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On August 03 2012 09:27 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 08:25 Comogury wrote:On August 03 2012 08:07 ragz_gt wrote:On August 03 2012 07:14 Comogury wrote:On August 03 2012 05:36 Roman666 wrote:On August 03 2012 05:30 Comogury wrote:On August 02 2012 20:38 Zheryn wrote:On August 02 2012 20:27 Comogury wrote:On August 02 2012 20:26 Zheryn wrote:On August 02 2012 20:23 Comogury wrote:
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lol esports isn't made of money. people are lucky if they even get $100 compensation a month from teams. players on most teams don't even get paid regularly. I don't think you understand what it means to be a progamer. and i think you're delusional How do you expect progamers to be able to play fulltime if they didn't get a salary enough to pay their bills and food etc? Do you realize how much progamers actually have to pay to live? It's probably not much. I guarantee you that 30% of them live with their parents/other family. another 65% live with roommates/in a team house, and 5% in other circumstances. It's like being in university with financial aid. You live comfortably while someone else pays for everything you need to become a progamer while getting some money on the side. Of course there is extra money, but don't think it's a huge sum tallying in the $100k's. No single sponsor or collective group of sponsors is stupid enough to throw that much money at one player at this point in the game. To believe that the highest paid players make any more than $20k-25k is just wishful thinking because it's probably not happening. I don't think you realize how much KeSPA players make. I wasn't talking about SC1. I know how much the stars of SC1 make, and it's stupid to compare their salaries when they are literally in the same league as premier sports associations on every level except the amount of money. The SC2 competitive scene is so far behind what SC1 was in Korea that it's not even funny. The game is young and the most prestigious SC1 events haven't completely switched over yet. Even the organization of the SC1 pro teams is much different and seemingly more sophisticated than any of the current SC2 ones. To think that anyone would throw around hundreds of thousands of dollars on one player during the infancy that is SC2 should really get a reality check. Even LoL, a game that is, at the moment, much more popular than SC2 do not have the big salaries that SC1 players have. On August 03 2012 06:53 sekritzzz wrote:I'm amazed at how people can make such bold statements and with so much confidence yet at the same time bring in some random meaningless statistic, false information and just a general lack of understanding of how the industry works (or business in general). To think that Naniwa, Stephano, Idra or (huk in his prime), make 20-25k a year is wishful thinking on your part. To blow your entire arguement out of the water http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=201086Tester/FD were getting 31k almost a year ago with a Korean team which are mostly cash-strapped. So what conclusion can u draw from teams like EG? its seriously a no-brainer. IIRC wasn't there a shitstorm because neither of them were getting paid? Hm... They got paid, TSL coach was cleared on that, and ST coach issued (as head of association) issued an apology, even though FD/Tester ended up on ST somehow. So they got paid for 2 or 3 months worth of play only after they had not been getting anything for the past 2 or 3 months. From what I understand, there wasn't any contractual obligation for management to pay their players, or any contractual obligation for the players to stay on the team. The fact that they weren't getting paid at all until it was made public means something was up, and that they probably weren't going to get the tens of millions of won that was "promised" to them. Now neither player is active in SC2 and they can't have gotten all that money because they were only on TSL for 3 months after it was announced that they even had a salary. Who knows? Maybe they would have gotten the money, but for some reason I really doubt it. Unless someone who doles out the "close to 6 figures" comes out and says exactly how much said player is being paid, it will always remain a mystery. However, I feel as though people like to make it seem like being a well-known pro SC2 player makes the average household income in the US, which I believe is completely false. In reality, it may even be 1/3rd or maybe even a 1/4th of that amount for some of your favorite players. However, that is not factoring in prize money because obviously they make more if they win more. Your entire argument is based on your assumptions and beliefs that some things just can't be possible. I'm not even sure what you're trying to say about TSL. "So they got paid for 2 or 3 months worth of play only after they had not been getting anything for the past 2 or 3 months." "they were only on TSL for 3 months after it was announced that they even had a salary" -> So you're saying they got paid in full?
I actually don't know how much they got paid. No one does except the people who handled the money. Maybe they got paid the ~$8k they were owed for the 3 months, maybe they didn't. It doesn't matter. However, I wasn't implying that they got their full amount for only meeting 1/4th of the required time, that is just plain dumb. Why would it be any different than a contract for other sports? If you exit a contract early, do you really expect to get paid for the amount of years left on your contract? Unless you're injured or other unforeseen circumstances occur, you will not get paid.
It's not a baseless assumption that there can't be as much money in SC2 as many people like to believe. With no real numbers or any hints at real numbers, it's easy to think that many players are well off. However, it also has the opposite effect. Maybe they don't want people to know that their best player is only getting paid ~$2k a month by the team. Of course they make much more money if they win, or they can get money from streaming. Maybe players do make $100k a year if you factor those things in. However, $100k from just being on the team? I highly doubt it, especially if the player doesn't get to the semi finals in every tournament he or she goes to. Maybe MVP, MC, and MKP make that much, but no one else will even come close to that amount as long as SC2 stays the way it is - without a centralized league where most of the crowd gathers and big, non industry sponsors are willing to play.
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On August 03 2012 10:34 Comogury wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 09:27 Sein wrote:On August 03 2012 08:25 Comogury wrote:On August 03 2012 08:07 ragz_gt wrote:On August 03 2012 07:14 Comogury wrote:On August 03 2012 05:36 Roman666 wrote:On August 03 2012 05:30 Comogury wrote:On August 02 2012 20:38 Zheryn wrote:On August 02 2012 20:27 Comogury wrote:On August 02 2012 20:26 Zheryn wrote:
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I don't think you understand what it means to be a progamer. and i think you're delusional How do you expect progamers to be able to play fulltime if they didn't get a salary enough to pay their bills and food etc? Do you realize how much progamers actually have to pay to live? It's probably not much. I guarantee you that 30% of them live with their parents/other family. another 65% live with roommates/in a team house, and 5% in other circumstances. It's like being in university with financial aid. You live comfortably while someone else pays for everything you need to become a progamer while getting some money on the side. Of course there is extra money, but don't think it's a huge sum tallying in the $100k's. No single sponsor or collective group of sponsors is stupid enough to throw that much money at one player at this point in the game. To believe that the highest paid players make any more than $20k-25k is just wishful thinking because it's probably not happening. I don't think you realize how much KeSPA players make. I wasn't talking about SC1. I know how much the stars of SC1 make, and it's stupid to compare their salaries when they are literally in the same league as premier sports associations on every level except the amount of money. The SC2 competitive scene is so far behind what SC1 was in Korea that it's not even funny. The game is young and the most prestigious SC1 events haven't completely switched over yet. Even the organization of the SC1 pro teams is much different and seemingly more sophisticated than any of the current SC2 ones. To think that anyone would throw around hundreds of thousands of dollars on one player during the infancy that is SC2 should really get a reality check. Even LoL, a game that is, at the moment, much more popular than SC2 do not have the big salaries that SC1 players have. On August 03 2012 06:53 sekritzzz wrote:I'm amazed at how people can make such bold statements and with so much confidence yet at the same time bring in some random meaningless statistic, false information and just a general lack of understanding of how the industry works (or business in general). To think that Naniwa, Stephano, Idra or (huk in his prime), make 20-25k a year is wishful thinking on your part. To blow your entire arguement out of the water http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=201086Tester/FD were getting 31k almost a year ago with a Korean team which are mostly cash-strapped. So what conclusion can u draw from teams like EG? its seriously a no-brainer. IIRC wasn't there a shitstorm because neither of them were getting paid? Hm... They got paid, TSL coach was cleared on that, and ST coach issued (as head of association) issued an apology, even though FD/Tester ended up on ST somehow. So they got paid for 2 or 3 months worth of play only after they had not been getting anything for the past 2 or 3 months. From what I understand, there wasn't any contractual obligation for management to pay their players, or any contractual obligation for the players to stay on the team. The fact that they weren't getting paid at all until it was made public means something was up, and that they probably weren't going to get the tens of millions of won that was "promised" to them. Now neither player is active in SC2 and they can't have gotten all that money because they were only on TSL for 3 months after it was announced that they even had a salary. Who knows? Maybe they would have gotten the money, but for some reason I really doubt it. Unless someone who doles out the "close to 6 figures" comes out and says exactly how much said player is being paid, it will always remain a mystery. However, I feel as though people like to make it seem like being a well-known pro SC2 player makes the average household income in the US, which I believe is completely false. In reality, it may even be 1/3rd or maybe even a 1/4th of that amount for some of your favorite players. However, that is not factoring in prize money because obviously they make more if they win more. Your entire argument is based on your assumptions and beliefs that some things just can't be possible. I'm not even sure what you're trying to say about TSL. "So they got paid for 2 or 3 months worth of play only after they had not been getting anything for the past 2 or 3 months." "they were only on TSL for 3 months after it was announced that they even had a salary" -> So you're saying they got paid in full? I actually don't know how much they got paid. No one does except the people who handled the money. Maybe they got paid the ~$8k they were owed for the 3 months, maybe they didn't. It doesn't matter. However, I wasn't implying that they got their full amount for only meeting 1/4th of the required time, that is just plain dumb. Why would it be any different than a contract for other sports? If you exit a contract early, do you really expect to get paid for the amount of years left on your contract? Unless you're injured or other unforeseen circumstances occur, you will not get paid. It's not a baseless assumption that there can't be as much money in SC2 as many people like to believe. With no real numbers or any hints at real numbers, it's easy to think that many players are well off. However, it also has the opposite effect. Maybe they don't want people to know that their best player is only getting paid ~$2k a month by the team. Of course they make much more money if they win, or they can get money from streaming. Maybe players do make $100k a year if you factor those things in. However, $100k from just being on the team? I highly doubt it, especially if the player doesn't get to the semi finals in every tournament he or she goes to. Maybe MVP, MC, and MKP make that much, but no one else will even come close to that amount as long as SC2 stays the way it is - without a centralized league where most of the crowd gathers and big, non industry sponsors are willing to play.
You are entirely correct, there is always a tip of the iceberg that earns big numbers, whereas other get scraps compared to that. I made the point about KeSPA players, because in your post you referred to "highest paid players" and progamers, not SC2 progamers only. Anyway I see your point now and in context of SC2, agree with it completely.
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http://www.gamespot.com/news/starcraft-ii-pro-player-naniwa-leaves-quantic-6389638
Naniwa
"Despite people’s popular belief, I have no ill feelings towards Quantic, nor do they have any ill feelings towards me," NaNiwa told GameSpot. "Usually when people say these words, they don’t mean it, but I believe I’m known as a guy who’s 'no bulls***.' I’m very grateful for the time I had in Quantic, but I felt that I wanted to value my own happiness above not doing anything about it, so I decided to try my luck in other places. Quantic kept everything they promised me and me to them. I sincerely wish them the best!"
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Startale of corse!
Wait what?
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On August 03 2012 14:30 Eventine wrote:http://www.gamespot.com/news/starcraft-ii-pro-player-naniwa-leaves-quantic-6389638Naniwa"Despite people’s popular belief, I have no ill feelings towards Quantic, nor do they have any ill feelings towards me," NaNiwa told GameSpot. "Usually when people say these words, they don’t mean it, but I believe I’m known as a guy who’s 'no bulls***.' I’m very grateful for the time I had in Quantic, but I felt that I wanted to value my own happiness above not doing anything about it, so I decided to try my luck in other places. Quantic kept everything they promised me and me to them. I sincerely wish them the best!"
And yet in the real talk episode he says some promises were not kept
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On August 03 2012 17:36 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 14:30 Eventine wrote:http://www.gamespot.com/news/starcraft-ii-pro-player-naniwa-leaves-quantic-6389638Naniwa"Despite people’s popular belief, I have no ill feelings towards Quantic, nor do they have any ill feelings towards me," NaNiwa told GameSpot. "Usually when people say these words, they don’t mean it, but I believe I’m known as a guy who’s 'no bulls***.' I’m very grateful for the time I had in Quantic, but I felt that I wanted to value my own happiness above not doing anything about it, so I decided to try my luck in other places. Quantic kept everything they promised me and me to them. I sincerely wish them the best!" And yet in the real talk episode he says some promises were not kept
He said that during the merge of quantic and vile, he agreed with quantic on new terms, which vile rejected.
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Here's the kicker though. Naniwa can almost ask for whatever (reasonable) salary he wants. Not since the early days of Starcraft has a foreigner accomplished what he has accomplished. (Jinro Fighting!) He has shown repeadtedly that he has the dedication and perservance to hang with the top players of starcraft. Can anyone remember the last time Idra placed notably in a tournament? Me either. There are teams out there who are all about publicity and pushing sponsors, and that's fine. But a team that cares about results and player growth and is looking to pick up some "Foreigner Fighting" love, should be very much interested in Naniwa.
Also, EG just buys the top players and then they stop putting up results. Why?
(Except Jwong. That man is the real deal.)
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On August 03 2012 18:38 BanditX wrote:
Here's the kicker though. Naniwa can almost ask for whatever (reasonable) salary he wants. Not since the early days of Starcraft has a foreigner accomplished what he has accomplished. (Jinro Fighting!) He has shown repeadtedly that he has the dedication and perservance to hang with the top players of starcraft. Can anyone remember the last time Idra placed notably in a tournament? Me either. There are teams out there who are all about publicity and pushing sponsors, and that's fine. But a team that cares about results and player growth and is looking to pick up some "Foreigner Fighting" love, should be very much interested in Naniwa.
Also, EG just buys the top players and then they stop putting up results. Why?
(Except Jwong. That man is the real deal.)
Because they travel to much back and forth from Korea to EU/NA.
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On August 03 2012 18:38 BanditX wrote:
Here's the kicker though. Naniwa can almost ask for whatever (reasonable) salary he wants. Not since the early days of Starcraft has a foreigner accomplished what he has accomplished. (Jinro Fighting!) He has shown repeadtedly that he has the dedication and perservance to hang with the top players of starcraft. Can anyone remember the last time Idra placed notably in a tournament? Me either. There are teams out there who are all about publicity and pushing sponsors, and that's fine. But a team that cares about results and player growth and is looking to pick up some "Foreigner Fighting" love, should be very much interested in Naniwa.
Also, EG just buys the top players and then they stop putting up results. Why?
(Except Jwong. That man is the real deal.)
Is this a joke or a troll? Clearly he can't ask "whatever reasonable salary he wants" when most major teams aren't even interested in him
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I didnt have the time to follow this thread closely but does he stay with the starttale guys or moves back to the gomhouse?
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On August 03 2012 18:38 BanditX wrote:
Here's the kicker though. Naniwa can almost ask for whatever (reasonable) salary he wants. Not since the early days of Starcraft has a foreigner accomplished what he has accomplished. (Jinro Fighting!) He has shown repeadtedly that he has the dedication and perservance to hang with the top players of starcraft. Can anyone remember the last time Idra placed notably in a tournament? Me either. There are teams out there who are all about publicity and pushing sponsors, and that's fine. But a team that cares about results and player growth and is looking to pick up some "Foreigner Fighting" love, should be very much interested in Naniwa.
Also, EG just buys the top players and then they stop putting up results. Why?
(Except Jwong. That man is the real deal.)
He won't have trouble finding a team that wants him (although salary could be the issue with some). If teams were willing to pick him up after the EPS controversy when his WC3 past was still rather fresh and he was just an up and coming European with a high ladder rank but no real tournament results, they're definitely not going to look away now that he's an established GSL player with notable wins under his belt and even has a much better image overall, is a lot more popular, has more fans, etc.
I just hope that the team he does choose is the right one for him.
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sc2 should turn to a money game like poker
people just bet money and winner wins it all !
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Telling from the interview, Naniwa is in no rush getting into a new team. He wants to be sure his next team is somewhere where he can feel at home for the long term, and he said he's willing to wait for as long as financially possible for that to happen. If it takes too long, he said he'll have to take one of the other offers but as I understood it, his aim is to land somewhere as stable and long term as possible.
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please let it be dignitas.. somehow nani and dignitas are meant to be together :D
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On August 03 2012 19:06 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
please let it be dignitas.. somehow nani and dignitas are meant to be together :D
Didn't Newman say before that Nani isn't someone they want back into the team since he's such a pita to deal with?
Almost 100% sure he said that on TheGDShow.
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On August 03 2012 09:01 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 08:36 whatevername wrote:
Its been well established that Huk etc are being paid "life changing money". Unless you imagine 25k is life changing, its a fair bet its at least 100k if not more. And yes, that is totally to be expected--- given sc2's fan base is larger than BW and the top earners in BW easily made that much. Not to say the majority of progamers make good money on salary [some do based on streaming ofc, catz once remarked he could make about 6k a month if he streamed a lot], most make a pittance. Sc2 has a 'bigger fanbase' maybe. but besides a select few, big name sponsors haven't really signed on. The Kespa teams were directly funded by big name companies in Korea. Sc2 sponsors are not near that level YET.
LG and Red Bull are in on the game. To what level, we don't know, but thats a lot of POTENTIAL money in SC2. LG in particular compare even more favourably than Samsung (Biggest BW sponsor I can name from memory, not being a BW aficionado) as a sponsor, as they're the worlds largest mnufacturer of electronics, period.
And Red Bull own not one, but TWO entire F1 teams.
The big money is in SC2 already. We just don't know how liberally they're sharing it around.
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On August 04 2012 00:17 GuitarBizarre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 09:01 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On August 03 2012 08:36 whatevername wrote:
Its been well established that Huk etc are being paid "life changing money". Unless you imagine 25k is life changing, its a fair bet its at least 100k if not more. And yes, that is totally to be expected--- given sc2's fan base is larger than BW and the top earners in BW easily made that much. Not to say the majority of progamers make good money on salary [some do based on streaming ofc, catz once remarked he could make about 6k a month if he streamed a lot], most make a pittance. Sc2 has a 'bigger fanbase' maybe. but besides a select few, big name sponsors haven't really signed on. The Kespa teams were directly funded by big name companies in Korea. Sc2 sponsors are not near that level YET. LG and Red Bull are in on the game. To what level, we don't know, but thats a lot of POTENTIAL money in SC2. LG in particular compare even more favourably than Samsung (Biggest BW sponsor I can name from memory, not being a BW aficionado) as a sponsor, as they're the worlds largest mnufacturer of electronics, period. And Red Bull own not one, but TWO entire F1 teams. The big money is in SC2 already. We just don't know how liberally they're sharing it around.
It doesn't matter how much they give short term, but how much they commit for the long term.
Sponsors are fickle, unreliable and can pull sponsorships or not sign a new contract based on their current interests. Korean corporations are committed to Kespa and their teams for the long term - It's their teams, bearing their name, representing their company image (directly).
So LG may compare more favorably than Samsung as a company, but until IM becomes an LG owned and operated team, it certainly does not compare favorably to Samsung Khan's situation in terms of stability. Likewise for Startale and RB. And apart from Startale and IM, no other team is even close to the status and legitimacy Kespa teams have.
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On August 04 2012 00:42 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 00:17 GuitarBizarre wrote:On August 03 2012 09:01 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On August 03 2012 08:36 whatevername wrote:
Its been well established that Huk etc are being paid "life changing money". Unless you imagine 25k is life changing, its a fair bet its at least 100k if not more. And yes, that is totally to be expected--- given sc2's fan base is larger than BW and the top earners in BW easily made that much. Not to say the majority of progamers make good money on salary [some do based on streaming ofc, catz once remarked he could make about 6k a month if he streamed a lot], most make a pittance. Sc2 has a 'bigger fanbase' maybe. but besides a select few, big name sponsors haven't really signed on. The Kespa teams were directly funded by big name companies in Korea. Sc2 sponsors are not near that level YET. LG and Red Bull are in on the game. To what level, we don't know, but thats a lot of POTENTIAL money in SC2. LG in particular compare even more favourably than Samsung (Biggest BW sponsor I can name from memory, not being a BW aficionado) as a sponsor, as they're the worlds largest mnufacturer of electronics, period. And Red Bull own not one, but TWO entire F1 teams. The big money is in SC2 already. We just don't know how liberally they're sharing it around. It doesn't matter how much they give short term, but how much they commit for the long term. Sponsors are fickle, unreliable and can pull sponsorships or not sign a new contract based on their current interests. Korean corporations are committed to Kespa and their teams for the long term - It's their teams, bearing their name, representing their company image (directly). So LG may compare more favorably than Samsung as a company, but until IM becomes an LG owned and operated team, it certainly does not compare favorably to Samsung Khan's situation in terms of stability. Likewise for Startale and RB. And apart from Startale and IM, no other team is even close to the status and legitimacy Kespa teams have.
You do realize that IM stands a much better chance at surviving as a team as they are than being owned by a corporation, right? Or have you forgotten what happened to WeMadeFOX, MBCGames or Hwasung?
SC2 will never have any serious cash flow unless it gets more exposures to bigger markets. The first thing it needs to do is shake off the image that it's only a game, not an actual sport. Then, it needs to find a way to get on the TV (other than in Korea).
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On August 04 2012 01:02 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 00:42 Talin wrote:On August 04 2012 00:17 GuitarBizarre wrote:On August 03 2012 09:01 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On August 03 2012 08:36 whatevername wrote:
Its been well established that Huk etc are being paid "life changing money". Unless you imagine 25k is life changing, its a fair bet its at least 100k if not more. And yes, that is totally to be expected--- given sc2's fan base is larger than BW and the top earners in BW easily made that much. Not to say the majority of progamers make good money on salary [some do based on streaming ofc, catz once remarked he could make about 6k a month if he streamed a lot], most make a pittance. Sc2 has a 'bigger fanbase' maybe. but besides a select few, big name sponsors haven't really signed on. The Kespa teams were directly funded by big name companies in Korea. Sc2 sponsors are not near that level YET. LG and Red Bull are in on the game. To what level, we don't know, but thats a lot of POTENTIAL money in SC2. LG in particular compare even more favourably than Samsung (Biggest BW sponsor I can name from memory, not being a BW aficionado) as a sponsor, as they're the worlds largest mnufacturer of electronics, period. And Red Bull own not one, but TWO entire F1 teams. The big money is in SC2 already. We just don't know how liberally they're sharing it around. It doesn't matter how much they give short term, but how much they commit for the long term. Sponsors are fickle, unreliable and can pull sponsorships or not sign a new contract based on their current interests. Korean corporations are committed to Kespa and their teams for the long term - It's their teams, bearing their name, representing their company image (directly). So LG may compare more favorably than Samsung as a company, but until IM becomes an LG owned and operated team, it certainly does not compare favorably to Samsung Khan's situation in terms of stability. Likewise for Startale and RB. And apart from Startale and IM, no other team is even close to the status and legitimacy Kespa teams have. You do realize that IM stands a much better chance at surviving as a team as they are than being owned by a corporation, right? Or have you forgotten what happened to WeMadeFOX, MBCGames or Hwasung? SC2 will never have any serious cash flow unless it gets more exposures to bigger markets. The first thing it needs to do is shake off the image that it's only a game, not an actual sport. Then, it needs to find a way to get on the TV (other than in Korea).
In fairness, SVT (Swedish national television) has broadcasted Dreamhack on national TV once, and streamed it on their website multiple times. I do agree with you, though, SCII needs more exposure if it is to grow into a legit sport.
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On August 04 2012 01:02 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 00:42 Talin wrote:On August 04 2012 00:17 GuitarBizarre wrote:On August 03 2012 09:01 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On August 03 2012 08:36 whatevername wrote:
Its been well established that Huk etc are being paid "life changing money". Unless you imagine 25k is life changing, its a fair bet its at least 100k if not more. And yes, that is totally to be expected--- given sc2's fan base is larger than BW and the top earners in BW easily made that much. Not to say the majority of progamers make good money on salary [some do based on streaming ofc, catz once remarked he could make about 6k a month if he streamed a lot], most make a pittance. Sc2 has a 'bigger fanbase' maybe. but besides a select few, big name sponsors haven't really signed on. The Kespa teams were directly funded by big name companies in Korea. Sc2 sponsors are not near that level YET. LG and Red Bull are in on the game. To what level, we don't know, but thats a lot of POTENTIAL money in SC2. LG in particular compare even more favourably than Samsung (Biggest BW sponsor I can name from memory, not being a BW aficionado) as a sponsor, as they're the worlds largest mnufacturer of electronics, period. And Red Bull own not one, but TWO entire F1 teams. The big money is in SC2 already. We just don't know how liberally they're sharing it around. It doesn't matter how much they give short term, but how much they commit for the long term. Sponsors are fickle, unreliable and can pull sponsorships or not sign a new contract based on their current interests. Korean corporations are committed to Kespa and their teams for the long term - It's their teams, bearing their name, representing their company image (directly). So LG may compare more favorably than Samsung as a company, but until IM becomes an LG owned and operated team, it certainly does not compare favorably to Samsung Khan's situation in terms of stability. Likewise for Startale and RB. And apart from Startale and IM, no other team is even close to the status and legitimacy Kespa teams have. You do realize that IM stands a much better chance at surviving as a team as they are than being owned by a corporation, right? Or have you forgotten what happened to WeMadeFOX, MBCGames or Hwasung?
WeMade is a software/game developer as far as I know, MBC is just a broadcaster, and I have no idea what Hwaseung is/was but the most "powerful" teams in general are still very much alive and active. And that's after nearly a decade of paying rather high salaries to Starcraft players (plus they also have active teams in SF and some other games).
So yeah, I'd say being owned by a corporation is probably a better position to be in than relying on sponsorship hunting.
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