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Noispaxen
Poland150 Posts
People who say that they tell the opponent their race don't get the point of this thread. Yes, you tell it, but most of the people don't, and even if they do, you can't really trust it... Having random on ladder ruins the reliability of ladder (luckily in small degree). | ||
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ChiknAdobo
United States208 Posts
In starcraft your mindset has a huge impact on how well you play and when a player goes into a game thinking they are at a disadvantage then you will be affected. So get rid of the 'oh I'm at such a disadvantage mindset' scout and play a good solid game. | ||
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Capulet
Canada686 Posts
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Arghmyliver
United States1077 Posts
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
On August 20 2012 02:21 Arghmyliver wrote: My favorite part of this debate is the "I know Random players just cheese so I just 4Gate/6Pool/ProxyRax to show them!" Playing Random - I got cheesed far more often than I ever cheesed myself. In addition to that, I see no problem with random. Have you ever failed a cheese? Your opponent then whispers you with righteous indignation, "gg nice cheese bro" as though right as triumphed over wrong. Take away the perceived disadvantage and where will they put their soap box? | ||
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soccerdude
United States54 Posts
On August 20 2012 02:20 ChiknAdobo wrote: I think the presumed advantage and disadvantage of playing against random players are not as big as you think. Terran can 1 rax FE in all matchups, Protoss can 1 gate FE, and Zerg can 14 pool 16 hatch in all matchups. So there is a safe 'macro' build that you can play. If your complaint is that you don't get good practice against random players then that is BS because it means you are relying on a build order for your advantage then solid mechanics and decision making. In starcraft your mindset has a huge impact on how well you play and when a player goes into a game thinking they are at a disadvantage then you will be affected. So get rid of the 'oh I'm at such a disadvantage mindset' scout and play a good solid game. The issue in P v random(zerg) is that the zerg knows that his opponent will go gateway first into either an allin or expansion. He doesn't have to worry about cannon rushes and knows that warpgate will be out quickly. Its not about how 1gate expanding is inferior to ffe, but about how the zerg can already predict your opener. | ||
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ChiknAdobo
United States208 Posts
On August 20 2012 02:30 soccerdude wrote: The issue in P v random(zerg) is that the zerg knows that his opponent will go gateway first into either an allin or expansion. He doesn't have to worry about cannon rushes and knows that warpgate will be out quickly. Its not about how 1gate expanding is inferior to ffe, but about how the zerg can already predict your opener. I can definitely see how P v Random(zerg) would cause the most problems but at the end of the day unless you are in GM or tip top Masters then the player with the better mechanics should win. And zerg doesn't absolutely know what protoss is doing they still have to scout for an all in or the expansion. It is also still possible for a protoss to scout a hatch first and still cannon rush after going gateway first. Maybe not on condemned ridge if they are scouted last but most maps it is still viable. I still want to emphasize that the advantages/disadvantages are negligible especially from bronze to mid masters. | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
Most of them have no idea what they're doing, and it's hard to practice strict builds when the opponent can't play well. | ||
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Aveng3r
United States2411 Posts
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DruidzHistory
Sweden231 Posts
On August 19 2012 21:56 Antares_ wrote: I don't care, I just go 1 rax FE and depo scout. When I play random on my smurf acc I reveal my race if opponent asks nicely ¨This is the way to do it as terran | ||
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PauseBreak
United States270 Posts
Randoms either don't know the match up. And the chances that they actually get their best match up is pretty low. Or what I see more often, is the all-in type play. Which if held, they might as well just leave the game. | ||
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EMIYA
United States433 Posts
if they can't decide what race they are gonna play, thats fine, but at least let it show up on the loading screen. it's not worth my time to get proxy raxed, cannon rushed, or 7 pooled blindly, or have to be forced to at least 1gate robo before expo. | ||
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Leafty
France84 Posts
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Arghnews
United Kingdom169 Posts
I'm afraid that the disadvantage of learning 9 matchups instead of 3 HUGELY outweighs this, and if you really think random is easy/an advantage then why aren't you random??? And in PvZ v random, then send 2 scouts out to 2 bases, sure you'll lose income, but unless you're top masters, you're probably not going to notice the lack | ||
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iglocska
Norway589 Posts
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Amaterasu1234
United States317 Posts
On August 19 2012 21:46 Tao367 wrote: So, I have to ask, is it just me that hates random? As a protoss player, a random opponent that spawns terran or protoss doesn't bother me. However when they are zerg it is extremely annoying, I feel like I am already behind due to something completely out of control (not being able to FFE). ...so, instead of even mentioning your opponent...just learn to play from behind. That is most definitely an alternate solution over which you have control... | ||
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schaf
Germany1326 Posts
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Bakkendepao
Netherlands185 Posts
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ChiknAdobo
United States208 Posts
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
On August 20 2012 02:20 Capulet wrote: I say if you've taken the time to learn 9 matchups as opposed to mastering 3, then you've earned the right to have an advantage to play against me What are the chances you play a random that have learnt 9 matchups? Most of them can play like 2-3 matchups "normally" for the level of play you are at and then they just suck ass in the rest. And most randoms doesn't even play random to learn 9 matchups and have fun, they do it because they can abuse their advantage and cheese/allin/economy advantage. That is why playing against random on ladder is such a waste if you use the ladder as a source of practice. Luckily you can "meta" pretty hard with Terran vs Random. I feel for Protoss the most. | ||
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