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On August 15 2012 07:41 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 07:37 Squeegy wrote:On August 15 2012 07:23 opterown wrote:guys, as i said in the other thread - ignore Squeegy like the plague, he's not worth it  But why am I not worth it and why should I be ignored? I am not posting one liners On August 14 2012 20:07 Squeegy wrote:
I don't think I even have to say it. The guy called the best player in the world around a month ago just lost to one of the elephants playing two games and SC2 only for little while. U mad? or calling you names. If you feel not welcome here and like a second class citizen, then that is even better! Somebody even called me one of the more reasonable BW fans here in this very thread. You don't have to like what I say but that does not mean that I am not worth it. And if this topic is of interest to some, I don't see why they should ignore me specifically. Of course if they don't wish to discuss the topic they can ignore me, and I'm sure many do, but since they keep discussing it with me, it seems to me like the topic is of interest to them.
But look at my posts in this thread. Are they somehow corrupt?
When I said if someone feels like a second-class citizen it is a good thing, I did not call anyone names. Nor did I, in fact, call anyone a second-class citizen either.
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On August 15 2012 07:49 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 07:41 Assirra wrote:On August 15 2012 07:37 Squeegy wrote:On August 15 2012 07:23 opterown wrote:guys, as i said in the other thread - ignore Squeegy like the plague, he's not worth it But why am I not worth it and why should I be ignored? I am not posting one liners On August 14 2012 20:07 Squeegy wrote:
I don't think I even have to say it. The guy called the best player in the world around a month ago just lost to one of the elephants playing two games and SC2 only for little while. U mad? or calling you names. If you feel not welcome here and like a second class citizen, then that is even better! Somebody even called me one of the more reasonable BW fans here in this very thread. You don't have to like what I say but that does not mean that I am not worth it. And if this topic is of interest to some, I don't see why they should ignore me specifically. Of course if they don't wish to discuss the topic they can ignore me, and I'm sure many do, but since they keep discussing it with me, it seems to me like the topic is of interest to them. But look at my posts in this thread. Are they somehow corrupt? When I said if someone feels like a second-class citizen it is a good thing, I did not call anyone names. Nor did I, in fact, call anyone a second-class citizen either.
But you DID say that anyone who's not from BW SHOULD feel like a second class citizen, and that they aren't welcome here. You basically sound like an old village guy who just watched his village turn into a city and is angry and wants all the "city slickin folk" to leave him to his old timey ways.
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On August 15 2012 07:51 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 07:49 Squeegy wrote:On August 15 2012 07:41 Assirra wrote:On August 15 2012 07:37 Squeegy wrote:On August 15 2012 07:23 opterown wrote:guys, as i said in the other thread - ignore Squeegy like the plague, he's not worth it But why am I not worth it and why should I be ignored? I am not posting one liners On August 14 2012 20:07 Squeegy wrote:
I don't think I even have to say it. The guy called the best player in the world around a month ago just lost to one of the elephants playing two games and SC2 only for little while. U mad? or calling you names. If you feel not welcome here and like a second class citizen, then that is even better! Somebody even called me one of the more reasonable BW fans here in this very thread. You don't have to like what I say but that does not mean that I am not worth it. And if this topic is of interest to some, I don't see why they should ignore me specifically. Of course if they don't wish to discuss the topic they can ignore me, and I'm sure many do, but since they keep discussing it with me, it seems to me like the topic is of interest to them. But look at my posts in this thread. Are they somehow corrupt? When I said if someone feels like a second-class citizen it is a good thing, I did not call anyone names. Nor did I, in fact, call anyone a second-class citizen either. But you DID say that anyone who's not from BW SHOULD feel like a second class citizen, and that they aren't welcome here. You basically sound like an old village guy who just watched his village turn into a city and is angry and wants all the "city slickin folk" to leave him to his old timey ways.
But I did not call you names there, and that is what we're discussing here, is it not? Moreover, what I said is not actually that you should feel that way. I said that it is good if you do. The point was that I prefer TL as it were, before all the new members, and that perhaps it could return to those days. Of course it can't, so I am not actually expecting you to go anywhere. So yes, your comparison is pretty accurate. But do notice that I am not saying that you should anything, expect perhaps respect BW.
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On August 15 2012 06:19 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 06:08 hunts wrote:On August 15 2012 06:04 Squeegy wrote:On August 15 2012 05:47 hunts wrote:On August 15 2012 05:40 rysecake wrote:On August 15 2012 05:34 hunts wrote:On August 15 2012 05:30 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 05:26 Hazuc wrote:On August 15 2012 05:16 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 05:13 elmizzt wrote:
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Conversely, people wouldnt keep bringing it up if there wasn't so much butthurt either. Such is life. :p So the primary motivation for bringing it up is to troll and annoy people, right? Rather than being for any semblance of a productive reason >_> Dude, you take this stuff way too seriously. Besides, this rivalry between GSL and KESPA players is probably the best thing that happened in Korea for the SC2 scene. I'm all for a good, healthy rivalry. What I'm not for is a rivalry in which one side just repeatedly brings up how shitty and outclassed the other side is/will be. this, and the main thing I'm against is the blatant mod bias that's been happening ever since the elephent thread. Where bans/warning are very liberally handed out for anyone bashing on Bw or defending SC2, while the people bashing SC2 almost never get banned and very rarely even warned. But again sorry for the off topic. Really glad to see JD going through, he's probably the one kespa player I really actually wanna see dominate. mods here came from sc1. obviously shouldn't be biased at all but think about how they feel towards bw bashing especially. I understand how they feel, and I agree BW should be given the respect it deserves. Even though I didn't even know there was such a thing as esports or pro gaming till SC2 beta, I've played SC1 since before BW, I remember being in middle school and saving up allowance money to buy BW the day it came out, it was a great game and a part of many peoples childhoods. But it's still very unprofessional of the mods to have the blatant bias that they do, and I really hope it's something that gets fixed. What I've come to notice is that the mods do, in fact, do a good job. Often times when someone feels they've been dealt injustice, it is really that they are looking at it through tinted glasses. Sometimes the person you think was bashing SC2 was not in fact bashing SC2 at all. When it comes to TL, some bias towards BW is only good. People who were not there to experience BW throughout the years should also remain silent if they don't have anything good to say. BW should always, and I think it always will, have a special place on TL. But that's exactly what bias is. Telling people who weren't around during BW "well you shouldn't talk." That's the exact problem, and you don't seem to comprehend it. And now if you look there are far more people bashing SC2 as there are bashing BW, yet far more people defending SC2 that get bans/warnings for doing so. That IS bias. Often times when someone feels that something they are involved in (as you are on the BW side of arguments) are fair, they are looking at it through tinted glasses. I didn't say there is no bias. I said when it comes to TL, some bias towards BW is in fact good. Do you see how easily you misread what I wrote? That is my point exactly. And you say there are far more people bashing SC as there are bashing BW and getting bans/warnings for doing so. I disagree. Now what? Do you have any kind of evidence to support your claim? You are claiming this purely on how you feel, and I dare say you are not the most objective person to make such observations. In reality though, I do not disagree. You might very well be right. But the difference isn't particularly big. Moreover, as I said, some bias is only good. It'll remind people to be respectful of how it all started.
Bias in moderating is NEVER good. I have experienced it often enough and have no desire for it to continue in a community that supposedly strives to be the best SC place to be.
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On August 15 2012 08:14 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 07:51 hunts wrote:On August 15 2012 07:49 Squeegy wrote:On August 15 2012 07:41 Assirra wrote:On August 15 2012 07:37 Squeegy wrote:On August 15 2012 07:23 opterown wrote:guys, as i said in the other thread - ignore Squeegy like the plague, he's not worth it But why am I not worth it and why should I be ignored? I am not posting one liners On August 14 2012 20:07 Squeegy wrote:
I don't think I even have to say it. The guy called the best player in the world around a month ago just lost to one of the elephants playing two games and SC2 only for little while. U mad? or calling you names. If you feel not welcome here and like a second class citizen, then that is even better! Somebody even called me one of the more reasonable BW fans here in this very thread. You don't have to like what I say but that does not mean that I am not worth it. And if this topic is of interest to some, I don't see why they should ignore me specifically. Of course if they don't wish to discuss the topic they can ignore me, and I'm sure many do, but since they keep discussing it with me, it seems to me like the topic is of interest to them. But look at my posts in this thread. Are they somehow corrupt? When I said if someone feels like a second-class citizen it is a good thing, I did not call anyone names. Nor did I, in fact, call anyone a second-class citizen either. But you DID say that anyone who's not from BW SHOULD feel like a second class citizen, and that they aren't welcome here. You basically sound like an old village guy who just watched his village turn into a city and is angry and wants all the "city slickin folk" to leave him to his old timey ways. But I did not call you names there, and that is what we're discussing here, is it not? Moreover, what I said is not actually that you should feel that way. I said that it is good if you do. The point was that I prefer TL as it were, before all the new members, and that perhaps it could return to those days. Of course it can't, so I am not actually expecting you to go anywhere. So yes, your comparison is pretty accurate. But do notice that I am not saying that you should anything, expect perhaps respect BW.
Well first off though, why SHOULD we really respect the BW people if they show disrespect and animosity towards us in the way you do? Also calling people names isn't the only thing you can do to come off as hostile, and you DO come off as hostile. Also pretty funny you talk about "good old days" When you've barely been here a year longer than me lol. Oh well, I don't actually expect the mods to stop being biased, but it definitely makes me lose respect for TL as a legitimate community site.
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On August 15 2012 08:21 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 06:19 Squeegy wrote:On August 15 2012 06:08 hunts wrote:On August 15 2012 06:04 Squeegy wrote:On August 15 2012 05:47 hunts wrote:On August 15 2012 05:40 rysecake wrote:On August 15 2012 05:34 hunts wrote:On August 15 2012 05:30 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 05:26 Hazuc wrote:On August 15 2012 05:16 HolyArrow wrote:
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So the primary motivation for bringing it up is to troll and annoy people, right? Rather than being for any semblance of a productive reason >_> Dude, you take this stuff way too seriously. Besides, this rivalry between GSL and KESPA players is probably the best thing that happened in Korea for the SC2 scene. I'm all for a good, healthy rivalry. What I'm not for is a rivalry in which one side just repeatedly brings up how shitty and outclassed the other side is/will be. this, and the main thing I'm against is the blatant mod bias that's been happening ever since the elephent thread. Where bans/warning are very liberally handed out for anyone bashing on Bw or defending SC2, while the people bashing SC2 almost never get banned and very rarely even warned. But again sorry for the off topic. Really glad to see JD going through, he's probably the one kespa player I really actually wanna see dominate. mods here came from sc1. obviously shouldn't be biased at all but think about how they feel towards bw bashing especially. I understand how they feel, and I agree BW should be given the respect it deserves. Even though I didn't even know there was such a thing as esports or pro gaming till SC2 beta, I've played SC1 since before BW, I remember being in middle school and saving up allowance money to buy BW the day it came out, it was a great game and a part of many peoples childhoods. But it's still very unprofessional of the mods to have the blatant bias that they do, and I really hope it's something that gets fixed. What I've come to notice is that the mods do, in fact, do a good job. Often times when someone feels they've been dealt injustice, it is really that they are looking at it through tinted glasses. Sometimes the person you think was bashing SC2 was not in fact bashing SC2 at all. When it comes to TL, some bias towards BW is only good. People who were not there to experience BW throughout the years should also remain silent if they don't have anything good to say. BW should always, and I think it always will, have a special place on TL. But that's exactly what bias is. Telling people who weren't around during BW "well you shouldn't talk." That's the exact problem, and you don't seem to comprehend it. And now if you look there are far more people bashing SC2 as there are bashing BW, yet far more people defending SC2 that get bans/warnings for doing so. That IS bias. Often times when someone feels that something they are involved in (as you are on the BW side of arguments) are fair, they are looking at it through tinted glasses. I didn't say there is no bias. I said when it comes to TL, some bias towards BW is in fact good. Do you see how easily you misread what I wrote? That is my point exactly. And you say there are far more people bashing SC as there are bashing BW and getting bans/warnings for doing so. I disagree. Now what? Do you have any kind of evidence to support your claim? You are claiming this purely on how you feel, and I dare say you are not the most objective person to make such observations. In reality though, I do not disagree. You might very well be right. But the difference isn't particularly big. Moreover, as I said, some bias is only good. It'll remind people to be respectful of how it all started. Bias in moderating is NEVER good. I have experienced it often enough and have no desire for it to continue in a community that supposedly strives to be the best SC place to be.
It is nice that you think so. But there would be more iron in your words if you explained why you think so.
On August 15 2012 08:31 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 08:14 Squeegy wrote:On August 15 2012 07:51 hunts wrote:On August 15 2012 07:49 Squeegy wrote:On August 15 2012 07:41 Assirra wrote:On August 15 2012 07:37 Squeegy wrote:On August 15 2012 07:23 opterown wrote:guys, as i said in the other thread - ignore Squeegy like the plague, he's not worth it But why am I not worth it and why should I be ignored? I am not posting one liners On August 14 2012 20:07 Squeegy wrote:
I don't think I even have to say it. The guy called the best player in the world around a month ago just lost to one of the elephants playing two games and SC2 only for little while. U mad? or calling you names. If you feel not welcome here and like a second class citizen, then that is even better! Somebody even called me one of the more reasonable BW fans here in this very thread. You don't have to like what I say but that does not mean that I am not worth it. And if this topic is of interest to some, I don't see why they should ignore me specifically. Of course if they don't wish to discuss the topic they can ignore me, and I'm sure many do, but since they keep discussing it with me, it seems to me like the topic is of interest to them. But look at my posts in this thread. Are they somehow corrupt? When I said if someone feels like a second-class citizen it is a good thing, I did not call anyone names. Nor did I, in fact, call anyone a second-class citizen either. But you DID say that anyone who's not from BW SHOULD feel like a second class citizen, and that they aren't welcome here. You basically sound like an old village guy who just watched his village turn into a city and is angry and wants all the "city slickin folk" to leave him to his old timey ways. But I did not call you names there, and that is what we're discussing here, is it not? Moreover, what I said is not actually that you should feel that way. I said that it is good if you do. The point was that I prefer TL as it were, before all the new members, and that perhaps it could return to those days. Of course it can't, so I am not actually expecting you to go anywhere. So yes, your comparison is pretty accurate. But do notice that I am not saying that you should anything, expect perhaps respect BW. Well first off though, why SHOULD we really respect the BW people if they show disrespect and animosity towards us in the way you do? Also calling people names isn't the only thing you can do to come off as hostile, and you DO come off as hostile. Also pretty funny you talk about "good old days" When you've barely been here a year longer than me lol. Oh well, I don't actually expect the mods to stop being biased, but it definitely makes me lose respect for TL as a legitimate community site.
I don't really care all that much if you respect the people. I care that you respect the legacy of BW. Well, I would hope that you would respect me for the fact that I've been part of this community for a long time. Much longer than this account, I assure you. Of course some people don't respect things like that, so that is up to you. Anyway, if you respect the legacy of BW, I don't have an issue. Of course what I mean by respecting the legacy might be more controversial.
Many of the things that I say that come off as hostile are really just an issue with the person interpreting it that way. I pointed this out earlier in this thread. I do come off as hostile too, no doubt, but not as often as people think. People just have a habit of reading too much into things. Like the elephant thread. I have seen people claim ridiculous things like that the elephant thread was about 100% crushing victory from the instant Kespa players switch.
And when it comes to the mods, well, we can agree to disagree.
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On August 15 2012 08:14 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 07:51 hunts wrote:On August 15 2012 07:49 Squeegy wrote:On August 15 2012 07:41 Assirra wrote:On August 15 2012 07:37 Squeegy wrote:On August 15 2012 07:23 opterown wrote:guys, as i said in the other thread - ignore Squeegy like the plague, he's not worth it But why am I not worth it and why should I be ignored? I am not posting one liners On August 14 2012 20:07 Squeegy wrote:
I don't think I even have to say it. The guy called the best player in the world around a month ago just lost to one of the elephants playing two games and SC2 only for little while. U mad? or calling you names. If you feel not welcome here and like a second class citizen, then that is even better! Somebody even called me one of the more reasonable BW fans here in this very thread. You don't have to like what I say but that does not mean that I am not worth it. And if this topic is of interest to some, I don't see why they should ignore me specifically. Of course if they don't wish to discuss the topic they can ignore me, and I'm sure many do, but since they keep discussing it with me, it seems to me like the topic is of interest to them. But look at my posts in this thread. Are they somehow corrupt? When I said if someone feels like a second-class citizen it is a good thing, I did not call anyone names. Nor did I, in fact, call anyone a second-class citizen either. But you DID say that anyone who's not from BW SHOULD feel like a second class citizen, and that they aren't welcome here. You basically sound like an old village guy who just watched his village turn into a city and is angry and wants all the "city slickin folk" to leave him to his old timey ways. But I did not call you names there, and that is what we're discussing here, is it not? Moreover, what I said is not actually that you should feel that way. I said that it is good if you do. The point was that I prefer TL as it were, before all the new members, and that perhaps it could return to those days. Of course it can't, so I am not actually expecting you to go anywhere. So yes, your comparison is pretty accurate. But do notice that I am not saying that you should anything, expect perhaps respect BW.
You know, most SC2 fans do respect BW. The ones that don't, they don't respect it because you have all these god damn BW elitists who think that anyone who follows or enjoys SC2 is sub-human, so naturally they are hesitant to embrace something that is so associated with people who constantly bash a game that they enjoy.
Or they are trolls trying to prompt a reaction, and you shouldn't pay too much attention to them anyways.
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On August 15 2012 09:13 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 08:14 Squeegy wrote:On August 15 2012 07:51 hunts wrote:On August 15 2012 07:49 Squeegy wrote:On August 15 2012 07:41 Assirra wrote:On August 15 2012 07:37 Squeegy wrote:On August 15 2012 07:23 opterown wrote:guys, as i said in the other thread - ignore Squeegy like the plague, he's not worth it But why am I not worth it and why should I be ignored? I am not posting one liners On August 14 2012 20:07 Squeegy wrote:
I don't think I even have to say it. The guy called the best player in the world around a month ago just lost to one of the elephants playing two games and SC2 only for little while. U mad? or calling you names. If you feel not welcome here and like a second class citizen, then that is even better! Somebody even called me one of the more reasonable BW fans here in this very thread. You don't have to like what I say but that does not mean that I am not worth it. And if this topic is of interest to some, I don't see why they should ignore me specifically. Of course if they don't wish to discuss the topic they can ignore me, and I'm sure many do, but since they keep discussing it with me, it seems to me like the topic is of interest to them. But look at my posts in this thread. Are they somehow corrupt? When I said if someone feels like a second-class citizen it is a good thing, I did not call anyone names. Nor did I, in fact, call anyone a second-class citizen either. But you DID say that anyone who's not from BW SHOULD feel like a second class citizen, and that they aren't welcome here. You basically sound like an old village guy who just watched his village turn into a city and is angry and wants all the "city slickin folk" to leave him to his old timey ways. But I did not call you names there, and that is what we're discussing here, is it not? Moreover, what I said is not actually that you should feel that way. I said that it is good if you do. The point was that I prefer TL as it were, before all the new members, and that perhaps it could return to those days. Of course it can't, so I am not actually expecting you to go anywhere. So yes, your comparison is pretty accurate. But do notice that I am not saying that you should anything, expect perhaps respect BW. You know, most SC2 fans do respect BW. The ones that don't, they don't respect it because you have all these god damn BW elitists who think that anyone who follows or enjoys SC2 is sub-human, so naturally they are hesitant to embrace something that is so associated with people who constantly bash a game that they enjoy. Or they are trolls trying to prompt a reaction, and you shouldn't pay too much attention to them anyways.
I don't even see how this became about respecting BW in the first place. Nobody, as far as I can see, is disrespecting BW at all. What people are disrespecting, however, is annoying, elitist BW fans. Not all BW fans, to be clear, but just ones from that ugly subset.
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On August 15 2012 09:22 opterown wrote:Well, StorkHwaiting is gone, that's about half of the combative BW posts LR thread yesterday almost got ugly but turned out okay in the end
Always going to be a vocal minority for everything. They're loud and annoying and most people think they're loud and annoying.
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On August 15 2012 08:21 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 06:19 Squeegy wrote:On August 15 2012 06:08 hunts wrote:On August 15 2012 06:04 Squeegy wrote:On August 15 2012 05:47 hunts wrote:On August 15 2012 05:40 rysecake wrote:On August 15 2012 05:34 hunts wrote:On August 15 2012 05:30 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 05:26 Hazuc wrote:On August 15 2012 05:16 HolyArrow wrote:
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So the primary motivation for bringing it up is to troll and annoy people, right? Rather than being for any semblance of a productive reason >_> Dude, you take this stuff way too seriously. Besides, this rivalry between GSL and KESPA players is probably the best thing that happened in Korea for the SC2 scene. I'm all for a good, healthy rivalry. What I'm not for is a rivalry in which one side just repeatedly brings up how shitty and outclassed the other side is/will be. this, and the main thing I'm against is the blatant mod bias that's been happening ever since the elephent thread. Where bans/warning are very liberally handed out for anyone bashing on Bw or defending SC2, while the people bashing SC2 almost never get banned and very rarely even warned. But again sorry for the off topic. Really glad to see JD going through, he's probably the one kespa player I really actually wanna see dominate. mods here came from sc1. obviously shouldn't be biased at all but think about how they feel towards bw bashing especially. I understand how they feel, and I agree BW should be given the respect it deserves. Even though I didn't even know there was such a thing as esports or pro gaming till SC2 beta, I've played SC1 since before BW, I remember being in middle school and saving up allowance money to buy BW the day it came out, it was a great game and a part of many peoples childhoods. But it's still very unprofessional of the mods to have the blatant bias that they do, and I really hope it's something that gets fixed. What I've come to notice is that the mods do, in fact, do a good job. Often times when someone feels they've been dealt injustice, it is really that they are looking at it through tinted glasses. Sometimes the person you think was bashing SC2 was not in fact bashing SC2 at all. When it comes to TL, some bias towards BW is only good. People who were not there to experience BW throughout the years should also remain silent if they don't have anything good to say. BW should always, and I think it always will, have a special place on TL. But that's exactly what bias is. Telling people who weren't around during BW "well you shouldn't talk." That's the exact problem, and you don't seem to comprehend it. And now if you look there are far more people bashing SC2 as there are bashing BW, yet far more people defending SC2 that get bans/warnings for doing so. That IS bias. Often times when someone feels that something they are involved in (as you are on the BW side of arguments) are fair, they are looking at it through tinted glasses. I didn't say there is no bias. I said when it comes to TL, some bias towards BW is in fact good. Do you see how easily you misread what I wrote? That is my point exactly. And you say there are far more people bashing SC as there are bashing BW and getting bans/warnings for doing so. I disagree. Now what? Do you have any kind of evidence to support your claim? You are claiming this purely on how you feel, and I dare say you are not the most objective person to make such observations. In reality though, I do not disagree. You might very well be right. But the difference isn't particularly big. Moreover, as I said, some bias is only good. It'll remind people to be respectful of how it all started. Bias in moderating is NEVER good. I have experienced it often enough and have no desire for it to continue in a community that supposedly strives to be the best SC place to be.
Pity that TL.net is pretty open about giving benefit of the doubt to posters that have been around for a longer period of time. That would be biased moderating, no?
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Super impressed with Effort's play. He showed he still has incredible micro, superior to even the best GSL players. IMO Effort will be the top zerg soon, since JD's micro hasn't been showing up for the past few years now. Congrats to the winners!
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On August 15 2012 10:19 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 08:21 mrtomjones wrote:On August 15 2012 06:19 Squeegy wrote:On August 15 2012 06:08 hunts wrote:On August 15 2012 06:04 Squeegy wrote:On August 15 2012 05:47 hunts wrote:On August 15 2012 05:40 rysecake wrote:On August 15 2012 05:34 hunts wrote:On August 15 2012 05:30 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 05:26 Hazuc wrote:
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Dude, you take this stuff way too seriously. Besides, this rivalry between GSL and KESPA players is probably the best thing that happened in Korea for the SC2 scene. I'm all for a good, healthy rivalry. What I'm not for is a rivalry in which one side just repeatedly brings up how shitty and outclassed the other side is/will be. this, and the main thing I'm against is the blatant mod bias that's been happening ever since the elephent thread. Where bans/warning are very liberally handed out for anyone bashing on Bw or defending SC2, while the people bashing SC2 almost never get banned and very rarely even warned. But again sorry for the off topic. Really glad to see JD going through, he's probably the one kespa player I really actually wanna see dominate. mods here came from sc1. obviously shouldn't be biased at all but think about how they feel towards bw bashing especially. I understand how they feel, and I agree BW should be given the respect it deserves. Even though I didn't even know there was such a thing as esports or pro gaming till SC2 beta, I've played SC1 since before BW, I remember being in middle school and saving up allowance money to buy BW the day it came out, it was a great game and a part of many peoples childhoods. But it's still very unprofessional of the mods to have the blatant bias that they do, and I really hope it's something that gets fixed. What I've come to notice is that the mods do, in fact, do a good job. Often times when someone feels they've been dealt injustice, it is really that they are looking at it through tinted glasses. Sometimes the person you think was bashing SC2 was not in fact bashing SC2 at all. When it comes to TL, some bias towards BW is only good. People who were not there to experience BW throughout the years should also remain silent if they don't have anything good to say. BW should always, and I think it always will, have a special place on TL. But that's exactly what bias is. Telling people who weren't around during BW "well you shouldn't talk." That's the exact problem, and you don't seem to comprehend it. And now if you look there are far more people bashing SC2 as there are bashing BW, yet far more people defending SC2 that get bans/warnings for doing so. That IS bias. Often times when someone feels that something they are involved in (as you are on the BW side of arguments) are fair, they are looking at it through tinted glasses. I didn't say there is no bias. I said when it comes to TL, some bias towards BW is in fact good. Do you see how easily you misread what I wrote? That is my point exactly. And you say there are far more people bashing SC as there are bashing BW and getting bans/warnings for doing so. I disagree. Now what? Do you have any kind of evidence to support your claim? You are claiming this purely on how you feel, and I dare say you are not the most objective person to make such observations. In reality though, I do not disagree. You might very well be right. But the difference isn't particularly big. Moreover, as I said, some bias is only good. It'll remind people to be respectful of how it all started. Bias in moderating is NEVER good. I have experienced it often enough and have no desire for it to continue in a community that supposedly strives to be the best SC place to be. Pity that TL.net is pretty open about giving benefit of the doubt to posters that have been around for a longer period of time. That would be biased moderating, no?
You have to take it for what it is guys. Yea TL mods and the like are very, very biased but TL has made not attempts at hiding. They TELL you they're biased, and with that, even if you don't agree with it, even if it makes the least bit sense to EVERYONE else, you just have to accept it. Heck I'd rather have disgustingly biased mods (pretty close anyway lol) than having this forum turn into memedom + insulting everyone every which way.
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On August 15 2012 10:36 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 10:19 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 15 2012 08:21 mrtomjones wrote:On August 15 2012 06:19 Squeegy wrote:On August 15 2012 06:08 hunts wrote:On August 15 2012 06:04 Squeegy wrote:On August 15 2012 05:47 hunts wrote:On August 15 2012 05:40 rysecake wrote:On August 15 2012 05:34 hunts wrote:On August 15 2012 05:30 HolyArrow wrote:
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I'm all for a good, healthy rivalry. What I'm not for is a rivalry in which one side just repeatedly brings up how shitty and outclassed the other side is/will be.
this, and the main thing I'm against is the blatant mod bias that's been happening ever since the elephent thread. Where bans/warning are very liberally handed out for anyone bashing on Bw or defending SC2, while the people bashing SC2 almost never get banned and very rarely even warned. But again sorry for the off topic. Really glad to see JD going through, he's probably the one kespa player I really actually wanna see dominate. mods here came from sc1. obviously shouldn't be biased at all but think about how they feel towards bw bashing especially. I understand how they feel, and I agree BW should be given the respect it deserves. Even though I didn't even know there was such a thing as esports or pro gaming till SC2 beta, I've played SC1 since before BW, I remember being in middle school and saving up allowance money to buy BW the day it came out, it was a great game and a part of many peoples childhoods. But it's still very unprofessional of the mods to have the blatant bias that they do, and I really hope it's something that gets fixed. What I've come to notice is that the mods do, in fact, do a good job. Often times when someone feels they've been dealt injustice, it is really that they are looking at it through tinted glasses. Sometimes the person you think was bashing SC2 was not in fact bashing SC2 at all. When it comes to TL, some bias towards BW is only good. People who were not there to experience BW throughout the years should also remain silent if they don't have anything good to say. BW should always, and I think it always will, have a special place on TL. But that's exactly what bias is. Telling people who weren't around during BW "well you shouldn't talk." That's the exact problem, and you don't seem to comprehend it. And now if you look there are far more people bashing SC2 as there are bashing BW, yet far more people defending SC2 that get bans/warnings for doing so. That IS bias. Often times when someone feels that something they are involved in (as you are on the BW side of arguments) are fair, they are looking at it through tinted glasses. I didn't say there is no bias. I said when it comes to TL, some bias towards BW is in fact good. Do you see how easily you misread what I wrote? That is my point exactly. And you say there are far more people bashing SC as there are bashing BW and getting bans/warnings for doing so. I disagree. Now what? Do you have any kind of evidence to support your claim? You are claiming this purely on how you feel, and I dare say you are not the most objective person to make such observations. In reality though, I do not disagree. You might very well be right. But the difference isn't particularly big. Moreover, as I said, some bias is only good. It'll remind people to be respectful of how it all started. Bias in moderating is NEVER good. I have experienced it often enough and have no desire for it to continue in a community that supposedly strives to be the best SC place to be. Pity that TL.net is pretty open about giving benefit of the doubt to posters that have been around for a longer period of time. That would be biased moderating, no? You have to take it for what it is guys. Yea TL mods and the like are very, very biased but TL has made not attempts at hiding. They TELL you they're biased, and with that, even if you don't agree with it, even if it makes the least bit sense to EVERYONE else, you just have to accept it. Heck I'd rather have disgustingly biased mods (pretty close anyway lol) than having this forum turn into memedom + insulting everyone every which way.
It was sarcasm. I like the system.
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Oh fuck. DRG may actually be falling into a slump.
Fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck. I hope this doesn't snowball any further, but it actually may.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
You face Puzzle in the round of eight.
PvP is all about luck and build orders so I will believe in that. Skill is important too but PvP is more about luck.
anti-Oz curse!
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On August 15 2012 10:36 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 10:19 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 15 2012 08:21 mrtomjones wrote:On August 15 2012 06:19 Squeegy wrote:On August 15 2012 06:08 hunts wrote:On August 15 2012 06:04 Squeegy wrote:On August 15 2012 05:47 hunts wrote:On August 15 2012 05:40 rysecake wrote:On August 15 2012 05:34 hunts wrote:On August 15 2012 05:30 HolyArrow wrote:
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I'm all for a good, healthy rivalry. What I'm not for is a rivalry in which one side just repeatedly brings up how shitty and outclassed the other side is/will be.
this, and the main thing I'm against is the blatant mod bias that's been happening ever since the elephent thread. Where bans/warning are very liberally handed out for anyone bashing on Bw or defending SC2, while the people bashing SC2 almost never get banned and very rarely even warned. But again sorry for the off topic. Really glad to see JD going through, he's probably the one kespa player I really actually wanna see dominate. mods here came from sc1. obviously shouldn't be biased at all but think about how they feel towards bw bashing especially. I understand how they feel, and I agree BW should be given the respect it deserves. Even though I didn't even know there was such a thing as esports or pro gaming till SC2 beta, I've played SC1 since before BW, I remember being in middle school and saving up allowance money to buy BW the day it came out, it was a great game and a part of many peoples childhoods. But it's still very unprofessional of the mods to have the blatant bias that they do, and I really hope it's something that gets fixed. What I've come to notice is that the mods do, in fact, do a good job. Often times when someone feels they've been dealt injustice, it is really that they are looking at it through tinted glasses. Sometimes the person you think was bashing SC2 was not in fact bashing SC2 at all. When it comes to TL, some bias towards BW is only good. People who were not there to experience BW throughout the years should also remain silent if they don't have anything good to say. BW should always, and I think it always will, have a special place on TL. But that's exactly what bias is. Telling people who weren't around during BW "well you shouldn't talk." That's the exact problem, and you don't seem to comprehend it. And now if you look there are far more people bashing SC2 as there are bashing BW, yet far more people defending SC2 that get bans/warnings for doing so. That IS bias. Often times when someone feels that something they are involved in (as you are on the BW side of arguments) are fair, they are looking at it through tinted glasses. I didn't say there is no bias. I said when it comes to TL, some bias towards BW is in fact good. Do you see how easily you misread what I wrote? That is my point exactly. And you say there are far more people bashing SC as there are bashing BW and getting bans/warnings for doing so. I disagree. Now what? Do you have any kind of evidence to support your claim? You are claiming this purely on how you feel, and I dare say you are not the most objective person to make such observations. In reality though, I do not disagree. You might very well be right. But the difference isn't particularly big. Moreover, as I said, some bias is only good. It'll remind people to be respectful of how it all started. Bias in moderating is NEVER good. I have experienced it often enough and have no desire for it to continue in a community that supposedly strives to be the best SC place to be. Pity that TL.net is pretty open about giving benefit of the doubt to posters that have been around for a longer period of time. That would be biased moderating, no? You have to take it for what it is guys. Yea TL mods and the like are very, very biased but TL has made not attempts at hiding. They TELL you they're biased, and with that, even if you don't agree with it, even if it makes the least bit sense to EVERYONE else, you just have to accept it. Heck I'd rather have disgustingly biased mods (pretty close anyway lol) than having this forum turn into memedom + insulting everyone every which way.
It already is turning that way except 1 difference. There is a 1way street of said insults + memes. Hell with their own article they promoted it that way.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
On August 15 2012 10:20 opterown wrote:btw, thanks seeker for the trans good stuff
NP.
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How is this Elephant-worthy? They're in the LOSER'S BRACKET. That means, assuming the tournament is indicative of skill, they're in the worst half of the WCS.
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