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On August 24 2012 20:43 Ragnarork wrote:Man I wish I was able to read Korean. (It's on my TODO list btw ^_^) There must be some interesting reactions...
Google Chrome is your friend.
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On August 24 2012 20:57 Roggay wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 20:54 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 20:49 vanhio wrote:On August 24 2012 20:46 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 20:42 vanhio wrote:On August 24 2012 20:38 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 20:30 ragz_gt wrote:On August 24 2012 20:29 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 20:13 ragz_gt wrote:On August 24 2012 20:10 Lazzi wrote:
I don't know if OSL is on the KeSPa's side, maybe ESF did this move to force OSL to pressure KeSPa too. OSL is part of KeSPA, they sit on KeSPA board. They could break loose from KeSPA but it's HIGHLY unlikely. Can you show which position OGN occupy? + Show Spoiler + They are ON the board of directors (along with all the sponsors/owners to teams) quote FXOBoSs: 1) OGN and KESPA are pretty much the same thing. Their interests are extremely common and 1 company is the common party. http://fxoboss.tumblr.com/post/30093362883/sharpen-the-pitchforks-light-the-torches-kespa-is Could i have the name of the OGN representative on the board of directors? Am i suppose to take that blog post as fact? Not that it even mentions OGN being on the KeSPA board. I'm not doing this just to be a pain. I've notice you've posted many different things in this thread with conviction and i'm wondering, how does he know this? Why don't i know this? The name of the OGN representative ! Ahhahahahahaha GOGO TRYHARD RANGER ! But why i don't know this ? WHYYYYYYY ???????/ So we are supposed to take what hes posted as fact on faith? No ! Who the hell is this clueless guy ? And hence the problem when KeSPA reaches the SC2 board... No one knows anything and its just a bunch of nerd making shit up. I don't understand why you are trying so hard to defend KeSPA?
Because BW > SC2 :D
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THIS MEANS WAR! lol
On August 24 2012 20:58 vanhio wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 20:57 Roggay wrote:On August 24 2012 20:54 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 20:49 vanhio wrote:On August 24 2012 20:46 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 20:42 vanhio wrote:On August 24 2012 20:38 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 20:30 ragz_gt wrote:On August 24 2012 20:29 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 20:13 ragz_gt wrote:
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OSL is part of KeSPA, they sit on KeSPA board. They could break loose from KeSPA but it's HIGHLY unlikely. Can you show which position OGN occupy? + Show Spoiler + They are ON the board of directors (along with all the sponsors/owners to teams) quote FXOBoSs: 1) OGN and KESPA are pretty much the same thing. Their interests are extremely common and 1 company is the common party. http://fxoboss.tumblr.com/post/30093362883/sharpen-the-pitchforks-light-the-torches-kespa-is Could i have the name of the OGN representative on the board of directors? Am i suppose to take that blog post as fact? Not that it even mentions OGN being on the KeSPA board. I'm not doing this just to be a pain. I've notice you've posted many different things in this thread with conviction and i'm wondering, how does he know this? Why don't i know this? The name of the OGN representative ! Ahhahahahahaha GOGO TRYHARD RANGER ! But why i don't know this ? WHYYYYYYY ???????/ So we are supposed to take what hes posted as fact on faith? No ! Who the hell is this clueless guy ? And hence the problem when KeSPA reaches the SC2 board... No one knows anything and its just a bunch of nerd making shit up. I don't understand why you are trying so hard to defend KeSPA? Because BW > SC2 :D
You really should either A) get the fuck out with this stupid argument both are good games or B) get removed by a moderator.
Tired of having BW nostalgic idiots and SC2 fanboyism arguing in threads, get over it holy shit.
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On August 24 2012 20:58 vanhio wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 20:57 Roggay wrote:On August 24 2012 20:54 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 20:49 vanhio wrote:On August 24 2012 20:46 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 20:42 vanhio wrote:On August 24 2012 20:38 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 20:30 ragz_gt wrote:On August 24 2012 20:29 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 20:13 ragz_gt wrote:
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OSL is part of KeSPA, they sit on KeSPA board. They could break loose from KeSPA but it's HIGHLY unlikely. Can you show which position OGN occupy? + Show Spoiler + They are ON the board of directors (along with all the sponsors/owners to teams) quote FXOBoSs: 1) OGN and KESPA are pretty much the same thing. Their interests are extremely common and 1 company is the common party. http://fxoboss.tumblr.com/post/30093362883/sharpen-the-pitchforks-light-the-torches-kespa-is Could i have the name of the OGN representative on the board of directors? Am i suppose to take that blog post as fact? Not that it even mentions OGN being on the KeSPA board. I'm not doing this just to be a pain. I've notice you've posted many different things in this thread with conviction and i'm wondering, how does he know this? Why don't i know this? The name of the OGN representative ! Ahhahahahahaha GOGO TRYHARD RANGER ! But why i don't know this ? WHYYYYYYY ???????/ So we are supposed to take what hes posted as fact on faith? No ! Who the hell is this clueless guy ? And hence the problem when KeSPA reaches the SC2 board... No one knows anything and its just a bunch of nerd making shit up. I don't understand why you are trying so hard to defend KeSPA? Because BW > SC2 :D
and? because kespa helped bw a shitton, srsly, get a clue.
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On August 24 2012 20:58 vanhio wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 20:57 Roggay wrote:On August 24 2012 20:54 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 20:49 vanhio wrote:On August 24 2012 20:46 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 20:42 vanhio wrote:On August 24 2012 20:38 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 20:30 ragz_gt wrote:On August 24 2012 20:29 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 20:13 ragz_gt wrote:
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OSL is part of KeSPA, they sit on KeSPA board. They could break loose from KeSPA but it's HIGHLY unlikely. Can you show which position OGN occupy? + Show Spoiler + They are ON the board of directors (along with all the sponsors/owners to teams) quote FXOBoSs: 1) OGN and KESPA are pretty much the same thing. Their interests are extremely common and 1 company is the common party. http://fxoboss.tumblr.com/post/30093362883/sharpen-the-pitchforks-light-the-torches-kespa-is Could i have the name of the OGN representative on the board of directors? Am i suppose to take that blog post as fact? Not that it even mentions OGN being on the KeSPA board. I'm not doing this just to be a pain. I've notice you've posted many different things in this thread with conviction and i'm wondering, how does he know this? Why don't i know this? The name of the OGN representative ! Ahhahahahahaha GOGO TRYHARD RANGER ! But why i don't know this ? WHYYYYYYY ???????/ So we are supposed to take what hes posted as fact on faith? No ! Who the hell is this clueless guy ? And hence the problem when KeSPA reaches the SC2 board... No one knows anything and its just a bunch of nerd making shit up. I don't understand why you are trying so hard to defend KeSPA? Because BW > SC2 :D
BW is gone. Would you rather all those Kespa players were unemployed? if so you are a completely useless fan
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On August 24 2012 20:55 MisterTea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 20:51 redloser wrote:On August 24 2012 20:49 bearhug wrote:On August 24 2012 20:44 Silent_Gentle wrote:
Kepsa sucks. lol. gom equally sucks, if not more. what did gom do? he has to be trollbaiting Or he is indicating this action here is taken by ESF, not GOM, as explained in bold in the OP.
(or were you talking about "bearhug"? yeah he could be trollbaiting)
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On August 24 2012 20:59 Artok wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 20:58 vanhio wrote:On August 24 2012 20:57 Roggay wrote:On August 24 2012 20:54 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 20:49 vanhio wrote:On August 24 2012 20:46 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 20:42 vanhio wrote:On August 24 2012 20:38 ShadeR wrote:Could i have the name of the OGN representative on the board of directors? Am i suppose to take that blog post as fact? Not that it even mentions OGN being on the KeSPA board. I'm not doing this just to be a pain. I've notice you've posted many different things in this thread with conviction and i'm wondering, how does he know this? Why don't i know this? The name of the OGN representative ! Ahhahahahahaha GOGO TRYHARD RANGER ! But why i don't know this ? WHYYYYYYY ???????/ So we are supposed to take what hes posted as fact on faith? No ! Who the hell is this clueless guy ? And hence the problem when KeSPA reaches the SC2 board... No one knows anything and its just a bunch of nerd making shit up. I don't understand why you are trying so hard to defend KeSPA? Because BW > SC2 :D and? because kespa helped bw a shitton, srsly, get a clue.
okay kespa, thanks for carrying bw. here, have a golden ticken to kill other competing businesses regardless of what your players/fans are asking from you.
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Shader is BW fan, not me. jeezzzzzzzzz
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On August 24 2012 20:58 Frankon wrote:
Im kind of sick of hearing that ESF isn't Gom. Just look at your favorite player team shirt. There is a GOM patch on every uniform in place reserved for sponsors. You can argue that GOM sponsors GSL teams and there for has a unofficial power in ESF. Its especially visible with this move.
Devil advocate mode on
What does ESF teams gain from this? To be honest i see no gain for them.
By withdrawing from the tournament they:
a) limit their sponsors presence on TV
b) make sponsoring a tournament a "risky" business. That could even backfire for GOM since new sponsor would surerly learn about it.
c) limit the additional earnings of their players.
d) this point is pure speculation into how korean team work - decreses team budget duo to not getting percentage of players winning in OSL.
Oh. And its funny that the letter is sign by Nestea. (of IM).
IM team withdrew some of its players from GOM organised event (WCS Korea) so they could be present at Gameson as a publicity. And of course poach some money from IEM.
About Kespa previous move.
Since right now they are in middle of transition and want to keep their fans (yeah they have them. Just compare the GOM studio and PL studio crowds) its more advantageous to them to do it with their tournaments - so they wouldn't lose fans to gom. Also Code A qualifiers are brutal. Even more than the first round of Code S. Sending their players there now is highly inadvisable bearing the results of WCS Korea qualifiers.... Most of Kespa players needed seeds to ge in.
Kespa didn't say they will never play in GSL. They just stated that they are not ready to play yet.
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To sum it up... Those silly koreans.
If it keeps happening again i wouldn't be surprised if in future to participate in any torunament you would have to sign a legally bound document that would state what you can and can't do, and what kind of penalties you will suffer for withdrawing
the ESF teams are ESF teams for a reason. They don't want to be Kespa teams. Their coaches and players left Kespa 2 years ago for a reason. If ESF doesn't support GOM, GOM dies. If GOM dies, ESF dies which means everyone back to Kespa.
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On August 24 2012 20:56 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 20:54 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 20:49 vanhio wrote:On August 24 2012 20:46 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 20:42 vanhio wrote:On August 24 2012 20:38 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 20:30 ragz_gt wrote:On August 24 2012 20:29 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 20:13 ragz_gt wrote:On August 24 2012 20:10 Lazzi wrote:
I don't know if OSL is on the KeSPa's side, maybe ESF did this move to force OSL to pressure KeSPa too. OSL is part of KeSPA, they sit on KeSPA board. They could break loose from KeSPA but it's HIGHLY unlikely. Can you show which position OGN occupy? + Show Spoiler + They are ON the board of directors (along with all the sponsors/owners to teams) quote FXOBoSs: 1) OGN and KESPA are pretty much the same thing. Their interests are extremely common and 1 company is the common party. http://fxoboss.tumblr.com/post/30093362883/sharpen-the-pitchforks-light-the-torches-kespa-is Could i have the name of the OGN representative on the board of directors? Am i suppose to take that blog post as fact? Not that it even mentions OGN being on the KeSPA board. I'm not doing this just to be a pain. I've notice you've posted many different things in this thread with conviction and i'm wondering, how does he know this? Why don't i know this? The name of the OGN representative ! Ahhahahahahaha GOGO TRYHARD RANGER ! But why i don't know this ? WHYYYYYYY ???????/ So we are supposed to take what hes posted as fact on faith? No ! Who the hell is this clueless guy ? And hence the problem when KeSPA reaches the SC2 board... No one knows anything and its just a bunch of nerd making shit up. Do you really think FXOboss is making shit up? I'm sure he knows more than you.
never doubt FXOboss probably one of the most informed if not the most informed person there is
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There were so many good games on the cards for Tuesday, unfortunate but it feels like the right move in my opinion. Hopefully things get sorted by Tuesday so we can see some of those incredible games. >< Would be sad if KeSPA and ESF were split for too long.
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On August 24 2012 21:00 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 20:58 Frankon wrote:
Im kind of sick of hearing that ESF isn't Gom. Just look at your favorite player team shirt. There is a GOM patch on every uniform in place reserved for sponsors. You can argue that GOM sponsors GSL teams and there for has a unofficial power in ESF. Its especially visible with this move.
Devil advocate mode on
What does ESF teams gain from this? To be honest i see no gain for them.
By withdrawing from the tournament they:
a) limit their sponsors presence on TV
b) make sponsoring a tournament a "risky" business. That could even backfire for GOM since new sponsor would surerly learn about it.
c) limit the additional earnings of their players.
d) this point is pure speculation into how korean team work - decreses team budget duo to not getting percentage of players winning in OSL.
Oh. And its funny that the letter is sign by Nestea. (of IM).
IM team withdrew some of its players from GOM organised event (WCS Korea) so they could be present at Gameson as a publicity. And of course poach some money from IEM.
About Kespa previous move.
Since right now they are in middle of transition and want to keep their fans (yeah they have them. Just compare the GOM studio and PL studio crowds) its more advantageous to them to do it with their tournaments - so they wouldn't lose fans to gom. Also Code A qualifiers are brutal. Even more than the first round of Code S. Sending their players there now is highly inadvisable bearing the results of WCS Korea qualifiers.... Most of Kespa players needed seeds to ge in.
Kespa didn't say they will never play in GSL. They just stated that they are not ready to play yet.
mode off
To sum it up... Those silly koreans.
If it keeps happening again i wouldn't be surprised if in future to participate in any torunament you would have to sign a legally bound document that would state what you can and can't do, and what kind of penalties you will suffer for withdrawing the ESF teams are ESF teams for a reason. They don't want to be Kespa teams. Their coaches and players left Kespa 2 years ago for a reason. If ESF doesn't support GOM, GOM dies. If GOM dies, ESF dies which means everyone back to Kespa.
While GOM haven't come out with saying anything about this, ESF has to have GOM's back by default. I can imagine playing in GSL is nicer where you dont get auto DQ for missing out a p in "ppp"
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On August 24 2012 21:00 vanhio wrote:
Shader is BW fan, not me. jeezzzzzzzzz
Being a BW fan doesnt actually means you like KeSPA.
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On August 24 2012 20:53 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 20:52 Broodwurst wrote:On August 24 2012 20:48 S_SienZ wrote:On August 24 2012 20:45 seenster wrote:searched for content on the official kespa site. allthough i can't understand any korean at all  i think i've found the normal fourm with threads and stuff. all the titles i shoved into google translator sound pretty angry. kespa forum Entertaining indeed + Show Spoiler + I had to lol at "SK bastards get out of the cache spa" how dare they!
best one so far: "e Sports hammer axis of evil, Kerala Spa"
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I still think GOM will lose in the long run; Yes, pulling out of OSL hurts them this season temporarily; but given how fast the Kespa players are catching up, they will definitely be just as good or better than most GSL players, and they will just simply move on with OSL as usual w/o the GSL players.
I think the only solution for GOM is to have Blizzard step in at this point in time.
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On August 24 2012 21:02 seenster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 20:53 FataLe wrote:On August 24 2012 20:52 Broodwurst wrote:On August 24 2012 20:48 S_SienZ wrote:On August 24 2012 20:45 seenster wrote:searched for content on the official kespa site. allthough i can't understand any korean at all i think i've found the normal fourm with threads and stuff. all the titles i shoved into google translator sound pretty angry. kespa forum Entertaining indeed + Show Spoiler + I had to lol at "SK bastards get out of the cache spa" how dare they! best one so far: "e Sports hammer axis of evil, Kerala Spa"
Sounds like one badass D3 legendary.
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On August 24 2012 21:02 seenster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 20:53 FataLe wrote:On August 24 2012 20:52 Broodwurst wrote:On August 24 2012 20:48 S_SienZ wrote:On August 24 2012 20:45 seenster wrote:searched for content on the official kespa site. allthough i can't understand any korean at all i think i've found the normal fourm with threads and stuff. all the titles i shoved into google translator sound pretty angry. kespa forum Entertaining indeed + Show Spoiler + I had to lol at "SK bastards get out of the cache spa" how dare they! best one so far: "e Sports hammer axis of evil, Kerala Spa"
wow, they really are using strong words.
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On August 24 2012 21:00 figq wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 20:55 MisterTea wrote:On August 24 2012 20:51 redloser wrote:On August 24 2012 20:49 bearhug wrote:On August 24 2012 20:44 Silent_Gentle wrote:
Kepsa sucks. lol. gom equally sucks, if not more. what did gom do? he has to be trollbaiting Or he is indicating this action here is taken by ESF, not GOM, as explained in bold in the OP. (or were you talking about "bearhug"? yeah he could be trollbaiting)
ofc i was talking about bearhug...
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On August 24 2012 21:02 Roggay wrote:Being a BW fan doesnt actually means you like KeSPA.
Mind blown.
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Shit like this is why Korea and the rest of the world had their 'curtain' for BW- I mean, IEM and MLG are great and all, but they can't hold a candle to GSL / OSL... OSL, MSL, and SPL have been BW for years and years- GSL is 2 years old, and MLG goes with the tide of what games are popular... if it becomes KeSPA v Blizz again, it is going to kill the scene- again...
I agree completely with what FXOBoss said- but, I'm gonna have to side with KeSPA on this one... I don't wanna watch my BW heroes get steamrolled by the new kids on the block just because they haven't had time enough to transition to SC2 pro play. I think the ESF decision is childish, and they should just shrug it off- rather than feeling like the jilted bride that they are...
Man the fuck up, show them that you are better than that, and roll with the punches! Did NASL lay down and die when their initial criticism was through the roof? No- they persevered and are now doing something great for the community. Is GOM going to die from the KeSPA boycott? Probably not. Will GOM die if Blizzard gets involved? Definitely...
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