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TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
August 23 2012 09:28 GMT
#181
On August 23 2012 18:26 ElephantBaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 16:50 Canucklehead wrote:
Kespa wielding their iron grip again, which I find kind of sad. No free will for the players. Each WCS player in their interview said they would like to play in qualifiers, but it's up to their team. Always with that caveat of needing team permission. They're trained well.


Because they are pros, GSL players are just semi pros.


What? Define a pro. While some of the GSL players are not making a ton of money and a few are splitting playing with school, most of them are playing full time and some are really monetarily successful.
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Demorase
Profile Joined January 2012
136 Posts
August 23 2012 09:28 GMT
#182
I don't think anyone should be really surprised by this move knowing Kespa, they want to keep their star players for themselves.

Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9031 Posts
August 23 2012 09:28 GMT
#183
OSL is enough for me. Hopefully someday everyone will be able to participate in whatever they want.
BanditX
Profile Joined February 2012
United States78 Posts
August 23 2012 09:28 GMT
#184
As far as I and my friends are concerned, GomTV is the best Starcraft 2 league out there. Their stars are homegrown, not tied down to a single entity, and have shown the world skilled games and an extreme willingness to support the foreign community as well. Kespa on the other hand has no idea if it will even still exist with Starcraft 2. I see Kespa reasoning, and I'm assuming its more to protect their brand and ensure profits than it is a sinister attempt to undermine Gom. If it is sinister in intent, then fuck Kespa. Never liked them anyway.

GomTV is best. And will continue to be the best at this rate.
dontstopmenow
Profile Joined August 2012
China8 Posts
August 23 2012 09:29 GMT
#185
In korea E-sport history, Same history already exist.. Kespa always is doing fucking things.
Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
August 23 2012 09:30 GMT
#186
That sucks.
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Skelith
Profile Joined August 2012
Sweden101 Posts
August 23 2012 09:31 GMT
#187
Only move KeSPA could do, agreeing to goms terms would be the same as to roll over and die.
Sad but inevitable.
"There is no rest in the dark realm."
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12023 Posts
August 23 2012 09:31 GMT
#188
Kespa doing this again? :/

Just let your players play if they want to (they said they did).
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geno
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1404 Posts
August 23 2012 09:32 GMT
#189
People can try to justify this as much as they want saying that the sponsors are simply prioritizing SPL playoffs and OSL, or that the players simply aren't ready yet, or whatever else, but the very simple fact that this decision was made unilaterally, for all KeSPA players makes this very clearly a dirty move.

There is no reason they couldn't have left GSL participation up to the individual, or even the team. People might have understood if players in playoff teams chose not to participate or if players who are still really behind the curve in SC2 chose to step aside for an extra GSL or two. But to force every KeSPA player to stay away from the GSL is another thing entirely. Not to mention the timing of it all, this comes out right after all the GSL players have basically committed to the OSL and gone through group selection amicably...

This just feels way too much like the type of thing I remember KeSPA for. So much for "harmony."
rhs408
Profile Joined January 2011
United States904 Posts
August 23 2012 09:32 GMT
#190
Kespa is clutching at straws
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
August 23 2012 09:32 GMT
#191
On August 23 2012 18:28 TheAmazombie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 18:26 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 23 2012 16:50 Canucklehead wrote:
Kespa wielding their iron grip again, which I find kind of sad. No free will for the players. Each WCS player in their interview said they would like to play in qualifiers, but it's up to their team. Always with that caveat of needing team permission. They're trained well.


Because they are pros, GSL players are just semi pros.


What? Define a pro. While some of the GSL players are not making a ton of money and a few are splitting playing with school, most of them are playing full time and some are really monetarily successful.


KeSPA gives out progamer licenses. GSL players don't have them, so by KeSPA standards, they are semi-pros or amateurs.
Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
August 23 2012 09:32 GMT
#192
On August 23 2012 16:51 Antimatterz wrote:
Jesus KeSPA, just let them play. You are basically taking opportunities for income and exposure away from the teams and their players.

You said it. LET THEM PLAY!
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
August 23 2012 09:34 GMT
#193
On August 23 2012 18:32 Kommander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 18:28 TheAmazombie wrote:
On August 23 2012 18:26 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 23 2012 16:50 Canucklehead wrote:
Kespa wielding their iron grip again, which I find kind of sad. No free will for the players. Each WCS player in their interview said they would like to play in qualifiers, but it's up to their team. Always with that caveat of needing team permission. They're trained well.


Because they are pros, GSL players are just semi pros.


What? Define a pro. While some of the GSL players are not making a ton of money and a few are splitting playing with school, most of them are playing full time and some are really monetarily successful.


KeSPA gives out progamer licenses. GSL players don't have them, so by KeSPA standards, they are semi-pros or amateurs.


Gotcha, by KeSPa standards, but not by realistic standards. Thanks for clearing up what you were saying there. Yeah, it is a big joke at this point.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
August 23 2012 09:35 GMT
#194
What the crap? That's so lame. Was looking forward to seeing them play.
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Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-23 09:36:57
August 23 2012 09:36 GMT
#195
Weird timing. You'd think that the rivalry between Kespa and Gom players would be a good thing for Sc2 as a whole in Korea. Kespa have done the complete opposite of what MVP was hoping for.
Chenz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1197 Posts
August 23 2012 09:36 GMT
#196
On August 23 2012 18:32 Kommander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 18:28 TheAmazombie wrote:
On August 23 2012 18:26 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 23 2012 16:50 Canucklehead wrote:
Kespa wielding their iron grip again, which I find kind of sad. No free will for the players. Each WCS player in their interview said they would like to play in qualifiers, but it's up to their team. Always with that caveat of needing team permission. They're trained well.


Because they are pros, GSL players are just semi pros.


What? Define a pro. While some of the GSL players are not making a ton of money and a few are splitting playing with school, most of them are playing full time and some are really monetarily successful.


KeSPA gives out progamer licenses. GSL players don't have them, so by KeSPA standards, they are semi-pros or amateurs.

But by the definition of the word, many GSL players are progamers.

I'm honestly disgusted that a tournament organizer has this amount of control that KeSPA has over players participating in their league. Here's to hoping players will break away from KeSPA, but I doubt that will ever happen.
Headnoob
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2108 Posts
August 23 2012 09:37 GMT
#197
Except this time around GOM is probably quite happy with the way things have gone, because they're left on the better end of things, cooperation would benefit both parties immensely obviously, but GOM doesn't get the short end of the stick this time.
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
August 23 2012 09:37 GMT
#198
Kespa plays hardball but that's how business works when the market is shrinking in South Korea. Gom TV is a small operation in comparison to Kespa/OGN. Kespa needs to show they are the top dog in the e-sports korean market. Saving the most popular Starcraft players for the OGN OSL is a good marketing move: would you watch the best GOM players in a GOM tournament? Or the best GOM and KESPA players in the OSL? I know the answer, i will watch OSL.
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sushiman
Profile Joined September 2003
Sweden2691 Posts
August 23 2012 09:38 GMT
#199
Well I doubt KeSPA are interested in a tournament where their players can't even hope to win anything but a qualifying spot for the next seasons Code S, while GOM players have a far better shot at winning something meaningful through the OSLs qualifying system. With the KeSPA teams prioritizing PL over individual leagues anyway, "winning" in Code A would hardly seem like an attractive way of losing practice time for the PL for their players.
Essentially, GSL could be too big of a time investment if you start losing your players in Code A-limbo. My guess is that KeSPA would be more accommodating if they knew their players could actually win the tournament right of the bat instead of months of qualifiers against more established players. The OSL is far better in that regard - less time involved, better chance of winning.
1000 at least.
anrimayu
Profile Joined June 2011
United States875 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-23 09:44:40
August 23 2012 09:42 GMT
#200
So they're too busy to play GSL, but they can play in WCS along with PL and fly to China? Right, it makes total sense.

And they have the balls to say Blizzard is "money grabbing cunts."

Fuck Kespa.
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