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Profile Joined October 2010
Germany567 Posts
August 23 2012 09:44 GMT
#201
kespa is so weird. i dont get it
"Nice, *claps* gogo kill kill, yeah bane speed, nice EU Power" Dimaga
quannguyen
Profile Joined January 2012
Vietnam1390 Posts
August 23 2012 09:44 GMT
#202
Well Kespa is trying to steal viewers from GSL to their precious OSL. If this trend continue for 1 or 2 more GSL seasons, I can see GOM suffering the same fate as before, cuz they can't tell the GSL players to withdraw from the OSL, while Kespa can force their players to ditch GOM events. Talk about harmony lol.
Unlimited Warcraft Works and Super Starcraft Taisen ^^
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
August 23 2012 09:47 GMT
#203
On August 23 2012 18:44 quannguyen wrote:
Well Kespa is trying to steal viewers from GSL to their precious OSL. If this trend continue for 1 or 2 more GSL seasons, I can see GOM suffering the same fate as before, cuz they can't tell the GSL players to withdraw from the OSL, while Kespa can force their players to ditch GOM events. Talk about harmony lol.


Well, we will have to see about that because the indie teams do have their union. While I don't think they would do something as stupid as pulling players out of the OSL, they might be able to, at least with their contracted players.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
August 23 2012 09:47 GMT
#204
No surprise here. Kespa will do what they can to grab as big of a market share as they can in SC2.
ZaaaaaM
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1828 Posts
August 23 2012 09:48 GMT
#205
Well, that didn't take long. LOL
no dude, the question
Fleshcut
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany592 Posts
August 23 2012 09:48 GMT
#206
As someone who has no idea about broodwar and all their players I really don't care about the Kespa players and the hype around them.
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
August 23 2012 09:49 GMT
#207
I bet they want to have players that can win the gsl titles right away and they are too proud to send in players that are good, but not good enough now...
stupid and wrong pride......
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
Diizzy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States828 Posts
August 23 2012 09:50 GMT
#208
yea i love my bw players but i wish they participated more in the foreign scene. god dammit kespa.
FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
August 23 2012 09:50 GMT
#209
with KESPA, it's always money/business first
LGIMSeed FantasyToss~~ Hipster Seed fan before he made Code A
quannguyen
Profile Joined January 2012
Vietnam1390 Posts
August 23 2012 09:51 GMT
#210
On August 23 2012 18:47 TheAmazombie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 18:44 quannguyen wrote:
Well Kespa is trying to steal viewers from GSL to their precious OSL. If this trend continue for 1 or 2 more GSL seasons, I can see GOM suffering the same fate as before, cuz they can't tell the GSL players to withdraw from the OSL, while Kespa can force their players to ditch GOM events. Talk about harmony lol.


Well, we will have to see about that because the indie teams do have their union. While I don't think they would do something as stupid as pulling players out of the OSL, they might be able to, at least with their contracted players.


If Gom teams do that, then they'll just become another Kespa, and the scene will be divided for sure. That would be disastrous for Esports. Kespa sucks balls.
Unlimited Warcraft Works and Super Starcraft Taisen ^^
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-23 09:53:01
August 23 2012 09:51 GMT
#211
On August 23 2012 18:34 TheAmazombie wrote:
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On August 23 2012 18:32 Kommander wrote:
On August 23 2012 18:28 TheAmazombie wrote:
On August 23 2012 18:26 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 23 2012 16:50 Canucklehead wrote:
Kespa wielding their iron grip again, which I find kind of sad. No free will for the players. Each WCS player in their interview said they would like to play in qualifiers, but it's up to their team. Always with that caveat of needing team permission. They're trained well.


Because they are pros, GSL players are just semi pros.


What? Define a pro. While some of the GSL players are not making a ton of money and a few are splitting playing with school, most of them are playing full time and some are really monetarily successful.


KeSPA gives out progamer licenses. GSL players don't have them, so by KeSPA standards, they are semi-pros or amateurs.


Gotcha, by KeSPa standards, but not by realistic standards. Thanks for clearing up what you were saying there. Yeah, it is a big joke at this point.

KeSPa players are on substantial salaries, most of the GOM players don't have such a stable income. Seems like a pretty realistic standard for me.

Besides this a GOM post, I'd like to hear statements from both parties. Of course GOM's going to put all the blame on Kespa.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
August 23 2012 09:51 GMT
#212
On August 23 2012 18:50 FidoDido wrote:
with KESPA, it's always money/business first


You just described about 90% of corporations in the world today. Sad, but true.
calippo
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden2525 Posts
August 23 2012 09:52 GMT
#213
fuck off kespa.
in it for the game not for the .... - PMS Army. [WUFC-SDK. VIM. PMS]
ramask2
Profile Joined June 2011
Thailand1024 Posts
August 23 2012 09:53 GMT
#214
In a way I guess this is unavoidable when a player organization also runs their own league. Of course they would do everything to promote their own league. And with the deal preventing player trades, kespa players can't even transfer out to play in the GSL anyway.

I want to support GOM, but if the best players in the world are only playing in the OSL (and MLG I suppose), that will be the number one league I want to watch. GOM is in danger of losing relevancy.
tsuxiit
Profile Joined July 2010
1305 Posts
August 23 2012 09:54 GMT
#215
I still don't understand why anyone who goes on this website likes KeSPA.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-23 09:58:26
August 23 2012 09:55 GMT
#216
That seems like a really dodgy press release with a dodgy tone. It's almost as if GOM is intentionally trying to stir up anger/pressure at Kespa. Oh wait, that's exactly what it is.

As for kespa making the decision, people need to understand that this is perfectly normal. Most importantly, what needs to be understood is that a Kespa decision means that it's a joint TEAM decision. Kespa isn't this vague, incorporeal overlord that people seem to imagine it to be - it's basically the teams + OGN getting together and deciding what's best for them as a group.

While I'm sure that there are individual players who would like to compete in the GSL, their time and effort playing Starcraft is committed entirely to their teams. And these are not western teams that are more like proxy sponsors than anything else - there is a fixed structure in how the players train, how much they train and what they train for. They don't get to just do whatever they feel like with their time.

In a nutshell, the teams decide what they want to get involved in (which was the case here). The actual players and coaching staff are only members of the team, they're not individual entities.
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
August 23 2012 09:55 GMT
#217
On August 23 2012 18:54 tsuxiit wrote:
I still don't understand why anyone who goes on this website likes KeSPA.


I don't think anyone really does, but a lot of us like the players that work under Kespa, so in order to support your favorite teams and/or players, you in turn have to support Kespa in some way. It is a shitty situation.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
dontstopmenow
Profile Joined August 2012
China8 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-23 09:56:46
August 23 2012 09:55 GMT
#218
Kespa + OGN killed SC2 in korea 2 years ago ... So GOM launched SC2 and opend GSL... But now Kespa steal GSL and GSL players again.. Kespa is a just rich thief..
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
August 23 2012 09:56 GMT
#219
On August 23 2012 18:47 TheAmazombie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 18:44 quannguyen wrote:
Well Kespa is trying to steal viewers from GSL to their precious OSL. If this trend continue for 1 or 2 more GSL seasons, I can see GOM suffering the same fate as before, cuz they can't tell the GSL players to withdraw from the OSL, while Kespa can force their players to ditch GOM events. Talk about harmony lol.


Well, we will have to see about that because the indie teams do have their union. While I don't think they would do something as stupid as pulling players out of the OSL, they might be able to, at least with their contracted players.


It's a union representing the interests of the team, and Kespa is now screwing the teams up, but GOM.
Finrod1
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany3997 Posts
August 23 2012 09:58 GMT
#220
same kespa shit. different year.
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