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On August 24 2012 07:26 jidolboy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 07:20 ragz_gt wrote:On August 24 2012 07:14 jidolboy wrote:On August 24 2012 07:08 ragz_gt wrote:
They did sign an agreement at the big conference thing everyone was so hyped about. No one knows exact language, but you'd assume there is some guidelines along these lines.
Best thing GOM can do is hope their players crush KeSPA in OSL, which would take all leverage away from KeSPA. Great idea. That way Kespa would prevent their players playing GSL even longer since they all got crushed in their OSL -.- Oops. Wrong quote. Will fix it No one believes the BS about "players are not ready". KeSPA is banking on that they can get by without cooperating with GOM, and a inferior product would make it alot harder. I dont understand how crushing all Kespa players in OSL gotta do with this though o.o
it obviously wouldn't achieve anything. If we can mark off one of the reasons that they are doing this it is definitely not because of player skill
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On August 24 2012 07:27 NoobSkills wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 07:18 Prplppleatr wrote:On August 24 2012 06:58 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:49 valentine1 wrote:On August 24 2012 06:42 Plansix wrote:On August 24 2012 06:38 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:33 Dodgin wrote:On August 24 2012 06:32 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:26 Plansix wrote:On August 24 2012 06:18 NoobSkills wrote:
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Blizzard backed the fuck down lol.
Really in the end who can say who should have won the law suit.
Basically arguing over the right to hold tournaments, and the IP because of it (replays and streaming it and tv).
They make the game, but KESPA did make the BW esports scene. They also are the ones who held the tournaments and paid the players. Perhaps Blizzard should get a fee for allowing their game in an event, but I think the tournament organizers should have the given right for all content produced for and from that event. Maps VODS Interviews ect. Blizzard did not care about the BW scene, they were securing their IP rights for SC2. You are 100% incorrect about the outcome of that case, it settled with Blizzard getting the IP rights to SC2 and KeSPA admitting they needed blizzards approval to show SC2 on TV. Blizzard couldn't even get what they wanted for BroodWar, and they've fully secured their rights for SC2? I don't think so. If KESPA decides to run an event Blizzard can fuck with it what only if their Logo isn't shown? I know that was their goal they weren't necessarily trying to kill BW, but get ready for the eventual switchover from BW, but you really think they won? I don't remember where those television companies/ KESPA said they had to have Blizzard approval for their events, but I will try to find the thread with the outcome again. The #1 reason for no LAN is so Blizzard has 100% control of who can and cannot run tournaments for starcraft 2. Yes, I just found this too.. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/5308167/A_Historic_Moment_in_eSports-5_2_2012I still think KESPA could get around Blizzard's blacklisted IP restrictions, but if they have a license to hold events already according to that, they still do "own" the players. They don't have to cooperate with GOM at least not by law I don't think. And let's not kid ourselves they own the more intriguing players. JD players 44k views on vod and I can't load my player live, but when 2 GOM players are at it ~5k views. I don't see how Blizzard can force KESPA to have their players play in GOM. They can do so through legal action if KeSPA breached the terms of the contract. I don't know the term in Korean law, but you can file a temporary restraining order in the US to enforce a term of a contract while the dispute is being settled. Apple just did it to Samsung in the US and several other markets with a phone, and Samsung cannot sell the phone any more. Also, the many of the Kespa members have America branches and do buisness there. Because that's the law? I mean maybe you guys don't quite understand how IP works... You can't just set up a company that makes a profit off of another person's work without their permission (as stated a hundred times before - licensing). In BW from what I've read, they got away with it because there was no real way to enforce it. Despite the fact that KeSPA 'owns' the players, it still doesn't make what they do any more of a breach of intellectual property rights if they have all the power in Korea and Blizzard doesn't. It's not a play of power, it's a play of rights. Blizzard can do what they like and KeSPA can deal, regardless of how much money and sponsorship they have. It is though, in Blizzard's best interest to get on-side with KeSPA because of the huge potential domestic market. I don't think you get my point. If the contract was only about having to pay a fee for the IP rights to hold an event then the OSL has already done that seeing as the OSL is about to start. If that is true then they aren't breaching their IP rights because Blizzard has been paid. The IP rights do not extend to Blizzard being able to control what KESPA or anyone does with their players. I don't think that Blizzard can force KESPA to share their players based off a TV/IP rights contract. Blizzard, however, can attempt to shut down an OSL by breaking their contract. On August 24 2012 06:56 madsweepslol wrote:On August 24 2012 06:32 NoobSkills wrote:If KESPA decides to run an event Blizzard can fuck with it what only if their Logo isn't shown? Or they could, you know, simply disconnect OSL tourney's from their servers and shut KeSPA's sc2 efforts down cold. If shit ever went that far, anyways. Yup agreed, but then Blizzard would be supporting GOM's way which isn't right either. At least quite a few players for KESPA make some money nowadays. I don't know about GOM teams (for sure), but most hint at no salary, just room and board, possible travel. Wow...you realize those are all assumptions, yes? You are giving KeSPA way too much credit here, imo. If Blizzard wanted to they could revoke KeSPA's rights to SC2 and if they can't put on a tournament, then why would the players care if they broke their rules. They do not own the players..if they wanted to break the rules they would simply be banned from kespa (and if KeSPA can not hold tourneys, who would care?), they would not be thrown in jail or anything like that. As far as the GOM thing goes, you're making even more assumptions. Yes, I do? You're right Blizzard could shut down OSL and then KESPA would have nothing for it's players to play in. Then what happens to the KESPA teams? Are they willing to kill that stability and structure to make them share players? Who knows. If it is too far of a reach then please explain why KESPA is holding back their players. If they're not ready to play for a GSL because the GSL players are too good, then why are the GSL players in the OSL? What other reason could they have for holding back their players other than attempting to weaken/destroy the competition. As far as the GOM team's pay scale thing goes? Are you kidding me? That has been stated over and over again by so many pros that they're not paid or paid very little. Show nested quote +
The thing I find funny is that there is a TON of money in the foreign scene and Kespa only seems mildly interested in getting in on that. If they wanted more money they would cooperate with Gom and grow the market instead of fighting over a small chunk which wont grow. Bad business practice imo.
I think they have their eyes on the foreign scene and are making preparations for it. The rumored English stream and working with MLG. Though I don't know how they feel about the MLG format.
If they had their eyes on the foreign scene they wouldn't screw with their counterpart who has done a ton to boost it and who all of the new fans who did not come from BW have been watching for 2 years.
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On August 24 2012 07:34 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 07:27 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 07:18 Prplppleatr wrote:On August 24 2012 06:58 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:49 valentine1 wrote:On August 24 2012 06:42 Plansix wrote:On August 24 2012 06:38 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:33 Dodgin wrote:On August 24 2012 06:32 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:26 Plansix wrote:
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Blizzard did not care about the BW scene, they were securing their IP rights for SC2. You are 100% incorrect about the outcome of that case, it settled with Blizzard getting the IP rights to SC2 and KeSPA admitting they needed blizzards approval to show SC2 on TV. Blizzard couldn't even get what they wanted for BroodWar, and they've fully secured their rights for SC2? I don't think so. If KESPA decides to run an event Blizzard can fuck with it what only if their Logo isn't shown? I know that was their goal they weren't necessarily trying to kill BW, but get ready for the eventual switchover from BW, but you really think they won? I don't remember where those television companies/ KESPA said they had to have Blizzard approval for their events, but I will try to find the thread with the outcome again. The #1 reason for no LAN is so Blizzard has 100% control of who can and cannot run tournaments for starcraft 2. Yes, I just found this too.. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/5308167/A_Historic_Moment_in_eSports-5_2_2012I still think KESPA could get around Blizzard's blacklisted IP restrictions, but if they have a license to hold events already according to that, they still do "own" the players. They don't have to cooperate with GOM at least not by law I don't think. And let's not kid ourselves they own the more intriguing players. JD players 44k views on vod and I can't load my player live, but when 2 GOM players are at it ~5k views. I don't see how Blizzard can force KESPA to have their players play in GOM. They can do so through legal action if KeSPA breached the terms of the contract. I don't know the term in Korean law, but you can file a temporary restraining order in the US to enforce a term of a contract while the dispute is being settled. Apple just did it to Samsung in the US and several other markets with a phone, and Samsung cannot sell the phone any more. Also, the many of the Kespa members have America branches and do buisness there. Because that's the law? I mean maybe you guys don't quite understand how IP works... You can't just set up a company that makes a profit off of another person's work without their permission (as stated a hundred times before - licensing). In BW from what I've read, they got away with it because there was no real way to enforce it. Despite the fact that KeSPA 'owns' the players, it still doesn't make what they do any more of a breach of intellectual property rights if they have all the power in Korea and Blizzard doesn't. It's not a play of power, it's a play of rights. Blizzard can do what they like and KeSPA can deal, regardless of how much money and sponsorship they have. It is though, in Blizzard's best interest to get on-side with KeSPA because of the huge potential domestic market. I don't think you get my point. If the contract was only about having to pay a fee for the IP rights to hold an event then the OSL has already done that seeing as the OSL is about to start. If that is true then they aren't breaching their IP rights because Blizzard has been paid. The IP rights do not extend to Blizzard being able to control what KESPA or anyone does with their players. I don't think that Blizzard can force KESPA to share their players based off a TV/IP rights contract. Blizzard, however, can attempt to shut down an OSL by breaking their contract. On August 24 2012 06:56 madsweepslol wrote:On August 24 2012 06:32 NoobSkills wrote:If KESPA decides to run an event Blizzard can fuck with it what only if their Logo isn't shown? Or they could, you know, simply disconnect OSL tourney's from their servers and shut KeSPA's sc2 efforts down cold. If shit ever went that far, anyways. Yup agreed, but then Blizzard would be supporting GOM's way which isn't right either. At least quite a few players for KESPA make some money nowadays. I don't know about GOM teams (for sure), but most hint at no salary, just room and board, possible travel. Wow...you realize those are all assumptions, yes? You are giving KeSPA way too much credit here, imo. If Blizzard wanted to they could revoke KeSPA's rights to SC2 and if they can't put on a tournament, then why would the players care if they broke their rules. They do not own the players..if they wanted to break the rules they would simply be banned from kespa (and if KeSPA can not hold tourneys, who would care?), they would not be thrown in jail or anything like that. As far as the GOM thing goes, you're making even more assumptions. Yes, I do? You're right Blizzard could shut down OSL and then KESPA would have nothing for it's players to play in. Then what happens to the KESPA teams? Are they willing to kill that stability and structure to make them share players? Who knows. If it is too far of a reach then please explain why KESPA is holding back their players. If they're not ready to play for a GSL because the GSL players are too good, then why are the GSL players in the OSL? What other reason could they have for holding back their players other than attempting to weaken/destroy the competition. As far as the GOM team's pay scale thing goes? Are you kidding me? That has been stated over and over again by so many pros that they're not paid or paid very little.
The thing I find funny is that there is a TON of money in the foreign scene and Kespa only seems mildly interested in getting in on that. If they wanted more money they would cooperate with Gom and grow the market instead of fighting over a small chunk which wont grow. Bad business practice imo.
I think they have their eyes on the foreign scene and are making preparations for it. The rumored English stream and working with MLG. Though I don't know how they feel about the MLG format. If they had their eyes on the foreign scene they wouldn't screw with their counterpart who has done a ton to boost it and who all of the new fans who did not come from BW have been watching for 2 years.
If they succeed in killing GOM are you not going to watch OSL? Hypothetical.
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On August 24 2012 07:36 NoobSkills wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 07:34 mrtomjones wrote:On August 24 2012 07:27 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 07:18 Prplppleatr wrote:On August 24 2012 06:58 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:49 valentine1 wrote:On August 24 2012 06:42 Plansix wrote:On August 24 2012 06:38 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:33 Dodgin wrote:On August 24 2012 06:32 NoobSkills wrote:
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Blizzard couldn't even get what they wanted for BroodWar, and they've fully secured their rights for SC2? I don't think so. If KESPA decides to run an event Blizzard can fuck with it what only if their Logo isn't shown? I know that was their goal they weren't necessarily trying to kill BW, but get ready for the eventual switchover from BW, but you really think they won? I don't remember where those television companies/ KESPA said they had to have Blizzard approval for their events, but I will try to find the thread with the outcome again. The #1 reason for no LAN is so Blizzard has 100% control of who can and cannot run tournaments for starcraft 2. Yes, I just found this too.. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/5308167/A_Historic_Moment_in_eSports-5_2_2012I still think KESPA could get around Blizzard's blacklisted IP restrictions, but if they have a license to hold events already according to that, they still do "own" the players. They don't have to cooperate with GOM at least not by law I don't think. And let's not kid ourselves they own the more intriguing players. JD players 44k views on vod and I can't load my player live, but when 2 GOM players are at it ~5k views. I don't see how Blizzard can force KESPA to have their players play in GOM. They can do so through legal action if KeSPA breached the terms of the contract. I don't know the term in Korean law, but you can file a temporary restraining order in the US to enforce a term of a contract while the dispute is being settled. Apple just did it to Samsung in the US and several other markets with a phone, and Samsung cannot sell the phone any more. Also, the many of the Kespa members have America branches and do buisness there. Because that's the law? I mean maybe you guys don't quite understand how IP works... You can't just set up a company that makes a profit off of another person's work without their permission (as stated a hundred times before - licensing). In BW from what I've read, they got away with it because there was no real way to enforce it. Despite the fact that KeSPA 'owns' the players, it still doesn't make what they do any more of a breach of intellectual property rights if they have all the power in Korea and Blizzard doesn't. It's not a play of power, it's a play of rights. Blizzard can do what they like and KeSPA can deal, regardless of how much money and sponsorship they have. It is though, in Blizzard's best interest to get on-side with KeSPA because of the huge potential domestic market. I don't think you get my point. If the contract was only about having to pay a fee for the IP rights to hold an event then the OSL has already done that seeing as the OSL is about to start. If that is true then they aren't breaching their IP rights because Blizzard has been paid. The IP rights do not extend to Blizzard being able to control what KESPA or anyone does with their players. I don't think that Blizzard can force KESPA to share their players based off a TV/IP rights contract. Blizzard, however, can attempt to shut down an OSL by breaking their contract. On August 24 2012 06:56 madsweepslol wrote:On August 24 2012 06:32 NoobSkills wrote:If KESPA decides to run an event Blizzard can fuck with it what only if their Logo isn't shown? Or they could, you know, simply disconnect OSL tourney's from their servers and shut KeSPA's sc2 efforts down cold. If shit ever went that far, anyways. Yup agreed, but then Blizzard would be supporting GOM's way which isn't right either. At least quite a few players for KESPA make some money nowadays. I don't know about GOM teams (for sure), but most hint at no salary, just room and board, possible travel. Wow...you realize those are all assumptions, yes? You are giving KeSPA way too much credit here, imo. If Blizzard wanted to they could revoke KeSPA's rights to SC2 and if they can't put on a tournament, then why would the players care if they broke their rules. They do not own the players..if they wanted to break the rules they would simply be banned from kespa (and if KeSPA can not hold tourneys, who would care?), they would not be thrown in jail or anything like that. As far as the GOM thing goes, you're making even more assumptions. Yes, I do? You're right Blizzard could shut down OSL and then KESPA would have nothing for it's players to play in. Then what happens to the KESPA teams? Are they willing to kill that stability and structure to make them share players? Who knows. If it is too far of a reach then please explain why KESPA is holding back their players. If they're not ready to play for a GSL because the GSL players are too good, then why are the GSL players in the OSL? What other reason could they have for holding back their players other than attempting to weaken/destroy the competition. As far as the GOM team's pay scale thing goes? Are you kidding me? That has been stated over and over again by so many pros that they're not paid or paid very little.
The thing I find funny is that there is a TON of money in the foreign scene and Kespa only seems mildly interested in getting in on that. If they wanted more money they would cooperate with Gom and grow the market instead of fighting over a small chunk which wont grow. Bad business practice imo.
I think they have their eyes on the foreign scene and are making preparations for it. The rumored English stream and working with MLG. Though I don't know how they feel about the MLG format. If they had their eyes on the foreign scene they wouldn't screw with their counterpart who has done a ton to boost it and who all of the new fans who did not come from BW have been watching for 2 years. If they succeed in killing GOM are you not going to watch OSL? Hypothetical. I promised myself that if they killed Gom I am going to watch fighting games.
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some bs
they have to get all the players together...
it will make the game that much better
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On August 24 2012 07:37 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 07:36 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 07:34 mrtomjones wrote:On August 24 2012 07:27 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 07:18 Prplppleatr wrote:On August 24 2012 06:58 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:49 valentine1 wrote:On August 24 2012 06:42 Plansix wrote:On August 24 2012 06:38 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:33 Dodgin wrote:
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The #1 reason for no LAN is so Blizzard has 100% control of who can and cannot run tournaments for starcraft 2. Yes, I just found this too.. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/5308167/A_Historic_Moment_in_eSports-5_2_2012I still think KESPA could get around Blizzard's blacklisted IP restrictions, but if they have a license to hold events already according to that, they still do "own" the players. They don't have to cooperate with GOM at least not by law I don't think. And let's not kid ourselves they own the more intriguing players. JD players 44k views on vod and I can't load my player live, but when 2 GOM players are at it ~5k views. I don't see how Blizzard can force KESPA to have their players play in GOM. They can do so through legal action if KeSPA breached the terms of the contract. I don't know the term in Korean law, but you can file a temporary restraining order in the US to enforce a term of a contract while the dispute is being settled. Apple just did it to Samsung in the US and several other markets with a phone, and Samsung cannot sell the phone any more. Also, the many of the Kespa members have America branches and do buisness there. Because that's the law? I mean maybe you guys don't quite understand how IP works... You can't just set up a company that makes a profit off of another person's work without their permission (as stated a hundred times before - licensing). In BW from what I've read, they got away with it because there was no real way to enforce it. Despite the fact that KeSPA 'owns' the players, it still doesn't make what they do any more of a breach of intellectual property rights if they have all the power in Korea and Blizzard doesn't. It's not a play of power, it's a play of rights. Blizzard can do what they like and KeSPA can deal, regardless of how much money and sponsorship they have. It is though, in Blizzard's best interest to get on-side with KeSPA because of the huge potential domestic market. I don't think you get my point. If the contract was only about having to pay a fee for the IP rights to hold an event then the OSL has already done that seeing as the OSL is about to start. If that is true then they aren't breaching their IP rights because Blizzard has been paid. The IP rights do not extend to Blizzard being able to control what KESPA or anyone does with their players. I don't think that Blizzard can force KESPA to share their players based off a TV/IP rights contract. Blizzard, however, can attempt to shut down an OSL by breaking their contract. On August 24 2012 06:56 madsweepslol wrote:On August 24 2012 06:32 NoobSkills wrote:If KESPA decides to run an event Blizzard can fuck with it what only if their Logo isn't shown? Or they could, you know, simply disconnect OSL tourney's from their servers and shut KeSPA's sc2 efforts down cold. If shit ever went that far, anyways. Yup agreed, but then Blizzard would be supporting GOM's way which isn't right either. At least quite a few players for KESPA make some money nowadays. I don't know about GOM teams (for sure), but most hint at no salary, just room and board, possible travel. Wow...you realize those are all assumptions, yes? You are giving KeSPA way too much credit here, imo. If Blizzard wanted to they could revoke KeSPA's rights to SC2 and if they can't put on a tournament, then why would the players care if they broke their rules. They do not own the players..if they wanted to break the rules they would simply be banned from kespa (and if KeSPA can not hold tourneys, who would care?), they would not be thrown in jail or anything like that. As far as the GOM thing goes, you're making even more assumptions. Yes, I do? You're right Blizzard could shut down OSL and then KESPA would have nothing for it's players to play in. Then what happens to the KESPA teams? Are they willing to kill that stability and structure to make them share players? Who knows. If it is too far of a reach then please explain why KESPA is holding back their players. If they're not ready to play for a GSL because the GSL players are too good, then why are the GSL players in the OSL? What other reason could they have for holding back their players other than attempting to weaken/destroy the competition. As far as the GOM team's pay scale thing goes? Are you kidding me? That has been stated over and over again by so many pros that they're not paid or paid very little.
The thing I find funny is that there is a TON of money in the foreign scene and Kespa only seems mildly interested in getting in on that. If they wanted more money they would cooperate with Gom and grow the market instead of fighting over a small chunk which wont grow. Bad business practice imo.
I think they have their eyes on the foreign scene and are making preparations for it. The rumored English stream and working with MLG. Though I don't know how they feel about the MLG format. If they had their eyes on the foreign scene they wouldn't screw with their counterpart who has done a ton to boost it and who all of the new fans who did not come from BW have been watching for 2 years. If they succeed in killing GOM are you not going to watch OSL? Hypothetical. I promised myself that if they killed Gom I am going to watch fighting games.
Halo 4 is coming 
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On August 24 2012 07:25 iKill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 07:19 Medrea wrote:On August 24 2012 07:02 Xiphos wrote:On August 24 2012 06:59 sam05396 wrote:On August 24 2012 06:58 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:49 valentine1 wrote:On August 24 2012 06:42 Plansix wrote:On August 24 2012 06:38 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:33 Dodgin wrote:On August 24 2012 06:32 NoobSkills wrote:
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Blizzard couldn't even get what they wanted for BroodWar, and they've fully secured their rights for SC2? I don't think so. If KESPA decides to run an event Blizzard can fuck with it what only if their Logo isn't shown? I know that was their goal they weren't necessarily trying to kill BW, but get ready for the eventual switchover from BW, but you really think they won? I don't remember where those television companies/ KESPA said they had to have Blizzard approval for their events, but I will try to find the thread with the outcome again. The #1 reason for no LAN is so Blizzard has 100% control of who can and cannot run tournaments for starcraft 2. Yes, I just found this too.. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/5308167/A_Historic_Moment_in_eSports-5_2_2012I still think KESPA could get around Blizzard's blacklisted IP restrictions, but if they have a license to hold events already according to that, they still do "own" the players. They don't have to cooperate with GOM at least not by law I don't think. And let's not kid ourselves they own the more intriguing players. JD players 44k views on vod and I can't load my player live, but when 2 GOM players are at it ~5k views. I don't see how Blizzard can force KESPA to have their players play in GOM. They can do so through legal action if KeSPA breached the terms of the contract. I don't know the term in Korean law, but you can file a temporary restraining order in the US to enforce a term of a contract while the dispute is being settled. Apple just did it to Samsung in the US and several other markets with a phone, and Samsung cannot sell the phone any more. Also, the many of the Kespa members have America branches and do buisness there. Because that's the law? I mean maybe you guys don't quite understand how IP works... You can't just set up a company that makes a profit off of another person's work without their permission (as stated a hundred times before - licensing). In BW from what I've read, they got away with it because there was no real way to enforce it. Despite the fact that KeSPA 'owns' the players, it still doesn't make what they do any more of a breach of intellectual property rights if they have all the power in Korea and Blizzard doesn't. It's not a play of power, it's a play of rights. Blizzard can do what they like and KeSPA can deal, regardless of how much money and sponsorship they have. It is though, in Blizzard's best interest to get on-side with KeSPA because of the huge potential domestic market. I don't think you get my point. If the contract was only about having to pay a fee for the IP rights to hold an event then the OSL has already done that seeing as the OSL is about to start. If that is true then they aren't breaching their IP rights because Blizzard has been paid. The IP rights do not extend to Blizzard being able to control what KESPA or anyone does with their players. I don't think that Blizzard can force KESPA to share their players based off a TV/IP rights contract. Blizzard, however, can attempt to shut down an OSL by breaking their contract. just shut down all korea for "maintenance" whenever osl is on ^^ I'm sure that Korea can find their own private server and play on that. That would be some serious infringement should they decide to broadcast it. They don't need to do this, they can blacklist venues from bnet as we've seen before.
Private server is by definition not on bnet.
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The most interesting players in sc2 right now are the kespa pros, what a shame. Effort actually uses Zerg's rushes (rofl). Soulkey makes infestors look way imba. By.Sun seemingly is able to win any scenario you put him in with blink stalker micro alone. Jaedong is Jaedong. Flash is Flash. The list goes on and on. Imo this is the most interesting time to be a fan of sc2.
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On August 24 2012 07:38 NoobSkills wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 07:37 achan1058 wrote:On August 24 2012 07:36 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 07:34 mrtomjones wrote:On August 24 2012 07:27 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 07:18 Prplppleatr wrote:On August 24 2012 06:58 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:49 valentine1 wrote:On August 24 2012 06:42 Plansix wrote:On August 24 2012 06:38 NoobSkills wrote:[quote] Yes, I just found this too.. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/5308167/A_Historic_Moment_in_eSports-5_2_2012I still think KESPA could get around Blizzard's blacklisted IP restrictions, but if they have a license to hold events already according to that, they still do "own" the players. They don't have to cooperate with GOM at least not by law I don't think. And let's not kid ourselves they own the more intriguing players. JD players 44k views on vod and I can't load my player live, but when 2 GOM players are at it ~5k views. I don't see how Blizzard can force KESPA to have their players play in GOM. They can do so through legal action if KeSPA breached the terms of the contract. I don't know the term in Korean law, but you can file a temporary restraining order in the US to enforce a term of a contract while the dispute is being settled. Apple just did it to Samsung in the US and several other markets with a phone, and Samsung cannot sell the phone any more. Also, the many of the Kespa members have America branches and do buisness there. Because that's the law? I mean maybe you guys don't quite understand how IP works... You can't just set up a company that makes a profit off of another person's work without their permission (as stated a hundred times before - licensing). In BW from what I've read, they got away with it because there was no real way to enforce it. Despite the fact that KeSPA 'owns' the players, it still doesn't make what they do any more of a breach of intellectual property rights if they have all the power in Korea and Blizzard doesn't. It's not a play of power, it's a play of rights. Blizzard can do what they like and KeSPA can deal, regardless of how much money and sponsorship they have. It is though, in Blizzard's best interest to get on-side with KeSPA because of the huge potential domestic market. I don't think you get my point. If the contract was only about having to pay a fee for the IP rights to hold an event then the OSL has already done that seeing as the OSL is about to start. If that is true then they aren't breaching their IP rights because Blizzard has been paid. The IP rights do not extend to Blizzard being able to control what KESPA or anyone does with their players. I don't think that Blizzard can force KESPA to share their players based off a TV/IP rights contract. Blizzard, however, can attempt to shut down an OSL by breaking their contract. On August 24 2012 06:56 madsweepslol wrote:On August 24 2012 06:32 NoobSkills wrote:If KESPA decides to run an event Blizzard can fuck with it what only if their Logo isn't shown? Or they could, you know, simply disconnect OSL tourney's from their servers and shut KeSPA's sc2 efforts down cold. If shit ever went that far, anyways. Yup agreed, but then Blizzard would be supporting GOM's way which isn't right either. At least quite a few players for KESPA make some money nowadays. I don't know about GOM teams (for sure), but most hint at no salary, just room and board, possible travel. Wow...you realize those are all assumptions, yes? You are giving KeSPA way too much credit here, imo. If Blizzard wanted to they could revoke KeSPA's rights to SC2 and if they can't put on a tournament, then why would the players care if they broke their rules. They do not own the players..if they wanted to break the rules they would simply be banned from kespa (and if KeSPA can not hold tourneys, who would care?), they would not be thrown in jail or anything like that. As far as the GOM thing goes, you're making even more assumptions. Yes, I do? You're right Blizzard could shut down OSL and then KESPA would have nothing for it's players to play in. Then what happens to the KESPA teams? Are they willing to kill that stability and structure to make them share players? Who knows. If it is too far of a reach then please explain why KESPA is holding back their players. If they're not ready to play for a GSL because the GSL players are too good, then why are the GSL players in the OSL? What other reason could they have for holding back their players other than attempting to weaken/destroy the competition. As far as the GOM team's pay scale thing goes? Are you kidding me? That has been stated over and over again by so many pros that they're not paid or paid very little.
The thing I find funny is that there is a TON of money in the foreign scene and Kespa only seems mildly interested in getting in on that. If they wanted more money they would cooperate with Gom and grow the market instead of fighting over a small chunk which wont grow. Bad business practice imo.
I think they have their eyes on the foreign scene and are making preparations for it. The rumored English stream and working with MLG. Though I don't know how they feel about the MLG format. If they had their eyes on the foreign scene they wouldn't screw with their counterpart who has done a ton to boost it and who all of the new fans who did not come from BW have been watching for 2 years. If they succeed in killing GOM are you not going to watch OSL? Hypothetical. I promised myself that if they killed Gom I am going to watch fighting games. Halo 4 is coming
Never liked FPS, but that doesn't relate to kespa.
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I have just never understood the motivaition of KeSPA. Sorry to bring it up for what must be the millionth time for some of you guys, but why wouldn't any organisation welcome competition and also seek money in the foreign market? I mean if what people say is true, that it's the foreign scene subscriptions (of which I am one) to GOM that keep it making the monies, then why wouldn't they want to allow their players to play in GSL, and if KeSPA players are better then people will instead want to watch OSL streams. I mean it's a change from how it worked in BW, I get that... but it seems strange to me. The best exposure for GSL has been by sending players to MLG/IEM/DH/Iron Squid etc.
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So basically KeSPA treat its players like slaves. The players want to play in the GSL, but the suits decided that this is not the best for the business, so no one can go... Such a shame.
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On August 24 2012 07:39 valentine1 wrote:
I have just never understood the motivaition of KeSPA. Sorry to bring it up for what must be the millionth time for some of you guys, but why wouldn't any organisation welcome competition and also seek money in the foreign market? I mean if what people say is true, that it's the foreign scene subscriptions (of which I am one) to GOM that keep it making the monies, then why wouldn't they want to allow their players to play in GSL, and if KeSPA players are better then people will instead want to watch OSL streams. I mean it's a change from how it worked in BW, I get that... but it seems strange to me. The best exposure for GSL has been by sending players to MLG/IEM/DH/Iron Squid etc.
And kespa just screwed MLG over. I hope Sundance is really, really pissed off.
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On August 24 2012 07:38 soullogik wrote:
some bs
they have to get all the players together...
it will make the game that much better
Everyone does need to realize that over saturation is also bad.
GSL Code A
GSL Code S
GSL Team League
Pro League
OSL
Foreign events
Though a complete combination of everything would be nice.
4 Foreign events a year.
3 OSL
3 GSL
Team League Season
Though the SC gods probably couldn't make that happen 
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On August 24 2012 07:39 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 07:25 iKill wrote:On August 24 2012 07:19 Medrea wrote:On August 24 2012 07:02 Xiphos wrote:On August 24 2012 06:59 sam05396 wrote:On August 24 2012 06:58 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:49 valentine1 wrote:On August 24 2012 06:42 Plansix wrote:On August 24 2012 06:38 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:33 Dodgin wrote:
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The #1 reason for no LAN is so Blizzard has 100% control of who can and cannot run tournaments for starcraft 2. Yes, I just found this too.. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/5308167/A_Historic_Moment_in_eSports-5_2_2012I still think KESPA could get around Blizzard's blacklisted IP restrictions, but if they have a license to hold events already according to that, they still do "own" the players. They don't have to cooperate with GOM at least not by law I don't think. And let's not kid ourselves they own the more intriguing players. JD players 44k views on vod and I can't load my player live, but when 2 GOM players are at it ~5k views. I don't see how Blizzard can force KESPA to have their players play in GOM. They can do so through legal action if KeSPA breached the terms of the contract. I don't know the term in Korean law, but you can file a temporary restraining order in the US to enforce a term of a contract while the dispute is being settled. Apple just did it to Samsung in the US and several other markets with a phone, and Samsung cannot sell the phone any more. Also, the many of the Kespa members have America branches and do buisness there. Because that's the law? I mean maybe you guys don't quite understand how IP works... You can't just set up a company that makes a profit off of another person's work without their permission (as stated a hundred times before - licensing). In BW from what I've read, they got away with it because there was no real way to enforce it. Despite the fact that KeSPA 'owns' the players, it still doesn't make what they do any more of a breach of intellectual property rights if they have all the power in Korea and Blizzard doesn't. It's not a play of power, it's a play of rights. Blizzard can do what they like and KeSPA can deal, regardless of how much money and sponsorship they have. It is though, in Blizzard's best interest to get on-side with KeSPA because of the huge potential domestic market. I don't think you get my point. If the contract was only about having to pay a fee for the IP rights to hold an event then the OSL has already done that seeing as the OSL is about to start. If that is true then they aren't breaching their IP rights because Blizzard has been paid. The IP rights do not extend to Blizzard being able to control what KESPA or anyone does with their players. I don't think that Blizzard can force KESPA to share their players based off a TV/IP rights contract. Blizzard, however, can attempt to shut down an OSL by breaking their contract. just shut down all korea for "maintenance" whenever osl is on ^^ I'm sure that Korea can find their own private server and play on that. That would be some serious infringement should they decide to broadcast it. They don't need to do this, they can blacklist venues from bnet as we've seen before. Private server is by definition not on bnet.
Kespa has large multinational corporations like Samsung backing there. Running the tournament of private(illegal) server is a nonstarter.
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On August 24 2012 07:39 AnomalySC2 wrote:
The most interesting players in sc2 right now are the kespa pros, what a shame. Effort actually uses Zerg's rushes (rofl). Soulkey makes infestors look way imba. By.Sun seemingly is able to win any scenario you put him in with blink stalker micro alone. Jaedong is Jaedong. Flash is Flash. The list goes on and on. Imo this is the most interesting time to be a fan of sc2.
I don't find them the most interesting. I find them more interesting than the average SC2 players but I still much prefer players like Squirtle etc
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On August 24 2012 07:36 NoobSkills wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 07:34 mrtomjones wrote:On August 24 2012 07:27 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 07:18 Prplppleatr wrote:On August 24 2012 06:58 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:49 valentine1 wrote:On August 24 2012 06:42 Plansix wrote:On August 24 2012 06:38 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:33 Dodgin wrote:On August 24 2012 06:32 NoobSkills wrote:
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Blizzard couldn't even get what they wanted for BroodWar, and they've fully secured their rights for SC2? I don't think so. If KESPA decides to run an event Blizzard can fuck with it what only if their Logo isn't shown? I know that was their goal they weren't necessarily trying to kill BW, but get ready for the eventual switchover from BW, but you really think they won? I don't remember where those television companies/ KESPA said they had to have Blizzard approval for their events, but I will try to find the thread with the outcome again. The #1 reason for no LAN is so Blizzard has 100% control of who can and cannot run tournaments for starcraft 2. Yes, I just found this too.. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/5308167/A_Historic_Moment_in_eSports-5_2_2012I still think KESPA could get around Blizzard's blacklisted IP restrictions, but if they have a license to hold events already according to that, they still do "own" the players. They don't have to cooperate with GOM at least not by law I don't think. And let's not kid ourselves they own the more intriguing players. JD players 44k views on vod and I can't load my player live, but when 2 GOM players are at it ~5k views. I don't see how Blizzard can force KESPA to have their players play in GOM. They can do so through legal action if KeSPA breached the terms of the contract. I don't know the term in Korean law, but you can file a temporary restraining order in the US to enforce a term of a contract while the dispute is being settled. Apple just did it to Samsung in the US and several other markets with a phone, and Samsung cannot sell the phone any more. Also, the many of the Kespa members have America branches and do buisness there. Because that's the law? I mean maybe you guys don't quite understand how IP works... You can't just set up a company that makes a profit off of another person's work without their permission (as stated a hundred times before - licensing). In BW from what I've read, they got away with it because there was no real way to enforce it. Despite the fact that KeSPA 'owns' the players, it still doesn't make what they do any more of a breach of intellectual property rights if they have all the power in Korea and Blizzard doesn't. It's not a play of power, it's a play of rights. Blizzard can do what they like and KeSPA can deal, regardless of how much money and sponsorship they have. It is though, in Blizzard's best interest to get on-side with KeSPA because of the huge potential domestic market. I don't think you get my point. If the contract was only about having to pay a fee for the IP rights to hold an event then the OSL has already done that seeing as the OSL is about to start. If that is true then they aren't breaching their IP rights because Blizzard has been paid. The IP rights do not extend to Blizzard being able to control what KESPA or anyone does with their players. I don't think that Blizzard can force KESPA to share their players based off a TV/IP rights contract. Blizzard, however, can attempt to shut down an OSL by breaking their contract. On August 24 2012 06:56 madsweepslol wrote:On August 24 2012 06:32 NoobSkills wrote:If KESPA decides to run an event Blizzard can fuck with it what only if their Logo isn't shown? Or they could, you know, simply disconnect OSL tourney's from their servers and shut KeSPA's sc2 efforts down cold. If shit ever went that far, anyways. Yup agreed, but then Blizzard would be supporting GOM's way which isn't right either. At least quite a few players for KESPA make some money nowadays. I don't know about GOM teams (for sure), but most hint at no salary, just room and board, possible travel. Wow...you realize those are all assumptions, yes? You are giving KeSPA way too much credit here, imo. If Blizzard wanted to they could revoke KeSPA's rights to SC2 and if they can't put on a tournament, then why would the players care if they broke their rules. They do not own the players..if they wanted to break the rules they would simply be banned from kespa (and if KeSPA can not hold tourneys, who would care?), they would not be thrown in jail or anything like that. As far as the GOM thing goes, you're making even more assumptions. Yes, I do? You're right Blizzard could shut down OSL and then KESPA would have nothing for it's players to play in. Then what happens to the KESPA teams? Are they willing to kill that stability and structure to make them share players? Who knows. If it is too far of a reach then please explain why KESPA is holding back their players. If they're not ready to play for a GSL because the GSL players are too good, then why are the GSL players in the OSL? What other reason could they have for holding back their players other than attempting to weaken/destroy the competition. As far as the GOM team's pay scale thing goes? Are you kidding me? That has been stated over and over again by so many pros that they're not paid or paid very little.
The thing I find funny is that there is a TON of money in the foreign scene and Kespa only seems mildly interested in getting in on that. If they wanted more money they would cooperate with Gom and grow the market instead of fighting over a small chunk which wont grow. Bad business practice imo.
I think they have their eyes on the foreign scene and are making preparations for it. The rumored English stream and working with MLG. Though I don't know how they feel about the MLG format. If they had their eyes on the foreign scene they wouldn't screw with their counterpart who has done a ton to boost it and who all of the new fans who did not come from BW have been watching for 2 years. If they succeed in killing GOM are you not going to watch OSL? Hypothetical.
If they are responsible for GOM dying then I wont watch them. I can live without watching SC2 even if I really enjoy it. I don't support organizations that I have a good reason to be against.
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On August 24 2012 07:27 NoobSkills wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 07:18 Prplppleatr wrote:On August 24 2012 06:58 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:49 valentine1 wrote:On August 24 2012 06:42 Plansix wrote:On August 24 2012 06:38 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:33 Dodgin wrote:On August 24 2012 06:32 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:26 Plansix wrote:On August 24 2012 06:18 NoobSkills wrote:
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Blizzard backed the fuck down lol.
Really in the end who can say who should have won the law suit.
Basically arguing over the right to hold tournaments, and the IP because of it (replays and streaming it and tv).
They make the game, but KESPA did make the BW esports scene. They also are the ones who held the tournaments and paid the players. Perhaps Blizzard should get a fee for allowing their game in an event, but I think the tournament organizers should have the given right for all content produced for and from that event. Maps VODS Interviews ect. Blizzard did not care about the BW scene, they were securing their IP rights for SC2. You are 100% incorrect about the outcome of that case, it settled with Blizzard getting the IP rights to SC2 and KeSPA admitting they needed blizzards approval to show SC2 on TV. Blizzard couldn't even get what they wanted for BroodWar, and they've fully secured their rights for SC2? I don't think so. If KESPA decides to run an event Blizzard can fuck with it what only if their Logo isn't shown? I know that was their goal they weren't necessarily trying to kill BW, but get ready for the eventual switchover from BW, but you really think they won? I don't remember where those television companies/ KESPA said they had to have Blizzard approval for their events, but I will try to find the thread with the outcome again. The #1 reason for no LAN is so Blizzard has 100% control of who can and cannot run tournaments for starcraft 2. Yes, I just found this too.. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/5308167/A_Historic_Moment_in_eSports-5_2_2012I still think KESPA could get around Blizzard's blacklisted IP restrictions, but if they have a license to hold events already according to that, they still do "own" the players. They don't have to cooperate with GOM at least not by law I don't think. And let's not kid ourselves they own the more intriguing players. JD players 44k views on vod and I can't load my player live, but when 2 GOM players are at it ~5k views. I don't see how Blizzard can force KESPA to have their players play in GOM. They can do so through legal action if KeSPA breached the terms of the contract. I don't know the term in Korean law, but you can file a temporary restraining order in the US to enforce a term of a contract while the dispute is being settled. Apple just did it to Samsung in the US and several other markets with a phone, and Samsung cannot sell the phone any more. Also, the many of the Kespa members have America branches and do buisness there. Because that's the law? I mean maybe you guys don't quite understand how IP works... You can't just set up a company that makes a profit off of another person's work without their permission (as stated a hundred times before - licensing). In BW from what I've read, they got away with it because there was no real way to enforce it. Despite the fact that KeSPA 'owns' the players, it still doesn't make what they do any more of a breach of intellectual property rights if they have all the power in Korea and Blizzard doesn't. It's not a play of power, it's a play of rights. Blizzard can do what they like and KeSPA can deal, regardless of how much money and sponsorship they have. It is though, in Blizzard's best interest to get on-side with KeSPA because of the huge potential domestic market. I don't think you get my point. If the contract was only about having to pay a fee for the IP rights to hold an event then the OSL has already done that seeing as the OSL is about to start. If that is true then they aren't breaching their IP rights because Blizzard has been paid. The IP rights do not extend to Blizzard being able to control what KESPA or anyone does with their players. I don't think that Blizzard can force KESPA to share their players based off a TV/IP rights contract. Blizzard, however, can attempt to shut down an OSL by breaking their contract. On August 24 2012 06:56 madsweepslol wrote:On August 24 2012 06:32 NoobSkills wrote:If KESPA decides to run an event Blizzard can fuck with it what only if their Logo isn't shown? Or they could, you know, simply disconnect OSL tourney's from their servers and shut KeSPA's sc2 efforts down cold. If shit ever went that far, anyways. Yup agreed, but then Blizzard would be supporting GOM's way which isn't right either. At least quite a few players for KESPA make some money nowadays. I don't know about GOM teams (for sure), but most hint at no salary, just room and board, possible travel. Wow...you realize those are all assumptions, yes? You are giving KeSPA way too much credit here, imo. If Blizzard wanted to they could revoke KeSPA's rights to SC2 and if they can't put on a tournament, then why would the players care if they broke their rules. They do not own the players..if they wanted to break the rules they would simply be banned from kespa (and if KeSPA can not hold tourneys, who would care?), they would not be thrown in jail or anything like that. As far as the GOM thing goes, you're making even more assumptions. Yes, I do? You're right Blizzard could shut down OSL and then KESPA would have nothing for it's players to play in. Then what happens to the KESPA teams? Are they willing to kill that stability and structure to make them share players? Who knows. If it is too far of a reach then please explain why KESPA is holding back their players. If they're not ready to play for a GSL because the GSL players are too good, then why are the GSL players in the OSL? What other reason could they have for holding back their players other than attempting to weaken/destroy the competition. As far as the GOM team's pay scale thing goes? Are you kidding me? That has been stated over and over again by so many pros that they're not paid or paid very little. Show nested quote +
The thing I find funny is that there is a TON of money in the foreign scene and Kespa only seems mildly interested in getting in on that. If they wanted more money they would cooperate with Gom and grow the market instead of fighting over a small chunk which wont grow. Bad business practice imo.
I think they have their eyes on the foreign scene and are making preparations for it. The rumored English stream and working with MLG. Though I don't know how they feel about the MLG format.
My point was that "you are giving kespa too much credit" and if Blizzard wanted to they could play hard ball and kespa would have to comply. And because you haven't seemed to check the OP, the reason that KeSPA did this is because of scheduling conflicts. My personal opinion is that it is bs and hopefully blizz will step in and inform them that this is not cooperation. If they want to do a "huge tournament" then they should inform us about it and let the players decide if they want to risk a scheduling conflict by participating in Code A, especially since they have expressed they want to play in it (from OP, again). And if they need more players then open it up to GOM players as well or even foreigners.
And as the GOM salary thing goes, players obviously don't receive the same accommodations as foreigners but it is also two very different situations: there is less space in korea so they can't have mansions, like some foreigner teams at other parts of the world; the number of high quality of players is significantly higher in korea (ie. supply is greater, with equal demand..price decreases); AND if they really felt that underpaid, why not join a foreign team? especially since so many foreign teams have cooperation's with korean teams......My point is that it is not as bad as you make it out to be, and many others. Are they paid less and receive less, on average, yes most likely, but it only makes sense that it would be the case. Big name players get big money..
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On August 24 2012 07:43 MstrJinbo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 07:39 Medrea wrote:On August 24 2012 07:25 iKill wrote:On August 24 2012 07:19 Medrea wrote:On August 24 2012 07:02 Xiphos wrote:On August 24 2012 06:59 sam05396 wrote:On August 24 2012 06:58 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:49 valentine1 wrote:On August 24 2012 06:42 Plansix wrote:On August 24 2012 06:38 NoobSkills wrote:[quote] Yes, I just found this too.. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/5308167/A_Historic_Moment_in_eSports-5_2_2012I still think KESPA could get around Blizzard's blacklisted IP restrictions, but if they have a license to hold events already according to that, they still do "own" the players. They don't have to cooperate with GOM at least not by law I don't think. And let's not kid ourselves they own the more intriguing players. JD players 44k views on vod and I can't load my player live, but when 2 GOM players are at it ~5k views. I don't see how Blizzard can force KESPA to have their players play in GOM. They can do so through legal action if KeSPA breached the terms of the contract. I don't know the term in Korean law, but you can file a temporary restraining order in the US to enforce a term of a contract while the dispute is being settled. Apple just did it to Samsung in the US and several other markets with a phone, and Samsung cannot sell the phone any more. Also, the many of the Kespa members have America branches and do buisness there. Because that's the law? I mean maybe you guys don't quite understand how IP works... You can't just set up a company that makes a profit off of another person's work without their permission (as stated a hundred times before - licensing). In BW from what I've read, they got away with it because there was no real way to enforce it. Despite the fact that KeSPA 'owns' the players, it still doesn't make what they do any more of a breach of intellectual property rights if they have all the power in Korea and Blizzard doesn't. It's not a play of power, it's a play of rights. Blizzard can do what they like and KeSPA can deal, regardless of how much money and sponsorship they have. It is though, in Blizzard's best interest to get on-side with KeSPA because of the huge potential domestic market. I don't think you get my point. If the contract was only about having to pay a fee for the IP rights to hold an event then the OSL has already done that seeing as the OSL is about to start. If that is true then they aren't breaching their IP rights because Blizzard has been paid. The IP rights do not extend to Blizzard being able to control what KESPA or anyone does with their players. I don't think that Blizzard can force KESPA to share their players based off a TV/IP rights contract. Blizzard, however, can attempt to shut down an OSL by breaking their contract. just shut down all korea for "maintenance" whenever osl is on ^^ I'm sure that Korea can find their own private server and play on that. That would be some serious infringement should they decide to broadcast it. They don't need to do this, they can blacklist venues from bnet as we've seen before. Private server is by definition not on bnet. Kespa has large multinational corporations like Samsung backing there. Running the tournament of private(illegal) server is a nonstarter.
How easy the private server could be set up has nothing to do about this though. If they decided to run and broadcast the game using a private server, I bet that a huge lawsuit that OGN/KesPA has no hope to win will be handed against them. Blizzard could actually force OGN to bankruptcy if that is the case.
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On August 24 2012 07:36 NoobSkills wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 07:34 mrtomjones wrote:On August 24 2012 07:27 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 07:18 Prplppleatr wrote:On August 24 2012 06:58 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:49 valentine1 wrote:On August 24 2012 06:42 Plansix wrote:On August 24 2012 06:38 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 06:33 Dodgin wrote:On August 24 2012 06:32 NoobSkills wrote:
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Blizzard couldn't even get what they wanted for BroodWar, and they've fully secured their rights for SC2? I don't think so. If KESPA decides to run an event Blizzard can fuck with it what only if their Logo isn't shown? I know that was their goal they weren't necessarily trying to kill BW, but get ready for the eventual switchover from BW, but you really think they won? I don't remember where those television companies/ KESPA said they had to have Blizzard approval for their events, but I will try to find the thread with the outcome again. The #1 reason for no LAN is so Blizzard has 100% control of who can and cannot run tournaments for starcraft 2. Yes, I just found this too.. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/5308167/A_Historic_Moment_in_eSports-5_2_2012I still think KESPA could get around Blizzard's blacklisted IP restrictions, but if they have a license to hold events already according to that, they still do "own" the players. They don't have to cooperate with GOM at least not by law I don't think. And let's not kid ourselves they own the more intriguing players. JD players 44k views on vod and I can't load my player live, but when 2 GOM players are at it ~5k views. I don't see how Blizzard can force KESPA to have their players play in GOM. They can do so through legal action if KeSPA breached the terms of the contract. I don't know the term in Korean law, but you can file a temporary restraining order in the US to enforce a term of a contract while the dispute is being settled. Apple just did it to Samsung in the US and several other markets with a phone, and Samsung cannot sell the phone any more. Also, the many of the Kespa members have America branches and do buisness there. Because that's the law? I mean maybe you guys don't quite understand how IP works... You can't just set up a company that makes a profit off of another person's work without their permission (as stated a hundred times before - licensing). In BW from what I've read, they got away with it because there was no real way to enforce it. Despite the fact that KeSPA 'owns' the players, it still doesn't make what they do any more of a breach of intellectual property rights if they have all the power in Korea and Blizzard doesn't. It's not a play of power, it's a play of rights. Blizzard can do what they like and KeSPA can deal, regardless of how much money and sponsorship they have. It is though, in Blizzard's best interest to get on-side with KeSPA because of the huge potential domestic market. I don't think you get my point. If the contract was only about having to pay a fee for the IP rights to hold an event then the OSL has already done that seeing as the OSL is about to start. If that is true then they aren't breaching their IP rights because Blizzard has been paid. The IP rights do not extend to Blizzard being able to control what KESPA or anyone does with their players. I don't think that Blizzard can force KESPA to share their players based off a TV/IP rights contract. Blizzard, however, can attempt to shut down an OSL by breaking their contract. On August 24 2012 06:56 madsweepslol wrote:On August 24 2012 06:32 NoobSkills wrote:If KESPA decides to run an event Blizzard can fuck with it what only if their Logo isn't shown? Or they could, you know, simply disconnect OSL tourney's from their servers and shut KeSPA's sc2 efforts down cold. If shit ever went that far, anyways. Yup agreed, but then Blizzard would be supporting GOM's way which isn't right either. At least quite a few players for KESPA make some money nowadays. I don't know about GOM teams (for sure), but most hint at no salary, just room and board, possible travel. Wow...you realize those are all assumptions, yes? You are giving KeSPA way too much credit here, imo. If Blizzard wanted to they could revoke KeSPA's rights to SC2 and if they can't put on a tournament, then why would the players care if they broke their rules. They do not own the players..if they wanted to break the rules they would simply be banned from kespa (and if KeSPA can not hold tourneys, who would care?), they would not be thrown in jail or anything like that. As far as the GOM thing goes, you're making even more assumptions. Yes, I do? You're right Blizzard could shut down OSL and then KESPA would have nothing for it's players to play in. Then what happens to the KESPA teams? Are they willing to kill that stability and structure to make them share players? Who knows. If it is too far of a reach then please explain why KESPA is holding back their players. If they're not ready to play for a GSL because the GSL players are too good, then why are the GSL players in the OSL? What other reason could they have for holding back their players other than attempting to weaken/destroy the competition. As far as the GOM team's pay scale thing goes? Are you kidding me? That has been stated over and over again by so many pros that they're not paid or paid very little.
The thing I find funny is that there is a TON of money in the foreign scene and Kespa only seems mildly interested in getting in on that. If they wanted more money they would cooperate with Gom and grow the market instead of fighting over a small chunk which wont grow. Bad business practice imo.
I think they have their eyes on the foreign scene and are making preparations for it. The rumored English stream and working with MLG. Though I don't know how they feel about the MLG format. If they had their eyes on the foreign scene they wouldn't screw with their counterpart who has done a ton to boost it and who all of the new fans who did not come from BW have been watching for 2 years. If they succeed in killing GOM are you not going to watch OSL? Hypothetical.
I would just watch the Dreamhacks, IEMs and IPLs if that was the case.
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