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Shinobi1982
1605 Posts
On August 24 2012 21:20 Incomplet wrote: + Show Spoiler + seriously...Roro just took out GSL champion Seed an hour ago, and now he is giving Creator a run for his money, tied 1-1 atm. Kespa players are doing fine, and if they lose a bit, then suck it up...take it as a learning curve to better yourself. Kespa need to understand that PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT, and minimizing their player exposure will only be detrimental to their player's skill levels. Spoiler that shit FFS | ||
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B.I.G.
3251 Posts
Also I'm inclined to give a big fuck you to Kespa because every time I hear their goddamn name come up its because they are boycotting something it seems. | ||
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Lordanubis
United Kingdom198 Posts
This could go one of two ways now. Either KeSPA grows up and comes to the negotiating table honestly and openly, or the scene splits in two and collapses in on itself under the infighting between the two camps. Obviously, I hope it's the former that happens, but even if it turns out to be the latter I think ESF have done the right thing here. This isn't their fault whatever ends up happening, it's KeSPA's - they absolutely must defend themselves over this. | ||
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AgentChaos
United Kingdom4569 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On August 24 2012 21:19 xrapture wrote: Um, no... If you're independent sure. But, if you're on a team I don't think it's too much for them to decide where you represent them. Everyone knew this would happen. Kespa has the players, money, and sponsors. Why on Earth would they play fair with a company so much weaker than them. Just doesn't make sense from a business standpoint. And now the first SC2 OSL is ruined, that's why they should have played nice. | ||
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
Also, what about the B-teamers that don't get paid by KeSPA? They can't participate either? KeSPA is just trying to monopolize the market and take it all to themselves. A lot of people will lose because of that (GOM, jobs loss + less tournaments which means less chances for people to participate as a pro gamer). As for KeSPA and their star power - I come for the positiveness of eSports (usually) that the community and tournament organizers bring . I definitely won't bother with OSL anymore if KeSPA pulls Finally, I couldn't care less if Blizzard prevents KeSPA from playing SC2, KeSPA switches to LoL, and SC2 dies in Korea. (A scenario someone suggested previously back in response to what Blizzard could potentially do.) (The hatewagon on LoL really puts me off of the SC2 community too, even though this is a bit off topic >.>.) + Show Spoiler + Off topic - (For reference, take a look at the comments) Moletrap talks about LoL for a minute and then makes a good reason why he's talking about it, then massive amount of SC2 players take offense and attack the guy. I mean, you can dislike his casting but outright attacking and insulting the guy (and using LoL as an excuse) isn't putting a good image of SC2 fans. | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On August 24 2012 21:20 Cubu wrote: stop bringing mlg into this mess, they have nothing to do with this. And 2 wrongs don't make a right. Kespa may have done wrong but esf just stooped as low as them. I disagree. This move will tell Kespa that their plan will not go unopposed. Hopefully this will force them into honoring their previous agreement, and things will be as they should. Doing nothing would be the easiest thing to do, I'm glad that the ESF players are responsible people. | ||
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Neobick
Sweden208 Posts
On August 24 2012 21:19 xrapture wrote: Um, no... If you're independent sure. But, if you're on a team I don't think it's too much for them to decide where you represent them. Everyone knew this would happen. Kespa has the players, money, and sponsors. Why on Earth would they play fair with a company so much weaker than them. Just doesn't make sense from a business standpoint. Cause playing fair makes you decent? | ||
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Aserrin
Uruguay231 Posts
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imallinson
United Kingdom3482 Posts
On August 24 2012 21:17 xtyxtbx wrote: GSL and all of gom own. OSL will die out due to they don't have the players with the popularity. Working with GOM would bring in such more money. But R.I.P. OSL I'm pretty sure it will happen the other way round. Sure Gom have the foreign audience, although the Kespa players will probably have a decent pull for this demographic. However Kespa have the Korean TV which, in money terms, is king. Gom will probably survive a complete split of the two but Kespa will probably come out on top just as it was in BW. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On August 24 2012 21:22 Goldfish wrote: For everyone talking about the "not ready" thing - A lot of the players wanted to participate. Also, what about the B-teamers that don't get paid by KeSPA? They can't participate either? KeSPA is just trying to monopolize the market and take it all to themselves. A lot of people will lose because of that (GOM, jobs loss + less tournaments which means less chances for people to participate as a pro gamer). As for KeSPA and their star power - I come for the positiveness of eSports (usually) that the community and tournament organizers bring . I definitely won't bother with OSL anymore if KeSPA pulls Finally, I couldn't care less if Blizzard prevents KeSPA from playing SC2, KeSPA switches to LoL, and SC2 dies in Korea. (A scenario someone suggested previously back in response to what Blizzard could potentially do.) (The hatewagon on LoL really puts me off of the SC2 community too, even though this is a bit off topic >.>.) + Show Spoiler + Off topic - (For reference, take a look at the comments) Moletrap talks about LoL for a minute and then makes a good reason why he's talking about it, then massive amount of SC2 players take offense and attack the guy. I mean, you can dislike his casting but outright attacking and insulting the guy (and using LoL as an excuse) isn't putting a good image of SC2 fans. Kespa isn't paying the b teamers their salary and it's the team job who is sponsoring the b teamers to pay for their daily bread and food. | ||
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seenster
Germany385 Posts
On August 24 2012 21:10 NHY wrote: Why would you ask such a pointless question? Let's say that you were given a name. How do you know that person actually sits on the board, or that he is even a real person? If you don't want to believe what he says, go look it up. For this particular case, read this: http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273693 Before you ask me to translate, why would you believe that I would do it correctly anyway? Do it yourself. "Absence of GSL KeSPA decision came from the Strategic Planning Committee." - Google Translator | ||
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Asmodeusx
286 Posts
On August 24 2012 17:52 X3GoldDot wrote: this is really REALLY bad news, sigh...... This is actually a good news. SC2 community in Korea is standing up for themselves. I didn't expect that and i'm pleasantly surprised. | ||
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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
Edit: At least we still have WCS - that's like the Olympics, national pride demands mandatory participation. | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
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Medrea
10003 Posts
Playing a classic game of chicken. | ||
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
On August 24 2012 21:22 Dodgin wrote: And now the first SC2 OSL is ruined, that's why they should have played nice. Also KeSPA already has a bad reputation even in Korea. Their super stars (only in BW so far) aren't super stars yet in SC2. Also StarCraft II isn't popular in Korea. Their likeliness of getting boycotted by many from this is high. Again, their excuse of players being too busy doesn't make sense because not every player is doing anything. Also why not let the players or team decide for themselves? Even some of the player coaches said they wanted some of their players participate in GSL. B-teamers are now stuck washing dishes when they could have participate in GSL and maybe became a star. | ||
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
On August 24 2012 21:23 imallinson wrote: I'm pretty sure it will happen the other way round. Sure Gom have the foreign audience, although the Kespa players will probably have a decent pull for this demographic. However Kespa have the Korean TV which, in money terms, is king. Gom will probably survive a complete split of the two but Kespa will probably come out on top just as it was in BW. Given the reaction of Korean fans, I wouldn't be so sure... | ||
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ssg
United States1774 Posts
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