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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 25 2012 02:32 ShadeR wrote: Only respondents are spiteful cuntnuggets like yourself. Why bother with that trash of a post. Opinions man. Some aren't worth crap. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10139 Posts
On August 25 2012 02:27 Jormundr wrote: That isn't what he said. He said BW survived because of Kespa's bullying, not because it was a good game. First part of that sentence is paraphrased, second part is pretty much verbatim. People who don't understand English jumped all over it because 'not' and 'good' were in the same sentence as 'BW'. His message can be paraphrased more clearly like this: Brood War did not survive so long solely because of its merits as a competitive game, but because it was propped up by an aggressive government organization (Kespa). My english must be really bad, because that's exactly what i got from him. Thank you for summing it up. | ||
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gesgi
United States36 Posts
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
On August 25 2012 02:32 ShadeR wrote: Only respondents are spiteful cuntnuggets like yourself. Why bother with that trash of a post. I would have to argue that you are the one who is posting trash. You offer a personal attack and then you belittle his post, while offering no criticism or anything else of value. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10139 Posts
On August 25 2012 02:37 gesgi wrote: So the ESF isn't really that much better than Kespa, neither gives a damn about the players. eSF are the players. Isn't that already on the OP so people stop posting this kind of things ? lol. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On August 25 2012 02:02 StarStruck wrote: I guess I could keep it simple so it's easier to follow. BW lasted for over a decade. That definitely defies the shelf-life of a game competitively. It had a decent following or else it would have caved a long time ago and something else would have replaced it sooner. I know you're gonna pull some smartass answer like this. BW does not defy shelf-life of a game competitively. It got popular since Boxer time, which is around 2002. Counter Strike was released before that time and still being played competitively in Europe until now. Age of Empire is still being played competitively in SEA and China right now. And hell, even dota, although it is a mod, was being played competitively since 2005 until now and still going very strong and 100% will surpass BW's time. What BW did is impressive, sure, but not magical. It simply followed the rule of supply and demand. If there were no BW, other games would get popular in Korea anyway. jk if there were no BW, Boxer might have been KoF98 and made it an esports (provided SNK doesn't make new version every year and leave KoF98 alone like Blizzard did with BW, fuq SNK) | ||
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
On August 25 2012 02:37 Godwrath wrote: My english must be really bad, because that's exactly what i got from him. The main issue is that English lacks the precision of other languages (German as a great example). The statement made no comment on the quality of Brood War as a game, it only stated that its success over a long period of time was independent of the game's inherent value. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 25 2012 02:37 Jormundr wrote: I would have to argue that you are the one who is posting trash. You offer a personal attack and then you belittle his post, while offering no criticism or anything else of value. He already offered his criticism for several pages. If you aren't aware of the guy who he's addressing this guy has stormed not only the SC2 section but the BW section as well with the same message as always. It's like his vendetta or something. If you check his history you would know this to be true. In any case it's the same old, same old from him. Nothing new. I've danced with him several times already and in this case I'm just going to leave him alone because it's just fluff. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 25 2012 02:43 canikizu wrote: I know you're gonna pull some smartass answer like this. BW does not defy shelf-life of a game competitively. It got popular since Boxer time, which is around 2002. Counter Strike was released before that time and still being played competitively in Europe until now. Age of Empire is still being played competitively in SEA and China right now. And hell, even dota, although it is a mod, was being played competitively since 2005 until now and still going very strong and 100% will surpass BW's time. What BW did is impressive, sure, but not magical. It simply followed the rule of supply and demand. If there were no BW, other games would get popular in Korea anyway. jk if there were no BW, Boxer might have been KoF98 and made it an esports (provided SNK doesn't make new version every year and leave KoF98 alone like Blizzard did with BW, fuq SNK) I can say BW is still being played competitively right now even without KeSPA but not as a professional sport. There's a difference between amateur works and having a governing body that gets television time and other exposure. These players are celebrities in Korea. Before BoxeR there was Giyom. I'm sorry if you don't buy into the fact that KeSPA and BW helped in transcending the genre, but they did. Look there have been quite a few blogs on this crap including some girl saying BW isn't magical in the title and it went on for over ten pages of people telling her exactly why it was magical. You don't want to believe me or buy into it fine. Many other people did and that's what matters. | ||
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
On August 25 2012 02:46 StarStruck wrote: He already offered his criticism for several pages. If you aren't aware of the guy who he's addressing this guy has stormed not only the SC2 section but the BW section as well with the same message as always. It's like his vendetta or something. If you check his history you would know this to be true. In any case it's the same old, same old from him. Nothing new. I've danced with him several times already and in this case I'm just going to leave him alone because it's just fluff. I thought you people were ignorant what KeSPa really are, but then after hanging around with you folks I realized that you people were being willfully ignorant. I don't post in your BW forums anymore and you should be happy with that. What I am to you or others shouldn't really cloud your judgement on the subject, that goes against the entire premise of internet discussion. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12026 Posts
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On August 25 2012 02:43 canikizu wrote: I know you're gonna pull some smartass answer like this. BW does not defy shelf-life of a game competitively. It got popular since Boxer time, which is around 2002. Counter Strike was released before that time and still being played competitively in Europe until now. Age of Empire is still being played competitively in SEA and China right now. And hell, even dota, although it is a mod, was being played competitively since 2005 until now and still going very strong and 100% will surpass BW's time. What BW did is impressive, sure, but not magical. It simply followed the rule of supply and demand. If there were no BW, other games would get popular in Korea anyway. jk if there were no BW, Boxer might have been KoF98 and made it an esports (provided SNK doesn't make new version every year and leave KoF98 alone like Blizzard did with BW, fuq SNK) Right because those other games also had prime-time cable slots for 13 years. Recognised by the ministry of culture and achieved a self-sustaining sponsorship based model whereby gamers evolved to pro-gamers with salaries. BW became a cultural phenomenon in Korea where it ceased being a game and became a sport. | ||
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Zane
Romania3916 Posts
On August 25 2012 02:32 ShadeR wrote: Only respondents are spiteful cuntnuggets like yourself. Why bother with that trash of a post. There you are. Anyway, I have nothing against BW, it's just that I am entertained by the hardcore fans, with their elitism and conspiracy theories, and I was expecting a strong answer to JiPrime's heresy. I am disappointed. | ||
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StaplerPhone
United States813 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 25 2012 02:51 JiPrime wrote: I thought you people were ignorant what KeSPa really are, but then after hanging around with you folks I realized that you people were being willfully ignorant. I don't post in your BW forums anymore and you should be happy with that. What I am to you or others shouldn't really cloud your judgement on the subject, that goes against the entire premise of internet discussion. No reason with arguing with you because it's always the same bullcrap and I've debunked you so many times it's getting old. You want to try and go head-to-head with me again? Okay hot shot. Go over my last 150 posts which I made within the last two days, requote them and try to tell me how ignorant I am. You want to deal with me then do it. Get rid of your stupid generalizations. Your opinions have always been the same and for your sake I hope you grow-up sooner rather than later. P.S. the reason you don't post there anymore is probably because everyone else laid you out there already. I don't forget people like you and I'm surprised you lasted around here this long. | ||
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Pimpmuckl
Germany528 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On August 25 2012 02:43 canikizu wrote: I know you're gonna pull some smartass answer like this. BW does not defy shelf-life of a game competitively. It got popular since Boxer time, which is around 2002. Counter Strike was released before that time and still being played competitively in Europe until now. Age of Empire is still being played competitively in SEA and China right now. And hell, even dota, although it is a mod, was being played competitively since 2005 until now and still going very strong and 100% will surpass BW's time. What BW did is impressive, sure, but not magical. It simply followed the rule of supply and demand. If there were no BW, other games would get popular in Korea anyway. jk if there were no BW, Boxer might have been KoF98 and made it an esports (provided SNK doesn't make new version every year and leave KoF98 alone like Blizzard did with BW, fuq SNK) A game being played "competitively" is not the same as being as popular as BW has been, drawing huge audiences consistently even in its decline; drawing huge sponsors, etc. BW's still being played competitively in China and may still be for some years, incidentally. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On August 25 2012 02:37 gesgi wrote: So the ESF isn't really that much better than Kespa, neither gives a damn about the players. lol, except ESF ARE the players... Nestea actually made the statement for them to pull out of OSL... | ||
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
On August 25 2012 03:00 Pimpmuckl wrote: If the eSF now goes back to play in OSL i would be really mad if i were GOM. I hope Boss has the balls he has usually and just goes head to head with KeSPA. That shady shit really isn't good for the scene AT ALL. With the way things are going, I don't see the future being bright as we hoped for back at the esports vision PR show. I warned you all back then. KeSPa can't be trusted especially given their track record. | ||
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