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On August 15 2012 05:02 mikedebo wrote:
For the record, I still think the elephant stuff is fun and hilarious. Rivalry makes for great stories (and horrible LR threads, but what ya gonna do :D)
only potatoes and HaXX make for good LR
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On August 15 2012 05:02 See.Blue wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 04:50 sAsImre wrote:On August 15 2012 03:44 SeeKeR wrote:On August 15 2012 03:22 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 03:13 ACrow wrote:Thank you very much for the translations, good work as usual  ...but why oh why, Seeker, did you post those pictures (the ones with the grey large animals)...that thread was one of the worst and dumbest one ever made on TL... Yeah I kind of wish people would stop perpetuating the dumb elephant shit. I just immensely dislike everything that article represents. I realize a BW vs. SC2 rivalry is inevitable, but the elephant in the room business is way too aggressive in that it just shits all over SC2 players, and it's not a healthy way to represent the rivalry IMO. Should I remove it? I personnaly find the whole elephant story and the people butthurt about it to be rather funny This. The elephant article was probably one of the all-time low points of the TL writing staff, but the butthurt surrounding it is just as silly. Just root for your fav players people (fuck yeah effort!)
There wouldn't be any butthurt surrounding it if people didn't keep bringing it up as if it held any weight.
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On August 15 2012 04:55 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 04:45 Squeegy wrote:On August 15 2012 04:04 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 03:45 Squeegy wrote:On August 15 2012 03:22 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 03:13 ACrow wrote:Thank you very much for the translations, good work as usual ...but why oh why, Seeker, did you post those pictures (the ones with the grey large animals)...that thread was one of the worst and dumbest one ever made on TL... Yeah I kind of wish people would stop perpetuating the dumb elephant shit. I just immensely dislike everything that article represents. I realize a BW vs. SC2 rivalry is inevitable, but the elephant in the room business is way too aggressive in that it just shits all over SC2 players, and it's not a healthy way to represent the rivalry IMO. The article was only aggressive when you consider it at the time. Most would agree that the level of play has evolved tremendously since then, therefore nobody would argue that the competition is a farce anymore. In that sense, the point of the article, that people stand by now, is really only that there are a lot of talented and hardworking players who have the potential to do as well and to surpass the best of GSL. You should interprete that as Kespa being that good rather than GSL being bad. From our perspective it is absurd to even suggest something like that MVP is comparable to Flash. We see it like suggesting a national level sprinter is comparable to Usain Bolt. We think that is arrogant. But that is not to say that MVP is not respectable or talented, because everybody thinks he is. What it is, is to suggest that Flash is a genius. It is beyond me why should we see GSL as being equal with Kespa. Of course if it happens in the next year or two that Kespa fails to become dominant, then sure, but as it is now, there is really no reason for that. You don't have to buy the Elephant thread but to say that the base idea of it was somehow bad just shows that you're new here. And since that seems to be the case, all I can say is, welcome to TL. This place might not be what you thought it was. I have no problem with the nature of the interpretation that Kespa players are good rather than GSL players are being bad - I'm even inclined to agree with it because BW is definitely the harder game mechanically. In regards to comparing MVP to Flash, I don't think any clearheaded person in the SC2 community actually makes that comparison. From what I've seen, anytime someone tried to throw around the b-word, he'd get shot down pretty quickly. With that said, your point that the Elephant carries a different meaning now as opposed to back when the article was written is noted, but I disagree. Maybe I'm just being overly pedantic, but to me, the meaning hasn't changed: The article was about how bad MC and Nestea were, how average MVP was, and how the SC2 competition has been a farce exactly because of the underwhelming BW achievements of its top players, and the way I see it, the big 3 of SC2 are still those 3 players, so it's still just as insulting. I also want to say that even though SC2 is mechanically less demanding than BW, it's still a different game, and may favor a different skillset, so all these comparisons between different games don't make too much sense to me. I also don't see how my seniority here has anything to do with the validity of my interpretation of the article as bad. Today could be my first day here and I'd still say that the entire basis for the article is shitty, just because SC2 and BW are, again, different games. But that's what I'm trying to point out here, the reason why the article was so negative, is because at the time the level of play really was quite bad. That is why it was thought that Flash could potentially be the best in a month. You have to take the article in its context. Nobody thought the competition was a farce because MC and Nestea were bad in BW. The play was bad and the best players were not playing the game. That is why the competition was a farce. That is why if the article would be written now, it would not be as negative in tone, but the point would be the same. That there are players better than MVP out there and that because the very best are not playing, it is something like world cup hockey without the NHL stars. Your seniority has to do with questioning the (some sort of) moral aspect of the article. The article represents the the mentality of TL quite well. It is almost like asking TL not to be TL. Well, morality is relative in this case. Maybe TL being TL would be morally wrong in certain cases from my perspective. Anyways, you're still saying the same things that I'm rejecting on the basis of the argument that BW and SC2 are different games. Flash is a BW god, but who knows how he'll do in SC2 (though I'd certainly expect him to do amazingly at SC2 due to his work ethic and strategic prowess, you cannot say with 100% certainty that Flash will dominate SC2 like he did BW). You're treating SC2 as if BW success will perfectly correlate with SC2 success, which it hasn't so far. And also, the level of play might have been bad, but that's also due to how SC2 was much younger than it is now, and thus far less figured out. Once people actually figure out all the strategies and just understand the game better, the level of play naturally looks much higher, and that just takes time and experimentation, not only skill.
I am not discussing whether the elephant is true or not here or why the level of play was bad. I am discussing what is the elephant and in what context was it written. The truth value of the elephant remains to be see. That I hope will clarify some of the misunderstandings a lot of people have about it. Of course even if I were to succesfully convince you, there persists a horde that will not listen to reason.
I should add that the elephant article did not deal in absolutes such as 100% certainty and perfect correlation. It is well within its scope to allow some room for error but not too much.
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On August 15 2012 05:09 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 05:02 See.Blue wrote:On August 15 2012 04:50 sAsImre wrote:On August 15 2012 03:44 SeeKeR wrote:On August 15 2012 03:22 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 03:13 ACrow wrote:Thank you very much for the translations, good work as usual ...but why oh why, Seeker, did you post those pictures (the ones with the grey large animals)...that thread was one of the worst and dumbest one ever made on TL... Yeah I kind of wish people would stop perpetuating the dumb elephant shit. I just immensely dislike everything that article represents. I realize a BW vs. SC2 rivalry is inevitable, but the elephant in the room business is way too aggressive in that it just shits all over SC2 players, and it's not a healthy way to represent the rivalry IMO. Should I remove it? I personnaly find the whole elephant story and the people butthurt about it to be rather funny This. The elephant article was probably one of the all-time low points of the TL writing staff, but the butthurt surrounding it is just as silly. Just root for your fav players people (fuck yeah effort!) There wouldn't be any butthurt surrounding it if people didn't keep bringing it up as if it held any weight.
Conversely, people wouldnt keep bringing it up if there wasn't so much butthurt either. Such is life. :p
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I want the Kespa players to keep playing BW....but I also want them to get better at sc2 for more victories like this..:[ gahh.
Anyways, I'm really happy I stayed up to watch these games 
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On August 15 2012 05:02 See.Blue wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 04:50 sAsImre wrote:On August 15 2012 03:44 SeeKeR wrote:On August 15 2012 03:22 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 03:13 ACrow wrote:Thank you very much for the translations, good work as usual ...but why oh why, Seeker, did you post those pictures (the ones with the grey large animals)...that thread was one of the worst and dumbest one ever made on TL... Yeah I kind of wish people would stop perpetuating the dumb elephant shit. I just immensely dislike everything that article represents. I realize a BW vs. SC2 rivalry is inevitable, but the elephant in the room business is way too aggressive in that it just shits all over SC2 players, and it's not a healthy way to represent the rivalry IMO. Should I remove it? I personnaly find the whole elephant story and the people butthurt about it to be rather funny This. The elephant article was probably one of the all-time low points of the TL writing staff, but the butthurt surrounding it is just as silly. Just root for your fav players people (fuck yeah effort!)
There wouldn't be any "butthurt" about it if it weren't for so many BW elitists acting like jackasses and mentioning it every time a BW player happens to win, and then quickly denouncing any BW player as ever being good the moment they lose. But really this shouldn't be the thread to start this in.
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On August 15 2012 00:26 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 00:24 ZeromuS wrote:
Effort played so well.
Muta/Scourge definitely gave him the mechanical edge in that game with ling bling. Next Zerg to play against him definitely needs to learn how to transition to some sort of roach play a little quicker to help make the ling/bling war go shorter.
If you draw that fight out against a BW zerg, it won't go well for you. Effort played so well is understatement of the year, he played one of the best televised ling bane in history of sc2
Oh god -_- Overstatement of the year here
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On August 15 2012 05:14 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 00:26 bgx wrote:On August 15 2012 00:24 ZeromuS wrote:
Effort played so well.
Muta/Scourge definitely gave him the mechanical edge in that game with ling bling. Next Zerg to play against him definitely needs to learn how to transition to some sort of roach play a little quicker to help make the ling/bling war go shorter.
If you draw that fight out against a BW zerg, it won't go well for you. Effort played so well is understatement of the year, he played one of the best televised ling bane in history of sc2 Oh god -_- Overstatement of the year here
Can you name a better ling bane game then? That would be productive!
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On August 15 2012 05:13 elmizzt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 05:09 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 05:02 See.Blue wrote:On August 15 2012 04:50 sAsImre wrote:On August 15 2012 03:44 SeeKeR wrote:On August 15 2012 03:22 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 03:13 ACrow wrote:Thank you very much for the translations, good work as usual ...but why oh why, Seeker, did you post those pictures (the ones with the grey large animals)...that thread was one of the worst and dumbest one ever made on TL... Yeah I kind of wish people would stop perpetuating the dumb elephant shit. I just immensely dislike everything that article represents. I realize a BW vs. SC2 rivalry is inevitable, but the elephant in the room business is way too aggressive in that it just shits all over SC2 players, and it's not a healthy way to represent the rivalry IMO. Should I remove it? I personnaly find the whole elephant story and the people butthurt about it to be rather funny This. The elephant article was probably one of the all-time low points of the TL writing staff, but the butthurt surrounding it is just as silly. Just root for your fav players people (fuck yeah effort!) There wouldn't be any butthurt surrounding it if people didn't keep bringing it up as if it held any weight. Conversely, people wouldnt keep bringing it up if there wasn't so much butthurt either. Such is life. :p
So the primary motivation for bringing it up is to troll and annoy people, right? Rather than being for any semblance of a productive reason >_>
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thanks for the interview ^^
game 3 between effort and drg was so good
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On August 15 2012 05:16 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 05:13 elmizzt wrote:On August 15 2012 05:09 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 05:02 See.Blue wrote:On August 15 2012 04:50 sAsImre wrote:On August 15 2012 03:44 SeeKeR wrote:On August 15 2012 03:22 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 03:13 ACrow wrote:Thank you very much for the translations, good work as usual ...but why oh why, Seeker, did you post those pictures (the ones with the grey large animals)...that thread was one of the worst and dumbest one ever made on TL... Yeah I kind of wish people would stop perpetuating the dumb elephant shit. I just immensely dislike everything that article represents. I realize a BW vs. SC2 rivalry is inevitable, but the elephant in the room business is way too aggressive in that it just shits all over SC2 players, and it's not a healthy way to represent the rivalry IMO. Should I remove it? I personnaly find the whole elephant story and the people butthurt about it to be rather funny This. The elephant article was probably one of the all-time low points of the TL writing staff, but the butthurt surrounding it is just as silly. Just root for your fav players people (fuck yeah effort!) There wouldn't be any butthurt surrounding it if people didn't keep bringing it up as if it held any weight. Conversely, people wouldnt keep bringing it up if there wasn't so much butthurt either. Such is life. :p So the primary motivation for bringing it up is to troll and annoy people, right? Rather than being for any semblance of a productive reason >_>
Dude, you take this stuff way too seriously. Besides, this rivalry between GSL and KESPA players is probably the best thing that happened in Korea for the SC2 scene.
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Thanks for the inteview and translation. EffOrt vs JD fighting!
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On August 15 2012 05:26 Hazuc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 05:16 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 05:13 elmizzt wrote:On August 15 2012 05:09 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 05:02 See.Blue wrote:On August 15 2012 04:50 sAsImre wrote:On August 15 2012 03:44 SeeKeR wrote:On August 15 2012 03:22 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 03:13 ACrow wrote:Thank you very much for the translations, good work as usual ...but why oh why, Seeker, did you post those pictures (the ones with the grey large animals)...that thread was one of the worst and dumbest one ever made on TL... Yeah I kind of wish people would stop perpetuating the dumb elephant shit. I just immensely dislike everything that article represents. I realize a BW vs. SC2 rivalry is inevitable, but the elephant in the room business is way too aggressive in that it just shits all over SC2 players, and it's not a healthy way to represent the rivalry IMO. Should I remove it? I personnaly find the whole elephant story and the people butthurt about it to be rather funny This. The elephant article was probably one of the all-time low points of the TL writing staff, but the butthurt surrounding it is just as silly. Just root for your fav players people (fuck yeah effort!) There wouldn't be any butthurt surrounding it if people didn't keep bringing it up as if it held any weight. Conversely, people wouldnt keep bringing it up if there wasn't so much butthurt either. Such is life. :p So the primary motivation for bringing it up is to troll and annoy people, right? Rather than being for any semblance of a productive reason >_> Dude, you take this stuff way too seriously. Besides, this rivalry between GSL and KESPA players is probably the best thing that happened in Korea for the SC2 scene.
I'm all for a good, healthy rivalry. What I'm not for is a rivalry in which one side just repeatedly brings up how shitty and outclassed the other side is/will be.
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On August 15 2012 05:30 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 05:26 Hazuc wrote:On August 15 2012 05:16 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 05:13 elmizzt wrote:On August 15 2012 05:09 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 05:02 See.Blue wrote:On August 15 2012 04:50 sAsImre wrote:On August 15 2012 03:44 SeeKeR wrote:On August 15 2012 03:22 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 03:13 ACrow wrote:Thank you very much for the translations, good work as usual ...but why oh why, Seeker, did you post those pictures (the ones with the grey large animals)...that thread was one of the worst and dumbest one ever made on TL... Yeah I kind of wish people would stop perpetuating the dumb elephant shit. I just immensely dislike everything that article represents. I realize a BW vs. SC2 rivalry is inevitable, but the elephant in the room business is way too aggressive in that it just shits all over SC2 players, and it's not a healthy way to represent the rivalry IMO. Should I remove it? I personnaly find the whole elephant story and the people butthurt about it to be rather funny This. The elephant article was probably one of the all-time low points of the TL writing staff, but the butthurt surrounding it is just as silly. Just root for your fav players people (fuck yeah effort!) There wouldn't be any butthurt surrounding it if people didn't keep bringing it up as if it held any weight. Conversely, people wouldnt keep bringing it up if there wasn't so much butthurt either. Such is life. :p So the primary motivation for bringing it up is to troll and annoy people, right? Rather than being for any semblance of a productive reason >_> Dude, you take this stuff way too seriously. Besides, this rivalry between GSL and KESPA players is probably the best thing that happened in Korea for the SC2 scene. I'm all for a good, healthy rivalry. What I'm not for is a rivalry in which one side just repeatedly brings up how shitty and outclassed the other side is/will be.
this, and the main thing I'm against is the blatant mod bias that's been happening ever since the elephent thread. Where bans/warning are very liberally handed out for anyone bashing on Bw or defending SC2, while the people bashing SC2 almost never get banned and very rarely even warned. But again sorry for the off topic. Really glad to see JD going through, he's probably the one kespa player I really actually wanna see dominate.
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On August 15 2012 05:34 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 05:30 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 05:26 Hazuc wrote:On August 15 2012 05:16 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 05:13 elmizzt wrote:On August 15 2012 05:09 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 05:02 See.Blue wrote:On August 15 2012 04:50 sAsImre wrote:On August 15 2012 03:44 SeeKeR wrote:On August 15 2012 03:22 HolyArrow wrote:
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Yeah I kind of wish people would stop perpetuating the dumb elephant shit. I just immensely dislike everything that article represents. I realize a BW vs. SC2 rivalry is inevitable, but the elephant in the room business is way too aggressive in that it just shits all over SC2 players, and it's not a healthy way to represent the rivalry IMO. Should I remove it? I personnaly find the whole elephant story and the people butthurt about it to be rather funny This. The elephant article was probably one of the all-time low points of the TL writing staff, but the butthurt surrounding it is just as silly. Just root for your fav players people (fuck yeah effort!) There wouldn't be any butthurt surrounding it if people didn't keep bringing it up as if it held any weight. Conversely, people wouldnt keep bringing it up if there wasn't so much butthurt either. Such is life. :p So the primary motivation for bringing it up is to troll and annoy people, right? Rather than being for any semblance of a productive reason >_> Dude, you take this stuff way too seriously. Besides, this rivalry between GSL and KESPA players is probably the best thing that happened in Korea for the SC2 scene. I'm all for a good, healthy rivalry. What I'm not for is a rivalry in which one side just repeatedly brings up how shitty and outclassed the other side is/will be. this, and the main thing I'm against is the blatant mod bias that's been happening ever since the elephent thread. Where bans/warning are very liberally handed out for anyone bashing on Bw or defending SC2, while the people bashing SC2 almost never get banned and very rarely even warned. But again sorry for the off topic. Really glad to see JD going through, he's probably the one kespa player I really actually wanna see dominate.
mods here came from sc1. obviously shouldn't be biased at all but think about how they feel towards bw bashing especially.
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On August 15 2012 05:40 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 05:34 hunts wrote:On August 15 2012 05:30 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 05:26 Hazuc wrote:On August 15 2012 05:16 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 05:13 elmizzt wrote:On August 15 2012 05:09 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 05:02 See.Blue wrote:On August 15 2012 04:50 sAsImre wrote:On August 15 2012 03:44 SeeKeR wrote:
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Should I remove it? I personnaly find the whole elephant story and the people butthurt about it to be rather funny This. The elephant article was probably one of the all-time low points of the TL writing staff, but the butthurt surrounding it is just as silly. Just root for your fav players people (fuck yeah effort!) There wouldn't be any butthurt surrounding it if people didn't keep bringing it up as if it held any weight. Conversely, people wouldnt keep bringing it up if there wasn't so much butthurt either. Such is life. :p So the primary motivation for bringing it up is to troll and annoy people, right? Rather than being for any semblance of a productive reason >_> Dude, you take this stuff way too seriously. Besides, this rivalry between GSL and KESPA players is probably the best thing that happened in Korea for the SC2 scene. I'm all for a good, healthy rivalry. What I'm not for is a rivalry in which one side just repeatedly brings up how shitty and outclassed the other side is/will be. this, and the main thing I'm against is the blatant mod bias that's been happening ever since the elephent thread. Where bans/warning are very liberally handed out for anyone bashing on Bw or defending SC2, while the people bashing SC2 almost never get banned and very rarely even warned. But again sorry for the off topic. Really glad to see JD going through, he's probably the one kespa player I really actually wanna see dominate. mods here came from sc1. obviously shouldn't be biased at all but think about how they feel towards bw bashing especially.
I understand how they feel, and I agree BW should be given the respect it deserves. Even though I didn't even know there was such a thing as esports or pro gaming till SC2 beta, I've played SC1 since before BW, I remember being in middle school and saving up allowance money to buy BW the day it came out, it was a great game and a part of many peoples childhoods. But it's still very unprofessional of the mods to have the blatant bias that they do, and I really hope it's something that gets fixed.
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On August 15 2012 05:30 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 05:26 Hazuc wrote:On August 15 2012 05:16 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 05:13 elmizzt wrote:On August 15 2012 05:09 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 05:02 See.Blue wrote:On August 15 2012 04:50 sAsImre wrote:On August 15 2012 03:44 SeeKeR wrote:On August 15 2012 03:22 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 03:13 ACrow wrote:Thank you very much for the translations, good work as usual ...but why oh why, Seeker, did you post those pictures (the ones with the grey large animals)...that thread was one of the worst and dumbest one ever made on TL... Yeah I kind of wish people would stop perpetuating the dumb elephant shit. I just immensely dislike everything that article represents. I realize a BW vs. SC2 rivalry is inevitable, but the elephant in the room business is way too aggressive in that it just shits all over SC2 players, and it's not a healthy way to represent the rivalry IMO. Should I remove it? I personnaly find the whole elephant story and the people butthurt about it to be rather funny This. The elephant article was probably one of the all-time low points of the TL writing staff, but the butthurt surrounding it is just as silly. Just root for your fav players people (fuck yeah effort!) There wouldn't be any butthurt surrounding it if people didn't keep bringing it up as if it held any weight. Conversely, people wouldnt keep bringing it up if there wasn't so much butthurt either. Such is life. :p So the primary motivation for bringing it up is to troll and annoy people, right? Rather than being for any semblance of a productive reason >_> Dude, you take this stuff way too seriously. Besides, this rivalry between GSL and KESPA players is probably the best thing that happened in Korea for the SC2 scene. I'm all for a good, healthy rivalry. What I'm not for is a rivalry in which one side just repeatedly brings up how shitty and outclassed the other side is/will be.
What is a healthy rivalry? It seems to me there are legitimate reasons for people to believe that GSL will be outclassed. Whether they will be or will not be remains to be seen. The point is, as I said, there are reasons to believe so, and I see nothing unhealthy about it. You may not like it but that does not mean it is unhealthy. In fact I still don't know what it means for rivalry to be unhealthy.
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On August 15 2012 05:30 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 05:26 Hazuc wrote:On August 15 2012 05:16 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 05:13 elmizzt wrote:On August 15 2012 05:09 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 05:02 See.Blue wrote:On August 15 2012 04:50 sAsImre wrote:On August 15 2012 03:44 SeeKeR wrote:On August 15 2012 03:22 HolyArrow wrote:On August 15 2012 03:13 ACrow wrote:Thank you very much for the translations, good work as usual ...but why oh why, Seeker, did you post those pictures (the ones with the grey large animals)...that thread was one of the worst and dumbest one ever made on TL... Yeah I kind of wish people would stop perpetuating the dumb elephant shit. I just immensely dislike everything that article represents. I realize a BW vs. SC2 rivalry is inevitable, but the elephant in the room business is way too aggressive in that it just shits all over SC2 players, and it's not a healthy way to represent the rivalry IMO. Should I remove it? I personnaly find the whole elephant story and the people butthurt about it to be rather funny This. The elephant article was probably one of the all-time low points of the TL writing staff, but the butthurt surrounding it is just as silly. Just root for your fav players people (fuck yeah effort!) There wouldn't be any butthurt surrounding it if people didn't keep bringing it up as if it held any weight. Conversely, people wouldnt keep bringing it up if there wasn't so much butthurt either. Such is life. :p So the primary motivation for bringing it up is to troll and annoy people, right? Rather than being for any semblance of a productive reason >_> Dude, you take this stuff way too seriously. Besides, this rivalry between GSL and KESPA players is probably the best thing that happened in Korea for the SC2 scene. I'm all for a good, healthy rivalry. What I'm not for is a rivalry in which one side just repeatedly brings up how shitty and outclassed the other side is/will be.
I think Elephant represents well the twisted community we have here. Its transitional period, if you want to avoid elephant whether it is icon or animal simply don't talk/think about it. It will be all gone sooner or later. When people see Jaedong for a hundreth time they will familarize with him. So with other Kespa players, and soon "them" will be "ours" (for sc2 people).
Ah, and Kespa and GSL is not "healthy rivalry" if you think so dont fool yourself. There is not only EGO on the line (which kinda can be represented with Elephant). Basically what i want to say, depending on how well Kespa players transition there may be drastic changes to how SC2 will look in 1-2 years. Including retirements, team disbanding, tournament changes, koreans exsposure to west etc etc.
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On August 15 2012 05:50 bgx wrote:
I think Elephant represents well the twisted community we have here. Its transitional period, if you want to avoid elephant whether it is icon or animal simply don't talk/think about it. It will be all gone sooner or later. When people see Jaedong for a hundreth time they will familarize with him. So with other Kespa players, and soon "them" will be "ours" (for sc2 people).
But elephant puns are so much fun! :o
I honestly enjoy this rivalry a lot, it adds a lot of spice to these recent Korean tournaments. And the KeSPA players are only going to improve in the next 3-6 months.
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