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On August 03 2012 05:30 Comogury wrote:

Do you realize how much progamers actually have to pay to live? It's probably not much. I guarantee you that 30% of them live with their parents/other family. another 65% live with roommates/in a team house, and 5% in other circumstances. It's like being in university with financial aid. You live comfortably while someone else pays for everything you need to become a progamer while getting some money on the side.

Of course there is extra money, but don't think it's a huge sum tallying in the $100k's. No single sponsor or collective group of sponsors is stupid enough to throw that much money at one player at this point in the game. To believe that the highest paid players make any more than $20k-25k is just wishful thinking because it's probably not happening.

On August 03 2012 05:52 ragz_gt wrote:
Flash was rumored to be paid 300k USD a year before prize money... but don't know how true that is, and that kind of thing can't be that common right? Sorta like MLB, someone make 20mil but mostly make under 1mil (not that I wouldn't give my left nut for 1mil salary).

On August 03 2012 05:30 Comogury wrote:

Do you realize how much progamers actually have to pay to live? It's probably not much. I guarantee you that 30% of them live with their parents/other family. another 65% live with roommates/in a team house, and 5% in other circumstances. It's like being in university with financial aid. You live comfortably while someone else pays for everything you need to become a progamer while getting some money on the side.

Of course there is extra money, but don't think it's a huge sum tallying in the $100k's. No single sponsor or collective group of sponsors is stupid enough to throw that much money at one player at this point in the game. To believe that the highest paid players make any more than $20k-25k is just wishful thinking because it's probably not happening.

On August 03 2012 06:53 sekritzzz wrote:



I'm amazed at how people can make such bold statements and with so much confidence yet at the same time bring in some random meaningless statistic, false information and just a general lack of understanding of how the industry works (or business in general).


To think that Naniwa, Stephano, Idra or (huk in his prime), make 20-25 a year is wishful thinking on your part. Oh and to blow your entire arguement out of the water http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=201086

Tester/FD were getting 31k almost a year ago with a Korean team which are mostly cash-strapped. So what conclusion can u draw from teams like EG? its seriously a no-brainer.

On August 03 2012 05:36 Roman666 wrote:

I don't think you realize how much KeSPA players make.

On August 03 2012 06:53 sekritzzz wrote:
I'm amazed at how people can make such bold statements and with so much confidence yet at the same time bring in some random meaningless statistic, false information and just a general lack of understanding of how the industry works (or business in general).


To think that Naniwa, Stephano, Idra or (huk in his prime), make 20-25k a year is wishful thinking on your part. To blow your entire arguement out of the water http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=201086

Tester/FD were getting 31k almost a year ago with a Korean team which are mostly cash-strapped. So what conclusion can u draw from teams like EG? its seriously a no-brainer.

On August 03 2012 07:14 Comogury wrote:

I wasn't talking about SC1. I know how much the stars of SC1 make, and it's stupid to compare their salaries when they are literally in the same league as premier sports associations on every level except the amount of money. The SC2 competitive scene is so far behind what SC1 was in Korea that it's not even funny. The game is young and the most prestigious SC1 events haven't completely switched over yet. Even the organization of the SC1 pro teams is much different and seemingly more sophisticated than any of the current SC2 ones. To think that anyone would throw around hundreds of thousands of dollars on one player during the infancy that is SC2 should really get a reality check. Even LoL, a game that is, at the moment, much more popular than SC2 do not have the big salaries that SC1 players have.



IIRC wasn't there a shitstorm because neither of them were getting paid? Hm...

On August 03 2012 08:07 ragz_gt wrote:


They got paid, TSL coach was cleared on that, and ST coach issued (as head of association) issued an apology, even though FD/Tester ended up on ST somehow.

On August 03 2012 06:59 Blazinghand wrote:


Are we including prize money? Or is this just salaries? Because in terms of prize money, the top earners (MC, Mvp, NesTea) all make 100k+ a year, right?

On August 03 2012 05:36 Roman666 wrote:

I don't think you realize how much KeSPA players make.

On August 03 2012 06:26 Talin wrote:
I would imagine the rest of TBLS/Fantasy make comparable amounts (if not as high), definitely same order of magnitude. It's definitely not a 20mil to 1mil kind of gap between Flash and everyone else.

On August 03 2012 08:36 whatevername wrote:
Its been well established that Huk etc are being paid "life changing money". Unless you imagine 25k is life changing, its a fair bet its at least 100k if not more. And yes, that is totally to be expected--- given sc2's fan base is larger than BW and the top earners in BW easily made that much. Not to say the majority of progamers make good money on salary [some do based on streaming ofc, catz once remarked he could make about 6k a month if he streamed a lot], most make a pittance.

On August 03 2012 08:25 Comogury wrote:

So they got paid for 2 or 3 months worth of play only after they had not been getting anything for the past 2 or 3 months. From what I understand, there wasn't any contractual obligation for management to pay their players, or any contractual obligation for the players to stay on the team. The fact that they weren't getting paid at all until it was made public means something was up, and that they probably weren't going to get the tens of millions of won that was "promised" to them. Now neither player is active in SC2 and they can't have gotten all that money because they were only on TSL for 3 months after it was announced that they even had a salary. Who knows? Maybe they would have gotten the money, but for some reason I really doubt it.

Unless someone who doles out the "close to 6 figures" comes out and says exactly how much said player is being paid, it will always remain a mystery. However, I feel as though people like to make it seem like being a well-known pro SC2 player makes the average household income in the US, which I believe is completely false. In reality, it may even be 1/3rd or maybe even a 1/4th of that amount for some of your favorite players. However, that is not factoring in prize money because obviously they make more if they win more.

On August 03 2012 09:01 Necro)Phagist( wrote:

Sc2 has a 'bigger fanbase' maybe. but besides a select few, big name sponsors haven't really signed on. The Kespa teams were directly funded by big name companies in Korea. Sc2 sponsors are not near that level YET.