eSports federation players defer OSL participation - Page 74

On August 25 2012 04:08 JiPrime wrote:


That's why I said "similar," not " same."
Why don't you read properly next time?

On August 25 2012 04:11 Salazarz wrote:


Why don't you make a proper argument next time? What you wrote is nonsense.

On August 25 2012 04:24 JiPrime wrote:


Yeah, and in your point of view, Mr.Chae is a liar and a slanderer, right? /sarcasm

On August 25 2012 04:41 mikedebo wrote:
Did anyone else want to shout "NESTEAAAAAA" when they saw that he'd "signed" the letter? Or was it just me?

On August 25 2012 04:51 Pantaji wrote:
Blizzard refusing to take action or are they taking action behind the scenes?

On August 25 2012 05:00 mrtomjones wrote:

Any action is likely to be behind the scenes. FXOBOSS had a blog in which he stated that if they side with Gom they will lose sales of SC2 in Korea so it is a tough situation considering they would never abandon Gom due to their big investment in them getting SC2 going.

On August 25 2012 05:16 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
KeSPA seems to be trying to protect their only lure for viewers to what their SC2 tournament, and that is famous BW player names. The skill gap is still in favor of GSL in general and they have the least experience and exposure of similar major SC2 tournaments. Monopoloizing players like this is kind of a dick move, but I kind of see where they are coming from. If KeSPA players go all over, KeSPA's leagues will not seem as special (at least to people not familiar with Proleague's history)

On August 25 2012 05:24 Pantaji wrote:


Yeah, but you forget that Blizzard has a say now, whereas in BW they really didn't. While they can hoard their players, if Blizzard steps in they can't do shit. KeSPA, making dumb decisions as always.

On August 25 2012 05:11 Ghos7Face wrote:
Just before I begin, let me say that I am by no means expert on the topic, but I have at least read almost the entire 73 page long thread and some things just don't quite make sense to me. Just please, don't flame me too much if I get something wrong

I am not entirely sure why so many people want to forever live back in the 1990's with BW and the KeSPA dominated scene?

A poster somewhere before me said it really well - BW was great game, but it thrived and survived in Korea for so long only because KeSPA wanted it to. And ye, I believe that is true. They could have done the same with other games as well, but they picked that one, for whatever reason.

Look at what BW was outside of Korea. It had fans, loyal fans, but that was pretty much the extend of it. No companies had any interest in backing up that sort of thing outside of Korea. Those people could only hope to maybe play against one of those super stars one day, they could only watch replays or shitty streams/videos, and the highlight of the year for them was WCG or some shitty small tournament in the middle of nowhere (sorry for the harsh language there). How can you really argue that this was better than what we have currently? A huge event almost every month, players flying across the entire world, playing for thousands (some even millions) of dollars, in front of crowds of thousands of people and hundreds of thousands more watching the live streams, multiple successful teams with many professional players, new sponsors entering the scene and bringing in a lot of money with them (hell, RedBull, a company that owns their own F1 team, something that so few companies can even dream about, is interested in our scene).Yet, I still see comments and people trying to defend KeSPA with their freaking TV channel (why would anyone outside of Korea give a damn about this one?), Korean sponsors and the awful dictatorship over the players they practically own. How does any of that make any sense to anyone?

Another point that I want to bring up is the shelf life of a game. Let's look at some of the other great games out there. CS 1.6 was without a doubt one of the best FPS games out there, played for so long and being really successful. In the end, people got bored of watching the same thing for years. Which is perfectly understandable. Eventually everyone gets bored of something. It might take you a few months, a few years, but in the end it will happen. What happened with Quake, another great game? The same exact thing. Why did those games not have a decent continuation? Because the companies did not stick with the game or because they tried to make something completely new, leaving out the things that actually made those games so amazing.

In the end, the same would have happened to BW too. Maybe not this year, or the next one, but it was going to happen, if it wasn't happening already, judging by what others have already said in this thread. Why was there the need to "torture" the game for so long instead of giving it a quick and honorable death and just transition to the new, much bigger overall SC2? Why did the whole thing had to drag out for so long and end with that shitty mix of BW and SC2?

Which leads to the final thing I want to mention - Blizzard. I have been playing Blizzard games for many years, and like most people, I don't always agree with them. But if there is one thing that we can be sure about is that they know how to make a great game that a lot of people will buy, like and play (ok, ok, D3 is somewhat of an exception, I admit). They made a new game, made it spectator friendly, gave it a modern feel and look but still kept that small thing that you can't really describe, the thing that makes StarCraft what is actually is - a great RTS game. Yea, sure, you can argue that it requires less skill, that it's not as hard or whatever else you want to argue about, but go back to the previous part of my post. Would you rather have the old situation with the "better" game or the current situation with the "inferior game"? Yea, I thought so too...

I read people saying that Blizzard are trying or were trying to kill eSports by enforcing the transition to SC2 and throwing BW out and so on, while in fact Blizzard (and the leagues that initially supported SC2) are probably the sole reason why the whole shit is as big as it is right now. Despite what some might think and say, without Blizzard and their support for the game probably none of this would have ever happened. Of course, they are by no means perfect, but nobody really is. However, they are at least doing something, they are still trying to improve, and that I believe is what really counts.

So in the end, I believe that all of us, as fans, Koreans, Americas or Europeans, have to stick together and support GOM/eSF on that one. GOM represents the new era of the global SC2 scene and the global eSports as whole that we have worked together to build over the past 2 years. KeSPA clearly does not care about the scene outside of Korea. They are just too greedy and focused on their own country to give a fuck about any of us. For this whole thing to grow even further, KeSPA either needs to change or leave the scene. We don't need their TV channel, we don't need their monopoly.

Oh ye, I almost forgot. Leave MLG alone, please. They are getting screwed over by KeSPA just as much as eSF is. Yet again not a single KeSPA player was allowed to come to MLG. The best thing right now would be for MLG to just pull the plug on that agreement if KeSPA keeps bullying them.

On August 25 2012 05:26 zhurai wrote:

what makes you think Blizzard would do anything.