What? Define a pro. While some of the GSL players are not making a ton of money and a few are splitting playing with school, most of them are playing full time and some are really monetarily successful.

Demorase

136 Posts

August 23 2012 09:28 GMT

#182

I don't think anyone should be really surprised by this move knowing Kespa, they want to keep their star players for themselves.

Garnet

Vietnam9016 Posts

August 23 2012 09:28 GMT

#183

OSL is enough for me. Hopefully someday everyone will be able to participate in whatever they want.

BanditX

United States78 Posts

August 23 2012 09:28 GMT

#184

As far as I and my friends are concerned, GomTV is the best Starcraft 2 league out there. Their stars are homegrown, not tied down to a single entity, and have shown the world skilled games and an extreme willingness to support the foreign community as well. Kespa on the other hand has no idea if it will even still exist with Starcraft 2. I see Kespa reasoning, and I'm assuming its more to protect their brand and ensure profits than it is a sinister attempt to undermine Gom. If it is sinister in intent, then fuck Kespa. Never liked them anyway.

GomTV is best. And will continue to be the best at this rate.

dontstopmenow

China8 Posts

August 23 2012 09:29 GMT

#185

In korea E-sport history, Same history already exist.. Kespa always is doing fucking things.

Azera

3800 Posts

August 23 2012 09:30 GMT

#186

That sucks.

Skelith

Sweden101 Posts

August 23 2012 09:31 GMT

#187

Only move KeSPA could do, agreeing to goms terms would be the same as to roll over and die.
Sad but inevitable.

Qikz

United Kingdom12022 Posts

August 23 2012 09:31 GMT

#188

Kespa doing this again? :/

Just let your players play if they want to (they said they did).

geno

United States1404 Posts

August 23 2012 09:32 GMT

#189

People can try to justify this as much as they want saying that the sponsors are simply prioritizing SPL playoffs and OSL, or that the players simply aren't ready yet, or whatever else, but the very simple fact that this decision was made unilaterally, for all KeSPA players makes this very clearly a dirty move.

There is no reason they couldn't have left GSL participation up to the individual, or even the team. People might have understood if players in playoff teams chose not to participate or if players who are still really behind the curve in SC2 chose to step aside for an extra GSL or two. But to force every KeSPA player to stay away from the GSL is another thing entirely. Not to mention the timing of it all, this comes out right after all the GSL players have basically committed to the OSL and gone through group selection amicably...

This just feels way too much like the type of thing I remember KeSPA for. So much for "harmony."

rhs408

United States904 Posts

August 23 2012 09:32 GMT

#190

Kespa is clutching at straws

Kommander

Philippines4950 Posts

August 23 2012 09:32 GMT

#191

On August 23 2012 18:28 TheAmazombie wrote:

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KeSPA gives out progamer licenses. GSL players don't have them, so by KeSPA standards, they are semi-pros or amateurs.

Leetley

1796 Posts

August 23 2012 09:32 GMT

#192

On August 23 2012 16:51 Antimatterz wrote:
Jesus KeSPA, just let them play. You are basically taking opportunities for income and exposure away from the teams and their players.

You said it. LET THEM PLAY!

TheAmazombie

United States3714 Posts

August 23 2012 09:34 GMT

#193

On August 23 2012 18:32 Kommander wrote:

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KeSPA gives out progamer licenses. GSL players don't have them, so by KeSPA standards, they are semi-pros or amateurs.

Gotcha, by KeSPa standards, but not by realistic standards. Thanks for clearing up what you were saying there. Yeah, it is a big joke at this point.

GolemMadness

Canada11044 Posts

August 23 2012 09:35 GMT

#194

What the crap? That's so lame. Was looking forward to seeing them play.

Ysellian

Netherlands9029 Posts

August 23 2012 09:36 GMT

#195

Weird timing. You'd think that the rivalry between Kespa and Gom players would be a good thing for Sc2 as a whole in Korea. Kespa have done the complete opposite of what MVP was hoping for.

Chenz

Sweden1197 Posts

August 23 2012 09:36 GMT

#196

On August 23 2012 18:32 Kommander wrote:

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KeSPA gives out progamer licenses. GSL players don't have them, so by KeSPA standards, they are semi-pros or amateurs.

But by the definition of the word, many GSL players are progamers.

I'm honestly disgusted that a tournament organizer has this amount of control that KeSPA has over players participating in their league. Here's to hoping players will break away from KeSPA, but I doubt that will ever happen.

Headnoob

Australia2108 Posts

August 23 2012 09:37 GMT

#197

Except this time around GOM is probably quite happy with the way things have gone, because they're left on the better end of things, cooperation would benefit both parties immensely obviously, but GOM doesn't get the short end of the stick this time.

legaton

France1763 Posts

August 23 2012 09:37 GMT

#198

Kespa plays hardball but that's how business works when the market is shrinking in South Korea. Gom TV is a small operation in comparison to Kespa/OGN. Kespa needs to show they are the top dog in the e-sports korean market. Saving the most popular Starcraft players for the OGN OSL is a good marketing move: would you watch the best GOM players in a GOM tournament? Or the best GOM and KESPA players in the OSL? I know the answer, i will watch OSL.

sushiman

Sweden2691 Posts

August 23 2012 09:38 GMT

#199

Well I doubt KeSPA are interested in a tournament where their players can't even hope to win anything but a qualifying spot for the next seasons Code S, while GOM players have a far better shot at winning something meaningful through the OSLs qualifying system. With the KeSPA teams prioritizing PL over individual leagues anyway, "winning" in Code A would hardly seem like an attractive way of losing practice time for the PL for their players.
Essentially, GSL could be too big of a time investment if you start losing your players in Code A-limbo. My guess is that KeSPA would be more accommodating if they knew their players could actually win the tournament right of the bat instead of months of qualifiers against more established players. The OSL is far better in that regard - less time involved, better chance of winning.

anrimayu

United States875 Posts

August 23 2012 09:42 GMT

#200

So they're too busy to play GSL, but they can play in WCS along with PL and fly to China? Right, it makes total sense.

And they have the balls to say Blizzard is "money grabbing cunts."

Fuck Kespa.