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On August 24 2012 21:23 imallinson wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 21:17 xtyxtbx wrote:
GSL and all of gom own. OSL will die out due to they don't have the players with the popularity. Working with GOM would bring in such more money. But R.I.P. OSL I'm pretty sure it will happen the other way round. Sure Gom have the foreign audience, although the Kespa players will probably have a decent pull for this demographic. However Kespa have the Korean TV which, in money terms, is king. Gom will probably survive a complete split of the two but Kespa will probably come out on top just as it was in BW.
In the long run it will be the other way around, in the short run if the first SC2 OSL flops KeSPA is going to look really stupid here.
But I agree, if I was KeSPA I would've made this power play after HOTS came out.
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On August 24 2012 17:47 iKill wrote:
We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision:
For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL..
Nestea upon releasing this statement
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On August 24 2012 21:17 xtyxtbx wrote:
GSL and all of gom own. OSL will die out due to they don't have the players with the popularity. Working with GOM would bring in such more money. But R.I.P. OSL
You know nothing about BW players or the BW scene right?
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On August 24 2012 21:23 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 21:22 Goldfish wrote:For everyone talking about the "not ready" thing - A lot of the players wanted to participate. Also, what about the B-teamers that don't get paid by KeSPA? They can't participate either? KeSPA is just trying to monopolize the market and take it all to themselves. A lot of people will lose because of that (GOM, jobs loss + less tournaments which means less chances for people to participate as a pro gamer). As for KeSPA and their star power - I come for the positiveness of eSports (usually) that the community and tournament organizers bring . I definitely won't bother with OSL anymore if KeSPA pulls Finally, I couldn't care less if Blizzard prevents KeSPA from playing SC2, KeSPA switches to LoL, and SC2 dies in Korea. (A scenario someone suggested previously back in response to what Blizzard could potentially do.) (The hatewagon on LoL really puts me off of the SC2 community too, even though this is a bit off topic >.>.) + Show Spoiler + Kespa isn't paying the b teamers their salary and it's the team job who is sponsoring the b teamers to pay for their daily bread and food.
And some of team's coaches expressed interest in letting some of their players participate in the GSL. KeSPA said no to that though.
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On August 24 2012 21:22 Neobick wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 21:19 xrapture wrote:On August 24 2012 21:16 Sbrubbles wrote:
Also, a lot of people agree with Kespa now allowing their players to join the Gom tournament "because they're not good enough yet". I think Kespa prohibiting their players from join any tournament is wrong, because it should be the players who should gauge their own skill and, therefore, it should be their decision to join or not a tournament.
Um, no... If you're independent sure. But, if you're on a team I don't think it's too much for them to decide where you represent them. Everyone knew this would happen. Kespa has the players, money, and sponsors. Why on Earth would they play fair with a company so much weaker than them. Just doesn't make sense from a business standpoint. Cause playing fair makes you decent?
The goal of any business is to make as much money as possible and to blow out your competition.
If that isn't your goal than you're a shitty business.
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On August 24 2012 21:25 Goldfish wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 21:22 Dodgin wrote:On August 24 2012 21:19 xrapture wrote:On August 24 2012 21:16 Sbrubbles wrote:
Also, a lot of people agree with Kespa now allowing their players to join the Gom tournament "because they're not good enough yet". I think Kespa prohibiting their players from join any tournament is wrong, because it should be the players who should gauge their own skill and, therefore, it should be their decision to join or not a tournament.
Um, no... If you're independent sure. But, if you're on a team I don't think it's too much for them to decide where you represent them. Everyone knew this would happen. Kespa has the players, money, and sponsors. Why on Earth would they play fair with a company so much weaker than them. Just doesn't make sense from a business standpoint. And now the first SC2 OSL is ruined, that's why they should have played nice. Also KeSPA already has a bad reputation even in Korea. Their super stars (only in BW so far) aren't super stars yet in SC2. Also StarCraft II isn't popular in Korea. Their likeliness of getting boycotted by many from this is high. Again, their excuse of players being too busy doesn't make sense because not every player is doing anything. Also why not let the players or team decide for themselves? Even some of the player coaches said they wanted some of their players participate in GSL. B-teamers are now stuck washing dishes when they could have participate in GSL and maybe became a star.
I will say it again it's not kespa problem who is not going to paid if you want to bring justice to those b teamers take your blinded hate on to the team sponsors for not paying them enough salary and food in the first place.
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On August 24 2012 21:25 Lysanias wrote:So they will invite the entire SlayerS roster to fill the slots ? 
I know you're joking, but Slayers isn't stupid, having OSL succeed when GSL fails is not in the benefit on the non-KeSPA squads.
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but wait, isnt kespa and osl 2 different entities? so that would mean esf screwed over someone innocent?
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On August 24 2012 21:25 Lysanias wrote:So they will invite the entire SlayerS roster to fill the slots ?
Slayers and Zenex will roll in the fame, when other teams are stuck in the ESF mess.
Its almost like NASL.
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On August 24 2012 21:17 Shinobi1982 wrote:
Only way this can get worse is going from not wanting/withholing to play in a tournaments (GSL/OSL) to GOM banning (highly unlikely) Kespa players from GSL and OGN banning eSF players from OSL.
This gets worse if eSF and KeSPA players don't allow their players to go to foreign tournaments with each other. If we see foreign tournaments being forced to decide what side of the line they are on and then foreign teams being pulled into the mess...
If KeSPA and eSF stay seperated ONLY in Korea that would actually make foreign tournaments that much more interesting if it was the only place fans got to see the two sides battle it out...
KeSPA and eSF know that sooner or later fans will demand tournaments where the players can face off... Then again, we still aren't close to seeing Mayweather vs Pacquiao...
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On August 24 2012 21:28 Cubu wrote:
but wait, isnt kespa and osl 2 different entities? so that would mean esf screwed over someone innocent?
no, and no.
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On August 24 2012 21:28 Cubu wrote:
but wait, isnt kespa and osl 2 different entities? so that would mean esf screwed over someone innocent?
OGN sits on the board of directors of Kespa AFAIK.
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On August 24 2012 21:27 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 21:25 Goldfish wrote:On August 24 2012 21:22 Dodgin wrote:On August 24 2012 21:19 xrapture wrote:On August 24 2012 21:16 Sbrubbles wrote:
Also, a lot of people agree with Kespa now allowing their players to join the Gom tournament "because they're not good enough yet". I think Kespa prohibiting their players from join any tournament is wrong, because it should be the players who should gauge their own skill and, therefore, it should be their decision to join or not a tournament.
Um, no... If you're independent sure. But, if you're on a team I don't think it's too much for them to decide where you represent them. Everyone knew this would happen. Kespa has the players, money, and sponsors. Why on Earth would they play fair with a company so much weaker than them. Just doesn't make sense from a business standpoint. And now the first SC2 OSL is ruined, that's why they should have played nice. Also KeSPA already has a bad reputation even in Korea. Their super stars (only in BW so far) aren't super stars yet in SC2. Also StarCraft II isn't popular in Korea. Their likeliness of getting boycotted by many from this is high. Again, their excuse of players being too busy doesn't make sense because not every player is doing anything. Also why not let the players or team decide for themselves? Even some of the player coaches said they wanted some of their players participate in GSL. B-teamers are now stuck washing dishes when they could have participate in GSL and maybe became a star. I will say it again it's not kespa problem who is not going to paid if you want to bring justice to those b teamers take your blinded hate on to the team sponsors for not paying them enough salary and food in the first place.
I made a post in reply before but I only mentioned b-teamers as an example it being silly to forbid all KeSPA players from participating.
Their team's coaches expressed interest in allow players to participate in GSL.
KeSPA forbids everyone.
I mean, I would be fine if they forbid their stars (Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, Stork, etc) and kept them to themselves but KeSPA forbid everyone (B-teamers with not much else to do included).
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Why is everyone so worried about? Gom and GSL are well established in the scene. We have lots of tournaments abroad, and unlike BW, SC2 is a global E-sport.
The only one being hurt here is Kespa.
And I will be there to see how they fall into the abyss. Dead and buried.
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Brood War players coming over was a great idea, but like many said when it was first announced, KESPA is the worst esports organization out there. They are corrupt, they showed originally that they play nice with GSL and are for the expansion of esports worldwide, but this recent move just shows their true color. They want to rule the eSports scene, and once GOM is taken down, they'll go for MLG next.
Thank god for the Esports Federation, hopefully this is resolved, but I'll always be weary of kespa.
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On August 24 2012 21:27 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 21:25 Goldfish wrote:On August 24 2012 21:22 Dodgin wrote:On August 24 2012 21:19 xrapture wrote:On August 24 2012 21:16 Sbrubbles wrote:
Also, a lot of people agree with Kespa now allowing their players to join the Gom tournament "because they're not good enough yet". I think Kespa prohibiting their players from join any tournament is wrong, because it should be the players who should gauge their own skill and, therefore, it should be their decision to join or not a tournament.
Um, no... If you're independent sure. But, if you're on a team I don't think it's too much for them to decide where you represent them. Everyone knew this would happen. Kespa has the players, money, and sponsors. Why on Earth would they play fair with a company so much weaker than them. Just doesn't make sense from a business standpoint. And now the first SC2 OSL is ruined, that's why they should have played nice. Also KeSPA already has a bad reputation even in Korea. Their super stars (only in BW so far) aren't super stars yet in SC2. Also StarCraft II isn't popular in Korea. Their likeliness of getting boycotted by many from this is high. Again, their excuse of players being too busy doesn't make sense because not every player is doing anything. Also why not let the players or team decide for themselves? Even some of the player coaches said they wanted some of their players participate in GSL. B-teamers are now stuck washing dishes when they could have participate in GSL and maybe became a star. I will say it again it's not kespa problem who is not going to paid if you want to bring justice to those b teamers take your blinded hate on to the team sponsors for not paying them enough salary and food in the first place.
But it is KeSPA fault that they can't compete in a tournament despite having nothing scheduled..... That's what all of this is about.
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FXO Boss is acting more and more like Jessica these days. I wish the guy would shut up for once.
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On August 24 2012 21:27 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 21:22 Neobick wrote:On August 24 2012 21:19 xrapture wrote:On August 24 2012 21:16 Sbrubbles wrote:
Also, a lot of people agree with Kespa now allowing their players to join the Gom tournament "because they're not good enough yet". I think Kespa prohibiting their players from join any tournament is wrong, because it should be the players who should gauge their own skill and, therefore, it should be their decision to join or not a tournament.
Um, no... If you're independent sure. But, if you're on a team I don't think it's too much for them to decide where you represent them. Everyone knew this would happen. Kespa has the players, money, and sponsors. Why on Earth would they play fair with a company so much weaker than them. Just doesn't make sense from a business standpoint. Cause playing fair makes you decent? The goal of any business is to make as much money as possible and to blow out your competition. If that isn't your goal than you're a shitty business.
So Goldman Sachs and Lehman Brothers are the best companies in the world? If you make the customers unhappy (what just happened big time) you won't get more money either.
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On August 24 2012 21:20 Cubu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 21:14 baldgye wrote:
One thing I'd like to see... is that the foregn commuity really pulls behind GOM and events like MLG etc pull together to make the OS2L almost redundant... forcing KESPA to act fairly.
It seems like KESPA is totally unwilling to adapt and move with the times, and they seem to be so aggressive with how they are positioning them self's that only something like that could really damage...
It's a really shame in my oppinion but KESPA wanted to keep BW going as long as they did and should accept that as far as SC2 goes they are behind and are not the #1 dog anymore stop bringing mlg into this mess, they have nothing to do with this. And 2 wrongs don't make a right. Kespa may have done wrong but esf just stooped as low as them.
Your being short sighted.
SC2 isn't Korean only, other countries have team houses and have big events with good prize money. Foreign players are earning good money and Koreans who travel earn alot more than those who don't.
If Kespa players can't go to these other tournaments because they are in a Kespa team, they will move.
This move by the ESF is them making a stand and really forcing Kespa to acknowledge that the GSL is the #1 Korean league and that Kespa players benefit from being within it, and the age of Kespa being its only insular league is over.
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On August 24 2012 21:28 Cubu wrote:
but wait, isnt kespa and osl 2 different entities? so that would mean esf screwed over someone innocent?
Yeah I mean they have obvious ties but they are not the same.
Also, its a bit different pulling 7 or 8 out of a RO16 tournament, than not participating in a qualifier.
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