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SoniStreet
Macedonia98 Posts
1. AWESOME, for pro games 2. Unfixable (which is also great) It's impossible to fix because it works differently then the previous method which was hotfixed, this involves game mechanics which are the core of the unit pathing. Only way they can "fix" it, is the default without delay so that noobs will get the increased mineral income too. | ||
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Peanutbutter717
United States240 Posts
Edit: I guess if you did this with about 5 workers you could get an extra 10 minerals or so in 1 minute which is actually pretty good for early game. But just make sure youre keeping on building stuff because this method is very APM intensive. | ||
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Brainling
United States660 Posts
And if you think pros are microing combat units as well as they can, you aren't paying attention. Pros still make so many micro mistakes on their combat units, there is PLENTY of skill gap to be gained there. We don't need this to "raise the micro skill gap", and Blizzard knows it. This is gone by 1.5.1. | ||
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Malpractice.248
United States734 Posts
IF you only have the apm to do this OR close patches only, which one gives better returns? | ||
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thezanursic
5500 Posts
On August 15 2012 03:17 TitleRug wrote: It works but it's very APM intensive; I probably won't do this in a real game This is useless early game, but if we take assume that the player is really good with apm and can handle 6 workers at a time. That would be an extra 40-50 minerals per minute (More if done perfectly, but I'm assuming that scouting and such takes away from t hat) that would be around a 100 extra minerals at the time when you are making your first marine. | ||
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Mr Showtime
United States1353 Posts
On August 15 2012 05:19 TheDougler wrote: How does more actions in the early game dumb it down? Edit: fuck. Blew right by my 3000th post sometime in the last week. I wouldn't use the phrase "dumbed down," but I agree it's bad. This doesn't add more skill to the games, it's a tedious and annoying action. The game should have more challenges to allow skills to develop, not tedious tasks that just add more actions to the list of things that you should be doing. | ||
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BigJoe
United States210 Posts
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BigJoe
United States210 Posts
On August 15 2012 06:18 Brainling wrote: Everyone realizes this will be hotfixed, right? This is the kind of menial micro task Blizzard set out to remove from StarCraft, not add more of. They want you spending micro energy on combat units, not sitting their microing workers to maximum mineral efficiency. It's not fun for the players, and it's not fun for the spectators. And if you think pros are microing combat units as well as they can, you aren't paying attention. Pros still make so many micro mistakes on their combat units, there is PLENTY of skill gap to be gained there. We don't need this to "raise the micro skill gap", and Blizzard knows it. This is gone by 1.5.1. That's what I thought too but you're not doing anything outside the mechanics of the game that you would normally be allowed to do. They hotfixed the "sock folding" method where you would shift click and spam return cargo on workers to do the same thing but I don't see any reason to hot fix this method OP says you right click move right up to the mineral patch and shift click on mineral patch, what is there to hot fix? | ||
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SoniStreet
Macedonia98 Posts
On August 15 2012 06:19 Malpractice.248 wrote: Question is: IF you only have the apm to do this OR close patches only, which one gives better returns? Simple answer(not trying to offend), the closer, since you can do the trick more often then the further mineral patches resulting in more use of it and higher % in income. | ||
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thezanursic
5500 Posts
On August 15 2012 03:35 TheDougler wrote: That is fucking awesome! I REALLY hope they don't nerf this... Though to be thorough, could somebody try it with mules? because THAT could potentially maybe be overpowered like mules were on gold minerals before that one patch. THIS (Because microing 6 workers early game and your mules midgame could become a standard thing) | ||
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Malpractice.248
United States734 Posts
On August 15 2012 06:23 SoniStreet wrote: Simple answer(not trying to offend), the closer, since you can do the trick more often then the further mineral patches resulting in more use of it and higher % in income. Well, i guess i worded it wrong :p I meant This trick (utilizing shift commands etc) vs stacking only on close patches early. I mean, maybe once i get a better hang of this i can stack on closer, and utilize this on farther... but idk. | ||
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Ljas
Finland725 Posts
On August 15 2012 06:18 Brainling wrote: Everyone realizes this will be hotfixed, right? How? How will they fix this? | ||
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Malpractice.248
United States734 Posts
Simply reducing acceleration to that of return cargo. | ||
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Trebis
United States182 Posts
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kaokentake
383 Posts
i garuntee if you put 12workers on your minerals, and TRIED to do this you would end up with maybe 101% of the income over TWO MINUTES while spending 100% of your apm on this so thats like... 5 extra minerals over 2 minutes and if you put 16 workers on minerals, likely your income would go DOWN and most games reach 16 workers around the time shortly after the first barracks is thrown down\ this is impossible to fix but minimal at best (20 mineral increase for a PRO who is pro at doing this) i see no problem even a buffed 6pool isnt a problem with this. and its impossible to fix anyway | ||
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thezanursic
5500 Posts
And a scoreboard with the average resource at 9 supply assuming that (the person splits and then just rallies) I would like to see this because I want to incorporate this in to my early-early game when you really don't have anything besides this to do. If anyone makes a map like this please PM me to let me know. | ||
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TheGreenMachine
United States730 Posts
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Wampaibist
United States478 Posts
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Mairou
Finland144 Posts
On August 15 2012 06:14 r.Evo wrote: I can't remember any popular game which offered the ability to gain advantages with small glitches like that. Not a single one. (Q3, CS, SCBW just off the top of my head. In fact, sometimes glitches create way better mechanics than actual design because, well.. no one thought about it before.) I know there's glithes that have became game features over time. I remeber especially when BoxeR used glitch to get his vultures through small hole in protoss wall in. But this one is different because its based on unknown fact that workers actually moves little bit slower while harvesting. And the fact that you cant even see the difference doesn't help Starcraft 2 to grow as a game or as a spectator sport at all. It's not one of those cool glitches, this is actually pretty boring for players and spectators. | ||
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Pure-SC2
United Kingdom1440 Posts
On August 15 2012 06:28 Trebis wrote: Here's a video of it working: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-pcofnS1ZE Thanks for the video Trebis, exactly what I wanted to see so I didn't have to open the replay. It makes a big difference! I wonder if any pros are already using this? | ||
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