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MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 09:03:36
August 24 2012 09:01 GMT
#61
The thing people need to realize is that from ESF's point of view, KeSPA was boycotting GOM first.

If KeSPA said "you can try out for the GSL if you want" and most of the players said "nah I'm too busy with SPL/OSL, I'll pass" then there is no issue.

But no, KeSPA said "we are refusing players participation in the GSL [regardless of what they want to do]" even though most of them, in interviews, were really positive about trying out.

That is KeSPA boycotting GOM.

So ESF is simply saying "hey if you're gonna not let your players compete in the GOM league and are boycotting us, then we'll do the same back, have fun!" - Besides, it's not in support of the SC2's scene of freedom to play.
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
August 24 2012 09:01 GMT
#62
Good, hopefully kespa will stop being such dicks.
Come play Android Netrunner - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409008
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
August 24 2012 09:01 GMT
#63
kespa vs GOM round 2 begins...

i dont even understand how they cooperate to promote sc2 in the 1st place.
ramon
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4842 Posts
August 24 2012 09:01 GMT
#64
i guess since there are 2 kespa players in each group they can just play matches for seeding or go directly into ro8 matches
bisu
Lyter
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2145 Posts
August 24 2012 09:01 GMT
#65
I think this was called for. Kespa pull out of GSL, so GOMTV loses all the allure of the kespa players in their league. So if they keep the GSL players in OSL, OGN attract GOM fans, but GOM get nothing in return.

Basically, GOM didn't really have a choice, they have to do this if they want to hold their ground and not just get fucked over completely
Moka
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada942 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 09:10:56
August 24 2012 09:01 GMT
#66
Shit just got really serious man.. I don't like this at all, I don't understand, the sc2 korea scene is so fucking small and they want to kill each other already by trying to take a large chunk(Well, I assume, I could be wrong, i am probably).. Grow the scene first to big and successful one, we'll see what happens after..

Anyway, props to ESF standing against the big corporations associations, kespa
ヾ(@⌒_⌒@)ノ
iKill
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Denmark861 Posts
August 24 2012 09:01 GMT
#67
On August 24 2012 17:57 Arceus wrote:
Deciding not to join the next league is really bad, but pulling out in the middle of the league is a dick move. GOM cant just say Fuck You this loud lol. I fear that if KeSPA decides to play dirty too, GOM might be done for


On August 24 2012 17:58 falafelnr1 wrote:
Lol, Kespa and Gom are such babies. Get your shit togheter!


GOM =/= ESF. This is kind of important.

While KeSPA manages their teams and has a big hand in the OSL, GOM does not have any sort of authority over the ESF players. The ESF makes their decisions mostly independently of GOM, although I'd imagine they have a big interest in GOM's success in these matters.

What it means though is that you shouldn't auto-blame GOM for ESF's decisions.
thepuppyassassin: "My god... the deathball's grown wings!"
thOr6136
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Slovenia1775 Posts
August 24 2012 09:01 GMT
#68
ooh my god, why is this happening -,.- it really is bullshit and bad for sc2 in korea
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
August 24 2012 09:01 GMT
#69
Since this is the highest form of Esports drama to date I'll add something to it:

""You know what, FUCK kespa, FUCK ESF, tear them both down kick all people that are in respective organization and put some outsiders to lead this that are totally neutral, like hire some freaking eskimos or something.""
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
Headnoob
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2108 Posts
August 24 2012 09:02 GMT
#70
See, told you guys GOM was on the winning side this time around.

Unfortunately nobody wins from this situation.
Eruism
Profile Joined December 2011
United States312 Posts
August 24 2012 09:02 GMT
#71
wonder if oz is gonna pull out too
PartinG MarineKing Mvp Polt Keen ByuN <3
leveller
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1840 Posts
August 24 2012 09:02 GMT
#72
FUCK guys this scene is hanging by a thin thread as it is without a south korean civil war like this... -.- Just kiss and make up for ESPORTS
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
August 24 2012 09:02 GMT
#73
GG SC2 korean scene, well at least theres still Dota 2 and LoL scenes to watch.
Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
August 24 2012 09:02 GMT
#74
Is GOM related to ESF in any way other than hosting the tournaments for their teams?
Everyday Girl's Day~!
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
August 24 2012 09:02 GMT
#75
If I recall correctly, GomTV isnt a part of the ESF in any way, right?

That fact might be worth being added to the OP, since ESF players are often called "gom players" or "GSL players". But this decision was not done by GOM, but by the teams in the ESF. So no matter whether you like it or hate it, agree or disagree, dont blame GOM for it.

(If theres any factual error in this, please tell me and I'll remove it)
nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
August 24 2012 09:03 GMT
#76
On August 24 2012 17:58 Jakkerr wrote:
hahaha Korean E-sports drama is the BEST.
Get beer and popcorn guys, I predict some epic days of angry Koreans raging at how their organization is better.

Props to ESF, let Kespa know they can't screw every1 over like they did in BW.

Korean reaction is definitely favorable to eSF.
in a state of trance
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
August 24 2012 09:03 GMT
#77
this is fucking stupid and just bad for everyone hopefully they both drop this crap...
NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1601 Posts
August 24 2012 09:04 GMT
#78
I will call this here and now. GOM will not last long in a battle with KESPA. If this does last for any extended period of time, or if after this KESPA says fuck the no trade rule GOM will no longer exist. This was the worst decision GOM could have made they should have leaned on Blizzard to make KESPA share players instead they want to back and forth removing players from events, and in the end there are very few who aren't more intrigued by BW pros coming over, and soon enough they will snipe any half decent GOM talent.

iKill
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Denmark861 Posts
August 24 2012 09:04 GMT
#79
On August 24 2012 18:02 Kreb wrote:
If I recall correctly, GomTV isnt a part of the ESF in any way, right?

That fact might be worth being added to the OP, since ESF players are often called "gom players" or "GSL players". But this decision was not done by GOM, but by the teams in the ESF. So no matter whether you like it or hate it, agree or disagree, dont blame GOM for it.

(If theres any factual error in this, please tell me and I'll remove it)


yeah, I saw that too, seems to be a common misconception. added it
thepuppyassassin: "My god... the deathball's grown wings!"
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10825 Posts
August 24 2012 09:04 GMT
#80
Sounds like an understandable and smart move.
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