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On August 15 2012 12:30 Acritter wrote:
How is this Elephant-worthy? They're in the LOSER'S BRACKET. That means, assuming the tournament is indicative of skill, they're in the worst half of the WCS.
Elephant doesn't necessarily mean they go on a dominating rampage. Elephant is the symbolization of KeSPA players > GOMTV players.
GOMTV players have had 3 years head start of these guys but these guys are beating them. Not to mention they still have to practice BW from time to time. It's basically indicative of what KeSPA players are capable of.
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The game had a lot of shakes and turns. It seems that when KeSPA players go up against GSL players, the KeSPA players have the advantage. GSL players' burden of losing to KeSPA players is heavy so if it goes all the way to the third game, that burden gets even heavier. In my case, I was able to play peacefully so I think I was able to make a comeback.
Jaedong is so cool.
Oh, and @ Seeker above. The idea behind the elephant thing was that the play we see from SC2 pros is a farce because it is nowhere near the level of play that the top BW players would bring. Obviously when 200 new people, including some very talented ones, start playing a new game, many will be competitive. The article is dumb because I think we can agree that TBLS isn't going to singlehandedly bring the game to new heights.
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On August 15 2012 14:01 Gorlin wrote:Show nested quote +The game had a lot of shakes and turns. It seems that when KeSPA players go up against GSL players, the KeSPA players have the advantage. GSL players' burden of losing to KeSPA players is heavy so if it goes all the way to the third game, that burden gets even heavier. In my case, I was able to play peacefully so I think I was able to make a comeback. Jaedong is so cool. Oh, and @ Seeker above. The idea behind the elephant thing was that the play we see from SC2 pros is a farce because it is nowhere near the level of play that the top BW players would bring. Obviously when 200 new people, including some very talented ones, start playing a new game, many will be competitive. The article is dumb because I think we can agree that TBLS isn't going to singlehandedly bring the game to new heights.
I see. Thank you for your input 
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^that's actually one thing I don't agree on yet
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On August 15 2012 14:14 rysecake wrote:
^that's actually one thing I don't agree on yet
I'm fine with people supporting the "elephant" idea to a degree if they realize that it's not about how in a year, there will be no GSL players left. That said, would you agree that the article was silly for how much it downplayed the skill of current top SC2 players, and even if, say, Jaedong becomes the best player in the world, that doesn't show that the play before him was a "farce"?
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On August 15 2012 14:28 Gorlin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 14:14 rysecake wrote:
^that's actually one thing I don't agree on yet I'm fine with people supporting the "elephant" idea to a degree if they realize that it's not about how in a year, there will be no GSL players left. That said, would you agree that the article was silly for how much it downplayed the skill of current top SC2 players, and even if, say, Jaedong becomes the best player in the world, that doesn't show that the play before him was a "farce"?
Nah I would never say no gsl players left. That's just silly. But kespa players rising to the top is something that I see happening.
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On August 15 2012 10:12 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 09:22 opterown wrote:Well, StorkHwaiting is gone, that's about half of the combative BW posts LR thread yesterday almost got ugly but turned out okay in the end Always going to be a vocal minority for everything. They're loud and annoying and most people think they're loud and annoying.
I feel like this Squeegy guy is StorkHwaiting's alt trying to tone it down a little bit, he exudes that need for attention and agreement.
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elephant bla bla bla
We should just be happy about the fact that we got a big bunch of new talented SC2 players out there who bring a lot of fans/fangirls/publicity to the scene
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On August 15 2012 14:28 Gorlin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 14:14 rysecake wrote:
^that's actually one thing I don't agree on yet I'm fine with people supporting the "elephant" idea to a degree if they realize that it's not about how in a year, there will be no GSL players left. That said, would you agree that the article was silly for how much it downplayed the skill of current top SC2 players, and even if, say, Jaedong becomes the best player in the world, that doesn't show that the play before him was a "farce"?
Most admit that back when the article was written the level of play was pretty bad. For some reason people don't seem to be able to put two and two together. They will post "Oh the article is a pile of crap" and then post "the skill level back then was so bad" right afterwards. That the games these days are much more entertaining than back then.
At the time of the writing of the article, the average skill level of the players was a farce, I've seen hundreds of posts saying that the skill level was really bad "back then", the games are much better now than "back then". They are basically saying that the scene back then, was a farce, in lighter terms.
The article is just outdated. It is no longer relevant, the Kespa players arrived very late. Had the top 300 players moved over at the time of the writing of the article, the scene would be completely different today. Not saying that the top 300 players would be the top 300 in sc2, but the scene would look completely different.
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On August 15 2012 14:41 sluggaslamoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 14:28 Gorlin wrote:On August 15 2012 14:14 rysecake wrote:
^that's actually one thing I don't agree on yet I'm fine with people supporting the "elephant" idea to a degree if they realize that it's not about how in a year, there will be no GSL players left. That said, would you agree that the article was silly for how much it downplayed the skill of current top SC2 players, and even if, say, Jaedong becomes the best player in the world, that doesn't show that the play before him was a "farce"? Most admit that back when the article was written the level of play was pretty bad. For some reason people don't seem to be able to put two and two together. They will post "Oh the article is a pile of crap" and then post "the skill level back then was so bad" right afterwards. That the games these days are much more entertaining than back then. At the time of the writing of the article, the average skill level of the players was a farce, I've seen hundreds of posts saying that the skill level was really bad "back then", the games are much better now than "back then". They are basically saying that the scene back then, was a farce, in lighter terms. The article is just outdated. It is no longer relevant, the Kespa players arrived very late. Had the top 300 players moved over at the time of the writing of the article, the scene would be completely different today. Not saying that the top 300 players would be the top 300 in sc2, but the scene would look completely different.
Actually if you'll remember to when the article was written, most people and pro players agreed that the article was crap. Artosis Idra and others who were the best foreigners in BW all said the article was crap at the actual time of its writing. Guess what? The article is still crap, and the TL mods are still biased and treat the SC2 posters like red headed step children and the BW posters like privileged spoiled kids who get what they want.
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On August 15 2012 14:41 sluggaslamoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 14:28 Gorlin wrote:On August 15 2012 14:14 rysecake wrote:
^that's actually one thing I don't agree on yet I'm fine with people supporting the "elephant" idea to a degree if they realize that it's not about how in a year, there will be no GSL players left. That said, would you agree that the article was silly for how much it downplayed the skill of current top SC2 players, and even if, say, Jaedong becomes the best player in the world, that doesn't show that the play before him was a "farce"? Most admit that back when the article was written the level of play was pretty bad. For some reason people don't seem to be able to put two and two together. They will post "Oh the article is a pile of crap" and then post "the skill level back then was so bad" right afterwards. That the games these days are much more entertaining than back then. At the time of the writing of the article, the average skill level of the players was a farce, I've seen hundreds of posts saying that the skill level was really bad "back then", the games are much better now than "back then". They are basically saying that the scene back then, was a farce, in lighter terms. The article is just outdated. It is no longer relevant, the Kespa players arrived very late. Had the top 300 players moved over at the time of the writing of the article, the scene would be completely different today. Not saying that the top 300 players would be the top 300 in sc2, but the scene would look completely different.
Just because the games today are at a much higher level than at the time the article was written, it doesn't mean that the competition was a farse, it's akin to saying that everyone that came before Flash was a farse, that boxer, july, iloveoov, nada, etc. were all are a farse.
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On August 15 2012 12:58 SeeKeR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 12:30 Acritter wrote:
How is this Elephant-worthy? They're in the LOSER'S BRACKET. That means, assuming the tournament is indicative of skill, they're in the worst half of the WCS. Elephant doesn't necessarily mean they go on a dominating rampage. Elephant is the symbolization of KeSPA players > GOMTV players. GOMTV players have had 3 years head start of these guys but these guys are beating them. Not to mention they still have to practice BW from time to time. It's basically indicative of what KeSPA players are capable of.
Actually dominating after 3 months was exactly what the elephant article said. That's why people were/are mad. No one would have gotten offended or upset if the article said "hey these guys over here play a pretty similar game at a high level, I'd bet they might be pretty good at your game too". The article said 300 of them would dominate in 3 months. And now BW elitists have twisted it so much that people invoke the elephant in what I believe (along with Roro) are the first competitive televised victories EVER of a kespa pro over a GSL pro.
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On August 15 2012 11:35 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 10:36 FataLe wrote:On August 15 2012 10:19 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 15 2012 08:21 mrtomjones wrote:On August 15 2012 06:19 Squeegy wrote:On August 15 2012 06:08 hunts wrote:On August 15 2012 06:04 Squeegy wrote:On August 15 2012 05:47 hunts wrote:On August 15 2012 05:40 rysecake wrote:On August 15 2012 05:34 hunts wrote:
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this, and the main thing I'm against is the blatant mod bias that's been happening ever since the elephent thread. Where bans/warning are very liberally handed out for anyone bashing on Bw or defending SC2, while the people bashing SC2 almost never get banned and very rarely even warned. But again sorry for the off topic. Really glad to see JD going through, he's probably the one kespa player I really actually wanna see dominate. mods here came from sc1. obviously shouldn't be biased at all but think about how they feel towards bw bashing especially. I understand how they feel, and I agree BW should be given the respect it deserves. Even though I didn't even know there was such a thing as esports or pro gaming till SC2 beta, I've played SC1 since before BW, I remember being in middle school and saving up allowance money to buy BW the day it came out, it was a great game and a part of many peoples childhoods. But it's still very unprofessional of the mods to have the blatant bias that they do, and I really hope it's something that gets fixed. What I've come to notice is that the mods do, in fact, do a good job. Often times when someone feels they've been dealt injustice, it is really that they are looking at it through tinted glasses. Sometimes the person you think was bashing SC2 was not in fact bashing SC2 at all. When it comes to TL, some bias towards BW is only good. People who were not there to experience BW throughout the years should also remain silent if they don't have anything good to say. BW should always, and I think it always will, have a special place on TL. But that's exactly what bias is. Telling people who weren't around during BW "well you shouldn't talk." That's the exact problem, and you don't seem to comprehend it. And now if you look there are far more people bashing SC2 as there are bashing BW, yet far more people defending SC2 that get bans/warnings for doing so. That IS bias. Often times when someone feels that something they are involved in (as you are on the BW side of arguments) are fair, they are looking at it through tinted glasses. I didn't say there is no bias. I said when it comes to TL, some bias towards BW is in fact good. Do you see how easily you misread what I wrote? That is my point exactly. And you say there are far more people bashing SC as there are bashing BW and getting bans/warnings for doing so. I disagree. Now what? Do you have any kind of evidence to support your claim? You are claiming this purely on how you feel, and I dare say you are not the most objective person to make such observations. In reality though, I do not disagree. You might very well be right. But the difference isn't particularly big. Moreover, as I said, some bias is only good. It'll remind people to be respectful of how it all started. Bias in moderating is NEVER good. I have experienced it often enough and have no desire for it to continue in a community that supposedly strives to be the best SC place to be. Pity that TL.net is pretty open about giving benefit of the doubt to posters that have been around for a longer period of time. That would be biased moderating, no? You have to take it for what it is guys. Yea TL mods and the like are very, very biased but TL has made not attempts at hiding. They TELL you they're biased, and with that, even if you don't agree with it, even if it makes the least bit sense to EVERYONE else, you just have to accept it. Heck I'd rather have disgustingly biased mods (pretty close anyway lol) than having this forum turn into memedom + insulting everyone every which way. It already is turning that way except 1 difference. There is a 1way street of said insults + memes. Hell with their own article they promoted it that way.
Yea I can see your point. However I feel once this whole transition period passes we'll go back to being one big happy family.
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On August 15 2012 12:30 Acritter wrote:
How is this Elephant-worthy? They're in the LOSER'S BRACKET. That means, assuming the tournament is indicative of skill, they're in the worst half of the WCS.
i thought this aswell lol.
elephant is not relephant if you're in the losers bracket.
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On August 15 2012 12:58 SeeKeR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 12:30 Acritter wrote:
How is this Elephant-worthy? They're in the LOSER'S BRACKET. That means, assuming the tournament is indicative of skill, they're in the worst half of the WCS. Elephant doesn't necessarily mean they go on a dominating rampage. Elephant is the symbolization of KeSPA players > GOMTV players. GOMTV players have had 3 years head start of these guys but these guys are beating them. Not to mention they still have to practice BW from time to time. It's basically indicative of what KeSPA players are capable of.
Yea but that's been debunked by a few sc2 players and sc1 players alike. SURE they're going to say oh we've just been practicing for 3 months as to rid them of the pressure of doing well. However that's not entirely true as people have been saying they've been practicing for much longer than that.
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On August 15 2012 15:03 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 14:41 sluggaslamoo wrote:On August 15 2012 14:28 Gorlin wrote:On August 15 2012 14:14 rysecake wrote:
^that's actually one thing I don't agree on yet I'm fine with people supporting the "elephant" idea to a degree if they realize that it's not about how in a year, there will be no GSL players left. That said, would you agree that the article was silly for how much it downplayed the skill of current top SC2 players, and even if, say, Jaedong becomes the best player in the world, that doesn't show that the play before him was a "farce"? Most admit that back when the article was written the level of play was pretty bad. For some reason people don't seem to be able to put two and two together. They will post "Oh the article is a pile of crap" and then post "the skill level back then was so bad" right afterwards. That the games these days are much more entertaining than back then. At the time of the writing of the article, the average skill level of the players was a farce, I've seen hundreds of posts saying that the skill level was really bad "back then", the games are much better now than "back then". They are basically saying that the scene back then, was a farce, in lighter terms. The article is just outdated. It is no longer relevant, the Kespa players arrived very late. Had the top 300 players moved over at the time of the writing of the article, the scene would be completely different today. Not saying that the top 300 players would be the top 300 in sc2, but the scene would look completely different. Just because the games today are at a much higher level than at the time the article was written, it doesn't mean that the competition was a farse, it's akin to saying that everyone that came before Flash was a farse, that boxer, july, iloveoov, nada, etc. were all are a farse.
It would be like saying the first/second year of pro-BW was a farce. Most people look back on those years and laugh at how bad everyone was, it was indeed a farce, a mockery compared to the skill level today.
Imagine if someone came out with an article saying the competition was a farce back then, there would probably be an outcry, but looking back at it now, it would probably be true. It is no different for the said elephant article. Sorry but the top player of SC2 today, would absolutely dominate the top players of SC2 back then.
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On August 15 2012 15:56 sluggaslamoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 15:03 IshinShishi wrote:On August 15 2012 14:41 sluggaslamoo wrote:On August 15 2012 14:28 Gorlin wrote:On August 15 2012 14:14 rysecake wrote:
^that's actually one thing I don't agree on yet I'm fine with people supporting the "elephant" idea to a degree if they realize that it's not about how in a year, there will be no GSL players left. That said, would you agree that the article was silly for how much it downplayed the skill of current top SC2 players, and even if, say, Jaedong becomes the best player in the world, that doesn't show that the play before him was a "farce"? Most admit that back when the article was written the level of play was pretty bad. For some reason people don't seem to be able to put two and two together. They will post "Oh the article is a pile of crap" and then post "the skill level back then was so bad" right afterwards. That the games these days are much more entertaining than back then. At the time of the writing of the article, the average skill level of the players was a farce, I've seen hundreds of posts saying that the skill level was really bad "back then", the games are much better now than "back then". They are basically saying that the scene back then, was a farce, in lighter terms. The article is just outdated. It is no longer relevant, the Kespa players arrived very late. Had the top 300 players moved over at the time of the writing of the article, the scene would be completely different today. Not saying that the top 300 players would be the top 300 in sc2, but the scene would look completely different. Just because the games today are at a much higher level than at the time the article was written, it doesn't mean that the competition was a farse, it's akin to saying that everyone that came before Flash was a farse, that boxer, july, iloveoov, nada, etc. were all are a farse. It would be like saying the first/second year of pro-BW was a farce. Most people look back on those years and laugh at how bad everyone was, it was indeed a farce, a mockery compared to the skill level today. Imagine if someone came out with an article saying the competition was a farce back then, there would probably be an outcry, but looking back at it now, it would probably be true. It is no different for the said elephant article. Sorry but the top player of SC2 today, would absolutely dominate the top players of SC2 back then.
yes but this is true no matter what game you play. the article didn't say 'the competition now is a farce, brb in a few years we'll laugh at how dumb everyone is' the article instead say 'the players at the top now are nothing to what is to come FROM BW pros' at least that was my interpretation. It singled 2 groups and chose to downplay one and praise one. It didn't draw a common ground by saying the play now is terrible, wait for a few years and everyones play will be much better which is what i think you were trying to get at.
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Poll: Remove the Elephant/Rhino pictures?No (65) 64% Yes (32) 31% Yes but only rhino (5) 5% Yes but only elephant (0) 0% 102 total votes Your vote: Remove the Elephant/Rhino pictures? (Vote): Yes
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On August 15 2012 16:02 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 15:56 sluggaslamoo wrote:On August 15 2012 15:03 IshinShishi wrote:On August 15 2012 14:41 sluggaslamoo wrote:On August 15 2012 14:28 Gorlin wrote:On August 15 2012 14:14 rysecake wrote:
^that's actually one thing I don't agree on yet I'm fine with people supporting the "elephant" idea to a degree if they realize that it's not about how in a year, there will be no GSL players left. That said, would you agree that the article was silly for how much it downplayed the skill of current top SC2 players, and even if, say, Jaedong becomes the best player in the world, that doesn't show that the play before him was a "farce"? Most admit that back when the article was written the level of play was pretty bad. For some reason people don't seem to be able to put two and two together. They will post "Oh the article is a pile of crap" and then post "the skill level back then was so bad" right afterwards. That the games these days are much more entertaining than back then. At the time of the writing of the article, the average skill level of the players was a farce, I've seen hundreds of posts saying that the skill level was really bad "back then", the games are much better now than "back then". They are basically saying that the scene back then, was a farce, in lighter terms. The article is just outdated. It is no longer relevant, the Kespa players arrived very late. Had the top 300 players moved over at the time of the writing of the article, the scene would be completely different today. Not saying that the top 300 players would be the top 300 in sc2, but the scene would look completely different. Just because the games today are at a much higher level than at the time the article was written, it doesn't mean that the competition was a farse, it's akin to saying that everyone that came before Flash was a farse, that boxer, july, iloveoov, nada, etc. were all are a farse. It would be like saying the first/second year of pro-BW was a farce. Most people look back on those years and laugh at how bad everyone was, it was indeed a farce, a mockery compared to the skill level today. Imagine if someone came out with an article saying the competition was a farce back then, there would probably be an outcry, but looking back at it now, it would probably be true. It is no different for the said elephant article. Sorry but the top player of SC2 today, would absolutely dominate the top players of SC2 back then. yes but this is true no matter what game you play. the article didn't say 'the competition now is a farce, brb in a few years we'll laugh at how dumb everyone is' the article instead say 'the players at the top now are nothing to what is to come FROM BW pros' at least that was my interpretation. It singled 2 groups and chose to downplay one and praise one. It didn't draw a common ground by saying the play now is terrible, wait for a few years and everyones play will be much better which is what i think you were trying to get at.
Actually the article precisely said that the competition was then a farce. That is why it said "the competition thus far has been a farce". You see, that leaves out the option that the competition will not be a farce in the future.
On August 15 2012 15:03 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 14:41 sluggaslamoo wrote:On August 15 2012 14:28 Gorlin wrote:On August 15 2012 14:14 rysecake wrote:
^that's actually one thing I don't agree on yet I'm fine with people supporting the "elephant" idea to a degree if they realize that it's not about how in a year, there will be no GSL players left. That said, would you agree that the article was silly for how much it downplayed the skill of current top SC2 players, and even if, say, Jaedong becomes the best player in the world, that doesn't show that the play before him was a "farce"? Most admit that back when the article was written the level of play was pretty bad. For some reason people don't seem to be able to put two and two together. They will post "Oh the article is a pile of crap" and then post "the skill level back then was so bad" right afterwards. That the games these days are much more entertaining than back then. At the time of the writing of the article, the average skill level of the players was a farce, I've seen hundreds of posts saying that the skill level was really bad "back then", the games are much better now than "back then". They are basically saying that the scene back then, was a farce, in lighter terms. The article is just outdated. It is no longer relevant, the Kespa players arrived very late. Had the top 300 players moved over at the time of the writing of the article, the scene would be completely different today. Not saying that the top 300 players would be the top 300 in sc2, but the scene would look completely different. Just because the games today are at a much higher level than at the time the article was written, it doesn't mean that the competition was a farse, it's akin to saying that everyone that came before Flash was a farse, that boxer, july, iloveoov, nada, etc. were all are a farse.
Of course not. That is why Nada's domination of BW was not a farce. You see, there are two conditions that need to be satisfied for it to be the case: the play must be bad and the competition must lack the best players. That is why Nada's domination was not a farce because at the time Nada really was the best. The best RTS gamers there were, were playing BW. Of course in retrospect we can see that the level of play evolved. Just as we see that the level of play in SC2 has evolved. That is why nobody thinks the competition in SC2 is a farce anymore. The point of the elephant, however, was not that the competition was a farce, the elephant in the room was that there are players more talented and hardworking than the top of SC2.
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On August 15 2012 17:25 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 16:02 FataLe wrote:On August 15 2012 15:56 sluggaslamoo wrote:On August 15 2012 15:03 IshinShishi wrote:On August 15 2012 14:41 sluggaslamoo wrote:On August 15 2012 14:28 Gorlin wrote:On August 15 2012 14:14 rysecake wrote:
^that's actually one thing I don't agree on yet I'm fine with people supporting the "elephant" idea to a degree if they realize that it's not about how in a year, there will be no GSL players left. That said, would you agree that the article was silly for how much it downplayed the skill of current top SC2 players, and even if, say, Jaedong becomes the best player in the world, that doesn't show that the play before him was a "farce"? Most admit that back when the article was written the level of play was pretty bad. For some reason people don't seem to be able to put two and two together. They will post "Oh the article is a pile of crap" and then post "the skill level back then was so bad" right afterwards. That the games these days are much more entertaining than back then. At the time of the writing of the article, the average skill level of the players was a farce, I've seen hundreds of posts saying that the skill level was really bad "back then", the games are much better now than "back then". They are basically saying that the scene back then, was a farce, in lighter terms. The article is just outdated. It is no longer relevant, the Kespa players arrived very late. Had the top 300 players moved over at the time of the writing of the article, the scene would be completely different today. Not saying that the top 300 players would be the top 300 in sc2, but the scene would look completely different. Just because the games today are at a much higher level than at the time the article was written, it doesn't mean that the competition was a farse, it's akin to saying that everyone that came before Flash was a farse, that boxer, july, iloveoov, nada, etc. were all are a farse. It would be like saying the first/second year of pro-BW was a farce. Most people look back on those years and laugh at how bad everyone was, it was indeed a farce, a mockery compared to the skill level today. Imagine if someone came out with an article saying the competition was a farce back then, there would probably be an outcry, but looking back at it now, it would probably be true. It is no different for the said elephant article. Sorry but the top player of SC2 today, would absolutely dominate the top players of SC2 back then. yes but this is true no matter what game you play. the article didn't say 'the competition now is a farce, brb in a few years we'll laugh at how dumb everyone is' the article instead say 'the players at the top now are nothing to what is to come FROM BW pros' at least that was my interpretation. It singled 2 groups and chose to downplay one and praise one. It didn't draw a common ground by saying the play now is terrible, wait for a few years and everyones play will be much better which is what i think you were trying to get at. Actually the article precisely said that the competition was then a farce. That is why it said "the competition thus far has been a farce". You see, that leaves out the option that the competition will not be a farce in the future. Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 15:03 IshinShishi wrote:On August 15 2012 14:41 sluggaslamoo wrote:On August 15 2012 14:28 Gorlin wrote:On August 15 2012 14:14 rysecake wrote:
^that's actually one thing I don't agree on yet I'm fine with people supporting the "elephant" idea to a degree if they realize that it's not about how in a year, there will be no GSL players left. That said, would you agree that the article was silly for how much it downplayed the skill of current top SC2 players, and even if, say, Jaedong becomes the best player in the world, that doesn't show that the play before him was a "farce"? Most admit that back when the article was written the level of play was pretty bad. For some reason people don't seem to be able to put two and two together. They will post "Oh the article is a pile of crap" and then post "the skill level back then was so bad" right afterwards. That the games these days are much more entertaining than back then. At the time of the writing of the article, the average skill level of the players was a farce, I've seen hundreds of posts saying that the skill level was really bad "back then", the games are much better now than "back then". They are basically saying that the scene back then, was a farce, in lighter terms. The article is just outdated. It is no longer relevant, the Kespa players arrived very late. Had the top 300 players moved over at the time of the writing of the article, the scene would be completely different today. Not saying that the top 300 players would be the top 300 in sc2, but the scene would look completely different. Just because the games today are at a much higher level than at the time the article was written, it doesn't mean that the competition was a farse, it's akin to saying that everyone that came before Flash was a farse, that boxer, july, iloveoov, nada, etc. were all are a farse. Of course not. That is why Nada's domination of BW was not a farce. You see, there are two conditions that need to be satisfied for it to be the case: the play must be bad and the competition must lack the best players. That is why Nada's domination was not a farce because at the time Nada really was the best. The best RTS gamers there were, were playing BW. Of course in retrospect we can see that the level of play evolved. Just as we see that the level of play in SC2 has evolved. That is why nobody thinks the competition in SC2 is a farce anymore. The point of the elephant, however, was not that the competition was a farce, the elephant in the room was that there are players more talented and hardworking than the top of SC2.
Must you continue with your attempts at revisionist history? (the elephant article is available for everyone to see, mind you) Why would the article have been written if the intent was so benign as to merely wish to state admiration of Flash's talent and determination as a gamer? The point was that since MC and the like were dominant yet hardly good at Brood War, the competition was a farce. The level of play at the time is never mentioned in the post (from what I remember, sorry if I'm wrong), it's all about the distinct possibility that KeSPA could switch over and simply crush the scene with their superior talent and dedication. That's why it was a farce, because the competition is arbitrarily restricted from having the best players available and they live only by the grace of Flash&co not switching over. (it reminds me of Lance Armstrong saying that the level of competition was kind of pathetic these first few years after he retired, so he would have to come back to grant legitimacy to the competition again)
Almost all the best players of this moment were playing back then as well, (Taeja and MKP participated in the open seasons of GSL..) if it was the players that made it a farce back then it still must be now. If the elephant theory holds, then the next few months are essentially just about waiting a little bit until the KeSPA players have had enough practice in to supplant the GSL scene. Which makes this rivalry not just a friendly one, but a battle of survival where only one can come out on top. (sorry, I watched Hunger Games yesterday)
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