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Dundron2000
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1140 Posts
August 24 2012 12:12 GMT
#861
On August 24 2012 21:08 phoenixfeather95 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 21:06 LimitSEA wrote:
Wasn't Blizzard supposed to release a statement about this today, too? Haven't heard anything yet, unless I've missed it somewhere?


Correct. I was wondering this too.


it is kinda a positive sign since it probably means that some dialog is going on. but regardless a lot of goodwill between Kespa - Gom, Kespa - Blizzard has been lost. even if this situation gets solved it doesn't bode well for the future, there will be a lot more mutual suspicion
n.Die_Jaedong
Coal
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden1535 Posts
August 24 2012 12:13 GMT
#862
''Probably have this decision, the Federation of gas blue'd been caught the same players would have someone to talk to I do not know, but I conglomerates former parachute employees compared self-indulgent and the association with the Federation do not want''

So ye.....
In order to succeed, your desire for success should be greater than your fear of failure.
phoenixfeather95
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
665 Posts
August 24 2012 12:14 GMT
#863
On August 24 2012 21:12 Dundron2000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 21:08 phoenixfeather95 wrote:
On August 24 2012 21:06 LimitSEA wrote:
Wasn't Blizzard supposed to release a statement about this today, too? Haven't heard anything yet, unless I've missed it somewhere?


Correct. I was wondering this too.


it is kinda a positive sign since it probably means that some dialog is going on. but regardless a lot of goodwill between Kespa - Gom, Kespa - Blizzard has been lost. even if this situation gets solved it doesn't bode well for the future, there will be a lot more mutual suspicion


I'm hoping that Blizzard + Gom > KeSPA...
@dbrisingr
Inverse1
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom61 Posts
August 24 2012 12:14 GMT
#864
I think this is a very understandable move by ESF. Regardless of how good the players currently are in Kespa, they made a deal with ESF to work towards a joint scene in Korea, which in turn would bolster Korean eSports on the global stage as it will unite fan bases to watch both Kespa and GOM tournaments. Kespa should pull their players just because they are not up to the standard where they can contend for GSL, that was the sacrifice they made by not transitioning their players earlier to SC2. Its unfortunate for BW fans (myself being both a BW and SC2 fan), but we're going to have to watch Flash and JD and Bisu get beat in GSL and OSL for the next half a year - that's just the way it should be. Kespa flexing their political muscles against the agreement they made with ESF should not be tolerated if we don't want the global scene to collapse and korea to retreat within itself again, back to how it was in BW, under the single 'kespa domination.'
i'm about to open some fuckin' windows
baldgye
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1099 Posts
August 24 2012 12:14 GMT
#865
One thing I'd like to see... is that the foregn commuity really pulls behind GOM and events like MLG etc pull together to make the OS2L almost redundant... forcing KESPA to act fairly.

It seems like KESPA is totally unwilling to adapt and move with the times, and they seem to be so aggressive with how they are positioning them self's that only something like that could really damage...

It's a really shame in my oppinion but KESPA wanted to keep BW going as long as they did and should accept that as far as SC2 goes they are behind and are not the #1 dog anymore
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 12:16:06
August 24 2012 12:15 GMT
#866
wrong thread
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
August 24 2012 12:15 GMT
#867
On August 24 2012 21:05 y0su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 20:58 Frankon wrote:
Im kind of sick of hearing that ESF isn't Gom. Just look at your favorite player team shirt. There is a GOM patch on every uniform in place reserved for sponsors. You can argue that GOM sponsors GSL teams and there for has a unofficial power in ESF. Its especially visible with this move.

Devil advocate mode on

What does ESF teams gain from this? To be honest i see no gain for them.

By withdrawing from the tournament they:
a) limit their sponsors presence on TV
b) make sponsoring a tournament a "risky" business. That could even backfire for GOM since new sponsor would surerly learn about it.
c) limit the additional earnings of their players.
d) this point is pure speculation into how korean team work - decreses team budget duo to not getting percentage of players winning in OSL.

Oh. And its funny that the letter is sign by Nestea. (of IM).
IM team withdrew some of its players from GOM organised event (WCS Korea) so they could be present at Gameson as a publicity. And of course poach some money from IEM.

About Kespa previous move.

Since right now they are in middle of transition and want to keep their fans (yeah they have them. Just compare the GOM studio and PL studio crowds) its more advantageous to them to do it with their tournaments - so they wouldn't lose fans to gom. Also Code A qualifiers are brutal. Even more than the first round of Code S. Sending their players there now is highly inadvisable bearing the results of WCS Korea qualifiers.... Most of Kespa players needed seeds to ge in.

Kespa didn't say they will never play in GSL. They just stated that they are not ready to play yet.

mode off

To sum it up... Those silly koreans.
If it keeps happening again i wouldn't be surprised if in future to participate in any torunament you would have to sign a legally bound document that would state what you can and can't do, and what kind of penalties you will suffer for withdrawing

I agree... I don't know that KeSPA was actually trying to boycott GSL (nor do I know that they weren't). When I heard the announcement that they were not going to participate in Code A qualifiers my first thought was "they must not be ready yet".
Now, I have mixed feelings about ESF players pulling out of OSL. If they (players or ESF) felt that KeSPA was playing games I support their move.

Well... that's my 2 cents, time to microwave some popcorn.


You must be joking me, the players wanted to play in the GSL, Roro already noted in his post-match interview last time that he was disappointed that he was not being allowed to play.
Fleuria
Profile Joined April 2011
England466 Posts
August 24 2012 12:16 GMT
#868
On August 24 2012 21:05 y0su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 20:58 Frankon wrote:
Im kind of sick of hearing that ESF isn't Gom. Just look at your favorite player team shirt. There is a GOM patch on every uniform in place reserved for sponsors. You can argue that GOM sponsors GSL teams and there for has a unofficial power in ESF. Its especially visible with this move.

Devil advocate mode on

What does ESF teams gain from this? To be honest i see no gain for them.

By withdrawing from the tournament they:
a) limit their sponsors presence on TV
b) make sponsoring a tournament a "risky" business. That could even backfire for GOM since new sponsor would surerly learn about it.
c) limit the additional earnings of their players.
d) this point is pure speculation into how korean team work - decreses team budget duo to not getting percentage of players winning in OSL.

Oh. And its funny that the letter is sign by Nestea. (of IM).
IM team withdrew some of its players from GOM organised event (WCS Korea) so they could be present at Gameson as a publicity. And of course poach some money from IEM.

About Kespa previous move.

Since right now they are in middle of transition and want to keep their fans (yeah they have them. Just compare the GOM studio and PL studio crowds) its more advantageous to them to do it with their tournaments - so they wouldn't lose fans to gom. Also Code A qualifiers are brutal. Even more than the first round of Code S. Sending their players there now is highly inadvisable bearing the results of WCS Korea qualifiers.... Most of Kespa players needed seeds to ge in.

Kespa didn't say they will never play in GSL. They just stated that they are not ready to play yet.

mode off

To sum it up... Those silly koreans.
If it keeps happening again i wouldn't be surprised if in future to participate in any torunament you would have to sign a legally bound document that would state what you can and can't do, and what kind of penalties you will suffer for withdrawing

I agree... I don't know that KeSPA was actually trying to boycott GSL (nor do I know that they weren't). When I heard the announcement that they were not going to participate in Code A qualifiers my first thought was "they must not be ready yet".
Now, I have mixed feelings about ESF players pulling out of OSL. If they (players or ESF) felt that KeSPA was playing games I support their move.

Well... that's my 2 cents, time to microwave some popcorn.


They are ready, gom even apparently were pretty accommodating to the scheduling issues and gave some seeds out to them and they flat out declined, they want to concentrate on the big project and the spl playoffs which when the players want to openly participate in gsl is a questionable move.

Like mvp said it took him 2 months to transition to sc2 and 3 months to win a championship, thus denying this whole were not ready yet pretty sure players like roro and rain could easily get top 8/16.
Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
August 24 2012 12:16 GMT
#869
ESF's decision to do this is pretty mindblowing. Wow. You can't say if this move is either good or bad, it's really complicated. Oh the drama...
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
August 24 2012 12:16 GMT
#870
Also, a lot of people agree with Kespa now allowing their players to join the Gom tournament "because they're not good enough yet". I think Kespa prohibiting their players from join any tournament is wrong, because it should be the players who should gauge their own skill and, therefore, it should be their decision to join or not a tournament.
Bora Pain minha porra!
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
August 24 2012 12:17 GMT
#871
This is the right move, and only move, that ESF can make. I hope KeSPA grows up and backs down
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Shinobi1982
Profile Joined January 2011
1605 Posts
August 24 2012 12:17 GMT
#872
Only way this can get worse is going from not wanting/withholing to play in a tournaments (GSL/OSL) to GOM banning (highly unlikely) Kespa players from GSL and OGN banning eSF players from OSL.
Train like an animal, eat like a horse, sleep like a baby, grow like a weed.
xtyxtbx
Profile Joined December 2011
United States53 Posts
August 24 2012 12:17 GMT
#873
GSL and all of gom own. OSL will die out due to they don't have the players with the popularity. Working with GOM would bring in such more money. But R.I.P. OSL
Health of marine with combat sheild = 55. Ht's storm damage = 80. What blizzard?
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
August 24 2012 12:19 GMT
#874
Oh shit oh shit oh shit

go ESF!
Stork HerO and Protoss everywhere - redfive on bnet
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4512 Posts
August 24 2012 12:19 GMT
#875
On August 24 2012 21:17 L3g3nd_ wrote:
This is the right move, and only move, that ESF can make. I hope KeSPA grows up and backs down

Pretty much my thoughts. There was no counter move ESF could have made without Kespa gaining something from it.
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
August 24 2012 12:19 GMT
#876
Nestea has spoken, KeSPA has no choice but to beg for mercy now.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
August 24 2012 12:19 GMT
#877
On August 24 2012 21:16 Sbrubbles wrote:
Also, a lot of people agree with Kespa now allowing their players to join the Gom tournament "because they're not good enough yet". I think Kespa prohibiting their players from join any tournament is wrong, because it should be the players who should gauge their own skill and, therefore, it should be their decision to join or not a tournament.


Um, no... If you're independent sure. But, if you're on a team I don't think it's too much for them to decide where you represent them.

Everyone knew this would happen. Kespa has the players, money, and sponsors. Why on Earth would they play fair with a company so much weaker than them. Just doesn't make sense from a business standpoint.
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
Cubu
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1171 Posts
August 24 2012 12:20 GMT
#878
On August 24 2012 21:14 baldgye wrote:
One thing I'd like to see... is that the foregn commuity really pulls behind GOM and events like MLG etc pull together to make the OS2L almost redundant... forcing KESPA to act fairly.

It seems like KESPA is totally unwilling to adapt and move with the times, and they seem to be so aggressive with how they are positioning them self's that only something like that could really damage...

It's a really shame in my oppinion but KESPA wanted to keep BW going as long as they did and should accept that as far as SC2 goes they are behind and are not the #1 dog anymore


stop bringing mlg into this mess, they have nothing to do with this.

And 2 wrongs don't make a right. Kespa may have done wrong but esf just stooped as low as them.
Incomplet
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1419 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 12:23:19
August 24 2012 12:20 GMT
#879
recent wcs result

+ Show Spoiler +
seriously...Roro just took out GSL champion Seed an hour ago, and now he is giving Creator a run for his money, tied 1-1 atm. Kespa players are doing fine, and if they lose a bit, then suck it up...take it as a learning curve to better yourself. Kespa need to understand that PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT, and minimizing their player exposure will only be detrimental to their player's skill levels.
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Dundron2000
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1140 Posts
August 24 2012 12:20 GMT
#880
On August 24 2012 21:20 Cubu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 21:14 baldgye wrote:
One thing I'd like to see... is that the foregn commuity really pulls behind GOM and events like MLG etc pull together to make the OS2L almost redundant... forcing KESPA to act fairly.

It seems like KESPA is totally unwilling to adapt and move with the times, and they seem to be so aggressive with how they are positioning them self's that only something like that could really damage...

It's a really shame in my oppinion but KESPA wanted to keep BW going as long as they did and should accept that as far as SC2 goes they are behind and are not the #1 dog anymore


stop bringing mlg into this mess, they have nothing to do with this.

And 2 wrongs don't make a right. Kespa may have done wrong but esf just stooped as low as them.


how is pulling out stooping as low? its the only leverage that have!
n.Die_Jaedong
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