EPTeSports federation players defer OSL participation - Page 47
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ThePlayer33
Australia2378 Posts
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
On August 24 2012 21:30 blamekilly wrote: FXO Boss is acting more and more like Jessica these days. I wish the guy would shut up for once. I disagree. FXO Boss was pretty cool with KeSPA when they weren't pulling this stuff (sure he was a bit cynical with KeSPA and made some negative remarks regarding them before, but he stopped shortly after they went into SC2 and let their players play in GOM ready action and WCS). | ||
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TBXII
21 Posts
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imperator-xy
Germany1366 Posts
On August 24 2012 21:28 Cubu wrote: but wait, isnt kespa and osl 2 different entities? so that would mean esf screwed over someone innocent? yeah they are not like the same. but they belong together as if they were married. i hope this will turn out well for us | ||
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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
On August 24 2012 21:28 Sea_Food wrote: Slayers and Zenex will roll in the fame, when other teams are stuck in the ESF mess. Its almost like NASL. Zenex is a part of Startale bro.... | ||
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Opera
France469 Posts
What would be the value of GSL if there is OSL ? What would be the value of Proleague if there is GSTL ? KeSPA and ESF have to agree on one individual league and one team league otherwise two things will happen : - The four leagues continue to exist with two distinct sets of players. Only tournaments like WCS, WCG and maybe foreign events will have players from both federation. - GOM dies eventually because KeSPA is more established and OGN has more financial power than GOM. ESF teams have to choose between joining KeSPA or disband. Some will join, some won't. The players from disbanded teams will either join foreign teams, KeSPA teams or retire. Foreign scene dies slowly because KeSPA doesn't care about foreign it and won't send its players abroad for tournaments (officially for scheduling reasons). Doesn't that sound familiar to you ? | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
Korean organisations proceed to destroy it -____- | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On August 24 2012 21:28 Cubu wrote: but wait, isnt kespa and osl 2 different entities? so that would mean esf screwed over someone innocent? ESF screwed over any of their players who wanted to participate in the OSL. Right now they're no better than Kespa and being used as pawns. I guess it's time to boycott all korean sc2? | ||
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B.I.G.
3251 Posts
On August 24 2012 21:31 Lolli92 wrote: So Goldman Sachs and Lehman Brothers are the best companies in the world? If you make the customers unhappy (what just happened big time) you won't get more money either. dont mind him, he obviously knows jack shit about business | ||
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Cubu
1171 Posts
On August 24 2012 21:34 imperator-xy wrote: yeah they are not like the same. but they belong together as if they were married. i hope this will turn out well for us IIRC, several years ago, kespa started charging broadcasting fees for bw to ogn and mbcgames, so no, it's probably nowhere near as if they were married (unless you called it an abusive marriage). With that being said, i think this is such a dick move by esf. If they wanna take a stand, they shouldn't do it at someone else's expense. | ||
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
On August 24 2012 21:37 floor exercise wrote: ESF screwed over any of their players who wanted to participate in the OSL. Right now they're no better than Kespa and being used as pawns. I guess it's time to boycott all korean sc2? Not exactly. Most of their players (well at least the ones who made a comment) were for this. While on the KeSPA side, most players (and their team coach) wanted to participate in GSL but were forbidden. Again, you could forbid some players but for outright forbidding everyone(even though with nothing else to do?) from attempting to participate in GSL? | ||
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Fleuria
England466 Posts
On August 24 2012 21:36 Opera wrote: The main problem is this : "There is no place for several parrallel individual/team leagues in one country." What would be the value of GSL if there is OSL ? What would be the value of Proleague if there is GSTL ? KeSPA and ESF have to agree on one individual league and one team league otherwise two things will happen : - The four leagues continue to exist with two distinct sets of players. Only tournaments like WCS, WCG and maybe foreign events will have players from both federation. - GOM dies eventually because KeSPA is more established and OGN has more financial power than GOM. ESF teams have to choose between joining KeSPA or disband. Some will join, some won't. The players from disbanded teams will either join foreign teams, KeSPA teams or retire. Foreign scene dies slowly because KeSPA doesn't care about foreign it and won't send its players abroad for tournaments (officially for scheduling reasons). Doesn't that sound familiar to you ? GOMS best bet is to let the 8 teams join SPL and then GSL and OSL be the 2 seperate leagues where all compete, if they don't get kespa players to compete in GSL. also the decision to pull out of OSL is the best choice, like others said if GSL players participated in OSL and the kespa players didn't in GSL well OSL is by the best league. Again esF is a collection of players, they all agreed to withdraw from OSL, kespa said no to players entering GSL when players wanted to. | ||
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snafoo
New Zealand1615 Posts
On August 24 2012 21:37 floor exercise wrote: ESF screwed over any of their players who wanted to participate in the OSL. Right now they're no better than Kespa and being used as pawns. I guess it's time to boycott all korean sc2? ESF _______IS______ the players, it's a players organization........... | ||
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Moka
Canada942 Posts
On August 24 2012 21:22 Goldfish wrote: For everyone talking about the "not ready" thing - A lot of the players wanted to participate. Also, what about the B-teamers that don't get paid by KeSPA? They can't participate either? KeSPA is just trying to monopolize the market and take it all to themselves. A lot of people will lose because of that (GOM, jobs loss + less tournaments which means less chances for people to participate as a pro gamer). As for KeSPA and their star power - I come for the positiveness of eSports (usually) that the community and tournament organizers bring . I definitely won't bother with OSL anymore if KeSPA pulls Finally, I couldn't care less if Blizzard prevents KeSPA from playing SC2, KeSPA switches to LoL, and SC2 dies in Korea. (A scenario someone suggested previously back in response to what Blizzard could potentially do.) (The hatewagon on LoL really puts me off of the SC2 community too, even though this is a bit off topic >.>.) + Show Spoiler + Off topic - (For reference, take a look at the comments) Moletrap talks about LoL for a minute and then makes a good reason why he's talking about it, then massive amount of SC2 players take offense and attack the guy. I mean, you can dislike his casting but outright attacking and insulting the guy (and using LoL as an excuse) isn't putting a good image of SC2 fans. I know that's off topic, but Youtube comments doesn't represent the whole sc2 community lol. It's the same level as the twitch.tv chat rooms, full of bullshit. | ||
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Pimpmuckl
Germany528 Posts
First of all KeSPA started that retarded shit in the first place, it is a natural decision to have a way to respond. I REALLY hope Blizzard comes down and slaps both partys just so long that they are nice to each other again -_- | ||
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Kenpark
Germany2350 Posts
Kespa is fucking with MLG after they did everything they could to hype the players at that last MLG. They did so much for them to popularize their players to the sc2 audience and now Kespa fucked them over with not sending the players to MLG, which is big if you consider the reactions in the threads about MLG. | ||
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bearhug
United States999 Posts
On August 24 2012 21:16 Fleuria wrote: They are ready, gom even apparently were pretty accommodating to the scheduling issues and gave some seeds out to them and they flat out declined, they want to concentrate on the big project and the spl playoffs which when the players want to openly participate in gsl is a questionable move. Like mvp said it took him 2 months to transition to sc2 and 3 months to win a championship, thus denying this whole were not ready yet pretty sure players like roro and rain could easily get top 8/16. You need to relearn math. " 2 months to transition to sc2 and 3 months to win a championship" when? 2010 and Jan 2011, 6 months or less after sc2 is released. Now it's Aug 2012, GSL players have practiced for TWO years straight. Now you say " 2 months of practice is enough for you to catch up with those GSL players, beacause MVP did it (in 2010)" | ||
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shArklight
Singapore160 Posts
Would I want that to happen? No, I want to see a global scene that thrives and become the go to game for every eSport event and the only way I see that happening is by KeSPA relenting and actually cooperating with the system that has already been built up by Mr Chae, Sundance...etc. It's going to be a tense couple of weeks ahead. | ||
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schaf
Germany1326 Posts
On August 24 2012 21:08 FataLe wrote: you don't want to see your favourite players getting beat? lol drop the pride. they've already caught up, you can't use that as an excuse and neither are kespa because they know it's silly. ESF being childish? they did it because they know kespa's decision is a sinister one, they're defending themselves because their survivability is at stake here. No, letting their players play and win Code A qualifiers is actually good for Kespa. But the BW pros are not at their full SC2 potential yet. Yes, some like Roro and herO really rock the house in WCS but that doesn't mean that all Kespa players have a good shot at reaching Code A. For me, the Kespa decision was just precautious to wait after this season of Proleague finishes and there is a time of buffer inc which every Kespa player can get accomodated to SC2. Because right now, every player that is still playing bw to play for his team, lags behind in SC2 skill. Its just that simple. | ||
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Sjokola
Netherlands800 Posts
On August 24 2012 21:37 floor exercise wrote: ESF screwed over any of their players who wanted to participate in the OSL. Right now they're no better than Kespa and being used as pawns. I guess it's time to boycott all korean sc2? ESF contacted every team that had players in OSL and Nestea's name was signed as player representative | ||
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