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Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
August 24 2012 17:15 GMT
#1401
On August 25 2012 02:07 JiPrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 02:02 StarStruck wrote:
On August 25 2012 01:57 Warlock40 wrote:
On August 25 2012 01:54 ShadeR wrote:

Actually yes it was.


Could you elaborate for those of us who are unfamiliar with how it was? Thanks.


I guess I could keep it simple so it's easier to follow. BW lasted for over a decade. That definitely defies the shelf-life of a game competitively. It had a decent following or else it would have caved a long time ago and something else would have replaced it sooner.


As a Korean who grew up with the korean BW scene, I guarantee you, if SC2 was released in place of WC3, BW wouldn't have lasted as long. And WC3 could've killed BW anyway if KeSPA folks didn't intervene and pressure OGN/MBC Game to set up favorable timeslots for BW only. BW only lasted this long only because KeSPA willed it, not because WELL you get the idea.

Edit: sorry, forgot which site I was in. Back to playxp, I guess. ㅋㄷㅋㄷㅋㄷ

What have you done?
stew_
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada239 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 17:15:59
August 24 2012 17:15 GMT
#1402
On August 25 2012 02:07 JiPrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 02:02 StarStruck wrote:
On August 25 2012 01:57 Warlock40 wrote:
On August 25 2012 01:54 ShadeR wrote:

Actually yes it was.


Could you elaborate for those of us who are unfamiliar with how it was? Thanks.


I guess I could keep it simple so it's easier to follow. BW lasted for over a decade. That definitely defies the shelf-life of a game competitively. It had a decent following or else it would have caved a long time ago and something else would have replaced it sooner.


As a Korean who grew up with the korean BW scene, I guarantee you, if SC2 was released in place of WC3, BW wouldn't have lasted as long. And WC3 could've killed BW anyway if KeSPA folks didn't intervene and pressure OGN/MBC Game to set up favorable timeslots for BW only. BW only lasted this long only because KeSPA willed it, not because WELL you get the idea.

Edit: sorry, forgot which site I was in. Back to playxp, I guess. ㅋㄷㅋㄷㅋㄷ


whoa dont upset the foreign folks now...

also being a bit of a 스꼴 myself, gotta disagree with you
자연속에 내가 있다! 운!지!
danbel1005
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1319 Posts
August 24 2012 17:15 GMT
#1403
Seems like things are getting better as of right now so I hope it continues that way and no more drama plz...btw Doa is in the hospital (poor guy).
"EE HAN TIMING" Jaedong vs Stork [22 December, 2007] 2set @ Finals EVER OSL.
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
August 24 2012 17:16 GMT
#1404
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sam05396
Profile Joined April 2011
United States783 Posts
August 24 2012 17:17 GMT
#1405
On August 25 2012 02:15 danbel1005 wrote:
Seems like things are getting better as of right now so I hope it continues that way and no more drama plz...btw Doa is in the hospital (poor guy).

how are things getting better?
and what up with doa?
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
August 24 2012 17:18 GMT
#1406
maybe some people will finally realize that ESF != GOM lol

anyway,... interesting
Writer
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10131 Posts
August 24 2012 17:19 GMT
#1407
On August 25 2012 02:16 monkybone wrote:
Who's JiPrime? His post made sense, but it got a lot of weird replies...


Because he said BW wasn't a good game. When i think he meant was not that special to be an e-sport for that many years, but KeSPA kept it alive. Maybe i got it wrong tho.
sam05396
Profile Joined April 2011
United States783 Posts
August 24 2012 17:19 GMT
#1408
On August 25 2012 02:18 ]343[ wrote:
maybe some people will finally realize that ESF != GOM lol

anyway,... interesting

the amazing thing about this is that it is not gom
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 17:23:10
August 24 2012 17:22 GMT
#1409
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JiPrime
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada688 Posts
August 24 2012 17:22 GMT
#1410
On August 25 2012 02:19 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 02:16 monkybone wrote:
Who's JiPrime? His post made sense, but it got a lot of weird replies...


Because he said BW wasn't a good game. When i think he meant was not that special to be an e-sport for that many years, but KeSPA kept it alive. Maybe i got it wrong tho.


No my friend, you got it EXACTLY right. FML I gotta watch my stupid mouth.
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
August 24 2012 17:24 GMT
#1411
On August 25 2012 02:22 JiPrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 02:19 Godwrath wrote:
On August 25 2012 02:16 monkybone wrote:
Who's JiPrime? His post made sense, but it got a lot of weird replies...


Because he said BW wasn't a good game. When i think he meant was not that special to be an e-sport for that many years, but KeSPA kept it alive. Maybe i got it wrong tho.


No my friend, you got it EXACTLY right. FML I gotta watch my stupid mouth.

Curiously, none of the fanatics showed up yet. You still have time to hire some bodyguards.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
August 24 2012 17:25 GMT
#1412
On August 25 2012 02:18 ]343[ wrote:
maybe some people will finally realize that ESF != GOM lol

anyway,... interesting


GOM has provided for the ESF players for 2 years when they had almost no income, and did their best to accommodate their individual situations.

They may not be directly controlled by GOM, but the ESF players are certainly returning the kindness and hospitality by making sure GOM gets a fair fight.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
August 24 2012 17:27 GMT
#1413
On August 25 2012 02:19 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 02:16 monkybone wrote:
Who's JiPrime? His post made sense, but it got a lot of weird replies...


Because he said BW wasn't a good game. When i think he meant was not that special to be an e-sport for that many years, but KeSPA kept it alive. Maybe i got it wrong tho.

That isn't what he said.
He said BW survived because of Kespa's bullying, not because it was a good game.
First part of that sentence is paraphrased, second part is pretty much verbatim.

People who don't understand English jumped all over it because 'not' and 'good' were in the same sentence as 'BW'.

His message can be paraphrased more clearly like this:
Brood War did not survive so long solely because of its merits as a competitive game, but because it was propped up by an aggressive government organization (Kespa).
Capitalism is beneficial for people who work harder than other people. Under capitalism the only way to make more money is to work harder then your competitors whether they be other companies or workers. ~ Vegetarian
forumtext
Profile Joined September 2011
575 Posts
August 24 2012 17:27 GMT
#1414
On August 25 2012 02:10 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 02:07 JiPrime wrote:
On August 25 2012 02:02 StarStruck wrote:
On August 25 2012 01:57 Warlock40 wrote:
On August 25 2012 01:54 ShadeR wrote:

Actually yes it was.


Could you elaborate for those of us who are unfamiliar with how it was? Thanks.


I guess I could keep it simple so it's easier to follow. BW lasted for over a decade. That definitely defies the shelf-life of a game competitively. It had a decent following or else it would have caved a long time ago and something else would have replaced it sooner.


As a Korean who grew up with the korean BW scene, I guarantee you, if SC2 was released in place of WC3, BW wouldn't have lasted as long. And WC3 could've killed BW anyway if KeSPA folks didn't intervene and pressure OGN/MBC Game to set up favorable timeslots for BW only. BW only lasted this long only because KeSPA willed it, not because the game was good.


Oh boy.


Blasphemy!
Lawliet
Profile Joined May 2010
United States70 Posts
August 24 2012 17:28 GMT
#1415
I thought the war3 scene died because of the whole race rigging scandals. I love BW too but it was losing fanbase. I mean look at the last few osls. Smaller and smaller venues. The lack of a foreign scene also really hurt BW.

KESPA is in the wrong here. Not sending players to their partner league due to schedueling is one thing but this is totally retarded. I know they're a governing body but they always do dumb shit like this.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
August 24 2012 17:30 GMT
#1416
On August 25 2012 02:06 Warlock40 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 02:02 StarStruck wrote:
On August 25 2012 01:57 Warlock40 wrote:
On August 25 2012 01:54 ShadeR wrote:

Actually yes it was.


Could you elaborate for those of us who are unfamiliar with how it was? Thanks.


I guess I could keep it simple so it's easier to follow. BW lasted for over a decade. That definitely defies the shelf-life of a game competitively. It had a decent following or else it would have caved a long time ago and something else would have replaced it sooner.


So would you say that it had a strong, loyal (if local) base that kept it consistently financially viable during that time?


Indeed, or else the other sponsors would have closed shop as well.

I've been following for ages man. I've seen all kinds of stuff happen especially within the last few years of teams folding and hard times finding sponsors. You name it. Heck, didn't P&C even have a hard time finding a new owner? Wasn't it WeMade? It's almost as if P&C never existed. O_O

Really cannot remember and it isn't in my files.
sam05396
Profile Joined April 2011
United States783 Posts
August 24 2012 17:30 GMT
#1417
well guess its time for mlg all this complaining makes time fly by
forumtext
Profile Joined September 2011
575 Posts
August 24 2012 17:31 GMT
#1418
On August 25 2012 02:28 Lawliet wrote:
I thought the war3 scene died because of the whole race rigging scandals. I love BW too but it was losing fanbase. I mean look at the last few osls. Smaller and smaller venues. The lack of a foreign scene also really hurt BW.

KESPA is in the wrong here. Not sending players to their partner league due to schedueling is one thing but this is totally retarded. I know they're a governing body but they always do dumb shit like this.


I suspect that if Kespa survive this, they will reach out to the foreign scene. They did tried the Shanghai OSL thing, but the weather and local Chinese officials killed it.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
August 24 2012 17:32 GMT
#1419
On August 25 2012 02:24 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 02:22 JiPrime wrote:
On August 25 2012 02:19 Godwrath wrote:
On August 25 2012 02:16 monkybone wrote:
Who's JiPrime? His post made sense, but it got a lot of weird replies...


Because he said BW wasn't a good game. When i think he meant was not that special to be an e-sport for that many years, but KeSPA kept it alive. Maybe i got it wrong tho.


No my friend, you got it EXACTLY right. FML I gotta watch my stupid mouth.

Curiously, none of the fanatics showed up yet. You still have time to hire some bodyguards.

Only respondents are spiteful cuntnuggets like yourself. Why bother with that trash of a post.

User was warned for this post
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
August 24 2012 17:33 GMT
#1420
On August 25 2012 02:28 Lawliet wrote:
I thought the war3 scene died because of the whole race rigging scandals. I love BW too but it was losing fanbase. I mean look at the last few osls. Smaller and smaller venues. The lack of a foreign scene also really hurt BW.

KESPA is in the wrong here. Not sending players to their partner league due to schedueling is one thing but this is totally retarded. I know they're a governing body but they always do dumb shit like this.


I've debunked that myth many times.

Yes the scandal didn't help WCIII at all. Likewise with the BW match-fixing scandal as well.

The BW numbers were fine, but they weren't really increasing either.

They were using the SK Gymnasium. They had every reason to use that venue for the last few finals because it's owned by SK. You should know this considering you are an SK fan.
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