13+ hours a day of practice will most likely get a mech style/bio style that'll revolutionize the matchup.

I know I keep mentioning mech, but I'm sure they'll get a bio style to suit them too. I just think mech will eventually become standard against zerg for some reason, or atleast more openly used than it is now (there's only a few TOP level terrans doing it).

In Fantasy I trust IMO.

this is a pretty accurate statement

and saddening because I'm hit at both times >_>

....was a zerg for the first 1-1.5 years of sc2, where complaining as zerg = whiner

and then switched because I felt the game was balanced enough, and cause I felt my multitasking would be better rewarded in terran

turns out more nerfs rolled out for terran and complaining as terran = whiner

ah well =.=
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
ThePlayer33
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia2378 Posts
September 02 2012 00:58 GMT
#707
just wondering if all the terrans played mech what would the winrates be?

also is tvz or tvp more skewed in terms of winrates?
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Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
September 02 2012 01:07 GMT
#708
Finally, I mean FINALLY Blizzard will leave the game alone for some time and will leave the metagame to evolve by itself. Right now there are no clear imbalances in SC2 and there is no need for patches. Yes, zerg have slight advantage versus terran, but I think that this is metagame thing and have nothing to do with balance.
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
September 02 2012 01:10 GMT
#709
On September 02 2012 10:07 Pr0wler wrote:
Finally, I mean FINALLY Blizzard will leave the game alone for some time and will leave the metagame to evolve by itself. Right now there are no clear imbalances in SC2 and there is no need for patches. Yes, zerg have slight advantage versus terran, but I think that this is metagame thing and have nothing to do with balance.

they should really make up their mind if they want to leave the game alone or leave the meta to evolve.
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
Otak
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom110 Posts
September 02 2012 01:41 GMT
#710
On September 02 2012 09:54 zhurai wrote:

and then switched because I felt the game was balanced enough, and cause I felt my multitasking would be better rewarded in terran



Lol I knew this was the reason i've been seeing more terrans on ladder over the past few months. Everyone loves to think they have da sikest multitasking.


On topic: I wish they would just nerf the Queen back to where it was before. Zerg were already too much like "1 size fits all" with regards to defending pressure - lings roaches and queens regardless of what type of attack is coming at them. Making the Queen even better than it already was just made them too good at defending early pressure and turned TvZ into the snoozefest it is now.
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
September 02 2012 01:42 GMT
#711
On September 02 2012 10:41 Otak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 09:54 zhurai wrote:

and then switched because I felt the game was balanced enough, and cause I felt my multitasking would be better rewarded in terran



Lol I knew this was the reason i've been seeing more terrans on ladder over the past few months. Everyone loves to think they have da sikest multitasking.

now I'm random... or rather I have several friend's accounts and playing all the races.
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
Otak
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom110 Posts
September 02 2012 01:43 GMT
#712
Meh even if you're not an example of it I believe my point still stands
CikaZombi
Profile Joined August 2011
Serbia630 Posts
September 02 2012 02:22 GMT
#713
On September 01 2012 15:49 chip789 wrote:
just make ravens faster and seeker missile cheaper.


This guy has it right. SM is a mini nuke which is quite easy to use. Buff it by reducing the cost to at least 100 and you got yourself a deal.
You can no more evade my wrath, than you could your own shadow.
Tao367
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom324 Posts
September 02 2012 02:42 GMT
#714
On September 02 2012 11:22 CikaZombi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 15:49 chip789 wrote:
just make ravens faster and seeker missile cheaper.


This guy has it right. SM is a mini nuke which is quite easy to use. Buff it by reducing the cost to at least 100 and you got yourself a deal.


Using seeker missile twice would be super op.
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
September 02 2012 02:46 GMT
#715
Anyone else feel like Terran is the only race that ever has to "feel it out" like the 1/1/1 etc etc before they "balance" it... I don't mind the balance right now but using that as an excuse for one race but not all three really pisses me off.
FoTG fighting!
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11103 Posts
September 02 2012 02:59 GMT
#716
On September 02 2012 11:46 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
Anyone else feel like Terran is the only race that ever has to "feel it out" like the 1/1/1 etc etc before they "balance" it... I don't mind the balance right now but using that as an excuse for one race but not all three really pisses me off.


The game doesn't look half as broken as it did when the other races waited for a fix. -.- More likely the lot don't understand the game.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
September 02 2012 03:00 GMT
#717
On September 02 2012 11:59 Sabu113 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 11:46 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
Anyone else feel like Terran is the only race that ever has to "feel it out" like the 1/1/1 etc etc before they "balance" it... I don't mind the balance right now but using that as an excuse for one race but not all three really pisses me off.


The game doesn't look half as broken as it did when the other races waited for a fix. -.- More likely the lot don't understand the game.


What do you mean? ^^ Out of curiosity, your statement kind of threw me off. Which lot?
FoTG fighting!
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
September 02 2012 03:57 GMT
#718
On September 02 2012 11:59 Sabu113 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 11:46 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
Anyone else feel like Terran is the only race that ever has to "feel it out" like the 1/1/1 etc etc before they "balance" it... I don't mind the balance right now but using that as an excuse for one race but not all three really pisses me off.


The game doesn't look half as broken as it did when the other races waited for a fix. -.- More likely the lot don't understand the game.


Did you watch GSTL? It was the most disgusting thing I've ever seen.

Also, last month Zerg had the second highest winrate vs Terran than any race x vs race y in the history of SC2 (which was Zerg again in ZvP in January. Terran overall winrate in July was lower than Zerg in any month of SC2 and there are fewer NA GM Terrans than the lowest of any other race in the history of GM's inception...
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
September 02 2012 04:32 GMT
#719
On September 02 2012 09:01 JacobShock wrote:
It's pretty disheartning to watch majority (maybe it's the vocal majority I dunno) of terrans mentality. No wonder they lose on ladder. If you are convinced you're at a disadvantage at the get go, you've already shot yourself in the foot mentally. You'll never get anywhere at a competive level.

In my eyes the game seems more balanced than it's ever been. I've personally never ever complained, I've just followed the current meta game and I have faith that whatever imbalances that turns up a long the way will sort itself out in the long run. If the terran race truely needs a buff, I have faith it'll get one eventually. But let's see how the pros play it out from here.

btw, David Kim gets too much shit. He's a smart guy.

I don't want to be super competitive at this game. All I want to do is play a couple of times a week with my friends and stay competitive with them. None of them play Terran, and they've all "improved" on the ladder, while I have apparently gotten worse. Most of this is due to maps and the power of the other 2 races lategame.

I know the game isn't supposed to be finely balanced at my skill level, but it's pretty evident that, at best, there are huge imbalances at every level except the tip-top and razor thin balance at the top. At worst, Terran matchups need a boost at all levels. With Blizzard's gungho style with balance changes in the past (thors, ghosts, VRs, etc.), their decision to sit on the sidelines now is baffling and infuriating.
fawkz
Profile Joined August 2012
Bangladesh36 Posts
September 02 2012 04:37 GMT
#720
this thread is an abortion. every zerg posting here is just downplaying the HUGE imbalance so they keep their inflated patchzerg winrates, while every terran is begging for a balanced matchup, ie before last patch.

makes me sad, i used to love blizzard games.
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